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Eric's Sunday Sermon; The Need to Train the Mind the Mouth and the Spirit

Updated on October 14, 2016

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Let me be real blunt here. Many people do not take the time to develop their thinking skills. And a bad symptom of this is the inability to control one’s speech. If you do not believe me just think about folks who use cuss words routinely and frequently. Think of people who spend more time watching TV than reading. And if you are not too busy just hop on a social media site and you know what you will see.

There is some evidence that Alzheimer’s disease is not a predisposed sickness on its own. Some of it is effected by failure to exercise your mind and atrophy is at least a portion of the problem. (please do not take offense at that as I tried to indicate that it “may” be and that it is a small percentage) On the other hand I understand that like an addiction there is no medical cure. And prevention is the best chance. And that prevention comes from exercising the brain and spiritual sides of our self. Wow this was hard to put in a way where people understand that I am not assigning a guilt for the diseases.

I told you I was going to be blunt. But I hope this is not taken as trying to be brutal.

Here is a big problem. What I am speaking about is something that is a really sensitive matter to many people. Let me be clear here that I am not writing about what we may call an intelligence quotient. Except at the far and very clear extremes of such semi-reliable determinations. Nope, 90% of us do not get to lay the problem at a “born with” excuse here.

Let me add a little concept here. A coach is watching the track tryouts for runners. Two guys come in with one beating the other by a tiny margin. The loser had horrible form and wasted energy not going toward speed. The winner had excellent form, obvious excellent training. The coach can only pick one for the team. Which one does he pick? The smart coach picks the loser. Because with good coaching and training and practice and hard work he will clearly end up being faster than the man who has reached his full potential yet only beat the loser by a small margin. And so it would be with our mental acuity.

Hey let us take a break and listen to that great Rocky tune.

One of the most excellent experiences I ever had was in the wild in Asia. Yes I looked a tiger in the eye!

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What is your danger zone?

Let me be real blunt here. Many people do not take the time to develop their thinking skills. And a bad symptom of this is the inability to control one’s speech. If you do not believe me just think about folks who use cuss words routinely and frequently. Think of people who spend more time watching TV than reading. And if you are not too busy just hop on a social media site and you know what you will see.

There is some evidence that Alzheimer’s disease is not a predisposed sickness on its own. Some of it is effected by failure to exercise your mind and atrophy is at least a portion of the problem. (please do not take offense at that as I tried to indicate that it “may” be and that it is a small percentage) On the other hand I understand that like an addiction there is no medical cure. And prevention is the best chance. And that prevention comes from exercising the brain and spiritual sides of our self. Wow this was hard to put in a way where people understand that I am not assigning a guilt for the diseases.

I told you I was going to be blunt. But I hope this is not taken as trying to be brutal.

Here is a big problem. What I am speaking about is something that is a really sensitive matter to many people. Let me be clear here that I am not writing about what we may call an intelligence quotient. Except at the far and very clear extremes of such semi-reliable determinations. Nope, 90% of us do not get to lay the problem at a “born with” excuse here.

Let me add a little concept here. A coach is watching the track tryouts for runners. Two guys come in with one beating the other by a tiny margin. The loser had horrible form and wasted energy not going toward speed. The winner had excellent form, obvious excellent training. The coach can only pick one for the team. Which one does he pick? The smart coach picks the loser. Because with good coaching and training and practice and hard work he will clearly end up being faster than the man who has reached his full potential yet only beat the loser by a small margin. And so it would be with our mental acuity.

Hey let us take a break and listen to that great Rocky tune.

Cantankerousness and conclusions before investigation cause great obstacles toward peace and cooperation. When I was a professional skier I would get so frustrated with myself when I did not train hard enough. Oh do not get me wrong I worked at it ten hours a day 7 days a week. But too often I just went through the motions and relied on my natural physical ability. In case you did not notice but I never made it to the Olympics or major league racing circuits. Oh I made a living but not a good one. My point is that I was born with natural talent but so the heck was every other racer and the ones that worked that hardest and the smartest were the best.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the same goes for your brain. We have these funny terms that really are unpleasant. Stupid, dumb, ignorant, and mentally lazy. The actual original medical terms were idiot, moron and imbecile but that had more to do with those semi-reliable IQ tests, more nature than nurture. Just like you cannot call a fat person fat even if it is their lifestyle that causes the obesity you cannot call another ignorant without starting a fight, even though it is their choice to be ignorant. It is just “out of bounds” to call someone mentally lazy. Even if they are. So Joe and John are both mentally lazy. And they discuss politics. What are they going to resort to? Of course they are going to use insults, hate speech and probably a lot of cussing. Soon even mothers are insulted and history taken out of context. There is a gal I know that just hates me using the word Sermon for what I do here. Of course any quick Google search will show it is not limited to a verse in the Bible. But let me let you in on a secret. I used the word sermon for a reason. Sermon is a word that has negative connotations for folks who do not like to go to church and hear a sermon. I specifically did not want a popular word or SEO that would advertise but bring in non-thinkers. I do not want to preach to folks who do not want to exercise their minds. And guess what we here together have a larger “congregation” than the last 3 different churches I attended. Saying these are not sermons is contempt prior to investigation.

Hey let us take another break and listen to one of my favorite, what I call secular inspirational songs. I live next to Fighter Town” USA so we are not sensitive to those who do not respect those who serve.

I think I am just getting to understand those who are not adrenaline junkies. Maybe I am getting old.

You climb all 180 feet of this!

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Perhaps bad formatting here. Isn't that like having your coat and tie just right?

Oh boy we got to the preaching stuff here, I may have tricked some of you to coming to our church and now I have a captive audience ;-) Don’t worry we do not pass a plate here but we beg you to donate to a beggar.

About that “mouth” part of the title there is a great scripture that I just love. It really is cool. Check it out: “For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks”. Tell me that is not a great statement. (luke 6) Just a little aside, folk who give citation only for one verse really don’t “think” about the importance of context. Luke six is really cool about removing the plank from your own eye before criticizing the speck in your neighbor’s eye and love your enemies and a tree is known by its fruit. So I think if we combine the thought about the overflow of the heart and our learned competence with language most all angry conflict would be eradicated. That is if your heart is filled with love of course.

And all this said about the brain is three fold true for our spirit. I always love parts of performing arts where the guy is a real tough guy and works so hard that he has no time for ladies in his life. And then whamo he is love struck. There are then a series of scenes where he just fumbles and stumbles at the effort to express his feelings. And those feelings are love. Well my friends the same will happen to you if you fail to exercise your love. Do not even worry about the 20 or so types of love, the skill set is transferable from one to another.

Now notice when speaking of spiritual. We really just talked about Love and the need to exercise it or it atrophies. It is my humble opinion that that is why pets for people suffering from emotional/mental type issues must get an animal. Animals are easy to love. They are like the best preparation/practice for one who would isolate both spiritual and mentally. No matter what we must put effort into anything worth having and that includes thinking, speaking and love.

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I have a great friend -- he is an Englishman, which is OK. hihihihi!

He told me that I ended abruptly and so I take advice and guidance from friends so I will now wrap this up. Perhaps this author is a coward as my son said to me recently. We were talking of intellectual honesty and over cooking eggs and potatoes along with a wicked salsa he busted my chops. An intellectual coward is what he called me. I drew another cup of spring water and sat with my legs weak.

This thing I speak of is not just a 800k run, it is also a 100 meter dash and a marathon. I request you to suck it up and push yourself to the limit. Physical is easy but the rest requires hard work. May God Bless you to finish the race..

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      Norine Williams 12 months ago

      I love you Lawrence!

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      Eric Dierker 12 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Lawrence I am glad you bring up the distinction. Certainly in writing and trying to get to the underbelly of world, we must sometimes crawl in bed with those who live there. In the world of criminal law there is a term "the criminal milieu", it applies to cops who are in the trenches day to day all day. They actually become a part of that world. Testimony and reports must be viewed with that in mind. Quite interesting. With my children I had to be quite stern about slipping into other kid's issues. We are not better than them but we do not have to get in the gutter with them.

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      Lawrence Hebb 12 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Eric

      When I was a teenager, I had a mentor (didn't call them that then) who used to say, "anyone who swears and cusses obviously has an incomplete command of the English language!"

      When you're trying to write fiction, avoiding the odd 'cuss' is hard, but does its presence really 'make it real?'

      Good stuff to think on here.

      Lawrence

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you Ann,

      That is an interesting point of view about what we feed the mind. I will have to give that some thought.

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      Ann810 13 months ago from Sunny Cali

      Yes exercising the mind is a great practice, especially when decreasing times of watch TV. Our thoughts become our words and sometimes our actions. We must be careful what we feed into the mind.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      You are right in saying you both are "in the wilderness together!"

      Isaiah 5:20!

      "LONGSUFFERING?"

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      NW just what about this phrase do you not understand - since you wrote it:

      "I will not be posting on your HUBS any longer"?

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      Kiss andTales 13 months ago

      You have a good since of humor too lol!

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Oh we need not worry for if the Temple is sullied we can always pray together in the wilderness.

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      Kiss andTales 13 months ago

      Thanks Eric I appreciate how you handle things

      May Jehovah keep you close my friend.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      K&T I am sorry but I have to drop this here as we are dogged by those who would drive love from our hearts.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine stay away for you are clearly not a child of God by your word. You lie or as we say bear false witness. You are apostate and dangerous to Christians. If you cannot live by your word how can you possibly live by His. You lie personally you cannot speak truth for Him. With the only witness being your mouth you commit sin. Stay away.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Yes NW you are not welcome here. Let me quote something from your pen:

      "I will not be posting on your HUBS any longer"

      I do not imagine a woman of God with even exigent circumstances violating her word spoken of God in God's presence. This is solid God proof of your inability to live by promises made in God's name to another of His children and many others.

      Norine, you carry a mark of a liar and false witness to your intentions. That is some pretty evil stuff you have to work on. As a teenager I did it, as a husband or reborn child of Christ I have never done it. Get right with God and then come back.

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      Kiss andTales 13 months ago

      You have expressed that very good ! so now you see how people confuse Jesus with Jehovah. KJ replaced his initials YHWH with LORD. So people are thinking Jesus is Jehovah

      Notice this example .

      King James Version

      Ps 110:1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

      Did you see where Jehovah name or initial YHWH should be.

      This is apparen't in The book of Psalms but people will think LORD is Jesus.

      This is a terrible ! What KJ has done.

      ALL love and glory goes to Jehovah , Jesus taught us that he is like his father

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      That is so cool. A transfiguration by the name we keep in our hearts and our mouth. If we are not cognizant of such important matters then we have not read: Matthew 15:18. And we must be aware and wary of insult to our Lord.

      So sad KJ was so silly but influences so widely.

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      Kiss andTales 13 months ago

      Eric thank you for your beautiful complements but I must correct something vital .

      Even in King James what name did our Heavenly Father identify himself by ? most people say god but there are many gods. So in the old testement we will find our Heavenly Father's personal name.

      YHWH is his initials called the Tetragrammaton.

      It is found on my relics as the dead sea scrolls, clay cuniforms and relics in our most wonderful museums from around the world .

      New York also has a magnificent one worth your time.

      King James deleted the Tetragrammaton of YHWH of Jehovah’s name but he did leave it 4 times. Thats over 6,000.00 deletions.

      So here is where he left it .

      KING JAMES

      Isaiah 6:3

      Isaiah 12:2

      Isaiah 26:4

      Psalms 83:18

      He so many people do not know the Heavenly Father’s personal name.

      It is a blessing to know it and understand what it means.

      Jesus is Jehovah's first born Angelic son.

      Heavenly name is Micheal.

      He was given the earthly name Jesus meaning who is like Jehovah!

      Jesus is just like what we would say down on earth he is a Jr., a Prince, but now he is an anoited

      King apointed by Jehovah.

      Bothe are wonderful names but Jesus always glorified his Fathers name when he said.

      Joh 17:26 I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”

      How important Jehovah name is to Jesus and whats important to Jesus should be important to us.

      Notice this last thought.

      Re 14:1 Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

      Jesus is the lamb

      The Father is Jehovah

      These worshipers carry both names on their heads.

      So one is no good without the other

      Even in prayer.

      I did not want to mix you up but I hope you understand the importance of both names but Jehovah is the Universal Sovereign.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      NW I just could not let that last one be published in my space. Your inability to relate to mankind is no longer so annoying as it is pitiful. I talk with my eldest daughter about you. She worries of your clear insanity. She has offered help to have you looked into more. But I am starting to feel more for your infirmity than my safety. Did you ever consider that God is talking to you through me?

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dana, you just hit me with that at a time of communal revelation with my oldest son. We have been exchanging ideas about Shadrack and variations on the Fires and Faith meaning. My son is working on some poetry which often sets to music. I am working on sitting back and mellowing out on it. Good perception seldom comes by hard study alone. It must be mixed with delight in learning and a calmness of spirit. It may sound hokey but I just cannot express my joy of having you as a friend.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      K&T, I just think it very cool that you refer to our Lord Jesus Christ and Jehovah. I think that like a beautiful liturgy in a love bound church it sets the mood. And I like that mood - total respect and honor and Biblical. I think I shall study and learn when using this more respectful name is appropriate for me. It seems to me it is the name given Him by His Father.

      But your courtesy and great reverence is a very good thing and I shall begin to understand the connection with the name.

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      Dana Tate 13 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      Eric, the fact that you have your own trials and still take the time to spread positive messages in order to encourage others shows that you are truly blessed. You have an understanding of life and purpose that you rarely see in others. The character of a person shines brightly when they are tested by the fire and come out with a praise. When I read your Sermon's, what I see is a man of great strength. We have a saying " Be careful how you conduct yourself, because sometimes you are the only bible anyone would ever read. And I just want to say that if I never picked up a bible, I would still see the Lord by the way you love. You are in my prayers.

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      Kiss andTales 13 months ago

      Hey Eric you know Jehovah loved Paul too , and his ailment was by the hand of satan who was testing him just like Job by slapping him with sickness ! That is why Jehovah says my mercy is sufficient , well when we think about it Jehovah does alot for us then we can see , example , a meal , shelter, protection from certain dangers we are not aware of, keeping family safe , I think about this alot because of wicked days, plots from your enemies

      You are not aware of , and more.

      Many times I was protected in child birth , and still pray for my family safty .

      But whats so wonderful about you Eric is that you are versed in the scriptures you are in his space alot. I just think we all can widen that space more sometimes in small things are just all it takes, call on Jehovahs name my friend.

      I will share this with you that keep me going its about love. How he loves us personally and he shows his way .

      (Romans 8:39) this is a good reminder)

      this love reflects in Jesus love for us that he took on a cruel death.

      And now he has paid for a better future for you and me and our families thats love.

      So remember no Jehovah does not punish us in this way for sins.

      Example babies are born with things and they have done no deliberate sin.

      Its gentics that we are plagued with many times .

      I continue to send my love to you we can continue to drop a word or two here and there.

      I wanted to say you are so interesting .

      I too never seen my dad. I will tell you about that in a note one day.

      Love sent to you!

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thanks much K&T. I just love that story about Paul told by Paul. It has carried me many a day, and has kept me from repeating "what have I done wrong God?"

      Of course I have done wrong things -- but my thorns are not of punishment. This idea that no matter what we are loved just brings me to tears when I think of it hard and just feel it.

      You are a wonderful contribution to this life.

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      Kiss andTales 13 months ago

      Oh ! MY !Eric you are truly going through some trials of health , I would have never known it ,you

      Are so reserved and yet strong. I feel for you my friend and I will pray for you too!

      I will share this with you ,remember Apostle Paul had an element ,

      2Co 12:7 just because of receiving such extraordinary revelations. To keep me from becoming overly exalted, I was given a thorn in the flesh, an angel of Satan, to keep slapping me, so that I might not be overly exalted.

      Paul asked Jehovah to remove his thorn.

      What was Jehovah’s answer !

      2Co 12:9 But he said to me: “My undeserved kindness is sufficient for you, for my power is being made perfect in weakness.”

      We many times share the same situation like Paul

      But our time is sufficient and more important to use in glorifying our Heavenly Father.

      If we went through nothing then satan has won.

      Keep up your faith because if God created you he can create you again or return you,

      Keep your faith intact.

      That's my love to you !

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      NW isn't chemo a real pain. My regimen included Methotrexate which actually hurt going into my system. We are "wait and watch" on my current cancer. Sometimes it is hard to tell if God works directly for our cure, or if God calmly effectuates our cures through another of his children and family. A mystery in most cases of disease.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Listen Eric! This is not a "personal" vendetta! If Obama was doing the same things, I would "correct" him with WORD!

      GOD does not LIE! HE said in Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL the world for a witness unto ALL nations; and then shall the end come." Therefore you either get on board or remain in "your" way! That's what GOD is trying to tell you!

      Again, "Don't look at the messenger, but LISTEN to HIS WORD!"

      (Not "screaming" with CAP LOCKS; but rather placing emphasis!)

      I want you to remember what GOD SAID in Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16; that HE would "put HIS laws in our hearts and minds" AFTER HE ASCENDS under the New Covenant! HE "commanded us" to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for the HELP which HE Promised in John 14:26; 16:13! HE sent the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:2! HE "put HIS laws in our hearts and minds" (TODAY as well) via the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:2)! HE "chose" Paul to act "in HIS stead" (II Corinthians 5:20) as a "vessel" (Acts 9:15)!

      READ!

      STUDY all of those letters and visits Paul made to the churches in different locations in Scripture to "understand" the GRACE of GOD (Romans 1:16-17)!

      READ what Paul told the Galatians in Chapter 1:6-9 which applies to us "TODAY!"

      "STUDY" (II Timothy 2:15)!

      On my way to doctor to receive "preventive" chemo (Herceptin)! (Ha! I'm already healed but following instructions! "Put mud on eyes?") After return, tell me you've READ! Tell me you LOVE the LORD by "STUDYING" HIS WORD!

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine as you are the only one filled with the Holy Spirit I suppose we should all just stop thinking and just follow your "right" way. Did you know that prior to the turn of the last century the word sermon was not used in the Bible to describe Jesus teaching us? And did you know that where the modern Bibles us the phrase "think on....) the word meditation was used?

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Patricia it so awesome to hear from you. I am sure some of my prayers for you and family have been answered. You just "overflowed" some of your love with us and it does my heart good. We are wise to learn from each other. I just cannot for the life of me wrap my head around the idea that we are not to receive love in kindness from man. This notion that any thought of man's is bad has me flummoxed.

      Again it is great to hear from you and the Angels you send are received in gratefulness.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Linda that is a very nice comment. So we see that we must indeed train ourselves in so many ways. Yes part of that should be prayer, reading scripture and meditating. But there is so much more like -- cooking and eating healthy (like you teach us), creating (like Bill helps us to do) showing compassion (like our community does here) Please don't forget to exercise daily. We have to teach ourselves not to isolate but to share our love. I we must most assuredly teach ourselves patience when dealing with negative folks.

      God gives greatly so we must try to give greatly also.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      You know what? I didn't set the alarm on my cell phone to ring but it started ringing around 3AM and I ignored! It rang again and I ignored. It rang again and I reluctantly got up!

      I wonder why?

      GOD is IN CONTROL!

      Blessings

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Pst: FIRST we have to determine IF we have the 'love' of GOD! Did HE not say in John 14:15 "If you love me keep my commandments?" This is how one acquires the 'love' of GOD! John 14:23 says "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him and make our abode with him."

      Now do MOST do this? GOD is not talking "The Ten Commandments" but the "commandments" that HE currently places in "our hearts and minds" under the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) of GRACE and TRUTH!

      The New Covenant is in Scripture and we CURRENTLY live under it TODAY, but no one has been "taught!"

      So, do you really "LOVE" GOD? Do you really "keep HIS commandments?" If you don't; you CAN'T have the 'LOVE' of GOD because HE (Holy Spirit) doesn't "abode with you" (John 14:23)!

      Now this is what Eric should be teaching ALL! The New Covenant! The Promises HE'S given! The "GRACE" of GOD or "The Gospel of Christ" not how he's accomplished "climbing a mountain, raising wonderful kids, years in law, etc" BUT what GOD SAYS we MUST DO for Salvation!

      READ Galatians 1:6-9!

      Blessings

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Carb: I can't explain if "NO WORD" (Isaiah 8:20)! I am "correcting" with the WORD of GOD (II Timothy 3:16) not with what Norine thinks!

      We (as Disciples of Christ) have no right to give "our opinion" on anything when it comes to giving a "sermon" from the WORD of GOD or speaking from the WORD of GOD; PERIOD! Did not Scripture say in Matthew 18:20 "Where two are three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them?" Well, if HE'S there, we should "respect HIM" and speak according to HIS WORD which gives HIM the GLORY not what man wants to hear or what we've accomplished!

      After Jesus ascended into heaven Acts 1:2 says "Until the day in which he was taken up, AFTER THAT he (Jesus) through the Holy Spirit had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen."

      We can't appoint ourselves to "give sermons!" We can't learn through seminaries and traditions! My cousin has a cute saying "Some are called and some are sent, but some just got up and went!" What I'm trying to say is worldly "credentials" and "opinions" don't make one a "chosen" minister for Christ! GOD "chooses!" The Holy Spirit (aka GOD) "chooses!" When man "gets up and went" (lol) he gives "his" opinion rather than Jesus (aka Holy Spirit) speaking through the individual "giving commandments" (Acts 1:2)!

      Did you hear the last part of Acts 1:2? HE "gave commandment unto the apostles whom HE had "chosen!" Jesus Christ [operates] the SAME yesterday, today and forever" (Hebrews 13:9) and if HE "chose" back then, HE "chooses" TODAY!

      CAP LOCKS used for emphasis placed on words; not screaming!

      Blessings

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      Patricia Scott 13 months ago from sunny Florida

      It is interesting to me as I read some of the comments (which I usually do not until after I have written mine so as to not be influenced by what I may have read either consciously or unconsciously) that some who respond want us to 'think' or 'feel' how they do about your hub here.

      If I do not agree with what you say is not the point, for me. The point is that I find words to consider and reflect upon...perhaps to open my mind to some thought or idea I have not considered in a way such as you suggest.

      One comment I read was why do we need to feel good as Christians ? Why that is what God wants for us....not willy nilly feeling good, but filled with joy and love so abundant that it overflows....how can we NOT feel good when filled to overflowing with God's love?!! And I know that is off the topic of your writing here but I had to respond. My family and I are so blessed despite all that has come our way because God is everpresent...more on this another day.

      When I go to church each Sunday, Eric I hope to find either in communion directly with God or from some words spoken that day to hear and find words that will come along home with me...that maybe make me a little uncomfortable but cause me to think and perhaps to change my behavior. That is why I try to come read your writings when I come to HubPages (sorry it's been so long). Thank you for your candor and thoughtfully written passages. Know that many Angels are on the way ps

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      Linda Lum 13 months ago from Washington State, USA

      Norine – I have actually taken the time to go to your page and read some of your posts. The content of those hubs is pretty much the same format as what we see here, but at least one of your comments to others revealed a bit of yourself that you have not shown us here. You told a story of going into a fast-food establishment and interacting with a young man who was, let’s say, “having attitude”. Apparently he was about to be interviewed for a job at that place. You had an opportunity to speak with the manager, and told him that if he did not employ the young man, that youth would fall into despair, become more rebellious, and so on. It was a great story, showing your compassion (where others might not have been so caring) and how we have the potential to make a difference in the lives of others.

      At times I read Eric’s hubs, and then I read your comments, and I wonder to myself “what exactly does Norine want Eric to say that he did not say”?

      You start hurling passages from the Bible at him (and we who are watching all of this unfold). I am a Christian, I know my Bible, and honestly, you leave me puzzled at times. I can’t connect “A” to “B”.

      If you could (without venom and using the CAPS LOCK) explain in simple prose what you perceived in Eric’s message, and what you think he SHOULD have said (a clear and concise correction, not a ranting recitation of Bible verses)…you could and WOULD get so many more people to understand your message.

      I think perhaps your intent is “right”, but the way that you deliver it here is wrong.

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      John , SFO/SVDP 13 months ago

      Norine. I can tell now and with certainty that you are not only a Bigot full of your own importance but also without common sense that would at in a dmall way mitigate your own feeling of superiority. I now will not just make suggestions of help to you but tell you to go back to the book and also do it with some professional help. You are now trying my patience and believe me you are an extremely Self Righteous and ignorant person. I do believe that you may have some redeeming features but you will have to dig for them. You are now in an extreme way in breech of the law dealing with Harassment. So, please, for your sake learn to be what you are trying to tell others they are not. Christ preached a God of Joy And Love not one of condemnation and Terror. Learn. In case You Would be interested I am a member of a religious order that prays the bible each and every day. We are also out there in the trenches working with the downtrodden and disadvantaged.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine, I wonder what our Christian legacy would be if Christ related to people as you do. Just completely out of touch with man. If I recall correctly Christ was made man -- not as some fruit cake God on earth.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dana, sometimes I think about the blessing other's are to me. But mostly I just feel it. You are a blessing felt and known.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      But WORD from GOD doesn't?

      What kind of "Christians" are you guys? Why do you just want to "feel good" and not learn TRUTH? You could go get a glass of wine if you just want to "feel good" which would also bring (temporary) "joy to someones heart!"

      LORD HAVE MERCY!

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      Dana Tate 13 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      I agree with faith 100 percent- they should be known by their fruit. I just read the last comment you left referring to me Eric, and I just wanted to say thank you. I wish people would now a kind, genuine, word from someone could truly bring joy to someones heart.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Amen!

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Well NW He sure is testing me with you.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Eric, GOD "tests" our FAITH and MOST times the "tests" don't come in the fashion we desire!

      Again I say, "Don't look at the messenger, but at HIS WORD" to "See if these things are so" (Acts 17:11)!

      Don't be DECEIVED!

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, it is such a dichotomy. Those of us trying to do well do not need our love as much as those trying to do harm. Especially those that do harm thinking it is good. We just have to wake in the morning and meditate, pray and read. And then do our best to love each folk we touch. Normally that is an easy order to follow -- but some make it hard, perhaps that is why we do earth instead of heaven first.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Faith, and these things we should meditate on. Why not? I get it that some must concentrate and spend the heart on admonishment and gloom and doom. And I could. To what avail? We certainly, being intelligent souls choose. We can find any reference that is negative and run with it. Or we can find references that are good and pleasing and run with that.

      You clearly choose the good and so you are cool water in a desert.

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      John , SFO/SVDP 13 months ago

      You hit it right on the Noggin, Faith Reaper. We can but pray for folks like our NW. In this she may see the ERROR of her ways. It is hard to show Bigots where they are going wrong. Pray for Her, I believe, she needs them

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      Faith Reaper 13 months ago from southern USA

      Ah, yes, from out of the mouth, the heart speaks ...it is so true in hearing what comes out of our mouth to reveal our true heart.

      Dear Eric, I know many hubbers who monitor their incoming comments to not allow them to show up until they are are read and reviewed by the author of the hub. Just a suggestion to head off the surprise comments left in the middle of the night ...

      For they shall be known by their fruit ...

      I am reminded of the Fruit of the Spirit or the lack thereof when reading NW:

      Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness and Self Control ...

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      John , SFO/SVDP 13 months ago

      Norine, no I am not suffering from DID. Just a simple Man who hates all kinds of Injustice no matter who's name it is practiced under to justify our actions.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      This was a great on point back and forth. NW it really was only great because of what John had to say. You cannot possibly be considered sane, therefor a risk to us all.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Are you suffering from DID?

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      John , SFO/SVDP 13 months ago

      Norine, your last comment hit it on the right mark, and I would say does describe you. Ignorance also loves to show the world how brilliant they are but this does NOT demonstrate Wisdom. Your knowledge is lacking in one thing and that is the main one. IT IS DISCERNMENT. This we must strive for.

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      John , SFO/SVDP 13 months ago

      Norine, Further to my comment. The Scribes and Pharisees were of your ilk and Jesus did not condemn them he tried to make them see the error of their ways.. To Jesus all were accepted and loved not despised and derided.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Eric, all you do is talk “in the flesh” and threaten “in the flesh” which I have no interest. If you think I’m a danger, let’s not “keep this dialogue open” for Scripture says “And whosoever shall not receive you (or your 90 year old aunt), nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.”

      Now get back to your “fleshly” threats and “gossiping” which the LORD does approve of! (You think?)

      IGNORANCE loves to get those "itching ears" scratched (II Timothy 4:4)!

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Let me see here. NW is not Christ but the second coming of Paul. Wow! Guess what but I am only Eric but I reach thousands. I got no clue why, I just love doing this thing I do and apparently He loves me doing it too. Where are Norines people? Well there are none. Go figure.

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      John , SFO/SVDP 13 months ago

      Just what do you think the letters SFO/SVDP stand for. When you ask that Question I will return it to you in the same manner. I think you are good at quoting pieces of it but when it comes to knowing it; I doubt that you do. This is why I am suggesting that you go to a good school and learn what the bible really teaches. Because what you are doing, Norine, is no where near that aim. So as I suggested to you before BUTT out and grow in the Jesus you Spout but do NOT really do as he taught. Dealing with Bigots is the hardest Psychosis to deal with and I hope that you are not ONE, God Bless. John

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hi NW I hope you are doing well and only infecting those who wish to be infected. How different this world is for me, than the one you live in. My daughter in Washington just got hacked by Russian dudes. They are throwing massive amounts of money to protect against further hacks. I just mentioned to her about domestic "Christian" terrorism. I now have been briefed that it is a real problem with those who think they are acting on behalf of God. There are no boundaries for you folk and you are dangerous. Let us keep the dialogue open so we may learn more about your fanaticism. Please give us more of the people like your niece who propound your beliefs of death to the infidel.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, I have chosen here to engage NW. Perhaps wrong but perhaps noteworthy for those who think and know Christ. If I intentionally avert her attention here do I do my neighbor a favor? I would hope so and I would hope that those of us like you feel free to engage. You are appreciated by me.

      There were these two dudes walking behind Jesus and they got in a pissing match about who would sit where at the table of the Lord. I love those guys we now call Apostles. They are like me our silly doubting Thomas. Well how human is that?

      NW is trying to buy a place at the table. And in time she may earn it. For now she is self righteous but I think time will heal her wounded soul. After all it healed Peter's after violation and repeated denials.

      I am a lawyer by trade and started work on the internet before email. We pretty much are monitoring her as a religious fanatic. They are not limited to Muslims you know. We consider that she may be dangerous but we believe the best route is to let her vent. Time will tell if we are right. But we have taken extra precautions for my family as fanatics are not to be taken lightly.

      Who knows God's plans? but apparently NW is part of His for me.

      Again thank you for your contribution, you led me to think more deeply and that is a gift.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Do you know Bible?

      Does GOD accept any and all who are against HIS WORD (Matthew 16:23)?

      Did HE accept the Scribes and Pharisees (Matthew 23)?

      Did HE accept those who are unbelievers of HIS WORD (Hebrews 3:18)?

      How did David respond to those who "hate" GOD by not "obeying" HIS WORD (Psalm 139:21)?

      Do you know the Bible?

      What do you think "build up the weak" means? Tell them "It's OK to be wrong; I'll see you in heaven?" Would you tell your child, "It's OK to touch the fire; you'll find out?" What kind of FOOL are you? Either you don't know the WORD of GOD or just another IGNORANT "proclaimed" Christian allowing "souls" to go to HELL!

      Take "legal action!" I'll see you in court! If Eric asks, I'll respond (I Peter 3:15)!

      Eric is NOT doing anything "in accordance with the teachings of Jesus" or HE would be teaching what Jesus died for "GRACE!"

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      John , SFO/SVDP 13 months ago

      To Norine I suggest That yo take a hike into Nature and stop your Evil harassment of Eric. I think that before you Misquote or use scripture in or for your own agrandisement you should at least take some lessons from a knowledgeable school and make sure that the school is not set up to give a wrong support to what you believe is your calling. Jesus has never called anyone to decry or try to degrade any one. The scriptures main focus is to build up the weak, the downtrodden, and the misfits of society. We are called to bring joy to the largely ignored and the outcasts of our communities ,and I emphasize this very strongly, to degrade or to build up our own inflated egos. If you cannot accept this and do what you need to do and Butt out of this picture and possibly to take some action to correct where you have gone wrong. legal action is the only option left. I could debate with you in great depth on scripture but when dealing with a bigot or group of bigots it is a waste of time and effort. I can assure you that should you not change your behavior then there is no other option. I find your continued Harassment of Eric to be of a very annoying and difficult Affair. Wise up before it is too late. Eric is doing what you are trying to undo; He is bringing acceptance to the lives of differing Peoples. He is also doing it in accordance with the very teachings of Jesus.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Eric, I don't appease man by "sugar coating" the WORD of GOD! If you don't want TRUTH (aka WORD), we have nothing to discuss! Hebrews 4:12 says of WORD when IT'S working, "For the word of God is quick and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of the soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

      What can I do about that? When IT "cuts," IT IS WORKING!

      I know you've been taught "presentation" (as an attorney), but I've not received man's "formal education" in "presentation!" All I know to do is give the WORD of GOD which is TRUTH!

      I guess Paul was perceived that way too because he wrote in II Corinthians 11:3-6 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. (v4) For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which we have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear him. (v5) For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. (v6) But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been thoroughly made manifest among you in all things."

      You see? When one doesn't come to another with TRUTH but tries to be subtle, kind, and deceiving, those people, MOST will accept! But when one comes with TRUTH they (Satan; aka 'the mind') will find ANYTHING to disregard!

      I called my niece, read to her and asked her did she find anything obnoxious to which she responded "When people are being told TRUTH and it offends their belief, expect actions such as his!" GOD KNOWS I don't want to hurt anyone but if you continue to look at the "jack ass" (Numbers 22:28) or the "presentation" and not at the WORD given, Satan has won for he finds "any" little "crack" to make one "think" they should disregard!

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine it is wonderful to stare and listen to the word of God. But then you take it and make it hate under your wonderful citations of scripture. If you are so blind that you cannot see that your words hurt others and do not love them as you should love yourself. You have been blinded by looking into the face of God and there is no hope for you to find your way on earth.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      I re-read and all I say was one giving WORD (the majority), showing one we should "grow in spirit" and be "With One Accord!" What are you talking about?

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Let me be real blunt: do you not see how compulsive you are. Hell that last comment was longer than the hub.

      You just do not seem to get the flip side of your correctional love. Yes all that telling people how to believe is a part of evangelical work. But honey you got no balance. There is also a sweet giving and accepting part of life. Maybe God only speaks to you to condemn others. I have not seen it in my conscious life. But hey, all is possible.

      Look up the word repugnant, last I saw Wiki had your picture to describe it.

      You are obnoxious. If God tells you to be that way - who am I to argue. But in general you are not welcome to be obnoxious on commenting on works of mine. I have been Sunday School teacher, Preacher, Lay Eucharistic Minister and Catechism instructor and have brought some to Christ. I just have never seen such negativity rather than celebration of God in my life such as you. I do not listen to some music because it is a downer. I really do not want to hear from Christ from you because you are such a downer.

      A few times I have heard folk say that the Gospel is the good news. But you are the only person I know that has proclaimed it the bad news.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      I have always said on HP "Whatever nationality you are, that's how you perceive GOD in the flesh," but we're talking SPIRIT which has no appearance! Now, if you want to say our faith is on different levels, WORD agrees with you (Romans 10:17)! There are "levels of faith" from (putting IT "carnally") kindergarten to PHD yet we continue to "press" (READ Philippians 3)!

      WORD says "we GROW" ("change from glory to glory;" READ II Corinthians 3:18) and do not remain "complacent!" There comes a time in one's life that they MUST move from kindergarten and begin their "Spiritual" Growth! Now, how do we do this? We have to "STUDY" to show thyself approved unto GOD" not man (II Timothy 2:15)! Didn't HE say "If you LOVE me keep my commandments" (John 14:15)? How can we do this IF we don't know what the "commands" are? How can a policeman enforce the law if he doesn't know what the laws are? How can an attorney win a case if he doesn't know the law and have studied precedent cases?

      After we "STUDY" we BELIEVE and have FAITH in what HE has said! "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD" (Romans 10:17)! But did you notice the preceding verses and remember Philip and the Ethiopian in Acts 8:26-40? "An angel of the Lord said to Philip, Go to Gaza and he went and found a man of Ethiopia who had come to Jerusalem to worship and was sitting in his chariot reading the Prophet Isaiah when The Spirit said unto Philip, Go near and join him. And Philip obeyed and asked the Ethiopian "Do you understand what you're reading? And the Ethiopian replied, "How can I unless some "man" guide me?" You see? GOD uses people or place them in our lives to "guide" us when HE WILLS!

      But the preceding verses in Romans 10 says (vs 13-21) "For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." This doesn't mean to just verbally say HIS name, but to "seek" HIM with a "pure heart" for GOD is a "heart" GOD! (v14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?" This doesn't mean you believe there is a GOD, but to BELIEVE on HIS WORD which has been "rightly divided" (II Timothy 2:15) to bring us into the "current" dispensation of "GRACE and TRUTH" which is the "Gospel of Christ!" (v14 cont'd) "And how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?" Remember Philip and the Ethiopian? (v15) "And how shall they preach, except they be sent?..."

      You see Eric, you ("carnal man") may see me as the devil would have you see me (which is his job; John 10:10) but I tell you, GOD is calling you! Verse 21 of Romans 10 says "But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hand to a disobedient and gainsaying people." Verse 16 says "But they have not obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?"

      How many times have you read Scriptures in which they said "And they were with ONE ACCORD?" Go through the book of Acts alone and see how many times IT IS WRITTEN!

      Did you see how many Scriptures I listed CHRIST HAS ONE MIND in my HUB "Christians Grumbling Arguing and Judging?" How then can we all have "a personal relationship" with HIM but all "interpret" something different? Someone doesn't have "THE MIND OF CHRIST!" Do I not give WORD for everything I've stated? Is WORD not GOD? IF the WORD "IS" GOD," and I "parrot" WORD, is IT not the "MIND OF CHRIST?" Why then would you say "I shove *my* vision down other's throats...?" I'm "trying" to show ALL, these "personal relationships" they have with GOD are not according to HIS WORD!

      *MY* vision is from the WORD of GOD and is the SAME vision we ALL should have! Not Norine's vision but what IS WRITTEN in HIS WORD which is GOD'S Vision! If any "vision" differs from the WORD of GOD, I will "correct" with HIS WORD (II Timothy 3:16)! That's what a TRUE DISCIPLE OF CHRIST "should do!"

      Consequently, if other's "personal relationships" differs from HIS WORD something is WRONG because GOD has ONE MIND and we should ALL be "WITH ONE ACCORD" with the "SAME MIND and in the SAME JUDGMENT" (I Corinthians 1:10)!

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine let me tell you a little story. My father was a wonderful man. Brilliant in increasing the lives of children from the Ivory Coast to our Native reservations. He held both an MD and a Phd and was board certified in surgery and family medicine and Public Health. He was raised a Jesuit and at a time he wanted to become a priest or monk there. He was denied. In Jesuit tradition he was told to got out and help people in a vocation.

      One day I came home from Sunday School where we children were tasked to draw a picture of God. I showed to my father and asked him if this is what God looks like. He gently asked me a question in return. "Did any of the children's pictures look the same"? Of course I answered that they all looked different. And he told me that there was my answer.

      Trying to shove your vision down other's throats is to deny our individual connections with the Almighty. Your vision should be stated as your vision and not the vision I should have.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      I hate you don't travel there much for she would be happy to talk to you! She's in her 90's but has the mind of a 40 year old; thanks be to GOD! You would love the "soul food" she serves! Celebrities from all over the world have pictures hanging in her restaurant! You would thoroughly enjoy it! Her son runs it full time now but if you ever decide to go, call first and I'm sure she'll be glad to meet you!

      Paul was not "Christ" either but had a "DIRECT COMMUNICATION LINE" with HIM (Galatians 1:12)! As "The WORD "IS" GOD" It is Jesus speaking when giving WORD! HE just uses me to place on one's heart what HE wishes for them to hear!

      If the WORD of GOD I give "condemns," It's not *me* for I'm only a "mouthpiece" for HIM!

      I just asked my husband this morning "I wonder which is smaller, a mustard seek or an ant?" For that's the way I see myself in comparison to GOD - NOTHING!

      Listen Eric, I have no ulterior motives, I have no other desire but to do as HE has commanded me, "Preach the Gospel of Christ" (Matthew 24:14) and HE "guides me" to those HE wishes to hear!

      If "condemnation," IT (WORD) IS WORKING, not *me!*

      READ Hebrews 12:6-11 AGAIN!

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I travel to Arizona much for it is my birth home. But I do not travel there to cities. Grand Canyon and Oak Creek Canyon are where I spend my time. Norine, when will you understand that while Christ may speak to you that you are not Christ. You cannot be given the right to condemn others.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Satan WANTS YOU to perceive as "manic!" When I give WORD "correcting" of course "flesh" will see as hurtful, threatening, a need to be right, crazy, manic, etc, that's his job (John 10:10) to enter one's mind to see "right as wrong and wrong as right" (Isaiah 5:20)!

      Don't be DECEIVED! If it's in HIS WORD, "Study," and ask GOD to "guide you" not what you've been "taught," not what you feel, but ask for "Spiritual" intervention (James 1:5)!

      How far are you from Phoenix, Arizona? I would like for you to go visit my aunt who owns a cafe there. It's called "The Golden Rule!" She'd be happy to talk to you!

      I pray!

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine, I do not find a connection with God crazy. But you are. Assuming God speaks to you, it is your obligation to get the word out in a way that is not totally obnoxious and drives people from Christ. You have to transfer your insight and spiritual connection in a way that is not threatening or compulsive.

      It is so easy to quote scripture that any fool can do it. It is not impressive at all. You need to find your heart not your carnal need to be right. I think you are making progress in this area, but every time I think that you go all crazy again. Listen means to slow down not to act manic.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Eric, I've ALWAYS "tried" to tell you, it is not *me* talking to you BUT GOD through HIS WORD! HE tells me what to tell you! I know it sounds "crazy," (if you look from a "carnal" point of view), but GOD is the SAME "yesterday, today and forever" (Hebrews 13:8)! If HE did it "back then," HE WILL do it "TODAY!"

      READ Acts 1:2 AGAIN!

      Blessings

      Eric, READ my Question "What was Jesus' Last Will and Testament?"

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine if you would comment like this you would always be welcome on my hubs.

      You raise a very interesting theological point. This idea that we should stop being a person walking the earth and become heavenly on earth is notable.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      Eric, I wish you would stop being a "man" and "Walk in the Spirit" (Galatians 5:16) for GOD is "trying" to talk to your "spirit!"

      LISTEN!

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dana, you may just think of me as another writer that you support. But I think of you as friend and inspiration. I have some serious issues, health issues including cancer, which may be the least of my issues. You often give insight that helps me not cry for myself but others. Passion. compassion and love are wonderful qualities - you are blessed with all. I do not pray for you, I pray you may touch others as you have me.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      How to deal in a loving way with folks who have no empathy? At some point we might worry that we become enablers if not careful. On the flip side just how many times should we turn our cheek?

      But in this case she harms others, so there is a balancing act that I probably only get right about 50% of the time.

      Thank you Dana

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      Dana Tate 13 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      When I run across people who are in my opinion bullies, no matter how I try to be the bigger person and ignore it I find myself advocating. I guess its why I was called to ministry because my compassion for people has no bounds. I cannot understand the cruelty that I discern in people's heart it is a blessing and a curse because it grieves my spirit. Especially, when the person being attacked is innocent and good, which, I can see that you are. Anyway my friend, I enjoyed the Sermon as always. God bless.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      It took him a bit with Gentiles and circumcism but he on something he had a hard time on -- He did keep his heart open and not condemning. One of my favorite areas when I preached was the concept that even the 12 disciples had doubts and insecurities. And Jesus was compassionate with them not harsh and cruel. Even "get behind me satan" and the turning of tables did not bring him did not bring compulsion or repetitious haranging.

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      Dana Tate 13 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      I think being blunt is the only way to be. When you are dealing with people who are stubborn or, have bad listening skills you can't sugar coat anything. I agree, that not exercising your thinking skills can cost you in the long run. I know many people who play memory games and puzzles just to keep their memory sharp.

      I would like to add that there is a difference between being blunt and blurting out whatever is on your heart. Only children or adults who have little to no spiritual growth say whatever they want to say without taking someone else's feelings into consideration.

      I have a cousin who my whole family thinks has mental issues because he exhibits bad behavior in order to get attention. I don't see a child with mental issues but a little boy who is extremely needy.

      I have a very good friend who happens to be one of the best women I know. She's so good she's almost too good; this woman does any and everything to receive praise and if you didn't see it she will make sure you find out about it. To say she is a braggart would be putting it mildly.

      One day we were discussing our childhoods and she confided that she was the second oldest of eight kids. Her family was so poor and her mom and dad literally worked themselves to the bone to provide for their family. My friend felt lost in a crowd and as a result of that learned how to find ways to stand out in a crowd.

      Unfortunately needy kids turn into needy adults and they can be rude, disrespectful and undaunted when they are achieving the results they set out to achieve in the first place which is, to be noticed.

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      Faith-Hope=Love 13 months ago

      This was well said, Eric. Peter, gave in to fear in the second instance and into impulse in the first. What he did not surrender to was a psychotic and perverse compulsion to impress and impose his views on those people he decided were condemned. He, though weak in spirit at those times, STILL kept his eyes on Jesus. My loyalties and support are with you. John

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      NW let us walk through this a little bit. You promised not to post on my hubs, after I asked you nicely and then firmly. Now your problem is understandable. A good disciple of Christ we call Peter had your problem. He knew full well not to cut off that guy's ear, he knew it was against Christ's wishes but he did it anyway. Then through the night after being told of this and promising not to do it he denied knowing Christ on more than one occasion. Well he knew that was not right also but could not control himself for whatever reason.

      Now I do not want you to cut off my ear (figuratively or really) but you seem to lack control. You give your word on something and then break it, knowing full well that it is wrong. See even if you are the rock that the church shall be built upon and Jesus speaks directly to you, it does not mean that your compulsion will not win out.

      That scares me and my family.

      I am sure you know that most terrorists have an extreme religious bent. That makes you even more scary. I think you know what is right. Scaring people is wrong.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Linda that is a very nice comment. Sometimes knowing things of such nature is difficult, it is great to have a nice reminder like yours.

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      Linda Lum 13 months ago from Washington State, USA

      Norine - I am going to step into the fray knowing that it will not doubt result in a torrent of fire and brimstone hurled in my direction. Nevertheless, I am going to put on my big girl boots and dive in.

      I believe that your intentions are sincere and that you firmly believe that what you are doing is not only right and good, but that you must do it--it is a calling from God.

      However, the Bible tells us “When He has come, He will convince the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.” (John 16:8).

      This verse is talking about the work of the Holy Spirit. It is HE who works in the hearts of man. We can try to produce in someone a sense of guilt and wrongdoing (that seems to be your life-long goal). But only the Holy Spirit can effectively produce a guilt that will bring a person to their senses.

      If you have planted the seed of faith in anyone by the things you have written, you need to step out of the way and allow the Holy Spirit to work. Sometimes we get in the way of someone's conversion. We get impatient, or we try to assist the Spirit. We can be telling someone about the Lord, and as they become interested and start asking questions, we start trying to convert that person in our own strength. We try to complete the transaction while the Spirit is still working.

      The best thing we can do after we have shared the Word of God with someone is to simply pray that it takes root. We should just do our part and leave it in the hands of God. We don't need to force the issue. He will do the convincing. Let God's Spirit do His work.

      Norine I say this not to be mean, but as a kindness—you are getting in the way of what (I believe) you hope to accomplish, and in doing so you are pushing people away from God and I believe you are doing yourself harm.

      For the good of all of us (yourself included), you should unsubscribe from Eric. If you do not see his posts you will not be tempted to comment.

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      WHAT?

      I preach "Spiritual" salvation via the "GRACE"of GOD (Ephesians 2:8-9)! I can't relate to what you're talking about! Why do you CONTINUE to make this a "carnal" issue (Galatians 5:16)?

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      NW, that is an issue because; what else will you be drawn to do?

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      Norine Williams 13 months ago

      I keep "trying" honestly I do but Something draws me!

      Please READ my HUB "Christians Grumbling Arguing and Judging!"

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      NW you wrote me an email saying you would not longer post on my hubs. Please keep your word.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Clive you really make a great point. Just because we spend time learning to think does not mean we will think "correctly.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dora, there are drawbacks. My poor wife. She loves the term "head in the clouds". And they have another I just can't remember in her native tongue. But it is extremely rewarding when adult children thank me for it.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, I just fell in love with Socratic dialogue when in undergraduate. Sometimes I worry I lean a little too far into, an almost riddle mode. But in fact in most of my sermons I do not have the answers.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, one of the most interesting things about NW is that she sets herself up as a bit off on purpose. Some kind of notion that if she acts all nutty she is more Christ like. And if someone mentions it then they must be some kind of Anti-Christ. But the current problem stems from claiming that God condemns us to death and she is the messenger - ergo!!! There is a problem.

      Hope you are doing well, as I write from DC with my eldest.

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      Mel Carriere 13 months ago from San Diego California

      Your sermons work wonders for my Alzheimers of the soul. They may not reverse the disease but they slow the atrophy.

      I didn't know you were a pro skier too. You should write your bio sometime. That must have been you I saw kicking up powder on Mt. Miguel last winter. Great preaching.

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      John Ward 13 months ago from Richmond, British Columbia, Canada.

      Eric I was appalled when reading through the comments that some person was threatening you. Going by NW. People of this ilk are definitely in need of a lot of help. I have no idea what they said in their comment. When someone sets themselves up as the word of God then we have a just right to be concerned. They definitely have a Psychotic Bent. And Bent is the word. I pray some sense prevails.

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      Clive Williams 13 months ago from Nibiru

      eric, sometimes is not that they have no proper thought process. Some people just don't care about other people feelings and will say and do anything to hurt them.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Linda it is always great to hear from you. I think that doing creative stuff is not emphasized enough. That activity seems to let the mind really work.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you Whonu, I am very blessed.

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      Eric Dierker 13 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Bill, I sure hope I am also a work in progress. At least I have hope.

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      Dora Weithers 13 months ago from The Caribbean

      Eric, I agree that it takes time to think--more time than we want to allow ourselves, because we are always so busy sometimes with things less important than developing our thinking ability. Your illustration with the coach and runners is well-taken. Good message!

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      manatita44 13 months ago from london

      Yes. The password need to be changed. Computer is great, yes, but with added briefs.

      Sorry Eric. Just trying to help. Much Love.

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      John Hansen 13 months ago from Queensland Australia

      Yes, Manatita. I do know the guy and this was strangely out if character. Also he is a good writer and the grammar in the email is not good. I have asked a question only he would know and they replied they are too stressed to answer so many questions. I have just contacted the particular Hubber via one of his hubs to Inform him his email account may have been hacked.

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      John Ward 13 months ago from Richmond, British Columbia, Canada.

      Eric by ending as you do, There is a benefit to others. The benefit is this, that it causes the reader to use more effort to follow on with your theme and so each expands the lesson in his/her own tune. The sermons are well written and presented and so do produce an effort from the Reader. Very Engaging.

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      manatita44 13 months ago from london

      To Jodah.

      Some of us have been scammed in life and using a friends email and detail is a fairly common one. Be careful! Do you know this person? Does this sound uncharacteristic of him?

      Nice ending Eric. But yes, summary but no summary. Is that Zen?

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      Linda Lum 13 months ago from Washington State, USA

      Eric, the thought of Alzheimer's scares me to the core. My mother died from that horrible disease, and every time I lose my cellphone that little doubt about my own intellect starts to creep in. Use it or lose it? My family laughs at my obsession with doing the daily crossword in ink. I draw, I design, I make up stuff in the kitchen (gasp!, bet you didn't know that). We need to exercise all of those abilities that we have been given, or they will rust with age. I agree with you 100 percent.

      Those who resort to using foul language are showing their ignorance. It's just plain laziness.

      Not all of us can have an IQ of 160--my older daughter is developmentally delayed, but she has a wisdom of the heart and soul that I admire and aspire to. I hope some day to be as wise as is she.