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Eric's Sunday Sermon; The Polarization of People

Updated on October 8, 2016

Even the sun and the clouds work in concert.

Some see a face, others do not. Insisting one way of the other is folly.
Some see a face, others do not. Insisting one way of the other is folly. | Source

A simple issue that is not simple at all if we cannot meet in the middle.

It would be quite ironic to give a sermon condemning those who polarize people by asserting their position in a manner not considerate of another’s position. But as a preacher man I really want to do that. One of those “I hate hate” deals. So we call on the strength of love to allow us not to act in a way that would cause more polarization. Not easy to do when one calls you a pighead if you disagree with them in politics or religion or social justice.

Let us just cut right to the chase here. Social media, mass media and gross bias are causing a hurtful division within our societal structure. Let us just take an easy one. The beggar man on the medium as you pull up to a light. Does cash come out of your pocket? Do you roll down your window and yell at her to get a job? Or do you give them some food or water to ease their empty gut?

The answers are not so easy. I handed out a fully wrapped still warm hamburger after just buying it to give to the guy begging. He rejected it quickly as he could smell the pickles on it. “Man I hate pickles”. I gave one guy a fiver, and told him I did not care if he bought some booze with it. He hollered back that he don’t drink no booze – but that he would get a fix. Another time my daughter collected money from 4 of us in the car. She gave it to the beggar. She responded “bless you, I promise I will share it”. One time my young son and I bought some good shape, clean blankets and went to where homeless hang out that is reasonably safe. One dude took one in a rather gruff and rather nasty comment about us jerk do gooders. And then he directly went to another homeless and wrapped her in it.

One time in another life I worked as an advocate for a homeless shelter. Ultimately the city fathers shut it down so as not to divert money from a more influential Catholic shelter. There was once a man who basically lived under a bridge with a tent. The White river that ran by, was where he fished, and swapped fish for vegetables and brought them to a Methodist church as a contribution as they fed him a more balanced diet of stew and bread. He had a job. But rather than rent a room, he felt a need to send the money back west to support his children. During the winter it was awful cold. But he made due.

Provide money and shelter to these folks? Provide them with warm nutritious food but they got to listen to a sermon? Have provided housing for Vets?

After this song let us talk polarization in the above matters.

A view worth considering before judging.

He did not make judgments at first. He just saw wonderment in all.

Easy does it.
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If it is OK with you I think we have done great picking to candidates.

There is a wonderful instruction to juries before they go into deliberate – but first please notice that the term is deliberate. And know the word has to do with exercising discernment and judgment in a neutral way. There is a saying “Judgment before investigation is a fool’s errand”. Now that instruction has different versions but generally goes like this: “It is rarely helpful for a juror to adamantly state their opinion before deliberations as a group”. Now that takes us to politics. Contentious as a corner momma she bear protecting her young.

Sorry to disappoint but this is not about politics, this is about polarization. I have this adult son. He has made some mistakes in his life. He has done some wrong things. (nothing like me ;-) But he is a very very good man, son, brother and friend not to mention quite accomplished in his various professions. I would and actually have trusted him with my life. Sometimes hiking in the Grand Canyon like we like to do requires a saving or two. His mistakes do not define him. His good works do. There is a striving in him that is what I look for in a good person.

Check out this extremely unpopular opinion from me. I believe that persons that raise themselves up to the pinnacle of being a serious US presidential candidate are really really awesome people. Oh do not worry I keep up with the trash talking and the scandalous behavior. I also like to kind of study their positions on issues. Well I actually like to do that quite a bit. Perhaps by election time I will decide which candidate aligns with my values closer than the other. The biggest challenge to deciding is trying to figure out what they can really do, in charge of the vast governmental, industrial complex, military complex and entrenched legislatures.

So let us listen to a protest song before going further.

Now I did not put this in to bring you down. I want us to remember that we citizens stood up and changed something for the better - I know, I was here participa

Vietnam is not a war -- it is a wonderful country

I think the future may be brighter than we think.
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We do not get to get rid of the world. This is a precious balancing act better if we do it together.

There was a time when this preacher man worked in a less than developed country. He maneuvered around what we call physical commodities. The ones he worked on were what we would call strategic commodities. They sound innocuous – Aluminum, Diesel #2 and a fertilizer called Urea. And they can be used for very good purposes. From hospital machines to energy cleaner than coal and helping grow plants for food. But the problem is that they can also be used to build bombs, fighter jets and fuel to supply warships. You see you can rush to judgment and decide if I did good or bad by getting these things to a hostile (at the time) communist country. Oh for sure some of it provided heat and fuel for cooking. Some provided food so some would not starve and some provided shovels and plows and safer food storage.

Should you and I be polarized by the negotiations I made? Should you condemn me? Move quickly on to police on the beat. Move faster to the medical provider situation. And move even faster into immigration and ISIS. Is it best that we shout out our position and hate the opposition to our view?

Do not worry – we are not done but how about a peace song first.

First things first -- lighten up!

We are really doing great - please take the time to see it.

Religion and politics? Really must we shout and fight? Is her way so much better than my daughter’s. Is that father so much better than that father. Is it my role to crusade or my role to render aid? Can I hate you because we differ? Shall I stand on a box and condemn those who see life different than I? There was a great war, meaning very destructive. In this war it was very clear that it was brother against brother and even father against son. I am so sorry to say in that case it was something that had to be done. I get the idea of freeing the slaves of America (other issues aside). We get that polarization.

But is there today an issue or issues that should make sister hate brother and mother hate son? We must stop the two way hate speech. If we can stop the polarization then those who can truly move mountains with love will lead us all onto a peace train.

Today it is not your responsibility to do better, it is your privilege, please take me with you!

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      Ann Carr 9 months ago from SW England

      I like the way you put forward an argument which leads us to search our inner thoughts and feelings.

      Incredibly there are families here in Britain who have seriously fallen out due to voting different ways in the Brexit poll. I was astounded. I mean, really fallen out for ever, splitting families in two, not one tolerating the other. Can we not discuss, deliberate and choose the path we feel is right? Apparently not. I find that unbelievable. If we are taught understanding and compassion, then if we practise it, surely we can live together in harmony, even if we cannot always agree! Other people's views and thoughts are interesting. They challenge us, yes. They might disgust us. But it doesn't necessarily mean the person is evil. Other people's view of us is probably way different from our own - we should consider that too.

      Good to read more of your sermons; I need to catch up!

      Ann

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      whonunuwho 9 months ago from United States

      Eric I have observed factions in this country who deliberately try to cause racial unrest. Why are they doing this. This seems to be on both sides of the candidates who are attempting to be elected to the highest position in this country. Name calling, unfair tactics, deliberate lies, are running rampant. I have not witnessed this in past elections and it is scary. I fear that we the people will be losers in the end. I have decided to stay out of the voting and say my prayers. We may lose either way this time. Thank you for your inspirational sermon, my friend.whonu

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ann, sometimes I feel like there is something wrong with me that I do not feel so strongly about something that loving relationships be damned. Do not worry those thoughts only last for seconds but they are there nagging at me. Somewhere along the line, the lines dissipated. I got a clear calling. Mine was no longer to win. Mine is only to love. Oh I fail but the goal and purpose do not change because I may fail.

      I do not suggest this is an excuse to be intellectually or spiritually lazy. Quite the opposite. One must know another in order to have compassion toward them.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Whonu, thank you so much for coming by. "racial tensions and divides". I must be a boo boo head because I can see it but not really grasp it. I think I get hate, even multi-generational hate. I think I get the idea that hate is basically fear turned outward that normally stems from ignorance.

      What worries me now is not that our candidates are spewing forth dramatic and divisive action packed negative agendas and talking points. What worries me much more is that they are both very smart and are truly giving Americans what they want. Sound bytes and entertainment through ugliness. Like a car wreck we all slow down to watch it.

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      Faith Reaper 9 months ago from southern USA

      Wow, Dear Eric,

      You've packed a lot of food for thought here in this inspirational sermon here! Thank you for sharing of your homeless ministries. I, too, in the past have served the homeless around the building in which I work downtown in the city. The Lord opened my eyes!

      I really don't consider myself a democrat or republican, so I guess, independent, in that I try to look at each individual candidate and what their true heart is about and where they can truly make a difference for our country and in the world. That's a hard thing to do! I'm shocked at all of the racial tensions that seem to be increasing and it does seem that maybe these candidates are making it worse. Yes, what does that say about what we want as Americans being we are seemingly going along with all of this ...

      Your son is the cutest ever.

      Peace and blessings

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      ahorseback 9 months ago

      AH , There he is, the engineer on the peace train , with your little striped engineer hat too ! As to have always been the "peacemaker " in my house growing up , I understand polarization and replace that with reason . And how I long for the day when Americans held their political card hand close to the chest !

      My opinion matters little - But we should all just shut up and vote ! Great sermon Eric ! Please ,please , please , please don't spoil my image of you and run for office . ...................:-}

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ms. Reaper, you just made me think of good books I like. I guess movies and shows too. It is like within them I can enjoy the conflict because I can always walk away. Strange I suppose.

      It is good that you addressed racial tensions so eloquently. And then said a wonderful comment about my little mixed race son. Your heart is pure my friend.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ed, thanks much for your comment. I did a lot of sports as a youngster. And I worked for many years in a very conflict oriented profession. In all that we fought hard to win. Passions were high. But the only real losers I encountered were the ones who let the conflict become hate. And the same can be said about the conflicts within me. If I allow myself to hate my frailties I am in big trouble.

      Sorry to tell you but I ran for and got elected for my son's school Site Council and then got elected chairman of the council. But don't tell anyone that I won by default as we did not even have enough volunteers to fill the council seats. I wonder how many real politicians consider what they do as volunteer work?

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      Bill Holland 9 months ago from Olympia, WA

      You touch people with your words. That's what great writing does. You have a unique voice and you talk to your readers like they are sitting across from you....Will Rogers re-visited. Great sermon....I simply don't understand why we all can't talk like we're sitting across from each other, having a beer or a coffee....just two people chatting.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Bill, I have an interesting one on this. My son now 31 and I both misspent our youth in college getting degrees in philosophy. We do not just have different views on religion and politics but we are polar opposites yet not polarized. So we both are very well trained in arguing not just debating. Partly because of that training we can charge right into disagreements, boy can we get passionate, but that training has us sticking to issues not insults and bashing each other. We love debating with each other. Just like I love playing soccer with my little one, and now chess.

      The problem is that they are both smarter than their old man.

      Sorry about that -- I guess I should write a hub on it instead of going on here.

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      Ann Carr 9 months ago from SW England

      You're not going on, Eric! Just write a hub about it!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thanks Ann. I just finished the rough - boy is it rough. This thing about treating your brain to healthy activity kind of comes down hard on those who do not. Maybe I can sweeten up a little.

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      Ann Carr 9 months ago from SW England

      You're sweet as you are, Eric! Looking forward to the read.

      Ann

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 9 months ago from Southern Illinois

      We are so divided as a nation on politics, and we're divided on giving to the homeless. Too many believe they are lazy bums who wants handouts, while others give and hope for the best. We can not change anyone's thinking. We can only change our thinking when we see that we are wrong. I loved this sermon Preacher Man. You make perfect sense while the whole world is whirling out of control. The one hope that we all have is that God is in control.

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      Bronwen Scott-Branagan 9 months ago from Victoria, Australia

      It does seem sometimes - actually quite often - that the whole world is rushing towards an abyss, but then we remember that God knows what is happening and He is in control, especially when we give up trying to do it on our own and then handing it over to Him.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you Ann, I will get her finished up today. Then it is off the country where even cell phones only work if the wind is right.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ruby, I have a confession. I came from a small town and there were just no homeless people. My mom was the practical RN for the jail and helped with many who could have been homeless once released - especially vets. But even then our churches provided housing, not just handouts.

      So when I moved to the big city for graduate school and saw them I just assumed all were drunkards and/or addicts. I was like the dudes who yell get a job.

      But that changed quickly when I was asked to help out at our church. So truly in my growing into compassion I was guided by God.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Bronwen, I try to fashion my heart and mind with this knowledge. The further I get from God the further I get from being the man I would want to be. So prayer and meditation on some scripture in the morning is a must, and then praying all day long.

      And I don't want to be antagonistic.

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      John Ward 9 months ago from Richmond, British Columbia, Canada.

      Having seen the results of the polarization you speak of in most areas of the world from Africa, Asia, Europe, and more. I empathize with your sermon. I have also witnessed the effects of Love in places disrupted by violence and Love's amazing Healing power. As a result I am all for Love and Forgiveness. To forgive does not mean that we forget but the memories are eased. It is my hope and Belief that this polarization will in the end become a bad memory in History. We must stop it one person at a time. Each of us to him or Her self. God Bless Eric.

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      Dana Tate 9 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      Dear Eric, I am seeing homelessness here in Los Angeles more than ever. Or, maybe my eyes are just more opened to it. It's a big difference between whisking by them in your car where you barely see them- if you see them at all- to walking by them and seeing it up close and personal. The homeless are out there for different reasons. Some lost their jobs and have no family, some have mental illnesses and the system gave them a check and threw them out on the street. I can go on and on. The saddest though is that I see women now sleeping in their cars or elderly sleeping in cars and vans because their income is not enough for housing. It's a sad thing to see especially when you know it doesn't have to be this way.

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      John Ward 9 months ago from Richmond, British Columbia, Canada.

      Eric I work with them to try to ease if not alleviate their misery, here in the Vancouver area. It is a disgrace that we allow this injustice to prosper in our so-called enlightened age. Not all people that are homeless are drug addicts, People with psychological problems or in other ways disabled. No a good number of them are VICTIMS of our great system that we so loosely call capitalism. I am not as some will say, because of my statement, in any way a communist. I still stand by my statement. All of it could be eased if we stopped blaming the victims instead of the Victimizers. It is easy to justify one's actions when we can push the fault on others.

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      John Ward 9 months ago from Richmond, British Columbia, Canada.

      Norine, I am not sure just where you are coming From. Your comments are not making sense at the moment. Maybe elaborate a little moreand explain the deceit and where we are being deceived. Please also before you answer give some thought to where you are coming from. Be fully aware of your biases and then respond. God keep you and Bless you. John W

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      manatita44 9 months ago from london

      A very vast and far- reaching one, Bro. Life. Human consciousness is on the up but still a struggle. Gratitude has not yet been born. Still, we try... do our duty as we understand it... without expectations.

      A vast field with some necessary springles of Love now and again... our we die. Much Peace.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Oh my! A great big apology to my readers. I just spent some days in a land that time forgot in the Redrock country of Arizona. No internet. So I will try and catch up today before leaving for DC where my daughter swears they have internet! As much as those politicos get hacked I tend to believe her.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, just last night with a loved one we touched on Climate Change. I was willing to hear his side. For some reason this very loving man just got irate about the subject. We agreed to discuss it via email. We will. No urgency. And we will both be honest and passionate. I look forward to learning more of his views.

      We can do this thing together.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dana, if I may, our community-at-large last night won a great football game. I had to run some errands early this morning. A simple victory in an inconsequential sport made a difference in people's attitude. We as a species are capable if not mandated to change our attitudes.

      My young son the other day as we walked near our closest homeless person hang out asked me if we could go talk to "that one" like we did with the "other one" a few days before. Perhaps we can change our attitudes but it may take a generation.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John I deleted NW's comment but left yours. She just causes too much divisiveness. And she drives people away from considering the spiritual including Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hi Manatita, it is always so good to hear from you. I hope you do not mind but every time I see something from you my heart yearns to visit England sooner rather than later again.

      Man has been given many gifts but perhaps the greatest of all the gifts that everyone possesses aside from love is the ability to choose the direction of our growth. I see more and more now chose a path towards spirituality and this is very good.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Be careful of "spirits" (I John 4:1; Isaiah 8:20)!

      Man: II Kings 17:29-41!

      Be very careful of the 'God' you serve (I Cor 8:6)!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you much Norine -- not one scream in this comment. Cool. I would much rather include you than exclude you.

      Our God blessed each human with a different set of eyes and ears and experiences. I am not to question why He did not just create us all as a single organism. But He did not. So we must accept that he made us different with all that entails and celebrate that diversity. Perhaps there is a need for man to view God differently -- otherwise why would He have made it so?

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      manatita44 9 months ago from london

      Come Bro. You're welcome. Yes. Growth is increasing. The inner forces have already won. Only a matter of time. Let us continue ...

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Manatita, you just made me think that oceans apart we may still walk arm in arm neither guiding nor following but being together.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Back to your old "shenanigans" huh Eric?

      LYING telling ALL you want "guidance" but DELETE the WORD of GOD!

      DECEITFUL!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine!! News Flash --- you are not the Word of God. In claiming to be you deny that Christ is the Word. The Living Word. I do not buy into too much blasphemy stuff but you are real close.

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      manatita44 9 months ago from london

      By the way Bro. I'm in Germany. Long spiritual retreat and some serious meditations. Back in the UK on Sunday evening, God's willing.

      Love to the family.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Eric! Did Scripture not say "THE WORD "IS" GOD" (John 1:1)? Therefore, when I "QUOTE" HIS WORD, IT'S HIM TALKING; not *me!* What part of that don't you understand? *I* didn't put IT in Scripture!

      Stop calling HIS WORD "blasphemy!" HE "sees" but I pray HE "winks" at your "IGNORANCE" (Acts 17:30)! READ! You need to "repent" to HIM; not *me!* Again, I can only "guide" you to what HE SAID but it's up to you to "obey!"

      Stop "causing your brothers to stumble" (Romans 14:13-23) by DELETING HIS WORD! ALL need to know TRUTH!

      Man: READ II Kings 17:29-41 then ask yourself; "Am I serving THE CREATOR by "obeying" (John 14:23-24) HIS WORD or am I doing as those in II Kings?"

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine I again leave your post against the better judgment that God has given me. You quotations and mimicry and parroting out of context are not the word of God. A woman who deceives herself into thinking that she is closer to God than she may possibly be is prostituting.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Oh my friend do tell of where in my country of my family. Tell us of this sanctuary that rejuvenates your inside and out --- please a hub.

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      Dianna Mendez 9 months ago

      It seems like a simple challenge to sit and talk with someone about their differences. This election has many emotionally involved, even to the point of separation from friends and family. I pray the people unite under the new leadership (whoever it may be) to pave a better world for us all. Cat Stevens had a good message didn't he?

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Sorry another NW was deleted. Does one need to shout "Paul"? What could the possible help come from such a concept? NW is lost.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      If you only "believed" Paul was engulfed with the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS) and used as HIS "vessel" (Acts 9:15)!

      You are an unbeliever!

      What "spirit" do you have when ALL I do is "QUOTE HIS WORD?"

      Isaiah 8:20! Who's lost?

      Now I KNOW who your 'god' is (John 8:44)!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dianna I am such a silly goose I went back and listened to the story of our train again. It makes me happy and I can honestly say that many of my friends and family are enjoying the ride with us.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      NW what in the heck reason do you shout here? "quote" needs to be shouted. I will just go back to seeing your name and deleting. God knows I have tried but you just hate people and it shows.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      NO! You "hate" people or you would tell them what GOD SAID and "correct" them as you would your children but you DELETED HIS WORD which told them how to "renew their minds, spirits, and mouth!"

      Am I lying?

      "Woe unto them who call evil good and good evil..." (Isaiah 5:20)!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      NW I am now leaving your posts up. You are scaring me and my family. You are stalking and posting on everything I write. You have publicly shown your familiarity with me schedule. You have condemned me to hell. You are a cyber terrorist. I don't care if you believe in Christ or Buddha, you are acting the Jihadist in many ways and you are putting me in fear. I am not the fool when it comes to IP address locations. I will if pressed ask for physical intervention and a restraining order. What you are doing to me would not be tolerated in a neighborhood. And I intend to keep my internet neighborhood free from predators like you.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Matthew 10:15!

      You are not the ONLY one I quote Scripture to that's says MOST are "hell bound!" I continuously post Galatians 1:6-9 which says "If one preaches ANY OTHER GOSPEL than the Gospel of Christ; they are "ACCURSED!" Why do you take it personally? Just "QUOTING" Scripture (My belief)!

      I will no longer respond on your HUBS; not because of your "threats," but because YOU SAY "you fear!"

      Don't want to see anyone "croke" because of TRUTH! lol

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Well that is that then. I have sent your IP address to authorities. I imagine they are busy. Or maybe threats of death make them a little not so busy.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I do not love evil. And evil has shown it's face.

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      John Ward 9 months ago

      This is for Norine. Norine I have come to the conclusion that you are a Modern Day Pharisee and that unless one follows your misguided steps then He or She would be a pagan and not worth other than For you to do your best to decry them. You give me the impression that for you the idea of discussion is to deride and degrade those you are supposedly in discussion with. May I respectfully suggest that you go back to the couch and take stock on where you are coming from. Please for your own peace of mind and sanity re-invent yourself.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, we have an interesting situation where NW promised not to post anymore on my hubs --- but apparently her impulse control is such that she cannot control it.

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      Faith-Hope-Love. 9 months ago

      Hi Eric it would seem she may have transferred her attentions from you to me. I received a message asking me if i knew anything about the bible. I've not as yet answered her but in time will get round to it. For the present she can find some patience and wait. I am very familiar with the the piece she Quotes from John though never in its entirety. I feel pity for folks of her ilk. God Bless. John W

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, I pity and pray for you. The tricky wicket of dealing with such a person, acts and words is trying. I really try to be tolerant of different views and I think free speech is somewhat sacrosanct. That being said, we do not yell fire in a movie theater, practice hate speech or defame people.

      And in my view we do not drive people from Christ.

      Oh well.

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      Faith-Hope-Love 9 months ago

      John. I am with you. I will add her to our Prayer List and my order will pray that she be given the gift of finding out who she really is plus a modicum of some common sense. We will deal with her in some kindness. God bless. Keep up the good work. John

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      Faith-Hope-Love 9 months ago

      Hi Eric, Just noticed I addressed Last comment to myself. sorry John. May you keep up the good work. John

      I think I was most likely thinking of Jodah. Sayonara.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, I saw that and giggled. So funny when we make odd little mistakes.

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      Faith-Hope-Love 9 months ago

      I .guess my age, 21 plus a little big bit, is beginning to show. I call a seniors moment. My excuse

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      No way I let you off so easy. I inherited my nuts from my children. I just love sitting alone and thinking -- no one criticizes me!

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      Faith-Hope-Love 9 months ago

      We must be kindred spirits, Eric, I do also. I like to read and then try and absorb the lesson. I love to be on my own with Pencil and Note book as I Think on the lessons of Life and Look at the hurts and Joys. God Bless.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, my son is an accomplished song and poetry writer. He is almost never without pencil and paper. One time about 12 miles into the Grand Canyon I came around a nasty exposed outcropping and there the dude was hanging his legs over a precipice jotting down notes for a song. The muse is one thing, the delight and self control to write it down is another. The "hurts and joys" must be absorbed and treated like the impostors they are. I am very pleased to have met you and look forward to a friendship.

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      Faith-Hope-Love 9 months ago

      I too wil have pleasure in that friendship. Eric. Here's to a long one,

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you friend

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      Faith-Hope-Love 9 months ago

      It is, very much, my pleasure Eric. Our Prayers are with you. Keep up the Great Work and keep in tpouch.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Our prayers are definitely together, may we turn our attention to those who need it for I am fully attended to by my Lord.

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      John Ward 9 months ago from Richmond, British Columbia, Canada.

      I too, Eric. In our prayers you will be there,

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      Lawrence Hebb 8 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Eric

      Very thoughtful and relevant. Discussion is one thing, but division, especially among people is always harmful!

      For me, a two way radio could be used by a relief worker building a water supply in a remote area, but that same radio could be used for terrible purposes.

      Consequently the only way we could get them in was through 'criminal' means, were we wrong?

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Great Lawrence, Whoa, could I tell some stories about smuggling. Cancer meds, CDs, even laptops - but sometimes better is smuggling out. I know I have only helped people with these endeavors. God will judge that which man does not know.

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