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Eric's Sunday Sermon; The Road To And From Uncensored Honesty

Updated on August 23, 2016

How could a small child be anything but honest?

The real truth is that honesty can hurt.
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Are we honest?

Wow what an August so far. It has taken me to less extroversion and more introversion. This is OK for a few weeks a year. But if God has put love in your life, it is not for you to keep and to hide.

Let us not beat around the bush here but rather jump right in with both feet. People in general cannot just speak their minds. You have to protect other people’s feelings. You have to respect their feelings. Basically you are trained and trained hard to avoid honesty if it means some pain. But let us be honest with ourselves, we mostly avoid honesty so as not to hurt ourselves (or what we perceive as ourselves). So quickly cutting to the quick we face that our lack of honesty is greatly based on fear. But am I afraid that I might hurt her feelings, or that in hurting her feelings she will not like me anymore? Or heaven forbid think less of me. And clearly I am afraid of looking within and being honest with myself.

I think most of us have difficulty discussing politics or religion because we are offended by attacks on our personal favorites. And yes the flip side is true also. We are afraid of being honest because we may offend someone with a different favorite or position. When points of view or perspectives or positions clash normally we just throw honesty out the window and go to default mode of protecting ourselves from unpleasantness or maybe even pain. An interesting area of self-inspection is if we are honest with our God. Yikes, I don’t want God mad at me because I do not agree with the learned preacher. Or a really fun one is when one is raised in a family that regularly attended church and then later makes excuses for not going. That is a double whammy because first you lie to yourself that there is a reason not to go and then deny that it is just because you do not want to go. And truthfully you simply do not need to go.

Tame some of that wild with some truth.

It is a new day dawning

New day new hope
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Honest to God starts with honesty to ourselves.

Sometimes I get way into reading spiritual stuff like the Bible and in composing a sermon and I don’t want to go to church on a given Sunday. My wife really tries to make me feel guilty about that. She honestly believes it is part of the parcel that gets you in good with God. I personally look at it more like a revival that is good but not necessary – and I am the one who used to preach. Remember please that we are talking about unabashed honesty here.

Can honesty be presented in a way that is harsh and cruel? Can honesty be presented in a way that is peaceful and kind? I think we all know the answer is yes to both. I was a coach quite a bit. Correction of errors just better come naturally or you are in the wrong business. Some kind of innate knowledge of when to be harsh and when to coddle. One thing for sure is you better not be choosing the right delivery based on a wrong perspective or assumption. And if there is a real difference between that and raising your own children, I have yet to find it. So akin to our concepts of harsh and cruel versus peaceful and kind is the question “can we be best friends with our children”. The cool part there is that if you live long enough you can see the proof in the pudding. The relationship between parent/child and mentor/student and coach/athlete just plain requires an honesty that is sometimes harsh. This does not mean it is not loving. Shouldn’t the mentor learn from the student? And for sure the parent must learn from the child. And if a coach is not constantly learning from his athletes he is a lousy coach.

There is a hard fact that the harshness in the honesty is sometimes an inward thing. Let us face it, being really truthful is hard on a person. Then there is the tough part of expressing both truthful facts of a circumstance and the fact of how you feel. These cannot just be a recitation of occurrences but must be the result of some real reflection.

This little boy really truthfully loves, and he loves grandma Tam.

Love must be honest to be real. And yes that is easier said than done.
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Sorry but like a shadow truth is often illusory

Is truth primary or secondary

TV news is an example of not being honest. First, each report must be couched in drama to sell. Secondly each station seems to have an agenda. Their own agenda not the agenda of getting to the truth. If you are being honest your motivation must not be to impose your thoughts on another but rather to discuss your thoughts and give truth to the listener. And this brings us to something that is hard for me to reconcile at all times.

Is taking on the mantle of total honesty a selfish thing? Sometimes I take it on solely for my own well being. Kind of like “I need to get this off my chest”. Does the person who is shrouded in deceit bear the weight of the world on their shoulders? Pretty much she does. So we see there is a kind of personal freedom in living in the truth. Must we go into extreme detail? We must weigh the fact that lying by omission is still lying, against just plain overdoing the purging of our deceit.

Here is a concept worth pondering. Almost all lies are about the past. There is that common future type act about promising to do something with absolutely no intention of doing it. But in general we lie about the past. And so we must come clean about our past conduct. And we get a little squeamish about just how far back do we go in order to live an honest life. Twenty years or heaven forbid forty years. But for sure anything that is left that propels us into a future without full honesty and we are only taking half measures. Can I be an honest person and yet have lied about one thing? And how can we have a completely honest relationship if it is built upon one brick of lies? It is at this point that I must tell you that starting out on a road to honesty will be difficult, or maybe even brutal, but once the base is in place carrying forward will make your life very much easier. Wouldn’t it be sweet if our default, knee jerk reaction to everything was simple honesty rather than based upon what others think of us?

The road of truth is narrow

Kind of an downward and upward battle
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Be happy, joyous and free

Could it be that we are already totally honest and never make mistakes? Could it be that our trust in our God is so strong that fully admitting all those mistakes is easy? I think you are actually a good person. And I think that within that good is a problem with being less than fully honest. I think it bothers you if you are living one ounce of deceit. And I think that carrying that burden is a lot of wasted energy that you could be using to do good stuff. Let us not do good stuff as a form of repentance but rather as a result of being free to put our energy into it for goodness sake. Please get rid of your censors within. Approach life with a goal toward freedom from the past.

Honesty starts with ourselves. Tell yourself something truthful today. Something you have been denying. Hey the cool thing is that no one will know unless you share it with them and that is your choice. I suggest you do.

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      John Hansen 10 months ago from Queensland Australia

      This is a wonderful sermon on truth and honesty, Eric. So much food for thought here that I don't know where to begin. I am not always truthful if a conersation turns to say politcs and someone has strong opinions that don't agree with mine. Often, I will stay silent rather than risk turning a discussion into an argument. If it is a subject I feel really strongly about I will always make my opinion heard however. Another is the quandry of always being truthful to a loved one, if the truth will hurt them in some way..as opposed to trying to protect their feelings. Thank you for this. Have a great week.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Great sermon, Eric, and truth be known, I am not always honest with people. I tend to put a filter on some things because I don't think they want to know the truth.....Nicholson's movie line "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!" But perhaps that shouldn't be my call, eh?

      I am much better being honest with myself.

      Nice one, buddy!

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      Linda Lum 10 months ago from Washington State, USA

      Like John, I tend to wear a filter when I talk with others; I know that my political viewpoints don't align with those of most of my friends. I would rather remain silent than stir up a hornets nest. I refrain (as best I can) from commenting on social media when a 'hot button' topic arises.

      You've given us a great deal to consider here. Good for you!

      You have been and will continue to be in my prayers.

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      When one is "honest" they are FREE! No more guilt, condemnation, or slavery of ANY KIND!

      "Honesty" is "Humbling" oneself (II Chronicles 7:14) and is the ONLY WAY one can "serve GOD!" Being open and honest or having a "pure heart" (Matthew 5:8) which GOD "sees" you have Eric! The Psalmist David said "Create in me a "clean heart" in Psalms 51:10 and is my daily prayer!

      As you know, I give WORD daily and if there's ONE thing I KNOW, GOD will hold me accountable for EVERYTHING I've said! The reason I can "HONESTLY" say what I've said is because I "REPEAT" HIS WORD and have prayed prior to talking and conferred with the Holy Spirit to give ALL "revelation" of HIS WORD from HIM! Therefore, when I comment, I've prayed and asked HIM for guidance when I "open my mouth!"

      Jeremiah 23:1 says "Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD." I KNOW we ALL "must stand before the judgment seat of Christ" (II Corinthians 5:10)! With that continuously in mind, "HONESTY" is the ONLY WAY I speak which is done by REPEATING HIS WORD!

      I enjoyed this HUB more than any you've written! Again, GOD is "looking at the heart" (I Samuel 16:7) Eric!

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hi John thank you for spending your valuable time here and letting me know. That openness with family is really hard sometimes. "Honey that dress makes you look fat". Yikes - but would you just let her go out with it knowing it does not make her look her best? I reckon - act and do with love is our best filter.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Bill that is one of my most favorite all time lines. I am working on this notion of being honest with myself. First I have to know who I am in order to form a base of honesty. Heck I have been lying to myself for so long it is hard to find me. Progress not perfection eh?

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Linda, every time I hear from you, it brightens my day that you are well. Our home prays for your home.

      Around here we walk a fine line in honesty. The docs say "you have this grave disease" and we just kind of live in denial. Intellectual we know it is true. But we refuse to let it be true in our hearts. With God no hardship is grave. I will have to think on that.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine you mention a cornerstone of a good life - humility. I truly believe that much deceit is the direct result of lack of humility. Our honesty is directly linked to the health of our spirituality. Discernment as to what is truth is a character trait worth pursuing.

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      ONLY the Holy Spirit "discerns" TRUTH! We do not use "our" thinking (logic and/or reasoning) when "Seeking TRUTH in HIS WORD" rather go to HIM in prayer with a "pure heart" asking for "leadership" and "guidance" into ALL truth" (John 14:26; 16:13)!

      As you say, "Our honesty is directly linked to the health of our spirituality" because as GOD SAID "They that worship HIM "MUST" worship HIM in Spirit and in TRUTH" (Honesty) as stated in John 4:23-24!

      GOD "looks at the heart" (I Samuel 16:7)!

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      That is a new one on me. Man is not capable of discernment? "only the Holy Spirit discerns"? Well now that is kind of hard to take. Darling let us not usurp this hub -- I have asked the question here: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/answer/269...

      See you there.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 10 months ago from Southern Illinois

      Eric, I think you will agree that I do not have a problem with speaking about politics. When I have a strong feeling I either write my opinion or burst inside, that's just me. About religion, I do not force my beliefs on anyone because everyone has their own and I respect that. I find it more difficult to answer a question when I know the person asking wants me to agree even when I do not. Another great sermon giving us more food for thoughts. Thank you..

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      Dana Tate 10 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      I always believed the truth will set you free. When I went on my spiritual journey, discovering some things about myself was the most painful thing I ever experienced. The truth was very healing for me and I wouldn't be the person I am today without it. I have had people tell me the truth and initially I was angry but their tone of voice in which the delivered the message made a big difference in how I received it.

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      whonunuwho 10 months ago from United States

      I guess it is wise not to provoke a political conversation and sometimes those about what religion is the true one, and as well as what may be politically correct. All I know to do is hold to my faith, my opinions about political issues should be kept mainly to myself. I give you praise and support to your fine sermons my friend. Blessings to you and yours on this fine evening. whonu

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hi Ruby my good friend. Well you know that you and I don't always agree on things. But I definitely want to hear your take and learn. Open interchange is so healthy and fun. My adult children think I am whacky politically but they follow my path on religion nonreligion and God and spirituality. My daughter is a muckity muck with the DNCCC and shakes hands with presidents -- but I do not buy her wrap one bit hihihi!

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dana, I am reading this one fellow that claims there is no room for less than brutal honesty. Interesting but he couches it in the concept that you stay with and talk through disturbing truths. A journey between and together. It made me realize that sometimes I excuse my less than honest behavior by saying "I don't have time for the truth" - the same applies with myself.

      But you and I know it is worth the time and energy. Hugs to you up there in LA from down near the border.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hi Whonu, my favorite spiritual poet. You know you have some pretty brutally honest pieces -- well at least they make me get honest. What a gift you have to tell truth in such a harmonious way. Thanks for being my friend.

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      ahorseback 10 months ago

      Oh my Gosh , I'm sitting here thinking my friend ! THIS may be your best sermon of ALL and .....understanding completely the "introspective " part of self , I go there too much and fully realize it's not always the best place , but you have totally nailed this one - you sir are my absolute sermon guru . There is a part of me too that realizes , I need this connection with god, more and more .

      Thank you Eric - you are doing an amazing thing here !

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      whonunuwho 10 months ago from United States

      My honor, Eric my friend. whonu

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ed, it is like you and I are doing this journey together. That proper balance of quiet natural introspection using nature and literature as a guide, and that requirement that man has of sharing himself with fellow humans. I appreciate your camaraderie.

      I kind of hope this expedition toward truth and our God never ends. At least I hope yours does not before mine. Thanks buddy.

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      manatita44 10 months ago from london

      A deep soul-searching one Bro. Lots to ponder and questions to ask of the writer and of ourselves. Excellently presented. I love that kid!

      Great ones from Cat Stevens, A great man!

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I also like Yousef Islam ;-) maybe even more. Thanks for dropping in Manatita. I will see you in a few moments.

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      Dianna Mendez 10 months ago

      It is hard to tell someone the truth when you believe it will hurt. Your words are hitting the mark for so many of us. Enjoyed hearing Moonshadow.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dianna I am taking time out of my day to focus on honesty. I am trying to build into my thinking not just being honest but really looking at what is honest. This complex concept of truth is just a little different.

      I sure like learning with my good friends like you, thanks for joining me.

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      Mel Carriere 10 months ago from San Diego California

      To be honest, I am happy you skipped church on Sunday and decided to preach this sermon on a Tuesday, even though I am just now reading it on another Sunday. Oh gosh darn, it's only Saturday.

      Is it possible to be honest all seven days of the week? Probably, except for Friday, when sometimes you have to tell some sweet little lies to Mom when you sneak in at 2 AM.

      I don't know where I'm going with this but as usual your sermons are edifying, gratifying, and satisfying. Do all three words mean the same thing? Honestly, I don't know.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Mel, you always bring a smile to my face. Please do not confuse me on the days I am very fragile. I was just wondering why my son is home all day on this Friday.

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      Shannon 10 months ago from Texas

      Good lesson. I can't stand being lied to. Or walking on eggshells. Sure, there's also a nice way to be honest. So do it, but be direct. Say what you mean. Maybe then it's easier to get over the hurdle and go on happily together as family, friends, co-workers, whatever the relationship may be. Anyway.. . .lies and dishonestly irritate the crap outta me. Someone I care about recently had her life turned upside down as a result of someone else's lies and deception. And it may never be right again.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Shannon it is nice to hear from you. I enjoyed your piece on the Mountain. "Take the Mountain" I think.

      It would seem to me through life that being tough in honesty is best. But you cannot do a drive by. You have to make the time to work through any distress with those you care about.

      You speak of someone else's lie hurting another forever. I still have to face the lies I have told myself.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 10 months ago from The Caribbean

      Thanks for stressing the importance of being honest with ourselves. The more we practice that, the easier the habit of being honest with others. Good message here!

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dora, you are one of those women that I admire most. You inspire and lead. We are just learning the concept of practice, practice and more practice in our home. So indeed we practice prayer and gratitude and honesty. I hope and think that we are getting better at them.

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      Frank Atanacio 9 months ago from Shelton

      Honestly, thank you for leaving the door open to this wonderful sermon.. I really enjoyed it...Honestly..:) Frank

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Frank, I was just thinking about your detectives this morning and wondering what they are up to. Honestly I want you to publish another in your series.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Eric

      Great stuff here. But while honesty can be brutal, and used wrongly it crushes the spirit, it is liberating and used properly it sets us free.

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Lawrence

      "For whom the Lord loveth, he chaseneth, and scourgeth every son, whom he receiveth. If ye enduring chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partarkers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward if yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby" (Hebrews 12:6-11)!

      Without "chastisement" from HIS WORD, only a "BASTARD!"

      LOVE

      Norine

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Lawrence how right you are. My best notion is to set forth the honesty in uncensored style. And then damn well listen and discuss the issue with the other giving full respect and love and listening. Honesty is not for those who are too busy to work through with another.

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      My dear Norine. Honesty can never be the quoting of the words of another. Whatever that is it is not honesty of heart, soul and mine. To hide behind some concept called the word reflects a skirting of the truth of how you are. Mathew and James are my favorites but just quoting them is not honest.

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      John Hansen 8 months ago from Queensland Australia

      Eric, for some reason I thought this was your newest Sunday Sermon, then I se I have already read and commented on it. Well, there was a clear reason I needed to read this message again. There is a situation on my other website that is troubling me and I have to refrain from being truthful and doing what I feel is right because of underlying ramifications if I do. I find myself between a rock and a hard place. Hopefully a time may come when I can put things right but at the moment there is too much at stake. I guess I need to pray on it.

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John you are so blessed by our Lord to fully try and understand the concept of right and wrong. We just love the concept of "would you rather be right or do right". We just do not get the luxury of clear cut black and white stuff.

      But you are a very special man as you care about the rightness and the effect on your brothers and sisters.

      What you have so successfully done is practice being honest with yourself. I do not know much but I do know that when good men do nothing there is hell on earth. When good men act upon the conscience there is heaven on earth, albeit sometimes not pleasing to all.

      Let me put all that gobbledygook more clearly. If I have an issue I would ask you for advice and follow it.

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      John Hansen 8 months ago from Queensland Australia

      Thanks, Eric. You may have helped me resolve this issue.

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      Norine Williams 8 months ago

      Jodah: "Underlying ramifications?" The Christians who were killed by ISIS certainly didn't have a "choice" of "underlying ramifications!" Jesus said "If we be ashamed of HIM; HE would be ashamed of us" (Matthew 10:32; Mark 8:38; Luke 9:26)! "Who would we rather please, man or GOD" (Galatians 1:10)! Acts 5:29 "Peter and the apostles replied, We must obey GOD rather than man!" What can they do to us if we are "IN CHRIST?" Go to be with OUR FATHER? Is this not what we're striving for? They can band HIS WORD; they can perceive you any way they want but as long as you have HIS WORD to back you up; "Vengeance is mind, saith the LORD" (Romans 12:19) and "For we ALL must stand before the judgment seat of Christ" (II Corinthians 5:10)! Therefore, if they THINK they inflict "underlying ramifications" on you, they're ONLY digging a ditch for themselves!

      I may be banned shortly from HP for using the title of my proposed book ("NIGGA'S IN CHRIST") but it does fit the world's "IGNORANCE" (aka "Nigga") of "proclaimed" Christians of HIS WORD! Since the word "Nigga" is a derogatory phrase to those who "perceive" it that way, I have been denied access to commenting and answering questions and am only being allowed to comment of certain HUBS! However for me (a 66 year old Black woman), it is as the MAJORITY of society "perceives" Blacks: "IGNORANT" and if one LIES and say it's a lie you show your prejudice! Although we currently have a Black President, he and his family are constantly being called "apes, monkeys, gorillas, etc" to date! Not many non-Blacks have respect for his knowledge; not many non-Blacks have respect for his accomplishments; not many non-Blacks (to this date) accept the fact that he is an "intelligent man" (not Black man), who has accomplished more for this nation than MOST previous presidents!

      During my visit to HP, I have TRIED to tell ALL that we CURRENTLY live under the New Covenant of "GRACE," that we have a "DIRECT COMMUNICATION LINE" to HIM and we don't need "man" in the middle for HE is "OUR MEDIATOR," that we don't have to "WORK" for "SALVATION" for it was "A GIFT" from HIM "IF" we BELIEVE and have "FAITH" in "HIS PROMISES," that if we don't live according to the teachings of Paul, we "ARE ACCURSED," but since RELIGION has not "taught" this (which is according to Scripture), MOST are LOST due to "Satan's Greatest Device to LOSE SOULS" (aka RELIGION)!

      Eric: It is not "the concept of "would you rather be right or do right" rather WHAT DID JESUS SAY? JESUS SAID "If you LOVE Me, keep my commandments" (John 17:15)! First, we don't "DO!" The HOLY SPIRIT said "HE would lead and guide us into ALL truth" (John 14:26) and IF you BELIEVE HIM, why do we have to "DO?" If you were blind, wouldn't you rely on your "seeing eye dog" to lead and guide you? The same it is with the HOLY SPIRIT! HE SAID HE WOULD! Why don't MOST "BELIEVE?" Is it too much to rely of the HOLY SPIRIT when you would rely on a "seeing eye dog" IF you were blind? You have more "faith" in a "seeing eye dog" than JESUS? WOW! How can MOST belittle JESUS like that?

      We DO "get the luxury of clear cut black and white stuff" IF you obeyed HIS COMMANDS! HE commanded us to "WAIT" for the "DIRECT COMMUNICATION LINE" to HIM so HE would "put HIS laws in our hearts and minds" yet "man" took off without HIM creating 33,000 different denomination in the US alone!

      You are RIGHT in saying "When good men do NOTHING there is hell on earth..." "Good men" are those who "WAITED" for the "COMMUNICATION LINE" to HIM who have been "changed" by the HOLY SPIRIT (II Corinthians 3:18) and "not we ourselves" (Ephesians 2:8-9) or by "DOING" RIGHT! There is a HUGH difference! Some Atheist are "good men," but does that make them "right" in the sight of GOD? Man's established "morals" and "godly characteristics" are not as GOD'S! ANYTHING that one does "to the glory of GOD" is a "special man as they care about the rightness and the effect on their brothers and sisters" when bringing sheep into HIS FOLD! What "man" perceives as ungodly may not be UnGODLY in the sight of GOD for HE "looks at the heart" which man doesn't have the capability of doing!

      I will publish my book "NIGGA'S IN CHRIST" which will explain the IGNORANCE of MOST "proclaimed" Christians who have not "STUDIED" HIS WORD and only "Go along with popes, priests, preachers, pastors, traditions, teachings and interpretations!" Wouldn't you call that "IGNORANT?" Wouldn't you say it's how the world "perceive" MOST Blacks; just "Go along to get along?" Every now and then you'll see a Black stand up and tell TRUTH to suffer "underlying ramifications" such as Martin Luther King, Jr and recently Colin Kaepernick; however, look at the "underlying ramifications" they suffered. As "Christians," it should not be! As "Christians" we should STAND BOLD and be ready to suffer for Christ as HE did! As "Christians" we should stand for TRUTH no matter what!

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Wow that is way too long sister. But I think the use of the word that you use is correct. Many white, hispanic and Native Americans in my formative years were called such a name. It meant stingy of thought.

      I think I could describe you that way as you parrot scripture without thought.

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John my good friend. I had this hard core battle with cancer. My buddies and children made me go hiking what is called the "Tanner Trail" in the Grand Canyon. I lost the juice baby I was whipped. It was 110 Fahrenheit and the fifty pound back wore me down. My son of 14 ran down the trail and returned with an empty back that he filled with my heavy load. There is no better joy than giving a helping hand. I know about the verse about laying down yourself for another. You have laid your heart out for me. And that is the greatest gift of all.

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      Norine Williams 8 months ago

      My "thought" is NOT my own; it is from the WORD (IS GOD) OF GOD! Therefore, not *me* speaking!

      GOD told me to title the book "NIGGA'S IN CHRIST" and I had no idea it meant "stingy of thought!" Thank's for that! I just KNEW HE TOLD ME and MOST said (as HP & their Hubbers) GOD didn't tell you anything like that! When I asked my "elderly relatives" how they liked it; they said "NO, get another title" but I MUST DO HIS COMMANDS (HE "puts HIS laws in our hearts and minds")!

      GOD told me the word "Nigga" didn't ONLY apply to Blacks, but ALL who are "IGNORANT" of HIS WORD! People will use ANYTHING to "say" you are NOT "IN CHRIST" if it doesn't meet "their" perception of what one should act or talk like if they are "in Christ!"

      I find it hard to believe they "think" JESUS is ALL LOVE and continue to prove they ARE "NIGGA'S IN CHRIST" or "IGNORANT" of HIS WORD because they have not done as HE COMMANDED and that is to "STUDY" (II Timothy 2:15)! How can they say they "love the Lord" and don't know what HE'S LIKE or what HE LIKES? Now that "parroting" but NOT HIS WORD rather "man!"

      Blessings

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      Dana Tate 8 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      God did not tell you that "Nigga" applies to blacks at all. God did not name black people "Nigga" it was given to them by ignorant people who had no respect for the value of human life. And, if I might add put them in a place of ignorance when they refused to teach them to read or write in order to control them. You talk too much Norine Williams. And, you are showing yourself to be the biggest "Nigga" of all, a person who tries to teach truth when the truth is not in them.

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      Norine Williams 8 months ago

      I did not say "God told me the word "Nigga" applied to Blacks!"

      I used the word in the correct context according to Eric's explanation above. Did he not say other nationalities were also referred to as "Nigga" which meant "stingy of thought?"

      "You talk too much "DANA TATE." And, you are showing yourself to be the biggest "Nigga" of all, a person who tries to teach truth when the truth is not in them."

      How do you like that for "parroting" Eric? The TRUTH will come out, won't it?

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dana my friend. It is just about funny that when I grew up nigger meant a cheap son of a gun. I think the term was niggardly. It meant a dog nosed fool who was too cheap to pay retail. Oh my James Joyce, Billy Dean, Larry Johnson. and our friend who died early Tim Leroy from leukemia. In my world nigga had no race concept. It had to do with a cheap bastard that one should set out to cheat. My facebook buddies still call me wapp. And that means a Without Pass Port man. I heard tell my mom and daddy of biological parents were illegals from Ireland. But I have never been niggardly. I pay my way at the price asked. But I am one cheap SOB. But I beg thee not to use the name today as it may offend another and our love must allow us to care.

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine your belief that you speak for God is insulting. You may not claim that you speak for God while the rest of us are idiots. That is just so crazy and rude and obnoxious that I cannot even fathom your arrogance. Even Moses did not claim such an arrogant idea.

      You are blasphemous and are banned from all of my hubs.

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine your hatred of that which is human is not to be tolerated. Man has faults. You condemn them for that. You may not brush your teeth in the stream above me.

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      Norine Williams 8 months ago

      Eric, *I* don't condemn anyone; the WORD OF GOD does (Hebrews 4:12)! Tell GOD you won't "give up" HUMANITY and allow HIM to gradually remove our (WE ALL HAVE) "faults" via the HOLY SPIRIT! But when one LOVES HIS BROTHER, HE "CORRECTS" (Leviticus 17:19) and "not let him suffer harm!" Don't you for your children?

      Again, I give WORD which is GOD (John 1:1) speaking! Therefore tell HIM HE "MAY NOT BRUSH HIS TEETH IN THE STREAM ABOVE YOU!"

      I love you Eric because GOD loves you and wants you to KNOW these things! Now you have a “choice,” and what you do with me telling you what HE SAYS (WORD) is up to you!

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      Rich Kelley 8 months ago from The Ekklesia

      Eric

      In time the wife that has the husband come home at the wee hours with a hand full of 3AM seven eleven flowers will not accept the sacrifice because there has been no repentance. God is the same way. The sinner cannot understand when they remain in their sin. When one has finally turned away from incorrect behavior and removed the thinking that justifies the incorrect behavior, God will heal both sides and his grace and mercy will be understood and lived.

      The phrase (('I love you because god told me to')) becomes that hand full of seven eleven flowers, it means nothing without repentance. The one holding the flowers is so steeped in their offensive sins that they can't understand and they continue in the behavior that destroys lives instead of building them up. Rationalization becomes the alcohol of those that are scripturally drunk. What do we do that is bad? We allow them to continue to behave the way they do without discipline. We become their enablers by responding. In effect we are allowing them to urinate and defecate in the well that we draw water from.

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hi honey Norine.

      Just think for a moment if your mind can allow you to think instead of parroting. Judas Iscariot did God's will. You do God's will by your own mind. It was necessary for there to be a traitor. Simon should not have sliced that ear, but it was necessary for us to learn. You are necessary for us to learn how not to act. You no doubt are doing God's bidding. But so was Judas and Simon. We learn our own weaknesses from you and so your are in a sense a teacher like Judas. Please keep your purse.

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Buddy Rich Kelley you are awesome. Your words are not even your own. You speak a truth too wise for man. What can we learn from you? We can learn much. I totally disagree with you ;-) That is left over from my attitude from my doctorate earning years.

      But you demand too much from man. Please sit still and think on that. I am learned of Bible, I am learned of meditation of what Paul tells me to think of. I aim every single day to act in love. But there is this ugly thorn in my side that is not healable. I am man. Strike me and I bleed. Insult me and I hurt. I cannot be pure. Perhaps you are endowed with what you think. My son and my brother and my sister and my wife and my best friends are also not so endowed with your purity --- or are your word of the flowers bloomed from guilt. Are you better than the man who at least tries. I beg of thee not to eat your own fruit but rather swap it for the fruit of your neighbor and eat it together without judgment.

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      Rich Kelley 8 months ago from The Ekklesia

      huh?

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      Dana Tate 8 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      Okay Norrine, I stand corrected and I apologize if my understanding of your words "God told me NIGGA DOESN'T APPLY TO BLACKS ONLY" And you said Eric mentioned other races but you only mentioned blacks. However if I misunderstood you I apologize.

      Eric, I never heard that "stingy of thought" your hubs are not only motivational but educational too. Blessings to you.

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      Norine Williams 8 months ago

      It's OK Dana! We ALL misunderstand when we allow the flesh (our mind or the devil's playground) overtake us (Ephesians 6:12)! Galatians 5:16 "Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh!" In other words, ALWAYS ask yourself; WWJD?

      I NEVER mentioned the N word applied ONLY to Blacks! ANYONE can be IGNORANT and MOST are to the WORD of GOD!

      The word "naggardly" means "stingy" period! Eric used "in thought" and I use "to HIS WORD" (aka IGNORANT to HIS WORD)! However, Scripture is available to ALL and when one doesn't "STUDY" to find out what HIS "commands" are after HE'S told us "If you love me keep my commands" (John 17:15) shows little or no LOVE for the LORD!

      Blessings

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Missy Dana, you are not my heroin. you are an angel that carries my weight. You give God his due. And I can only try to emulate your human love. I am fully blessed to know you,

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dana my love, there was a phrase we used in freshman basketball in which we were state champs although we our school was half if even a quarter the size of the competition. "we said mam and we said damn and hell and if you ain't into that we don't give a damn." Some guy named Williams made it a song. We were so black and so Chinese and so brown and so native that I do not even know which one I was.

      When they called me a niggar I happily kicked Some butt.

      We are not what they call us. If we were i am damn sure a Navajo.

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      Rich Kelley 8 months ago from The Ekklesia

      Dana

      You have nothing to apologize for. The statement made and I quote

      ((( GOD told me to title the book "NIGGA'S IN CHRIST" and I had no idea it meant "stingy of thought!" Thank's for that!))

      Eric giving his definition so she can continued to use inappropriate language only put ideas in her mind so as to justify her thoughts. If you have to explain something away nuff said. The lady is being banned from posting because of her language usage, that should be a clue that things are not correct. To use any language that is offensive to make a point today is a sad use of the English language.

      Her selected language use has caused entire threads to be deleted in the past. When confronting her with this information only leads to hundreds of comments justifying her continued foul mouth and language (with WORD of course). Some how talking like a street thug or an unrepentant sailor is OK for her but we don't have to believe that or apologize for calling her out on it. (like HP has)

      Your original comment ((God did not tell you that "Nigga" applies to blacks at all. God did not name black people "Nigga" it was given to them by ignorant people who had no respect for the value of human life. And, if I might add put them in a place of ignorance when they refused to teach them to read or write in order to control them. You talk too much Norine Williams. And, you are showing yourself to be the biggest "Nigga" of all, a person who tries to teach truth when the truth is not in them.))) was SPOT on.

      Rich

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Rich, you are eloquent and thoughtful a wonderful giver of yourself.

      May I worry for a moment. I grew up pretty tough and nasty. I was called wapp because I was clearly Italian. I was called Muck(meaning to be more derogatory than Mick) as I was clearly Irish American. Funny but I was adopted into an American German household (Dierker and Maier). So I was called Kraut. For some danged reason that might be explainable by an angel, I had really good buddies that were Native American, Mexican, Basque and Black and Melado. So they called me "Injun Lover". "Half Breed", Spic lover and Negro. I was born an illegitimate bastard. (not good in the 50's) So they called me that also.

      I have never ever been ashamed of what I am and am not. To me these words stand for respect. If you do not stand for something you fall into a chasm of despair.

      Now I am married to what some call a "gook" and my youngest is another half breed.

      I can track a man on pavement. I can track a bird in flight. I can do just fine tracking a man in a South Eastern Asian jungle.

      I think you get my point. A derogatory name is only harmful from those who are ashamed of what they are. I am a Christian Churchgoer. 4 folks here on HP called me that like I was a lessor man. But I am proud of what I am.

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      Rich Kelley 8 months ago from The Ekklesia

      We have heard it said many times "Children can be so cruel". My experience is that they learned it from the adults in their lives.

      The fact that you have been called many things and lived to tell about it has turned into a good learning experience for you but I'm sure you don't condone such things. The song "a boy named sue" is near and dear to my heart. I grew up being called Dickie by my loving mother and father yet as you more than likely know I didn't far very well out in the world.

      I too have been called many slangs only to harbor hate and allow myself to be manipulated by others, In time hopefully we all grow up. Today I try not to lance open scars with my ignorance. When knowledgeable adults continue to use inappropriate language I tend to have little tolerance for that type of ignorance. We have enough differences to over come without rubbing peoples faces in our ignorance. There are plenty of words that can be used without turning to racially caustic language.

      I do get your point.

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Rich, you know I really like Jesus, because in my heart, soul and mind, He is God and God is Love. So when that concept came to me slowly and then like a ton of bricks in the face. I began to care more about words. Oh fine, I am a big boy, I can provide and I can give advice and even life(1/2).

      So there is absolutely no presser or responsibly to use our words caringly and lovenly But there dang sure is a responsibility. One I take seriously not because I should but because I get to.

      Now you know I have a very special child who is in first grade. Just like in Emerson and Marshal grade schools the minority far out number the Caucasian. We are proudly Fighter Town USA. We proudly have about the 3rd largest Vietnamese American population. We are not miles from the Mexican border but inches from it. Our local Native Americans are now thriving. Our Arab and Chaldean communities do very well and co-exist well. (Christian/Muslim from Middle East) I just love dropping in on Little India and Little Italy(next door to each other) Our Korean and Chinese population revel in teaching us their cutlure in full. Oh, I asked my Black neighbor where little Black was. He took a nasty swing at me. Of course I backed but he also held a paused punch. We laughed to hard as his wife and son came to the rescue --- really not whiskey but lemonade as he explained the days are over. It is inner city criminals who the heck cares what color. He claimed that about 18 years ago he thinks it happened. And then he said that we did not fix such a problem -- God did.

      Go ahead and call me that mean and nasty slurful hurtful word. Yes I am a white husband of an Asian whose father was a paratrooper with army in a far away land.

      I reckon you might have something to say friend. I know it takes time but maybe just one is changed.

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      Dana Tate 8 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      Rich, I so much appreciate you backing me up. I detest racism of any kind and I believe it is the biggest injustice in our world. When I read Norine's comment all I saw was a bigot using God as a way to say what was on her heart. I was more offended at her using God than her actual "N***a" statement. It has also crossed my mind that Eric's explanation of the word provided her with a convenient excuse but considering Norine has such a close relationship with God and He knows her heart and motives, I'll allow Him to be her Judge.

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dana, please forgive me. I did not mean to put a false light on my younger days. In that respect we can never go back and never justify the wrongs of those in power a mere 60 years ago. Bad things happened because good folk did nothing to prevent it. I was just putting forth my young perspective.

      Let me bend it a different way. The Navajo and Hopi school age children that lived on the reservations were stolen from their parents and culture and put into dorms to attend school with us white kids. There was a constant barrage of "Christians" allowed into their dorms to convert them based on "charitable" works.

      There was the great Santa Fe, Atchison and Topeka railroad that ran through our town. It separated Black and White, as in the south and north sides of the tracks. Chinese ran laundries or cooked. Mexicans fared little better though they mainly settled our city. The Basque sheepherders children could not enroll in school without addresses of permanence. Yet they moved as sheepherders tending both the sheep and preserving the land.

      Do not think for a second that because a small boy saw all his buddies as buddies, made the world right.

      If in fact man is the child of God which I believe very strongly, then man is to grow. Our growth as all children is guided best by love. All other things I count as pollen that is wayward in the air. For without love there is no flower to pollinate.

      Though I know my grandparents were good and loving of all, I pray God that my children are even more loving and good than I was taught.

      So with all that said. A perceived name will never because of PC hurt me or my family. That sensitivity I reserve for those who suffer really.

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      Norine Williams 8 months ago

      Lord have Mercy on your ROTTEN soul!

      You are SATAN!

      GOD SEES and you and yours! You ALL will have to give in account of your hypocritical LIES!

      Isaiah 29:15 "Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?"

      LORD have Mercy!

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      Norine Williams 8 months ago

      You're HELL bound unless you REPENT (Turn to GOD) and with cancer, I don't see why you don't care!

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I am sorry to nice followers but I just thought this was too precious to delete. Is this a quote out a, say 1940's snake handler travelling preacher tent revival deal. I am seeing lightening and earthquakes and then a cut to a commercial for Dial soap. And then maybe a Chevrolet commercial and mom making popcorn and telling us little ones to cover our eyes and ears. Is this just total Looney Tunes?

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Sorry I have to approve this one also. Cancer? The idea here is that I have ultimately fatal cancer because I do not believe how Norine believes. Wow! I do not think one can respond to that.

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine, I accepted a couple of your posts. I did not overcome the need to censor you. I do not want you to think I make fun of you. But I confess I do a bit.

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Rich I do not agree with all you say. I agree with your wisdom. And I am forever grateful that you share it with us. I add a little prayer before retiring each night. It may sound silly to some and that is OK with me. I pray that God puts good souls in my journey to help guide me in proper thought. He answers with good men like you.

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      Norine Williams 8 months ago

      You wouldn't recognize "a good soul" if it bit you!

      When one gives WORD and you "DELETE," you don't want TRUTH (GOD IS WORD & WORD IS TRUTH) but ignorance that agrees with your way of "thinking!"

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      Eric Dierker 8 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Even with the screaming I will let this stand for your point is worthy of thought.

      Those who cause divisiveness within those who love Christ, no matter the exact doctrine, are not good for the understanding of our Lord Christ. Those that proclaim that their mouth speaks the only truth are hidden in the darkness.

      They shall not ever do harm to me. But they may do harm to those I love. I have never heard a valid plea to follow something that was full of condemnation. It just cannot be so.

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