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Eric's Sunday Sermon; Today’s Heated Debate is Good

Updated on February 8, 2017

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Maybe my childhood was spent half of the time in a holler called Indian Gardens

Please do not judge today, wait until tomorrow

I hate you and I love you!? We really need to understand that from the heart flows our words. And sometimes it is just natural that we get a bit confused because we hate you and we love you. And the worst part is that we do it nearly simultaneously. Easy now, do not hold your self a failure for doing this and do not hold “the other” accountable in this regard either. If you do not let the crap flow you will get colon cancer. Get some fiber and some prune juice and let go. We should never get constipated in our mental acuity because it may be uncomfortable otherwise. That which is held within is a much fiercer foe than anything from without.

Now let us deal with a concept that is very helpful in listening. Just assume there is a man, who as far back as early high school studied debate. Into college he studied it more and implemented it with logic studies and public speaking studies. Of course he studied the concepts dealing with argument, apology and debate both public and private. Rest assured he studied it in writing and verbally. Then onto Law School he goes and studies the finest orators and their techniques. He studies rules and protocols when it comes to the art of persuasion and the classic forms of logic along with global comparative logic and word use in argument. A doctorate in hand he enters a public, social media site to teach right thinking among his peers. After a month he declares “what a wild jungle out there”.

Perhaps he becomes a pro football player with thousands of hours or learning and thousands or hours perfecting his skill. No one would question whether or not an overweight middle aged man could compete against the pro. So why does a middle aged housewife with no study, formally or informally decide to take on the skilled in argument pro? We would never allow it in the physical but humans think the same rules does not apply to the learned mind? Amazing and even to suggest that there may be a difference is to hate and to be an elitists because even the most unpracticed mind has a “right”. And that right is translated into whoever can yell the loudest and use the most drastic language and be the most emotional.

Told you that you would not like this.

We just called them Caddydids, I love them

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I do not know of such things

So what happens when the skilled meet the very intelligent unskilled? Resentment builds and builds. Today’s culture will not allow the skilled to be given any deference. Think about that. Students billions and billions in debt to become skilled yet society will not recognize their skill. This is because it is insensitive to suggest that a person without a skilled mind may not be as skilled in thinking. We came up with a rule that said “we have the right to be as skilled a thinker as the person who is”. This could be called the dumbing down of America. If we respect and put a high value on higher education then we may become “less” than the educated in matters of logic, literacy and thought. And yet we spend billions of dollars to send our children to college only to reject that it did anything to make them smarter. This is total insanity. Yet the “chat rooms” and “social media” suggest we are all equally skilled at rational thought – so why in the hell have boards and licenses for Doctors and Lawyers and such? If everyone is just born with an innate ability to think well and relate well why in the hell should anyone go to higher education to the tunes of tens of thousands of dollars?

Just say a young lady has a degree in political science, as does my eldest. Well I studied political science in college also. But not as a major. Plus she graduated Cum Laude. So after graduation I could no longer treat her as my child regarding superior knowledge. Done deal, get over it Eric, she has superior understanding and knowledge in this area. She may still be argued with but now with me as the student and she as the teacher. After adjustment – Fantastic!!

In our world online everyone understands political science as well as one educated in it. Today everyone understands economics as well as one experienced and taught in the field. Oh for sure we have quarterbacks today calling plays from armchairs who are much more skilled that the pro team they criticize. And on my favorite topic. He who has never formally studied comparative religion, theology and philosophy and has never preached around such things is just as knowledgeable as the trained preacher.

This is the dumbing down of America. It is very dangerous and kicks into high gear the idea of someone rising to the top as a Populist. Scary.

Two concepts to think upon. It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear dumb witted than to open your mouth and prove it.

One cannot learn while talking.

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Friends in life not on every issue

Ben Franklin wrote a letter to President Washington about the French Revolution. He was our “Ambassador” there at the time, far before the Louisiana Purchase. Which means that we shared common borders at the time of the Revolution and the Letter. (that changed within years as France sold of the Land to pay military debt, and we stole it from France for pennies on the buck) So Washington made decisions of wait and see based on Franklin’s report. Franklin said: “a fool sir is still a fool, the mere fact that you gather them by the multitudes merely aggravates the situation.” We today should take note and savor and respect those with $90K in debt and a degree which helped teach them to think. Why do we honor and respect a stupid 90 year old and think they wise? But dismiss a 25 year old lady with a degree in the area of discussion.

Why do we run roughshod over someone clearly learned in an area, because they seem to support an agenda of someone we hate?

Hence my friends the wonderment of one person to another of something fake. Remember the exercise of 15 people in a circle in a room and we whisper a fact around the circle. And without exception to quote back to the original whisperer is wholly different. Embrace this my friends and do not toil over or hate the 7th person who got it so upside down or the 6th who repeated to wrong. The exercise shows our fallibility. Praise to God. If I as a human was required to get everything right, surely suicide would be the only recourse. And praise to our brethren who get that about me and you.

There was a time when I was down on myself for failure in matters better left to the younger; learning a new language and remembering perfectly. My friend told me to list all the defects and errors of my wife. Brutal but I listed them. And then he asked me if I still loved her. Duh, of course I do!! Great friend, bride and mom to my child. So my friend said to me “can you love yourself the same?”

What a wonderful thing, I can easy love me and my wife…. So I must, just must love those with another point of view in our politics. And I must not rush to judgment based on my bias.

Can I get an Amen, for all of you are my best friends. A good place to be surrounded by – Variety is the Spice of life.

What do you think?

Do you think that no matter what we are all equally knowledgeable?

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      Marlene Bertrand 2 months ago from Northern California, USA

      This is most interesting and the very thing I seem to be dealing with on a regular basis. All of a sudden, everyone I know is a political analyst. The other day I was talking to someone. We disagreed with each other on a political matter. All of a sudden, when he saw that he could not convince me to change my mind he said, "Uh, hello! Political Science Major here!" So, I suppose he was trying to say I could not possibly know as much as him about such matters. I simply shut up and let him talk, not offering anymore of my input. I believe it is not wise to argue with fools and I further believe that the person who talks the most loses the most.

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      Linda Lum 2 months ago from Washington State, USA

      Eric I think there is a good reason that our Creator gave us two ears and just one mouth. You can't listen to someone when you are talking (try it, you really can't), and who knows, you just might miss something while you are yammering away. Not everyone is an expert in everything. Be willing to listen. Take turns. Play nice (remember Kindergarten?)

      I grow weary of the political fighting on social media (FB in particular). It would be fine if we could just agree to disagree, but apparently that's not possible anymore. Civility has flown out the window. Why can't we just go back to sharing photos of our kitties, puppies, and babies?

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 2 months ago from Southern Illinois

      There are some people who are born with a high IQ, but if they're not educated how will anyone know? I'm sure Albert Einstein was born a genius, but it's written he had no common abilities, he had difficulty tying his shoes or crossing the street by himself. People who claim to know what's best for someone else is a braggart and bore. Like Marlene above, I learn a lot more by listening....

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      Eric Dierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Linda, I saw myself get upset at the stuff on FB. I actually was upset for spell and did not even look at it. So I asked myself what it was that made me upset and I found two things. The first obvious -- nastiness and meanness. But the second bothered me more. People putting out really lopsided points of view and then basically declaring any opposing comments as beneath them to even discuss. What I call the "this is my lopsided point of view but you are beneath me to discuss it with you" syndrome.

      Passive aggressive and overly aggressive are two attributes I do not care for.

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      Eric Dierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ruby I come from the fairly wrong minded way. Tell me to do something and screw you. I am wired that ways. Tell me what to think and I will hear you out. Rationally support your vision and I will definitely listen and try to learn.

      You can even argue a point of view through emotion and spirituality - I can still learn from you. And do.

      You for instance do not share my point of view on everything. But I surely as I write this, learn from you and call you friend. We never intentionally hurt each other.

      But here is the cool thing, I can overlook and still love the offender. And so I have learned to love myself when I am the offender. Then I can move forward.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 2 months ago from Southern Illinois

      I agree Erick. I was not referring to you in anyway. I learn from you each time you write your thought's. Peace..

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      Eric Dierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ruby your friends and family make me a bit jealous. I am sure they are delighted to know you.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 2 months ago from Southern Illinois

      Thank you..My son voted for Trump, but I still love him. People can disagree but still love the person...

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      Eric Dierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ruby, do not tell anyone, but, I voted for who my eldest really wanted me to vote for. I just kind of held her hand and said to myself; "It is her world now and I think she deserves my support as to how that might go".

      Mine now is up in the clouds. I want not.

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      Bill Holland 2 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Love it! Love it! Love it!

      Enough said!

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      Eric Dierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Bill, I was thinking of you as you are one of the learned I love to learn from.

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      wba108@yahoo.com 2 months ago from upstate, NY

      Intelligent people are the one's who create the most dangerous dumb ideas because they have credibility in one area and therefore are given deference in other areas which they are dangerously ignorant. Examples might be Karl Marx, scientists who promote evolution, celebrities who claim to be expects economics...... It's important to know what you don't know!

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      Eric Dierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      What a great comment. I just think of big bad wall street lawyers trying to to defend a murderer in New Orleans. I also think of my GP treating me for cancer.

      Or that favorite 'a politician telling me how and what to feel'

      Thanks for your observation.

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      Lori Colbo 2 months ago from Pacific Northwest

      Very interesting piece, Eric. Everyone's an expert on everything. Political pundits do some homework I suppose, and I do respect a few, but most of them are only interested in three things - being right, shouting down, and taking the moral high ground.

      I gave up social media last week. Too much animosity and hostility from both sides who are better, smarter, and right than the other. Social media is toxic right now.

      As far as intelligence, its not all it's cracked up to be. Some of the most intelligent people have no common sense. I dont mean that as a blanket statement, but its true in many cases.Knowledge is important, it's how you use it that matters.

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      Eric Dierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Lori, it is down to earth lists for me. Practicing mindfulness and yet multitasking. My wife kind of enables me to be "up in the clouds" as she calls it. I have to interact with people as that grounds me further.

      I still think that today my family of origin still thinks of me as a dullard. Youngest get that.

      A really cool part of messing around with intelligence is the humility that should come for being a bit weird.

      If it were not for love, I would be lost. FB is so strange. I have no perspective there.

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      Mel Carriere 2 months ago from San Diego California

      I agree that not everyone is equally "trained" to think. At the same time, I have known many people with impressive pieces of paper on the wall who forgot everything they learned in college because it was only a means to an end, and couldn't philosophize their way out of a paper bag. On the other hand, there are people with no formal education whose shelves are full of thick books that they actually read. Abraham Lincoln educated himself by candlelight by night in his log cabin. He turned out to be a pretty fair debater.

      We cannot rule people out as thinkers just because they don't have the proper certification. At the same time, I agree with you that society is afoul with people who think they know everything, but really don't know anything. A right wing co-worker of mine at work argued with me one day that Israel was a Christian country. I could not disengage him of this notion.

      The beauty of our democracy, I think, is that each man and woman is allowed a voice in the debate. We haven't surrendered our right to think freely to some self-appointed elite. Yeah, we are dumbed down, but the wise man can sift through the crap and pick out the kernels of truth in it.

      Great hub, preach, penned no doubt high in your philosophical ivory tower in the Sprung Valley.

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      Eric Dierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hey buddy, a heads up. A friend told me that the last capsule was a repeat. Quite bad as it left out the love part of this article.

      Mel, I am in the low low part of Sprung Valley -- My ivory tower is the big red T off the 125.

      You reminded me of that concept "if you cannot explain it to a 7 year old you do not understand it yourself". Something I am facing now is that dreaded saying to someone "you are wrong". Well that is wrong. The person is not wrong the idea is.

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      Mel Carriere 2 months ago from San Diego California

      I noticed the duplication but I thought I was just seeing double again, even though it was only about 730 at the time and I usually don't start drinking until 8. Hah! Great minds like yours are allowed to repeat themselves.

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      Tim Mitchell 2 months ago from Escondido, CA

      A well-written article about several great concerns today. I got a lot from it especially reflecting on my past experience. I pause with thoughts at "So what happens when the skilled meet the very intelligent unskilled?" For me, it seems one answer is, "but now with me as the student and she as the teacher" and another is, "One cannot learn while talking".

      Footnote: Howard Gardner's theory of intelligence used by our Education system today says there are ten forms of intelligence we each enjoy while some we have greater strengths. A favorite book I read is titled, "Now, Build on Your Strengths" where it says "Build on your strengths".

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      Louise Powles 2 months ago from Great Yarmouth

      I was really interested to read your hub. I agree with what lamb servant said, some people are clever but have no common sense. Very true that!

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      Eric Dierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Count me in on that. I was a walking mess, until I found meditation and being in the moment. But generally I just count on my kids and wife to pull me back into place.

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      Eric Dierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hey, Tim, what a fantastic weather day. I was just thinking that I could wear an Hawaiian shirt, a sweater or a light jacket. Shorts and sandals are obvious.

      Buddy I just love it when you drop by. You are one of the most profound thinkers that I know. It pleases me that you at least find some interest in my stuff.

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      Lawrence Hebb 7 weeks ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Eric

      This was good, but I have a question for you.

      Imagine you're going on a trip. You get to the airport and there's a brand new plane waiting for you.

      As you're boarding, the pilot tells you the plane was designed by a new designer fresh out of design school, no experience, but a raft of paper qualifications.

      The plane hasn't been tested, after all it was designed by a professional, so there shouldn't be a problem right?

      Add to that the fact the pilot tells you they've never flown a plane before, but "I've done the course"

      Would you board the plane?

      If you say no, then why would we entrust the government of our nations to 'qualified' but untested individuals?

      I agree with you that the hard work people put in through University should be recognised, but it needs to be welded to experience.

      The two go hand in hand.

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      Eric Dierker 7 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      A marvelous point Lawrence and I thank you for raising it. But you create a scenario that does not exist in our world. Clearly the "Pilot" would have to be a co-pilot first in the aircraft and that means a pilot would have tested it. Of course in absurdity there are deviations from the rational general point. Would you trust a lieutenant who had never killed any of the enemy? I would trust the Lt. but not your created pilot. -- But wait, I would trust the pilot, just not the plane or?

      In our wonderful country we just had 4 years of elite. Grads of all kinds of accolades and a president who never worked outside of gov. (short stint in a law firm he abhorred) Where I come from that means that he never held a job or realness.

      Well our country did not fall apart "the rumors of our death are greatly exaggerated ;-)

      And I listened and watched these vaulted academic types. My brother had a full ride football scholarship to a major university. Second year dropped out and now runs the longest continuous ski shop on our entire West Coast the he created and built. He is an accomplished actor, the foremost logistical river runner in the world and one hell of a smart man. No damned degrees for him.

      Exceptions to rules are what good men look for. But they are exceptions not rule changers.

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      Lawrence Hebb 7 weeks ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Eric.

      But in the world you were arguing for it would!

      My point was that there has to be a mixture of the two. For the pilot, in our world, there is. Two years getting a commercial pilot's licence, then five or more years as a copilot, then they can climb into the captain's chair.

      With regards to the military, in my unit, when I joined we had a number of officers who hadn't seen active service, the good ones knew it, and knew they had people under them who had already done a couple of tours (Northern Ireland or Falklands) so they listened to those people who in turn 'saluted' the rank the officer held (you're not saluting the man but the rank, or commission he/she holds).

      Officers are put through pretty tough training long before they get to their units to make sure they can do the job!

      I hear what you're saying, but there has to be both knowledge and experience, even if it's 'learning on the job'

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      Eric Dierker 7 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Oh for sure we agree. Just a matter of degrees.

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