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Eric's Thursday Sermon; Universalism 2

Updated on November 6, 2015

Mother and child.

Do you think the child who does not yet know the Lord gets an exception?
Do you think the child who does not yet know the Lord gets an exception? | Source

Elephant in the room!

We do not do much controversy here but it is important at this stage in this series. So I will try to keep it short and only touch on the one real controversy. Christians have a rift. It is generally considered religiously politically correct to espouse that the only way to "eternal" salvation is through the acceptance of Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. Without that it is eternal Hell or some stage in between in like a limbo.

To be fair there are exceptions to this rule. One I call the "had no clue" exception. If you were born in a village in North Eastern Korea and led a wonderful loving life, how would you ever hear the "good news"? Certainly you would in no way be "condemned". Our mental wheels and hearts are turning wildly now and must ask the question; Does that mean it is accepted that you only get the Holy Spirit and Faith through other men or women? Personally I got issues with that. I am sorry but that would mean that God has to act through somebody. I think we should lead our lives like that is the case and take on that responsibility but that does not translate into a restriction on God. Souls are connected through love and not written or spoken word.

So that exception might work for you. It does not for me.

This music just helps my mind to wonder without thinking of the music.

The day of the memorial service for my mom.

Mom did not go to church. But she made provision that have performed Eva Maria and sing How Great thou Art at her service.
Mom did not go to church. But she made provision that have performed Eva Maria and sing How Great thou Art at her service. | Source

What are you going to do about babies?

Babies have souls. You can say that all who are not saved by knowing Jesus will not go directly to Heaven. So what do you do about babies. You make another exception. Baptisms, Christenings and saying saved through parents are all different sects' ways of handling it. And then you can get into those levels of heaven and hell and limbo. They all work it out to where even the staunchest believers in "original sin" will not send a baby straight to eternal hellish damnation.

I think you can see where I am going with this - it takes a heck of a lot of work of words and legalism to create yet another exception.

Memorial Service for my best friend and sister Lauri's husband Dennis.

We loved him. And we love him still.
We loved him. And we love him still. | Source

What splendid beauty.

There is a man

There is a man I know who believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He has issue with the Trinity concept. And he balks at the notion of needing a savior. He has a personal relationship with Christ. He is a good man that does good works. He prays unceasingly. He just does not believe in the concept of needing to be saved by a certain "confession". In some sects this man will go straight to hell in the proverbial hand basket.

You decide.

Pope Francis

Let us just say this about the Pope. He is a cool dude. Oh and one other thing, a simple synopsis of who goes to heaven. God decides.

He makes it clear that we and the church he is head of must do our best to do our best. Churches are not the pathway. They can only hope to guide and give favor to all who ask.

But I can tell you this, if you really follow the faith as put forth by the Holy See what have you to worry about. But if you think it is the only path -- listen to the leader. Man plans God laughs. I personally love the tradition of the Catholic church. But the day some robe wearing monkey tells me it is his way or the highway is the day I punch him in the nose. And then I will tell the Pope on him ;-)

If you believe that there is a heaven and a hell for good people, then

If you are a believer in heaven and hell and that the only salvation is a personal choice of accepting Christ then you have no logical, faith based or theological basis for not carving out exceptions. I suppose that is cool. It could be said that if you believe we all carry on in soul in beauty and splendor after life in our earthly bodies then perhaps you need carve out exceptions also like the concepts of Buddhism.

Either way I think that funny little man says it best at the point we are on this. Probably man follies and God decides.

It is only fair at this point.

Your's truly believes. I think that the idea of the Holy Trinity is nice. I do not accept Christ as my personal savior so to speak. I accept him as a loving God who preached love. And I accept him by praying and conversing with him unceasingly. He does not talk back but He helps me to feel bad when I am not loving and to feel amazing Grace when I am loving. Call that what you will.

Now about knowing and accepting. I call that love. So if I love love then I love Christ, The Father and the Holy Spirit that can reside in all of us in the form of love. I know that sounds all bonkers and like a hippie dippie out of the 60's. But I can back that up real well with scripture that is purportedly right out of God the Son's mouth. And I have no reason to "dis" believe it. 1 John 4:12 just for starters and to end this piece: "No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us."

Rest well and thrive.

If you read this, regardless of opinion or faith, you are spending time with yourself contemplating good stuff. I believe God likes it when we do that. Pat yourself on the back and know that all good things reside within you, you need not look no further than your heart.


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    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Lawrence I think that we would be well off knowing the similarities between the old and the newer way of preaching Calvary. Differences are important but in looking at the agreed upon portions we can see what we have no need to argue about.

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      Lawrence Hebb 

      2 years ago from Hamilton, New Zealand


      That sounds a good idea, even thinking about it after writing the comment I was thinking we'd be able to explore some of the ideas and verses quoted.

      Thank you


    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.


      I believe that there are a lot of believers who have accepted Christ as the way. And yet these same believers do not necessarily buy into the doctrines such as saying it out loud is the only way. And it would seem that pulling one liners out of the Bible does nothing positive in reaching agreement.

      It would be good if you wrote some hubs on the matter -- it is the schisms that are more troubling than the doctrines.

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      Lawrence Hebb 

      2 years ago from Hamilton, New Zealand


      This was good 'food for thought' in that it raised a few things we often (we christians) try to forget, the exceptions to the rule!

      Personally I believe that Jesus is the only way but beyond that I'll leave it up to him as God likes to do things in ways that we don't expect and hey, he used visions in the past so why not today?

      I've thought a few times about doing some hubs about how the doctrine of what Christ achieved at calvary was developed (we didn't always believe what churches today teach).

      Great hub though, and I'll spend thecrest of the day thinking about it.


    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ann, I believe in the notion of hell on earth. I believe and regrettably desire for them and their kind to be there. Forever tormented; is something we cause ourselves.

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      Ann Carr 

      2 years ago from SW England

      You put forward these discussions so well, Eric. I agree with just about all you say, but just tell me this - 'Where are the souls of those people who just shot up half of Paris?'


    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Carpenter man told me "don't sweat the small stuff but work hard enough to sweat." I taught youth classes and catechism for a bit at church. I did not have enough time to cover all the good stuff. Why would I spend time on fire and brimstone and what not to do? Oh well. I just hate seeing adults who were raised to think of God as vengeful. Enough of me. Hugs Ruby.

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      Ruby Jean Richert 

      3 years ago from Southern Illinois

      God is love and when we love we know God. I was raised to believe in limbo, not purgatory. My grandma Minnie was a staunch Pentecostal believer who believed that there were different stations in heaven. My mother always struggled with that and it effected me as a child. I was afraid of God. I was taught he did horrible things to people when they sinned and everything was a sin. Now I don't sweat the small stuff. What is will be. I'm glad you are a lover of free spirit thinking. Thank you..

    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thanks Clive that means a lot coming from a free spirit thinker like you.

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      Clive Williams 

      3 years ago from Jamaica

      lots of things you said, many to consider. many things to think about.

    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Patricia, Your angels are surrounding my home with hope, gratitude and love. At times we seem so frail and loss of another is so brutal. But there is that resilience of the soul that both allows us to really experience beauty and yet be tough as nails when required. I have relationships with folk that just will not leave me alone in tough times. How much more so with our God.

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      Patricia Scott 

      3 years ago from sunny Florida

      Good morning, Dear of the reasons I come back here to read is your candor. If I wanted to read articles that were filled with topics that raise no thought within my mind, I would not return.

      This is so important. I do believe there is an eternal relationship for all who reach out to qualifiers, no 'buts', only that .

      I believe that God does love us and the way you stated it is spot on...

      to paraphrase...He makes us feel bad when we err and feel joyful when goodness prevails.

      Awesome Eric...Another stellar sharing...

      Angels are once again bringing blessings and hugs to you and yours ps

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    • Ericdierker profile imageAUTHOR

      Eric Dierker 

      3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Reynold, thank you much. This is a hard one to write without passing some judgment. I hope it was thought provoking and inciting of thought but not angst.

      The technical one on American versus the rest of the world view and comparative religions is not so easy to finish up.

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      Reynold Jay 

      3 years ago from Saginaw, Michigan

      Looks of great thoughts presented here, Eric. Well done.


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