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GOD DOES NOT CONDEMN, we judge ourselves in a mirror held by God

Updated on November 27, 2016

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God does not condemn, but heals with forgiveness. The Old Testament (OT) was written by Rabbis who teach of (1) Gods’ judgment and (2) a remitting sacrifice. Both of these theories are wrong.

The Father ran to the prodigal son while still far off, Luke 15:11

The Father always welcomes you, He does not condemn.
The Father always welcomes you, He does not condemn.

(1) Jesus did not condemn.

Refer to the teachings of Jesus in the story of the prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32) and the Adulteress (John 8:4-11). In neither story did the father (or Jesus) condemn the person. He did Not judge.

The father ran to his son and welcomed him before the son said a word. "But while he was still far off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion; he ran and put his arms around him and kissed him." Luke 15:20.

The adulteress said not a word of repentance to Jesus and He said, "Neither do I condemn you. Go your way, and from now on do not sin again." Repentance had nothing to do with the story. John 8:4-11.

Let us follow the God of Jesus, not the God depicted in Judaism (Old Testament). To be Christian one must renounce the God of the OT (wrathful, warlike, killer of children), the God of Israel.

Jesus said, "You judge by human standards; I judge no one." John 8:15

"Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get." Matt. 7:1-2.

Minister Z stated you should be afraid of Jesus due to the following verses, "And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me. Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food...." Matt. 25:40-42.

Jesus is NOT threatening a holocaust. There is no need to be afraid of Jesus or this verse. Here, "fire" means a purification or healing process. Look at the entire life of Jesus, not just one verse. Jesus healed with forgiveness. The "devil" is a reference to that part of your personality which is condemning. Purify yourself by adopting forgiveness and not judging to the point of creating negative emotions. Jesus is teaching a healing process.

Even while on the cross Jesus did not condemn anyone. Jesus said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Jesus healed with forgiveness to the end. So should we.

Do Not match Evil with Evil.

John 3:16-21New International Version (NIV)

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

Summation: Do not match evil with evil. Just because someone has hurt you or your country or your loved one does Not give you permission to do likewise. Instead, do as Jesus did, heal yourself with forgiveness of the other. Do not seek revenge. The condemnation is by the person doing the evil deed, not by you. The evildoer condemns himself because he condemns others.

Jesus did not condemn the adulteress, John 8:4

Let us not condemn
Let us not condemn

You will judge yourself in the mirror held by God

Condemn and you will be condemned, forgive and you will be forgiven.
Condemn and you will be condemned, forgive and you will be forgiven.

We Will Judge Ourselves.

We will be judged, but not by the Rabbis. We will judge ourselves by our own projections. It is Not God who will judge us, but ourselves. Stop projecting vengeance and anger and you will not be judged.

Sin is in the mind in the form of negative emotions (the devil). These negative emotions may be manifested in a sinful act. Sin occurs due to condemnation of others. Therefore avoid condemning others, as Jesus taught. If you have condemned to the point of creating negative emotions, then learn to forgive. Forgiveness is the way we heal ourselves.

See the Book of Joshua. It is the word of the Rabbis (not God) who insist they have been chosen and have a divine right to kill women and children, but be protected by God. The Rabbis also claim their land becomes Holy because they kill for it. The Rabbis wrote the OT, particularly Joshua, to justify their genocide of the Canaanites.

Animal sacrifice has never removed sin.

Animal sacrifice continues to this day.
Animal sacrifice continues to this day.

(2) Sacrifice has never removed sin.

The Rabbis also wrote the Sacrifice Theory. Originally there was animal sacrifice to remove sin. Now, the Judeo-Christians teach a blood sacrifice of Jesus to remove sin. The problem is, sacrifice does not and has never removed sin. Therefore the death of Jesus did not directly remove sin.

The death of Jesus did Not remove sin.

Sacrifice has never removed sin.
Sacrifice has never removed sin.

The resurrection (or NDE) objectively proves an afterlife or spirit.

The death of Jesus (or near death experience) did not directly remove sin; however it was needed for the resurrection. It is the resurrection from the dead (or NDE) which proves an afterlife actually exists. He could not come back from nothing. A place or condition must first exist before there can be a return. If one accepts the resurrection of Jesus, the afterlife or spirit is proved. Once the spirit is proved we should act according to the teachings of Jesus. Until the resurrection there was no objective reason to believe in a spirit at all.

See website IANDS for testimonials of NDEs. Search site for "vertical" NDEs meaning "verified." Also see Hub, "Near Death Experiences and what they mean."

A Near Death Experience.

Conclusion

Leave Rabbinic thought behind and follow the pure teachings of Jesus.

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    • Jay C OBrien profile imageAUTHOR

      Jay C OBrien 

      2 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      I will leave you to your beliefs of a wrathful, vengeful, war lord who removed sin by animal sacrifice and then a human sacrifice.

      I wish to part company with these ideas. Pleas do not write again.

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      AF Mind 

      2 months ago

      1. He told her to sin no more. And the Prodigal Son repented by coming back. The entire point of the parable was that if we come back to God he is willing to receive us with no condemnation.

      4. That is certainly one way of dealing with it, and commendable I must add. But let's add to the situation. Let's say at any sign of trying to run away or calling for help will result in him killing the hostage. He knows your beliefs and he is playing on them in hopes that it will result in his escape. You got a gun and you can take the shot that takes him out but you gotta be quick and for some reason, you cannot just incapacitate him. Who is more important? Him or them?

      5. I believe that animal sacrifices did, and when Christ died this practice was done away with. But they did work for a time.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      1. Jesus forgave everyone. Neither the Prodigal Son nor the Adulteress repented. Jesus (The Father) forgave them anyway. That is how healing occurs.

      4. Use graduated force on a continuum. Talking to someone is on the use of force continuum. Calling 911 is an option. Calling for help is an option. Yous could use a bear hug. Further, spiral them to the floor or ground. There are wrist locks, arm-bars and knee strikes. There are chemical weapons, batons and tasers. The key here is use the least amount of force required. You may not want to fight with the person at all. It depends on your relative size, age, gender and tools at hand (guns, knives, clubs). I strongly suggest taking a course.

      5. OK, so you believe both animal and human sacrifice removed sin sometime in the past. Is that right?

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      AF Mind 

      2 months ago

      1. And who did he forgive? Those who repenteD?

      4. I'm not asking you to teach me a course. At that moment, right then and there, with no training, what do you do? If your way right then you need to stop avoiding the question and answer.

      5. You can already tell what my answer is at this point. Yes, I believe they did.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      1. The entire life an teaching of Jesus was about loving one another, forgiveness and acceptance. Jesus healed people with Forgiveness. If you start condemning others, you hurt yourself, because we are all part of one body.

      4. Get up, go out and train in a wrestling form of martial arts. Take a course as prescribed by peace officers. You can do something at the time if the correct use of force is used. I taught the course, but it cannot be taught over the internet. You have to go take it physically.

      5. Do you believe animal sacrifices removed sin? Do you believe human sacrifices remove sin? Yes, No?

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      AF Mind 

      2 months ago

      1. Those verses are out of context. Read the rest of the chapter and it explains that we are not to be hypocritical in our judgments.

      4. Surely that is not the best answer you can give, because for one it alters the argument and two it does not say what to do. Let's say you did not, and the situation is happening right now. You gotta decide whose life is more important.

      5. Because not everything can just be boiled down to having an emotional problem. Harming someone itself is not evil, nor is it good. Why and how determines when the specific context of the situation is good or bad. The sacrifices were to provide a temporary covering of sins and to foreshadow the perfect and complete sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      1. You will judge yourself in a mirror held by God.

      "Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get." Matt. 7:1-2.

      "4. What if you can't move away? Or what if someone else is involved, an innocent person, and their health or life is at stake?"

      The best answer I can give to this general hypothetical is: Train as a Peace Officer. They do scenario training. They vary the scenario. Small changes in the facts change the approach.

      5. Evidence of what? Harming animals and humans indicates an emotional problem. Agreed? Explain how harming or killing an animal or a person reduces or removes sin.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      1. No, we go through a learning process as we are right now in this world. That is what we are doing here, learning. This world has both good and bad people in it. We need to learn to help or heal the bad souls to become better souls. People go though, "Hell," when they agonize over a decision (judgement). They must choose the good over the bad. Thant choice is a judgement.

      4. You cannot save everybody across the world. Know you limits. However you can teach them to help themselves and avoid violence. That is helping. Reporting a crime is also helping. Study the "Use of Force," policy of a police agency. Use graduated force without the intent to harm. It is possible to control someone without hurting them. Big subject here, study,"Use of Force."

      5. Sacrifice does not remove sin. Deliberately hurting animals or people is getting into S&M, an emotional problem.

      7. Every human being is a soul within a physical body. We are the soul foremost. We are all of God. A good Father trains his children without torment. If you believe your God would torture people, you have an emotional problem.

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      AF Mind 

      2 months ago

      1. So he does not chastise? He just makes everyone good towards the end?

      4. That's not what I asked. What if moving away would result in someone getting hurt? What if walking away would result in the hostage getting hurt, or even killed? Are you not supposed to help them?

      5. I believe that they served as an atonement for past sins for those who repented.

      6. I have seen some evidence against it, but I cannot say for sure that I do not as I am still researching the Bible.

      7. And who is a child of God? Not one who is wicked (Acts 13 10). Though he created them, they do not deserve to be called his child. And a good parent will raise their child in truth. They know when to be kind and they know when to scold. They know when to let something go and when to punish. But God is much more than our parents. He has perfect judgment and does not let the righteous go without or the wicked go free if they do not repent.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      AF Mind:

      1. My belief is that God is patient and our souls eternal, so He waits and encourages us to act right. Eventually everyone is accepted. The point here is that We should Not judge the souls of another.

      2. Yes, actions speak of the persons character.

      3. Yes, it may appear to us that during this one lifetime someone refuses help, but that is not the end. There is more than this life.

      4. We are not plants, we can move. Teach your people to: get smart, be alert and move away from danger. You can also travel in a group. Police departments teach how to avoid criminals.

      5. In the "Sacrifice" theory, people actually believe their sin would be removed by killing an animal or even a person. Ancient man believed this and wrote of their belief. I just do not believe killing an animal or a person removes sin. Do You?

      6. No, they are theories to explain events written about in the Bible. The word ,"Trinity" is Not in the Bible either. It is a made up word to describe God and his relationships. Do you believe in the "Trinity" theory?

      7. Christ taught that God is like a Good Father, Abba, Daddy. What would a good father do to train his child?

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      AF Mind 

      2 months ago

      1. Yes, to those who return. Not just anyone. Those who return or turn to him are not judged or condemned.

      2. Are not the actions of a person showing what they are like?

      3. What if they will not be helped? What if they have hardened their hearts?

      4. What if you can't move away? Or what if someone else is involved, an innocent person, and their health or life is at stake?

      5. You're just saying it's wrong. Yes it does not actually remove sin itself, but it was the process of atonement of past sins. If you're going to say it is wrong, provide the evidence that it is wrong. Don't just claim it.

      6. Where are any of those theories in the New Testament?

      7. I agree, Hell is most likely not a place of eternal fire. But just saying that it is purifying fire doesn't prove it. Where is the evidence other than that you believe it lines up? Where does Christ actually say this is what happens to the wicked?

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      AF Mind:

      1. Yes, the Father/God welcomed the son because he returned to him. The Father did Not condemn the son, but welcomed him. That is what God the Father is like.

      2. Yes, His primary goal was not to judge or condemn. He was teaching us not to judge another persons' Soul. We must make judgement or decisions in this world, but not of the Soul.

      3. "Do not judge, so that you may not be judged." We must judge in this world to maintain order, but do not judge the Soul. Instead HELP him.

      4. Yes, John 3: 16-21 does not condemn defense, because it is talking about not condemning a persons' Soul. The world will be save if you follow the example of Jesus: Peace, Mercy and Forgiveness. What is defense? The best defense is not to be there. Move away from a fight. Do not become enmeshed in the violence of others.

      5. Sacrifice does not and has never removed sin. What do you not understand? Animal sacrifice did not remove sin. Human sacrifice does not remove sin. People who thought sacrifice removed sin are wrong.

      6. Whether Jesus actually died or not is not known to me. It is possible he ingested a poison to temporarily induce a catatonic state from which he later awakened. This is called the "Swoon Theory." There is also a "Substitution Theory" where someone else took his place on the cross. There is also a "Metaphor Theory" which says we are to follow His teaches regardless of the material body.

      7. Matt. 25:40-42 The idea that we are being purified rather than being eternally tormented is in line with the other teaching of Jesus: Peace, Mercy, and Forgiveness. Being tormented forever is against the life and teachings of Jesus.

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      AF Mind 

      2 months ago

      7. I also meant to add, where does that verse about going into the fire say it is a purifying fire? What scripture can you use to support it?

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      AF Mind 

      2 months ago

      1. The father welcomed his son because he returned to him. And he was giving her another chance at redemption. Forgiveness existed in the Old Testament as well. David wasn't killed for what he did to Uriah. Also, the God of the Old Testament is not the god of Judaism. Those are two different religions.

      2. Read the next verse. John 8:16 "And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me." Context shows that he was not saying judgment is wrong. It seems that he is saying his primary goal was not to judge. But he says if he were to judge, it would be right.

      3. Read the entirety of Matthew 7. He was talking about hypocrisy.

      4. Not once in John 3:16-21 does it condemn defense. You're making it say do not match evil with evil according to your understanding of evil. "Do not match evil with evil. Just because someone has hurt you or your country or your loved one does Not give you permission to do likewise. Instead, do as Jesus did, heal yourself with forgiveness of the other. Do not seek revenge. The condemnation is by the person doing the evil deed, not by you. The evildoer condemns himself because he condemns others." So what would you do in that situation I detailed earlier? Let the hostages die or take care of the problem?

      4. "See the Book of Joshua. It is the word of the Rabbis (not God) who insist they have been chosen and have a divine right to kill women and children, but be protected by God. The Rabbis also claim their land becomes Holy because they kill for it. The Rabbis wrote the OT, particularly Joshua, to justify their genocide of the Canaanites." Where is your proof that they wrote this? And don't go on about ":God is good so he does not kill," actually prove that these are not to be there. Show me a verse where Christ says, "Joshua did not do that" or "Joshua should not have done that." Or show me proof that the Rabbis made it up according to facts, not your beliefs.

      5. " The problem is, sacrifice does not and has never removed sin. Therefore the death of Jesus did not directly remove sin." How is that the problem? How did it not remove sin?

      6. "The resurrection (or NDE) objectively proves an afterlife or spirit."

      Now you're saying he only had a near death experience and did not actually die?

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      Jay C OBrien 

      11 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Betty A F, what are you saying?

      Does God use people to harm other people?

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      Betty A F 

      11 months ago from Florida

      Jay C OBrien,

      That's not "the problem," that is your problem.

      I don't care what the Hindu system believes, I only hope that they will turn to God and believe His truth by accepting that Jesus is the only Savoir.

      There is a huge difference between thinking something is true, and actually knowing that something is true. And since you are among those who place their faith on "thinking." there's no way you can relate to knowing anything outside of your own thoughts (and opinions.)

      I'll stick with knowing that Jesus is the only way, the only truth and the only life, and regardless of what religion a person follows nobody can come to the almighty living God but by Jesus.

      That's the bottom line, and the actual truth.

      I get it, you are not a Christian.

      But I'll tell you, I've know a bit about the "one world religion," that you're leaning toward, and it's not of God. Not even close.

      How do I know? His word tell me so, and I'm sticking with HIM.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      11 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Betty A F, that is the problem. The Hindu think the Bhagavad-Gita is God's word, but Arjuna killed his family based on religious principles. I believe God (Krishna) does not tell you to kill your family. That is why I am not Hindu.

      The Muslims think the Qur'an is the word of God. Is it? Mohammad fought battles and killed for hid beliefs. I believe it is wrong to kill in the name of God. That is why I am not Islamic.

      The Jews think God gave land to the Hebrews and gave them the authority to kill men, women and children for the land. Jews think God fought for Israel. I believe killing, especially children for land is wrong. That is why I am not Jewish.

      Think carefully. What is the word of God... what Jesus taught: love one another, love your enemy, forgive....

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      Betty A F 

      11 months ago from Florida

      Jay C OBrien , I'm all about God's word. I have an entire article posted about how it was written.

      https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Gods-Word...

      I will NEVER deny God's word. My God is big enough and powerful enough to preserve it. I'll always stick with Him above any opinions of mankind.

      Sorry if that disappoints you, but if it makes you feel any better, even if an angel stood before me right now, and told me that it wasn't true, I'd tell him what Jesus said, before showing him to the door...

      I'll never deny God's word. Once a person has seen and knows that God speaks to us through His written word, there's absolutely no denying the truth of it.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      11 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Betty A F, can we agree the words of Rabbis is Not the word of God?

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      Betty A F 

      11 months ago from Florida

      Jay C OBrien, I'm sorry that you feel that way about God's word. I personally believe that God is great enough to preserve His word, and I will always go with Him, above opinions.

      God certainly can and does work outside of the scriptures, but He NEVER contradicts them, because God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

      Someone once told me that, "we must stand on what we believe because, if we don't stand for something, we'll fall for anything." God's word is established, and I trust Him, so that is where I will always stand, in Christ Jesus, believing that He is not the author of confusion, and trusting Him to show me and teach me the deeper meanings of the things contained in the scriptures.

      Best wishes

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      Jay C OBrien 

      11 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Betty AF, thanks for reading and your comments. Yes, the "Mirror" idea may not be completely accurate, but who knows what is? I suggest all negativity is of Man, Not of God. Understand?

      Q. What is the word of God?

      A. Go into your closet and pray.

      I am not limited to the Bible and neither is God. The Bible is a propaganda statement of the Rabbis to justify the taking of land and killing the inhabitants to get it. See Joshua.

      My God does not commit atrocities to people, especially children. God is Good and Not Evil. Do you understand that the Bible is Not God Breathed? Scripture is found in Prayer and Meditation.

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      Betty A F 

      11 months ago from Florida

      The "mirror," concept, the way that it is presented in this article, is not completely accurate. In-fact, the only biblical references that speak of any form of "mirror," are these:

      (There are a few others, but no reference to "mirrors," reject God's word as a being the instruction, or faucet by which a person is changed.)

      Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

      1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

      Isaiah 3:23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.

      James 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: James 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

      According to Paul, in the book of James and the passage above, the mirror reflection should be about those who are "doers of the word and not hearers only." In-fact, it says that those are they who "deceive," their own selves.

      We can't reflect the love of God, and reject His word, (His preserved instruction.) Rejecting His word would make one not a follower of Christ, who himself, (Jesus) quoted the written word over and over again.

      It's easy to verify by searching it out. :)

      The transnational issues that you speak of are not correct.

      I've studied this subject over the past ten years or so, doing version comparisons as well as studying the Interlinear bible, with both old and new testaments of the original Hebrew and Greek. I've found them to line up very well. The only words added are simple words like "the, and and are," which makes the translation an easy sentence to read, and actually makes perfect sense in the context of the original preserved writings.

      P.S. God is not limited to translations, if a person does what Jesus said to do, and "seeks Him with all his or her heart mind and strength," God can reveal His truth. Language is not a barrier. God's word is a necessity, and can't be left out of a walk in Christ. Even Jesus didn't leave it out...

      Psalms 119:9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      11 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Betty A F, thanks for reading. There are various translations of the Bible. The Protestants even took whole books out of the Catholic Bible which had been canonized for a thousand years. The point is to have a high Ideal/God.

      My God does not have negative human emotions. Such emotions are a Projection of Man, and Not of God. My God does not command or condone violence. God never fought for Israel. For more see: https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Atlantian...

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      Betty A F 

      11 months ago from Florida

      Some of the passages used in the article are out of context.

      "John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man."

      "John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me."

      The passage is regarding "man's judgment." "I judge no man." The carnal mind is not subject to God," it simply can't be." Romans 8:7.

      The scriptures are filled with the righteous judgment of God. His judgement does not make Him unjust. He knows every single detail, and only He could judge completely righteously.

      Judgement in the scriptures is a huge subject, and has many applications. We are to judge ourselves. (1 Cor 11:31.)

      We are to judge what we will believe, if it is of God or if it isn't, otherwise we'll fall for anything. (Psalm 118:8)

      There is even judgement within the "church." Paul was upset that one church did not even judge the wrongs done within the church body, and he told them how to handle those types of judgments. (1 Corinthians Ch. 5)

      It's best always to trust God above man.

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      Norine Williams 

      21 months ago

      I wish you would have told JESUS "NOT TO CONDEMN" when "HE tore up the Temple for money changers buying and selling therein" (Matthew 21:12) or do you feel it's OK to do so?

      GOD CONDEMNS "unrighteousness!" It's just that "man" wants to "think" (in order to "justify unrighteousness") ANYTHING GOES because HE LOVES US which is A LIE!

      I keep telling you "GOD "IS" GOD and HE created us to "Praise HIM" but IF we don't "HE'LL MAKE THE ROCKS CRY OUT" (Luke 19:40) to Praise HIM! Therefore, what does HE need 'us' for? "A rock?" HA! Either you get with HIM or get out of HIS WAY!

      HE "kills children" today! IF the parent is IGNORANT to HIS WORD and teach their children their IGNORANCE (aka 'belief') which has been "interpreted" wrong and not "revealed" by the Holy Spirit, they die (Spiritually)! HE allows you to teach children IGNORANCE which KILLS! What's so different about the Canaanites? Can't you "see" the metaphor? You and your seed and your seed's seed will DIE (four generations)!

      It time to "break the chain!" It's time to "BE PRECISE" in HIS WORD! It's time to allow HIM "figure it out" rather *you* trying! Did HE not say *HE* would "lead and guide us into ALL truth" (John 14:26;16:13)? Why do you call HIM a LIAR?

      Who cares about "an Afterlife" when "IN" Christ! We look forward to it (II Corinthians 5:8) but you MUST allow the Holy Spirit give you PRECISION in "understanding" HIS WORD!

      Blessings

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      Jay C OBrien 

      21 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      From Article: "If you have condemned to the point of creating negative emotions, then learn to forgive. Forgiveness is the way we heal ourselves."

      We must all make decisions in our lives, but we should not create negative emotions when we do it. Do not judge to the extent of making negative emotions. When you correct a child, do you abuse the child? I hope not. Child abuse is wrong and would create negative emotions for them and yourself. This would be a form of PTSD.

      Joshua committed child abuse when he destroyed Canaan. I hope we agree that what Joshua did was wrong. God did not authorize child abuse anywhere in the Bible. That is how we know the Bible is not always scripture.

      Is there an Afterlife? Proof is required. Follow the link.

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      Norine Williams 

      21 months ago

      Do you LOVE your children JC? Are you "only hurting yourself" when you "CORRECT" (aka "JUDGE")? Did you just "heal thyself" and not "JUDGE" when raising them? You speak IGNORANCE!

      If GOD is "Our Father" why doesn't He? Does He LOVE us less? Again, You speak IGNORANCE!

      Ask those who have had NDE! You think all of those LIED; especially a child?

      I don't worry "If there's a God or Afterlife" for HE is "IN" my life NOW and I am experiencing HIS PROMISES! You need to "TRY HIM" and you want speak so IGNORANTLY!

      Try "obeying HIS 'LAST' commandment (John 14:15) for the "CONNECTION" to HIM (Acts 1:4 and came in Acts 2:2) and you want have to try and "figure it out!"

      Blessings

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      Jay C OBrien 

      21 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      We are all children of God and connected to Him. As we judge/condemn, we are only hurting ourselves. Heal thyself, look not to the faults of others, but what they can be and the God within them.

      A related question to this is, "How do you know there is a God or Afterlife?" See:

      https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/My-Telepa...

      and

      https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Cayce-Pro...

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      Norine Williams 

      21 months ago

      "Judging" (According to HIS WORD) is NOT "Condemning!"

      IF you consider yourself a "child of GOD," I Peter 4:17 "For the time is come [and NOW IS] that "JUDGMENT" [LISTEN!] "MUST" begin at the house of God..."

      You in or out?

      Blessings

    • Jay C OBrien profile imageAUTHOR

      Jay C OBrien 

      21 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Yes, we live under Grace. That means we should not go around condemning people as Christ taught. Since God does not change, there has never been any other thought from God/Jesus. God never made any other kind of covenant. What the Rabbis teach is Not Christian.

      The Rabbis/Joshua claimed Canaanite land and killed men, women and children to get it. The Rabbis/Joshua justified themselves by saying God authorized it and Condemning the Canaanites as all evil. These are the falsehoods. Do not claim God sets Man against Man or condemn people and say they are all evil.

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      Norine Williams 

      21 months ago

      The Scripture of THE LAW is "old and broken!" We currently live under The New Covenant of GRACE and TRUTH!

      If GRACE is "Judaism," we differ in definition.

      I live under GRACE and you "The Torah" aka THE LAW; therefore Galatians 2:21 applies and "CHRIST IS DEAD IN VAIN" to you!

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      Jay C OBrien 

      21 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Norine, we are at an end. You quote Judaism. You believe the Rabbis and their Scripture. The "Scripture" you use is old and broken. Re-read the article and the quoted Christian Scripture with a high Ideal.

      Mature, grow out of Judaism.

      No more comments from you.

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      Norine Williams 

      21 months ago

      What you fail to realize is that I believe on the Scripture as it is written (II Corinthians 4:13)! It's not *my* job to "figure out" if it's right as you've tried! John 14:26 said the Holy Spirit would "lead and guide us into ALL truth" so you either believe *HE* will or you continue "trying" to "figure it out!"

      What's "old system" is living under THE LAW!

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      Jay C OBrien 

      21 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      I am not sure if I can be more clear. Stop following the Rabbinic thinking, it is an old system of thought. Rabbinic verses are scripture only to the old Rabbis. Grow and mature in your thinking of what God is like.

      People project their ills onto others and do evil. Stop projecting evil. No one is entirely good nor evil. Stop condemning others and you will find Peace of mind.

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      Norine Williams 

      21 months ago

      Are you saying that GOD did not allow "bad things" happen to ("man") those in New Testament to show "men" HIS wonderful works or "GLORIES?" Go back and "STUDY" Scripture!

      Why do you say "ALL men in a specific group or not evil?" You don't think ALL HUMANS are? Aren't we in a "specific group" (human/flesh)? When ANY "specific group" (e.g. Religious denominations) DEFY GOD, HE will DESTROY (via HELL) whether you believe or not!

      That's why we have to be "precise" in "rightly dividing" (II Timothy 2:15) HIS WORD in this day and age "...least we fall into the same example of UNBELIEF" (Hebrews 4:11)!

      "No one is totally good or evil?" READ I Corinthians 10:21! Can't be BOTH!

      Blessings

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      Jay C OBrien 

      21 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      What is "of God" vs. "The philosophy of men?" The Rabbis wrote their "philosophy of men" in the Old Testament. The OT is not of God, but of men (the Rabbis). We know this due to the violence in the OT. Do Not follow the Rabbis and their type of God! If you do you are Jewish. Do not be controlled by Rabbinic thinking any longer. God never gave land to the Hebrews or had a covenant with them or authorized a genocide or fought for them. The Rabbinic teaching is self serving and is a lie.

      Returning a good act for an evil act is "of God.' Study Abdul-Baha. He was a man, but the advice is, "of God." Abdul-Baha is near to Jesus and his teaching, the OT falsely depicts God as violent and condemning.

      It is extreme prejudice to condemn a group of people (Canaanites) and call them all, "evil." Joshua did Not act "of God." Learn to deal with people individually, not as a group. No one is totally good or evil. The Canaanites were not so evil they should have been killed.

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      Norine Williams 

      22 months ago

      You can "be of "one" spirit with the "organism ," but *my* GOD told me to "Try the spirits to see if they are of GOD" (I John 4:1) which makes "Abdul-Baha's" philosophy A LIE!

      Isaiah 8:20 "IF they speak NOT ACCORDING to THIS WORD, there is NO LIGHT IN THEM."

      GOD

      Who would you rather listen to "THE CREATOR" or "The philosophy of men" (Colossians 2:8) namely Abdul-Baha?

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      Jay C OBrien 

      22 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      God is the creator and the sole source of all the prophets. All people strive to understand Him and do so as best they can. The fact that prophets are similar is a testament to this. Hell is real and is a construct of your own mind both while living and in the afterlife.

      We are all a part of one another at a spiritual level. We are part of One organism. To condemn a part of you is to condemn yourself. Heal yourself with love and acceptance for all as the Almighty does.

      Should any come to blows with you, seek to be friends with him; should any stab you to the heart, be ye a healing salve unto his sores; should any taunt and mock at you, meet him with love. Should any heap his blame upon you, praise ye him; should he offer you a deadly poison, give him the choicest honey in exchange; and should he threaten your life, grant him a remedy that will heal him evermore. Should he be pain itself, be ye his medicine; should he be thorns, be ye his roses and sweet herbs. Perchance such ways and words from you will make this darksome world turn bright at last; will make this dusty earth turn heavenly, this devilish prison place become a royal palace of the Lord...

      Abdul-Baha

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      Norine Williams 

      22 months ago

      Either you BELIEVE GOD is the CREATOR or you can believe "the philosophy of men" (Colossians 2:8)!

      "Thy shalt have NO OTHER "gods" before me"(Exodus 20:3). Remember that one?

      "GOD DOES NOT CONDEMN" means there is NO HELL!

      Blessings

    • Jay C OBrien profile imageAUTHOR

      Jay C OBrien 

      22 months ago from Houston, TX USA

      Make thine own self the measure of others, and so abstain from causing hurt to them. Buddhism

      And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. Christianity

      Do not to others what ye do not wish done to yourself: and wish for others too what ye desire and long for, for yourself. Hinduism

      None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself. Islam

      Love they neighbor as thyself. Judaism

      All Prophets say the same because they draw from the same source. Look to the Source not the person. See God in everyone and love them, even the errant children, Grow and mature.

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      Norine Williams 

      22 months ago

      You ALL are ALL "IGNORANT" to HIS WORD! "Jesus drew from Buddha?" That's BLASPHEMY! HE SAID "No other gods before me" yet HE draws from an idol or another god? Is GOD a LIAR? Does HE "contradict?"

      It's so much "IGNORANCE" here it would take a day to "CORRECT" with HIS WORD!

      LORD! Have MERCY on "US" (humans)!

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      Zubair Ahmed 

      3 years ago

      God is for ever merciful as long as we humans are willing to sincerely repent and try our utmost not to commit sin's. I agree with your opinion "sacrifice does not and has never removed sin. Therefore the death of Jesus did not directly remove sin."

      In Islam we believe Jesus did not die and will return at the end of time to lead people back to the true religion and in believing the oneness of God.

      Good hub thank you for sharing.

      Z

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      Donna Suthard 

      3 years ago

      Yes, I agree lady Guinevere and God is within everyone, if only they would take the time to stop and truly ask Him, what should I say, and what should I do.. if we learn to do this, therein we would reach the most loving answer.. Instead of reacting defensively, we could therefore react lovingly and kindly to everyone we meet or even think of..for we are all connected to each other and to God, our most loving Father. Thank You!

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      Debra Allen 

      3 years ago from West By God

      Thank you so much for the truth in this hub.

      ladyguitarpicker God does not need anyone to work FOR him because he is WITHIN you and Jesus said that. Do you have children so they can work for you?

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      Donna Suthard 

      4 years ago

      Hello, This is an excellent hub!! I so agree with everything you write in this hub.You present excellent arguments. Jesus came to teach only unconditional love and not special love. "Love your brother" "Love your enemy".. Love thy enemy does not mean kill my enemy.. The 5th commandment was "Thou shalt not kill" There was never any, ands, ifs or buts about taking life. A loving father would never say kill your son for being a drunkard or for missing school, but I have personally witnessed the latter behavior in a father who was a Vietnam veteran who nearly killed his son for doing just that! I could never love a God who ordered people to be murdered or who would sacrifice his own beloved son on a cross.. What kind of love is that? Thank you Jay C Obrien!!

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      stella vadakin 

      4 years ago from 3460NW 50 St Bell, Fl32619

      Hi, interesting hub. Those who know God are the people working for him. I believe we all have a certain amount of time on earth to do Gods work or reject it. Yes, of course God is love and in some people you can not only see this love of Christ but you feel it when you are with them.

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      manatita44 

      4 years ago from london

      I know of him Bro. I have been following this kind of life for 32 years!!

      Thanks just the same. Peace.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      4 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Edgar Cayce brought the idea of reincarnation to the U.S. in the 1930s. You may want to read up on him.

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      manatita44 

      4 years ago from london

      Yes, Bro.

      Re-incarnation - the process by which the Soul acquires it's experiences in preparation for its final re-awakening in Oneness to the Divine Love.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      4 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      A related question is, "Is there an afterlife."

      If there is no afterlife, the concept of God is meaningless. That is why I included the section about the resurrection (or NDE). You may also want to read the Hub, "Cayce Proved Jesus."

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      manatita44 

      4 years ago from london

      Wise question and a meaningful seeker. This is a different and deeper question.

      My Teacher used to say, 'you have not chosen me' but I have chosen you.' I have explained Discipleship in great detail as one of the Chapters of my book. Chapter 9, I believe, in My Guru Sri Chinmoy: Life and Teachings.

      The disciples were chosen by Christ. It is Grace, God, or Guru which chooses or all three. Maturity is very necessary, then the Guru appears or sends His emissary which could be many mediums or God itself. He who chooses the Infinite, is already chosen by the Infinite.

      Of course everything else that I said in relation to Love stands. Nice question, Bro.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      4 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      I agree with you. Are we chosen or do we mature? If we are the ones choosing, it would indicate free will.

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      manatita44 

      4 years ago from london

      Love, Brother, Love in the heart. Those who Love God and are willing to allow themselves to be used as co-workers in His service (as I have mentioned above) I know of no other.

      The disciple is by very nature, the chosen. But then who is the disciple? Someone who listens, has faith, believes and tries to be an imitator of Christ. I am saying the same thing in different ways. Do not look for fancy words like 'chosen' or 'special,' not my way.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      4 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      manatita44

      You wrote, " I know of no other special people." Who are these special people, the 'chosen ones?' Example?

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      manatita44 

      4 years ago from london

      I have written a piece on the 'chosen' somewhere. They are those who love God, serve humanity and are willing to sacrifice for the good and elevation of mankind. They know they need God, and they know by Faith that God needs them as His branches to serve, to leave His creation better than they found it.

      Of course it is our Lord that does all, but the chosen are receptive and allow themselves to be useful vehicles for the benefit of mankind. I know of no other special people.

      The biblical scriptures, like all scriptures, are endowed with myths and embellishments which have their own functions. Our Lord is merciful and each will learn in his own way. Ley us do our part. Pray for me, and I for you.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      4 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Yes, inspiration may be found in the OT. Much of what Jesus taught was not new. Perhaps Jesus also drew from Buddha. Jesus focuses the teachings well. Where there is a conflict between the OT and NT, I will go with Jesus.

      I simply do not believe the Lord choose a people, gave them land and said, go kill everyone in the land of Canaan. There never was a covenant in The Book of Joshua.

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      manatita44 

      4 years ago from london

      A compelling Hub with many points I enjoy. I really appreciate this. Permit me to say though that with the eye of discernment, with maturity and inner growth, inspiration can be found even in the old testament. Everything is according to the Master's Will. Much peace.

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      Jay C OBrien 

      4 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      amer786

      The word, "resonate" here means to have a profound emotional impact. Condemnation is the creation of negative emotions. We condemn others because of the negative emotions within ourselves. Analyze yourself.

      No one is getting away with anything, we will judge ourselves. Jesus said, "You judge by human standards; I judge no one." John 8:15. The idea is to stop judging others to the point of creating negative emotions within ourselves. It could not be more clear: "judge no one." John 8:15.

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      amer786 

      4 years ago from Los Angeles

      "Yes there is evil in the world, but if we do not make the mistake of condemning, it will not resonate with us."

      Sorry but this is hard to agree with. Look at what has happened to many acts that were once considered evil and condemned but are now accepted by society. Perhaps this happens because we do not condemn. This includes promiscuity, homosexuality, pornography, gambling etc.

      My opinion is that Hell is very much of God's condemnation, not a pigment of our imagination.

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      Michael-Milec 

      4 years ago

      Hello jaycobrien.

      Interesting from the opening 'God a mirror holder'?! Well, The God, the Creator of the universe has revealed Himself throughout history of mankind , he spoke by the prophets in many various ways, but in the last of these days He has spoken to us in a person of a Son… - this Son is the sole expression of the glory of God- and He is the perfect imprint of God's nature, upholding and maintaining and guiding and propelling the universe by his mighty word of power… ( Heb.1:2.3)

      One who wants to present The God, goest to His Word, and by the enlightening throughout the Holy Spirit interprets the revealed TRUTH as it is already established by the righteousness of God. Yes, "God does not condemn" - anymore as is written " God sent his Son into the world, not to condemn the world but to save the world. Those who believe in him won't be condemn. But those who do not believe ARE already CONDEMNED because they don't believe in God's only Son.

      This is why people are condemned: The light came into the world. Yet, people loved the dark rather than the light because their actions were evil." ( John 3: 17-19) . Here you have it. All of us have it. " People who do what is wrong hate the light and don't come to the light. They don't want their actions to be exposed."(v 20 ). The God made it very clear ad left it to every individual to choose to believe , trust in His word- , Him alone - to live RIGH-teuosly after turning away from their evil ways. ( Repentance isn't scary word, is just turning away from the way of satan and coming back to the Father- Creator.

      ( The Gospels revealed all other truths , including the resurrection and the end time events…)

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      Jay C OBrien 

      4 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      We project our thoughts onto others. If there is a negative emotion within us (sin) it resonates with and we perceive it. Yes there is evil in the world, but if we do not make the mistake of condemning, it will not resonate with us.

      Hell is the condemnation we create within our own mind. God makes the mirror. The theory is that everyone will feel enough pain at their own condemnations they will relent and change. It is only a theory.

      It is true we were not at the crucifixion or resurrection so we cannot say for sure what happened. However, IF the story is true it would prove an afterlife because He could not come back from nothing. A place or condition must first exist before there can be a return.

      Is a NDE a resurrection? Maybe, it depends on whether you believe the reports of a NDE. Some reports of NDE's state the patient was clinically dead. What is dead? If you are clinically dead for two minutes you were still dead. I am only throwing NDE's out there because of the "Swoon" theory presented by some Muslims. If we can have an accord, I am for it.

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      amer786 

      4 years ago from Los Angeles

      But does God not condemn the evil and the wicked who persist in their ways and never repent. After reading you Hub, I wonder if you believe Hell exists?

      I liked what you said about following God's and His Messengers teachings and to be vigilant of clerics.

      I am not sure if the resurrection would be proof of after-life if it cannot be fully established that Jesus (pbuh) was truly dead. A near-death experience is not death.

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