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God is Christ, and Christ is God: A Biblical Rebuttle to "God is not Christ and Christ is not God."
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Was Jesus God?
If I am wrong, I wish someone to tell me. Who wants to go through life wrong about something? That would be stupid; thus I am always open to be shown I am wrong, so long as you can prove you are right.
I know it is hard to change one's position of faith or accept something different from what you have been taught your whole life. I once demanded a man leave my property for what I thought was blasphemy. He told me, "That Easter was a pagan Goddess and she was celebrated 2000 years before Jesus was born." I got so mad, I aksed him to leave. Later, I decided to study it out for myself and that is when I discovered... he was right and I was wrong. OOPS! Maybe it was I who was whoring after false gods!
You may not believe that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and this writing may not convince you that Jesus Christ is God, however, at the very least you will have to admit that the Bible says Jesus Christ is God. The Bible has a way for shedding light on our understanding.
A Rebuttle to: Christ was NOT God.
Hubpages author, Apostle Jack has published an article titled: God is not Christ and Christ is Not God. The position of the title, does not change within the body of the work. It stays consistent. I read in the hubpages user files that if you disagreed with a hub, to write a hub about it and state your position, so I have.
My purpose is to show with Biblical scripture, that Jesus Christ was God. The Bible itself maintains that position. I have no intent or desire to attack Apostle Jack, and I fully agree and support some of his other writings. Please this is not a personal attack, aimed at Apostle Jack. Personally I like Apostle Jack. I just disagree with him due to the following scriptures.
Answering Some Questions...
I commented to Apostle Jack on his hub that I disagreed with him, and he asked me the following questions. I am going to address Jack's question sincerely. I have not personally asked Apostle Jack if he believes the Bible, but since he uses "biblical references" as evidence that Jesus was not God, one could reasonably conclude that he does regard the Bible to have some authority on the matter.
Apostle Jack Asks: If you can explain Who God's father is, that is what I want to know. Who is the father of God. Who did God pray to in John 17th Ch If according to you that Christ is God?
This is a good question, let us look at the nature of God; In Genesis11:6-7, God says... " And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. "
God said, "LET US GO...". Who is God talking to? Is he talking to God the Word? Or God the Holy Ghost? In Genesis, God is speaking to himself in a plural sense, He is clearly speaking to the Godhead. Biblically at this time, the Godhead consists of: The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. (I will discuss the Godhead more below).
God does not have a Father, He IS the father. I never said God had a father. What I said and maintain is - Jesus is God. What I see you saying is, you do not understand the nature of the Godhead. So let's unravel this mystery.
Celestial Spirits of the Almighty's Eternal Godhead
I've never heard of "Celestial Spirits of the Almighty's Eternal Godhead" before I read it on Apostle Jack's hub-poster/photo. Regardless, here Jack refers to Celestial Spirits... (plural) of the Almighty's Eternal Godhead. Which Celestial Spirits is he talking about? The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost? If he is, then he may be on the edge of answering his own question. However, if he is not - lets give him a little push, shall we?
Jesus Christ Made the Worlds, Before He Was Born!
The very first verse of the Bible tells us:
In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth... Gensis 1:1.
Then, in the New Testament we read:
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds"; Heb.1:1-2.
Compare this with John 1:10, "He [Jesus] was in the world and the world was made by him..."
The very first verse of the Holy Bible tells us God made the heavens and the earth.Then we see in John and Hebrews, that Jesus made the world... How could that be? Jesus wasn't born for another 4000 years...unless he was God all along. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Was Jesus God? Good Video! 5 min.
While the word Trinity is nowhere in the Bible, the existence of a Triune God is ever present. Understanding the triune nature of God, will answer ALL of Apostle Jack's questions. As men, we sometimes make understanding the triune nature of God harder than it needs to be. Essentially. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are each equally and eternally one true God.
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and the holy ghost, and these three are one." 1 John 5:7.
Created in God's Image...
As a human, you are a triune being. You are Mind, Body and Spirit, each part is necessary to be one; all 3 parts equally making up one person. Why is it so hard to understand God is a triune being? After all, we are created in HIS image.
God is an entity with 3 Personas, each Persona of the Godhead is equally God. Each is necessary, each is distinct, making one God. The three appear in a logical order. The Father is the unseen, omnipresent source of all being, revealed in, and by Jesus Christ the Son, experienced in us by the Holy Ghost. During the creation, God the Father is the mind, the universal designer; Christ the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Holy Ghost is the fulfillment making it reality.
Both the Old and New Testaments discuss the doctrine of One God, and a Triune God... lets compare a few verses.
Old Testament: One God
“For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.” - Isaiah 45:18
New Testament: One God
“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well; the devils also believe, and tremble.”
- James 2:19
Old Testament: Triune God
“I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.” - Isaiah 48:16
In the above verse, God says He has been sent both by The Lord God (the Father) and by His Spirit ( the Holy Spirit).
New Testament: Triune God
The Lord Jesus said: “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.” (Father, Son and Holy Ghost in one verse) - John 15:26
We “see” God and His great salvation in the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, then “experience” their reality by faith, through the indwelling presence of His Holy Spirit.
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
“baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” - Matthew 28:19. Again, one God — three personages.
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. - Psalms 23:1
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. -John 10:7
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. -John 10:11
New Testament: Jesus is God
"For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father." - John 16:27-28.
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: John 17:1
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. - John 17:5
Did you catch that? Glorify me with thine own self which I had with you before the world was...
Jesus just said not only was he with God before the world was, but that he also possessed God's own glory...before the world was. Isn't that saying... I am God?
Apostle Jack contends that because Jesus is praying to the Father in John Ch.17, that Jesus is not God. However, in the very prayer in John Ch.17, Jesus says he possessed God's own glory. Granted, the verse by itself is not a powerful positional statement that Jesus is God in the flesh, however, add to it from the same book of John, verses 1:1 and 1:14 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." "... and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." It is now an iron clad position.
Nice Short Video with Good Solid Verses
Something More To Consider...
Why when someone is baptized, are they baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost? If the Son and the Holy Ghost are lesser in importance than the Father, why are they included at all? Why not just the Father? Could it be all three make up one God?
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? - Proverbs 30:4
Apostle Jack asks a question:
My Father is greater than I, WHO IS GREATER THAN God if as you say that Christ is God?
This was Jesus saying that God the Father was greater than Jesus' the man. Jesus had not yet died for our sins. After Jesus died he conquered death and rose. He will never die again.
Who did Christ call Father at the age of 12 Luke 2 v 49
And the Word was God, and the Word became flesh... Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, who prayed to God the Father in heaven.
The bible says that God was in Christ, not that Christ was God 2 Cor. 5 v 18,19
Actually, the very verses you use to show Jesus was not God...say that God was Christ.
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation." 2 Cor. 5:18,19.
If I am reconciling the world unto myself in Christ, then am I not Christ? Otherwise, who is Christ? How is Christ's death sufficient for the sins of the world if he was not God?
The Bible keeps on saying it...
Apostle Jack, the Bible clearly says Christ was God in both the old and new testaments.
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. - Jeremiah 23:5,6.
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. - Psalms 2:7
Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. - Psalms 2:11
Now lets look at some verses from the New Testament...
Jesus claims to be one with God...
"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." -Acts 20:28
Did you catch that? God, purchased his church... with His own blood. When did God do that? Something as big as God purchasing the church with HIS own blood would be specifically outlined in a Bible verse, wouldn't it? Oops... it just was.
So, who went around teaching that God purchased His church with His own blood?
Is Apostle Jack the Last Apostle on Earth?
Personally, I do not know Jack Alvin Fossett, aka Apostle Jack. Nor have I any vendetta against him or malice toward him. Jack lays claim to being the last true apostle on earth. Surely the Mormons would love to hear about that. Mormonism teaches that the Apostle Paul is still alive roaming the earth, teaching Mormonism. Perhaps Apostle Jack could find Apostle Paul and together they could set the world straight, we could have a Jesus era revival!
If you're look at Apostle Jack's hubpage photo closely, you can read the following:
In Presentation of the Almighty's Created Godhead, My Apostleship, Authentic Christianity, Spiritual Celestial Existence, and the 7 Hidden Seals of BEV.'s
Called, Taught, Prepared, and Now Sent Forth To and For World Population, Concerning the Unknown, the Unlearned, and the Unreavealed Knowledge of Our Existence.
For the Breaking of the Yoke, New Introduction of School.
The Final Har---t. (Unreadable letters)
The New Covernant. Until Now (Covenant misspelled?)
Birth-Right to Apostleship. Just a Messenger.
Major Apostle of the Anointed Celestial Spirits of the Almighty's Eternal Godhead, the Staff has been Passed, The Education Endowments From Him to My Spirit. The Last of the Majors, The Spirit Jack Alvin Fossett.
If I understand correctly: God has personally selected Jack before birth, educated him (Jack) from His (God's) spirit, and sent him forth to the world concerning the unknown, the unlearned, and the unrevealed knowledge of our existence.
Called, Taught, Prepared, and Now Sent Forth...
You claim to be the Last of the Majors, THE Major Apostle of the Anointed Celestial Spirits of the Almighty's Eternal Godhead; that you have been: Called, Taught, Prepared, and Sent Forth, that the Staff has been Passed, the Education Endowments from HIM to your Spirit, Your Birth-Right to Apostleship.
World Created By Jesus Christ...
"Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:" - Ephesians 3:8-9
Let's Ask Paul... "Paul, is Jesus, God?
"(Jesus Christ) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;" Collossians 1:14-19.
The Lamb of God, King of Kings, Lord of Lords
A few more verses showing Jesus is God...
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. -John 1:29
And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! - John 1:36
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:- 1Peter 1:19
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. -1Corinthians12:3
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. - Romans 9:5These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. - Revelations 17:14
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. - Revelation 19:13-16
Question: Is God King of Kings and Lord of Lords? Or is Jesus Christ? One would reason God the Father is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, but the Bible says Jesus is. Then again, it also Jesus is God, this seems pretty consistent.
Apostle Paul Says Jesus IS God... So Does Apostle Thomas...
In Revelations 1:8 Jesus says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Jesus just said, "I am Alpha and Omega... the Almighty."
Is Jesus blaspheming God? The Jews thought so... do you?
"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Isaiah 44:6
Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. Isaiah 44:8b.
Ever hear the term, Doubting Thomas? Know where it came from?
"And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." John 20:26-28.
Here we see Thomas calling Jesus God. WHOA NELLIE!... Thomas walked with Jesus for over 2 years. He learned from him every day, in person.
You say Jesus is not God.
So are we to believe then that Thomas, one of the orignal 12 hand-picked Apostles of Christ, having walked with Jesus for over two years, didn't know Jesus was not God?
Apostle Jack... Apostle Thomas, called Jesus, "God" and Jesus did not correct him on it. Thomas walked with Jesus when Jesus was on the earth in the flesh.
"And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep."
Jesus knows all things... how could that be if he is not God?
I AM THAT I AM...
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. - Exodus 3:14
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am.
Then took they up stones to cast at him... John 8:57-9
Why do you think that was?
"If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;
and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" John 14:7-9
Mountains of Evidence! Lets look at Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
Romans 1:20 says God's attributes, power, and nature, can be clearly seen in creation. Has God left His fingerprints on creation? Of course He has.
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. - Hebrews 1:1-12
Old Testament Prophesy of Christ's Crucifixion:
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. - Psalms 22:16-17.
God says HE is the Saviour:
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God. -Isaiah 43:10-12
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. - Isaiah 45:22-23
JESUS CHRIST THE SAVIOUR I AM
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. -John 14:6
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; - Philippians 2:9-10
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. - Acts 4:10-12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. [Hebrews 4:12]
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. [2 Timothy 2:15
THE FINAL NAIL IN THE CROSS!
Apostle Jack, We Have a Major Problem Here... If You Are Correct, You Have No Saviour, Nor Do ANY of US. We Are All Doomed, ALL IS LOST!
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them,
Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying,
For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. - John 10:28 - 10:33
WHOA! If Jesus was not God - HE JUST SINNED!
Apostle Jack, you say Jesus is not God. If he is NOT God, then he is guilty of blasphemy against God for claiming to be God. He is guilty of sin, he is no longer sinless, neither can he pay the price for your sin or anyone else's, thus all is lost! YOU NO LONGER HAVE A SAVIOUR! NONE OF US DO!
However, my dear friend Apostle Jack, you are wrong and we can all relax. Though, having made all the claims about yourself as being called, prepared, sent unto the world by God himself, how the staff as been passed etc... You might want to double check on that.
After reading his work, I believe Apostle Jack has a strong heart and a deep love for God. Based on scripture, he is simply mistaken on who Jesus is. "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth." - 2 Timothy 2:15.
I caution anyone, not to be following out of ignorance!
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:23-24.
Hallelujah, Praise Jesus, He is Lord of All Things.
Thank you for reading, God Bless Everyone!
Apostle Paul said something else very interesting too...
"For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Acts 20:29-30