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'Hereafter' does it really exist?

Updated on October 29, 2016
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Loving God and loving mankind is an important part of who I am, in these hubs we explore what it's like to really follow Jesus.

Can Science prove life after death?

The last few weeks I've been reading a few hubs (as we do here on Hubpages!) that have left me somewhat frustrated and wanting to put a reply much more fully than we can in the normal comments. That's left me really with only two choices.

1. Ignore the hubs and carry on. Anyone who knows me knows that's not something I tend to do, and to be honest (even at the risk of offending some) this is actually a subject that for me is too important to 'just walk away from'.

2. Write a hub in reply. Well, here it is!

There are times when I can ignore some of the things in hubs, times when I might not agree with what they're saying, but still can see what they're saying. However there are times when it shouldn't be ignored, I think this is one of these times!
Is there really a 'Hereafter' or is it just 'Pie in the sky when you die?' The hubs I read recently argued that there isn't and basically said science overwhelmingly points to there not being!

Okay, I can accept people have that view, but what does science say about it?You all know what I believe by now so I won't waste time telling you what I think, what I did was Google the following question.'SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FOR LIFE AFTER DEATH?' and was stunned with the results!

Can science really prove there's life after death?

We've often said here, in the 'heated debates' that science can't prove either way! Well, it turns out we were wrong, science has had a lot to say on the subject, but we haven't really been listening! We've been too pre-occupied with our own views and trying to 'prove points' that we missed what science has been telling us for a long long time.

Before I go any further, I want to point out that I do believe in the two, and as I looked into this subject I've had a 'bumpy ride' reading up on it for the last couple of days. I'm not expecting to convince anyone in any way, but I wanted to present the evidence in a way that people will realize that there really is scientific evidence that helps us know whether they exist.

Death is a depressingly inevitable part of life, but now scientists believe they may have some 'light at the end of the tunnel'. The largest ever medical study into near-death experiences and out-of-body experiences has discovered some awareness may continue even after the brain has shut down completely

— Google

Is it real?

Are the ancient books right about this?
Are the ancient books right about this?

The results

I googled the question using the 'speaking feature' on a smartphone, and literally. that's what Google recited back to me (in a mechanically female voice that only Google can create)

I got 2.5 million hits on the subject, but the ones that piqued my interest were the top ten as they all referred to a study done by Southampton university and a hoax that was put out claiming that scientists in Germany had proved life after death.

As I said the information on the web about the experiment in Germany (supposedly completed earlier this year on 994 volunteers) is a hoax and while I mention it here, I won't be referring to it again in this hub.

Do we really have a soul?

This is linked to the idea of an afterlife and we'll explore that a little too.

The Study

The study was carried out by the University of Southampton and involved fifteen hospitals in three countries (The USA, The United Kingdom, and Austria). They took the information from 2,060 people who suffered cardiac arrest. Of those 2,060 about 330 were resuscitated and it's these people whom the study was based on.

The study itself was reported in the journal 'Resuscitation'

39% said they felt some form of awareness during resuscitation (this is despite the fact that in each case the Brain had stopped functioning and they were 'clinically dead')

13% said they felt the separation of the spirit from the body.

13% said there was a 'heightening of the senses'

1 said he was 'sat in the corner' watching the hospital staff work on his body for three whole minutes (they worked this out because one of the monitors they were using has a safety feature built in that sounds a beep after three minutes and he told them he heard two beeps from the machine!)

Here's what the Doctors say.

Death is a process that can be reversed. When it is we call it cardiac arrest, but when it passes to the irreversible, then it becomes death. Once the heart stops beating the brain only continues to function for 30 or so seconds, then it 'switches off'

If that's the case, then how do you 'reboot' the brain when all life is gone?


Another researcher into NDEs

Sam Parnia himself talks us through

The leader of the study said this! (he should know)

“We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating,” said Dr Sam Parnia, a former research fellow at Southampton University, now at the State University of New York, who led the study.

Let's be honest

I did eventually find a site that critiqued the study and found some pretty important flaws in the recorded data (misleading headlines from the press, none of the criteria they set up for examining if it was possible worked as they all happened outside the rooms specially equipped for the study etc.

They also pointed out that while the idea the brain continued to function and there was some form of awareness (despite being 'clinically dead') is significant it doesn't prove life after death, REALLY?

I wonder how they're going to cope with the next piece, the experiment?

Do we have a soul?

Actually, before we decide on the question of whether Near Death Experiences are real, we first have to decide on whether we actually have a soul, or is it a 'trick of the brain?'

Linked to the idea of the idea of life after death is the idea that living things have a 'soul' that might carry on after the body has ceased to function, is that possible?


According to science, not only is it possible, but a number of prominent physicists the soul actually HAS TO EXIST! Not just that they think it does, but the laws of physics (Thermodynamics) and quantum mechanics dictate the soul has to exist!Before we go any further, here are the scientists (past and present) along with where they work or worked!1.

1. Dr Hans-Peter Durr (1929-2014) former director of the Max Planck institute for physics. He taught the existence of a universal quantum code that pertains to all living and dead things. Basically, with quantum mechanics, subatomic particles can be in more than one place at the same time, as with the theoretical 'Higgs-bosun' particle. Durr argued that in experiments the same has been observed in complex compounds. The 'quantum code' is also everywhere and when a thing dies the 'code' (our memories) returns to the 'quantum state'2.

2. Dr Christian Hellweg. Worked at the Max Planck institute for Biochemical research. He has researched the idea that each part of our cells also have a 'memory' that is stored and retained, but when the body dies the 'memory' returns to the 'quantum state'.

3. Dr John Archibald Wheeler. (1911-2008) Physicist (Princeton) and colleague of both Einstein and Nils Bohr (the father of Quantum physics) “Many scientists hoped…that the world, in a certain sense, was traditional – or at least free of curiosities such as large objects being in the same place at the same time. But such hopes were crushed by a series of new experiments.”

4 Dr Robert Jahn (Princeton) head of the 'PEAR' project (Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research research into how the Human mind can interfere with machines that the Human may be interacting with simply by 'wishing' for a result. He has been working in this field for 30 years and is a 'plasma physicist'

5 Dr David Bohm (1917-1992) Worked with Einstein on the Manhattan Project, then was his assistant at Princeton before taking up a professorship at the University of Sao Paolo and eventually the University of Bristol.

In collaboration with Stanford neuroscientist Karl Pribram, Bohm was involved in the early development of the holonomic model of the functioning of the brain, a model for human cognition that is drastically different from conventionally accepted ideas.[4][not in citation given] Bohm worked with Pribram on the theory that the brain operates in a manner similar to a hologram, in accordance with quantum mathematical principles and the characteristics of wave patterns

These are just five names of prominent scientists that I found in one article run by the Huffington post!


What do you think?

Do we really have a soul?

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How does this all link together?

I forgot to put this is the hub originally, but here's why I say science says that the 'soul' has to exist.

'Consciousness' is regarded as being the result of electrical activity in the brain, it's not a chemical process or even the result of a chemical process (no chemical activity that creates electricity has been observed as far as I'm aware!)

That means that 'consciousness' is a result of energy.

The first law of Thermodynamics states that matter and energy can neither be created or destroyed, they can only be transformed. When we die the physical body isn't destroyed, but slowly decomposes, in other words, it is slowly transformed back into the original state of the component atoms, but what happens to the energy?

Energy can't be created or destroyed, so it has to transform! The idea of a soul that lives on is the idea that the energy that was 'consciousness' transforms itself and continues to exist. Some religions teach that it's re-absorbed back into the 'divine' (Hinduism and Buddhism) but others (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) all teach that it remains separate from 'God' but resides either with him or in a place he has appointed for it.

That is why I believe that science says the soul has to exist, because of the fundamental laws of Physics and Thermodynamics.

That's enough for this hub

It's probably not a question that many of us like to think about, but some of the things that are written here throw the whole idea into question without really even looking at the evidence. In this hub, I wanted to present that evidence, at least the few pieces that I could find in the space of just over a day.

I say that short timeframe to let you know that there's a lot more evidence out there if we'll just take the time to look for it.

My Dad always taught me to respect the other people's point of view, but if they challenge yours then make sure you defend what you believe but in a way that respects others beliefs and is willing to learn from them. I hope that people when they're reading this hub, will see that, and honor it.

Blessings

Lawrence

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      Robert Sacchi 7 months ago

      Interesting, this is a different approach than the normal discussion on the subject.

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      Paladin_ 9 months ago from Michigan, USA

      No problem and no foul. I think I get your meaning, and we'll leave it at that...

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      Error ! Tried to fix it but it stayed.

      That is the truth never changes , people change the truth !

      The error is that people can change because of truth.

      To many people in the sentance made the statement error !

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      Yes I said it , and I will say it as long as I live

      The truth does not never change people. People change the truth.

      No that concocted word you use fits your meaning and opinions , when a human can stop the sun from working ,he can not , stop the moon, he can not, stop his own planet from internal destruction , he can not,

      Feed every human on this planet , he can not.

      Make everybody happy , he can not, the results are end , soon what humans need will be usherd in by our Heavenly Father.

      So welcome that Change. welcome King Jesus!

      Welcome THE UNIVERSAL SOVEREIGN

      JEHOVAH !

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      Paladin_ 9 months ago from Michigan, USA

      Well, Kiss, you see you've inadvertently hit upon the problem. You say you "speak in truth not debates." Yet what you consider "truth" is considered by a great many of us absolute falsehood. Hence, the necessity of debate.

      I'll offer you a parting thought. You assert that "nothing man can say convences (sic) me that he is right over our Heavenly Father." Yet EVERYTHING you claim to know about your "heavenly father" -- including his very existence -- was concocted by men. If you choose to embrace SOME of the nonsense that humans create while rejecting the rest, that's fine. But don't call it truth. And certainly don't assert that it's not debatable.

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      Paladin as long as our schools , colleges , scientific data uses globes , charts , maps that show this fact , then you are wasting time arguing. Human error is what it is and exist. also if man had all the correct answers no one would be sick, no one would be poor. Global peace would be possible, but humans

      Wisdom is very limited to humans not our creator and Universal Sovereign. So debates mean nothing , gets nothing done , heals nothing, does not solve wars and never brings peace,

      I speak in truth not debates, this sytem of human powers has fail as our creator has allowed them to prove themselfs they have with failure as written and documented in history.

      The point is humans do not give you a future they give you nuclear destruction.

      As long as that exist then nothing man can say convences me that he is right over our Heavenly Father.

      As Forest Gump would say thats all I got to say about that. My last reply to you paladin in respect to Lawrence you can find another to engage.

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      Paladin_ 9 months ago from Michigan, USA

      Kiss, my biblical quotes -- as well as your own -- most certainly SUGGEST that the earth is flat. After all, there are NO CORNERS on a round earth, and certainly not on a sphere (or, more correctly, a spheroid).

      But that's a relatively minor point. My main bone of contention is with your claim that "...Science has only proven our Heavenly Father was right from the beginning of time..." My examples, and my comments, were simply a warning shot, for I have no desire to sidetrack Lawrence's hub with a lengthy, unrelated debate over science and religion.

      But that doesn't mean I won't respond to outrageous statements. We both are quite well aware that there are those among us who agree and vehemently disagree with your claim. And for some of us, it is too egregious a fallacy to simply let it stand unchallenged. Surely, you were aware of this when you made the statement.

      That said, I'm willing to leave it alone. But if you wish to pursue the topic further, I can certainly offer a vigorous (and civil) challenge!

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Kiss

      Fair enough. We've known the rough dimensions, weight and shape of the earth since about 400BCE.

      I don't mind people debating on hubs and even when we disagree. I just want to make sure we stay respectful.

      You're both good friends who at times disagree with me, and that's cool that we can do that.

      Lawrence

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      Lawrence I was doing just find until he comes along and not respect my comment.

      By saying I am opening a debate.

      No I just listed a point that is very clear that even science agrees to that the earth is round.

      Sorry Lawrence this means no respect to you

      But I must speak up if one is saying I am in error of truth.

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      Now Paladin I make sure I read scriptures people post. First every scripture you show does not say the earth is flat, but you seem to try to indicate the four corners mean flat, not so, because our globes that are scientific show four points as well

      North ,south, east , west, and even science is saying we all round so your logic does not fit ,nore the scriptures because not one says the earth is (Flat) you have open a can and pUT your own worms in.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Kiss and Tales

      I'm allowing the comment as it's an opinion, but I'd like to ask you both to respect each other's views.

      Lawrence

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      Paladin the earth is not flat . It is only flat from a human perspective but the one who looks down on his creations as grass hoppers says the truth.

      That's all to it.

      You can say and believe what you wish.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Paladin and Kiss and Tales

      Thanks both for the comments. I'm quite happy for you both to debate it here, but I'd ask you both to respect the fact that you will probably still disagree with each other! :-)

      The idea of the hub was to look at what science does say and some scientists who put forward theories on the existence of the soul.

      Lawrence

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      Paladin_ 9 months ago from Michigan, USA

      Kiss, that's quite a bold and encompassing statement. Do you really wish to open a debate on whether "science" proves that God "was right from the beginning of time?" I'd be more than happy to provide an overwhelming assortment of evidence to the contrary.

      For example, with regard to a "flat earth," the verse you quote from Isaiah actually DOES suggest that the earth is flat:

      "...It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in..."

      There are others that offer the same "flat earth" point of view, such as Job 28:24, Job 37:3, Job 38:12-13, Isaiah 11:12, Jeremiah 16:19, Daniel 4:10-11, Matthew 4:8 and Revelation 7:1.

      Let's really not open that can of worms...

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      Science has only proven our Heavenly Father was right from the beginning of time.

      It was written that a thought by man the earth was flat. But the word of our Heavenly Father told the truth it was round , Isaiah 40:22.

      Other things about how the earth recyles its water sources , its no way this just happens.

      All things are organized for our care and well being. Science does not have all the answers but our Heavenly Father does he created it all.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Bill

      I appreciate where you are coming from, and as a fellow believer I agree with you.

      The hub is tailored more for those who are 'skeptical' and either want some tangible evidence, or claim 'There is none' and I wanted to lay out what science REALLY SAYS

      I don't think science can answer all the questions, but it can point us in the right direction.

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      William Kovacic 9 months ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

      Interesting read, Lawrence. Hope you don't mind me adding my two cents. After going through the Bible for several years and learning I can trust God in all matters, I don't really need science to confirm what God has already said, but it's interesting nonetheless.

      We are told in Genesis 2:7 and Job 33:4 that God's breath is within us. His breath is eternal. That's why He can promise to all who come to His Son (Jesus) eternal life (John 3:16).

      For those who reject His Son, life is still eternal. So the question becomes where will one spend eternity? Ephesians 2:8, 9 gives the answer to that also.

      Loved the videos - very informative, and thanks for your post.

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      You welcome Lawrence .

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Kiss and Tales.

      I think you're right, he knows what we can 'handle now' and that's what he tells us.

      Thank you for the compliment.

      Lawrence

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      John

      Thanks for the visit, and that's the reason I tried to present the information this way, so people can read for themselves and make their own mind up.

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      Lawrence thanks for explaining that. Yes scientists seem to think they will find what God has not told us. I really believe that he tells us only what's important at this time. But soon all our questions and concerns will be no guessing

      He will tell us as a loving Father to his children.

      Thank you for getting back to me. You are a great writer my friend.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Kiss and Tales

      Some good points there, even in Jesus time there were religious leaders who didn't accept the idea of a physical resurrection, they only accepted the first five books of Moses and probably didn't accept the idea of a 'soul' in the way we understand it.

      Here, I was addressing more the idea that there are scientists who have put forward theories that explain the existence of the soul.

      It's not 'proof' but there's enough fact to say it's a 'theory' and not a hypothesis!

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Paladin

      Thank you for the comment and for the input, You're right about there are times when the hub is 'only the start' of the discussion and at times the comments are just as interesting.

      Actually, the hub wasn't easy to write as I knew it was going into an area that's as 'emotionally loaded' as it gets, but I also felt there was a need to present another side of the story.

      I found the video by Dr Parnia very helpful, as all the way through he's saying "Look, we just don't know, and there needs to be research by people who can be impartial"

      As to whether it adds anything to the debate, I think it does as it was the first one that set out some 'ground rules' as to what this kind of study needs to look like, not perfect, but then again what in science is?

      I also wanted to explore the idea of using 'quantum mechanics' to explain the existence of the soul, I'd never come across that (I'd come across the idea of the brain being 'just the relay' for the soul but not using it as an argument in that way!)

      I'm hoping that people will use the hub as a resource to find information on these things, even if they don't necessarily accept some of the science.

      Have a good week

      Lawrence

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Glenis

      Thanks for the visit and I appreciate your skepticism. What I tried to do here was present an argument 'for' and to show some of the science theory that it's based on.

      The goal here was to present a discussion and evidence that most people are unaware of.

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      John Hansen 9 months ago from Queensland Australia

      You presented this information very well, Lawrence. I still have to check out all the links on the scientific studies etc and look forward to doing that. it is a subject that most of us are concerned with ultimately, and most would like to believe there is an afterlife. A very interesting read.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Bill

      Fair comment. The hub is a bit of a reaction from a few other hubs that I saw on HP where the author does restrict the amount of 'back and forward' and I just wanted to present a much more full 'case for' so that people can at least read up on where research is.

      You're right, we will find out when we get there, and I don't think we should be in any hurry to 'find out for ourselves'

      Thanks for the visit.

      Lawrence

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Mel

      I remember reading some of Jung's writings at one time, but don't ask me what he said as I can't remember!

      When I was working on this article I did find other theories that theorize that the 'soul' may be a type of 'genetic memory' recorded in the membranes of our body's cells. I didn't have the time to check all that information out, (or the energy cum space) but wanted to show that there are scientific theories that link the soul to quantum theory!

      You've just reminded me of something that I missed in the hub, I'll add it in now as it shows the link.

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Paul

      That was my main reason for writing the hub, to lay out the case for 'life after death' and what might happen

      There are wild claims on both sides, and i wanted to present a case 'first it's as well as see if I could find some scientists who use quantum theory as a way of explaining the existence of the Human soul.

      I think I found much more than I thought I would and just tried to put 'the evidence' forward so people could see for themselves.

      Thanks for the visit, and I'm glad you liked the hub.

      Lawrence

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Eric

      Wow! I thought I'd get some response to the hub but this morning the email box is full!

      I think I'd agree with you Eric about not necessarily 'accepting' some of the science theory, but my aim was to show that some scientists do believe in these things and they accept that their belief is entirely consistent with what they find in the scientific world.

      Glad you enjoyed the hub.

      Lawrence

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      Kiss andTales 9 months ago

      The after life is based on the teachings of Eygptain old cultures.

      The Bible tells the truth ,that is more reliable then human error and opinion that swings to the left and to the right.

      Ec 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know( nothing at all ), nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.

      Key words they know nothing at all.

      Memory has ceased.

      Ec 9:6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun.

      All activities of the mind have perished.

      Job 7:9 Like a cloud that fades and vanishes, The one who goes down to the Grave does not come back up.

      The soul is your life.

      NOTICE ! Eze 18:4 Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so also the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul who sins is the one who will die.

      The soul is a soul (before ) he dies as stated here.

      Notice A further study of God’s Word will show you that nowhere in the entire Bible are the terms “immortal” or “everlasting” linked with the word “soul.” Instead, the Scriptures state that a soul is mortal, meaning that it dies. (Ezekiel 18:4, 20) Therefore, the Bible calls someone who has died simply a “dead soul.”—Leviticus 21:11, Or “any dead soul.” The Hebrew word neʹphesh is here connected to a Hebrew word meaning “dead.”

      So the word soul applies to the living body as well as dead a body.

      And a soul dies.

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      Paladin_ 9 months ago from Michigan, USA

      Oops! I just realized my quote from Dr. Parnia doesn't apply to the patient who reportedly heard the "beeps." He was a category 5 participant (the only one), and the quote applied to category 1 participants.

      Nevertheless, that particular 'recollection' wasn't cited in the study, despite all the very detailed accounts included. And in any case, even if true, it only demonstrates some measurable level of awareness during CA, not an 'out-of-body' experience, and certainly not life after death!

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      Paladin_ 9 months ago from Michigan, USA

      First, I apologize for the length of this comment. There's a lot to address, and I'll be as brief and concise as possible...

      I'm glad you wrote this hub, Lawrence! I also wanted to weigh in on the topic in Catherine's hub, but I've learned that she isn't particularly fond of long back-and-forth discussions in the comments sections of her theses. That's her prerogative, of course, and I respect that. But it's unfortunate because, however good a hub is, it's really only a starting point, and the comments can often prove to be just as informative and fascinating as the original work! I suspect you feel the same.

      As for the study itself, I'm glad you cited criticisms of the study, but I wish the media would try to be similarly fair minded! For example, the UK Independent article to which you linked proclaims "Largest-ever Study Provides Evidence That 'Out-Of-Body' And 'Near-Death' Experiences May Be Real!"

      In truth, the study doesn't shed any new light on 'near-death' experiences, beyond the conclusion that patient awareness can often continue much longer than previously thought during cardiac arrest (CA). And it says absolutely NOTHING to suggest that 'out-of-body' experiences (OBEs) are real!

      Further, the Independent uses the wrong number of participants as 2,060 (a misleadingly larger sample). But that's the number of people who initially agreed to the study, NOT the ACTUAL number of people who ended up participating in the study! Incidentally, the 330 number you cite is the number of SURVIVORS. The number of final participants was 140, which Catherine correctly noted in her hub.

      As you admit, the protocols in place for verifying potential OBEs during CA didn't work due to an inability to use prepared facilities in most instances. In any case, the primary focus of the study was to examine the awareness of patients during CA, and its potential link to PTSD.

      The Independent article also quotes Dr. Parnia as noting one patient who recalled a number of beeps from a machine and characterizes it as "very credible," but there is NO mention of this in the original study!

      Indeed, in the actual study, he seems to contradict his "quote" to the Independent:

      "...Our study had a number of limitations including the fact that we were unable to ascertain whether patients’ response to the question of having memories during CA (in category 1) truly reflected a perception of having memories or possibly difficulties with under-standing the question..."

      In the end, the study doesn't go anywhere near the notion of the existence of a soul or life after death, and the authors repeatedly acknowledge that further study and investigation is needed. For those who wish to read the ACTUAL study for themselves, and not the hyperbolic and outlandish rubbish printed by the mainstream media, here's a link to the PDF:

      http://www.horizonresearch.org/Uploads/Journal_Res...

      As for the other links you offered, in each case, they offer only SPECULATION that the soul exists. If and when compelling scientific proof actually arises, I'll be sure to examine it. Until then, I'll remain a skeptic! :-)

      Thanks again, for the great hub, Lawrence! Take care.

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      Glenis Rix 9 months ago from UK

      Interesting. Have to say that I'm skeptical, Lawrence. I just try to live a decent life in the here and now.

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      Bill Holland 9 months ago from Olympia, WA

      It's not that I don't like to think about the hereafter. I just don't choose to spend much time doing it or debating it. I'll find out soon enough and then I'll let you know. :)

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      Mel Carriere 9 months ago from San Diego California

      This whole idea of returning to the quantum state fascinates me. Carl Jung talked about genetic memory. Many people laughed at him at the time and called him a mystic, but maybe science will ultimately vindicate him, and others. Great hub.

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      Paul K Francis 9 months ago from east coast,USA

      I did not know there was so much scientific evidence out there for the hereafter. I have always been interested in NDEs, but those who have had them all have one thing in common - they came back. Do these kind of experiences continue for those who do not return. I like to believe that they do and that it only gets better, and what you written just reinforces that belief. Great article. Thanks.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I really enjoyed reading this Lawrence. I am not sure I buy the validity of much of this science you lay out. But that is where science works. Each theory of proof may not be perfect - life and science seldom are. But when there is such a body of evidence suggesting after life exists, well then you have to accept that at least where there is truly no evidence against the theory it is probably more true than not.

      I have lived and worked in cultures different than us "developed English speaking countries". And they pretty much just accept afterlife as true - as many here assume it is not.

      Great stuff to contemplate and very well written my friend.