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How can a Loving God Send People to Hell?

Updated on September 23, 2012
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Antagonists and sincere seekers often ask this question: How can a loving God send people to hell for eternity? If you think about it, it is an oxymoron. A loving God and hell or eternal punishment are at opposite ends of the spectrum. This question is designed to be a stumper, which if you only look at in on the surface, it is. Let us take a deeper look and explore what justice is and then see if a just God can indeed be justified sending someone to hell.

Justice

What is justice? Thefreedictionary.com defines justice as “conformity to moral rightness in action or attitude; righteousness.” Most people want to see justice carried out, especially on serious and heinous crimes. Very few will argue with Stalin, Hitler, and Bin Laden to name a few being sent to hell. What do the rest of us deserve?

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Do you think people who break the law should be punished?

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Courtroom Example – Part I

Let us look at an example of what goes on in a courtroom. A defendant is accused of a serious crime and is brought to trial. The prosecution calls witnesses and produces evidence that the defendant is guilty. The defense attorney tries to poke holes in the prosecution’s case and offer evidence of the defendant’s innocence. After all the evidence has been offered, either a judge or a jury will decide the guilt of the defendant based upon what the evidence is. If the defendant is found innocent, they are let go. If they are found guilty, they are held over for sentencing. At sentencing, the prosecution offers their recommendations for punishment, while the defense attorney does the same. Many times, witness are called, that testify that the defendant had a rough childhood or a generally a good person. Would a judge be a good judge, if he let the defendant off for a serious charge because they are generally a good person? No, because the victim would not get the justice that they deserve.

God’s Nature

According to the Bible, God is a God of love, justice, mercy, grace, judgment, and holiness to name a few of His attributes. He is also all-powerful, all knowing, and present everywhere. God’s holiness will not allow Him to let one sin go unpunished. That does not mean that God punishes sin immediately. Many times, He allows them to fill up before His wrath is poured out. Hell is the fullness of His wrath. His mercy and grace allows humanity to continue and not wipe us out as we deserve. Jesus spoke more about hell than He did about heaven.

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If the Ten Commandments are God's standard, are you innocent or guilty before God?

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God’s Law

Before we look at the justice of God, we need to look at what God’s laws are. God’s primary laws are the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20):

1. You shall have no other gods before me.

· This refers to anything or anyone who takes the place of God in your life.

2. You shall not bow down to idols.

· An idol can be anything from an image, to sports, music, computers, serving, etc. This is anything that you worship instead of God.

3. You shall not misuse the name of God.

· God’s name is misused all the time. People say “Jesus Christ”, “God Da**it”, ”Oh my God”, “Jesus”, etc as an adjective. I believe that this command is evidence of God and the Bible being true. How many people have you heard use “Buddha”, “Harry Christna”, “Muhammad” in the same manner? It is because of the hatred of God by Satan and the flesh that God’s name is misused.

4. Keep the Sabbath day holy.

5. Honor your father and mother.

· This is not limited to only listening to your parents, but taking care of them in their later years. If people would do this, there would be no need for social security and welfare for the most part.

6. You shall not murder.

· Jesus said, “But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. . . But anyone who says, “You fool!” will be in danger of the fire of hell” Matthew 5:22.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

· Jesus added that anyone who lusts after a woman has committed adultery in his heart already.

8. You shall not steal.

· Even things that you accidently take are still stealing.

9. You shall not lie.

· The Bible does not distinguish between so-called white lies and regular lies. It calls them all lies.

10. You shall not covet.

· This is a tough one because it covers envy, greed, etc.

The Bible lists other laws that further clarify God’s law, but the Ten Commandments is sufficient for the point that I am trying to make. If you read each line and honestly go through the list, you will have broken most if not all of them. I know I have. The purpose of the law in the Old Testament was to show you that there is no human way that you could fulfill it. The law shows us our need of a savior.

“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23.

Punishment for Lawbreakers

We have a tendency to look at how we are doing compared to those around us. Many times, we fair pretty well. If we are guilty of breaking God’s law, we are punished based upon His standards, not by which we think is fair. After all, God is the one who has been offended by our sin.

“For the wages of sin is death (hell)” Romans 6:23.

“In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness” Hebrews 9:22


How Can a Loving God Send People to Hell?

Courtroom Example – Part II

This time we are on trial before God and He has opened all of the books of everything we have ever done or said. The devil reads off each count against us with glee. When he is finally done, it is our turn to offer a defense. What defense are you going to offer?

You could offer a defense that you are a good person and that your good outweighs your bad. Most of the world religions put their hope in this defense. They are set up based on what you need to do, not what Christ did for you. Will this defense work? My question is, would this defense work in any court of law today? No. Why would it not work? Because you are guilty of breaking the law and a good judge must punish law breaking. If I steal a purse from a woman, it does not matter how charitable I am. Even if I take what was in the purse and give it to charity, I am still guilty of theft. Plus, the Bible says that our good works are as filthy rags. If that is your only defense, you sentenced to hell.

The alternative defense is to have your payment made for you. Here is how it plays out. The defense attorney stands and asks to approach the bench. He says Father; I paid the price for his sin when I died on the cross. You punished me for his sins. The Father rechecks the records, and cannot find anything but a bloodstain. The blood of Jesus has washed the record clean. The Judge slams the gavel and says, “Case dismissed! There is not any evidence of this man’s sin. It has been forgiven.”

The Choice

God loves you so much, that He was unwilling to spend eternity without you. Yes, you! He would rather die than to see you face an eternal judgment of hell. He was born of a virgin. He experienced everything that we do, except that he did not sin. He was severely beaten and nailed to a cross to die for your sins and mine. He chose the nails, He chose the cross, and He chose to die for you and for me. Why would God do such a thing?

“For God so loved the World, that He have His only Son, that whoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have eternal life” John 3:16.

“God demonstrated His own love for us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” Romans 5:8.

God paid the penalty for your sins and mine. Are you willing to turn to him and repent of your sins? Are you willing to believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose again to set you free? Are you willing to accept His sacrifice for payment for your sins? God will not force anyone to accept Him or love Him. I urge you to give Him your life today. None of us knows when our time on earth is up.

If you want to know Jesus pray a prayer like this and mean it with all of your heart:

“Dear God, I know that I am a sinner. I repent of my sins and turn away from them. I believe that Jesus died for me and rose again. I accept your sacrifice as payment for my sins. Please be my Savior and my Lord. Thank you for loving me. Amen.”

The prayer will not save you, but Jesus will. If you have more questions, feel free to contact me or visit NeedHim.Org.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Hell No: If you cannot have a civilized discussion, you will be banned from my hubs.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      No, it is for eternal judgment. The context of the passage does not make sense for your view. Revelation is primarily about what is yet to come. Yes, it does use symbols, but that does not mean that the general ideas are hidden. Chapter 19 that talks about the Lake of Fire, is talking about final judgment. That is the context. Nowhere does it say anything where people were thrown in and came up purified. No, they were thrown in and then the scene moves toward believers. We also see this in Matthew 25 (Sheep and the Goats), a distinction between believers and unbelievers in judgment where there is eternal separation.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      It's to remove the stubble and the impurities if gold, which we all r to the real God. Exactly though. The lost.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      You may believe that, but that does not make it Biblical. The Lake of Fire is for the lost and the devil and his angels only.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Its correction and all go through it. Most will need more in the LOF. Glad u reminded me. Well u didnt but since i believe Christ and His elect are the Lake of Fire i will now capitalize it.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Again, you said the "punishment fits the crime." What are they being punished for?

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Oh and u ask what judgment? For one, u teach the most blasphamis doctrine ever invented. Oh hell, what would that b?

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      U r not saved yet. Ur sins have been forgiven. Oh i remember ur escaping hell mistranslation. Sneeky nsbcs or whatever bibbil wrote that.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      "Punishment fits the crime. . . " What crime? Sin?

      If we are saved, there are no sins to be punished, Christ paid for them on the cross. Believers are under grace and face only the Judgement Seat of Christ for their deeds which will be a rewards ceremony and if someone (believer) is not rewarded they are let into heaven as escaping the fire (hell).

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Oh, i just read ur court room example. Again, ultimate salvation does not imply getting off scot free as hellers love to believe. There is judgment. Say it with me, J U D G M E N T!! The punishment fits the crime. And yes, ignorance is a defense but does not free one from justice. Even in our courts this is true. I think God is better able to handle corrective messures than puny man and his courts. Ur example falls flat on its face against the things of the spirit and even common sense. None of which u appear to have.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Catering to the churches. If you think eternal is correct then you dont know how to compare scriptures. And i am quite sure those translaters knew they were in error. Many called few chosen. The churches of men are the many.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Prideful.

      Says you. I will side with the all of the translations that properly translate Greek to English, not one translation that stands apart. KJV, NKJV, NASB, NIV, etc all contain eternal, eternity, because that is what is in the Greek.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Prideful? I never said i was chosen. I am just lucky enough to know the truth when i c it. For that i thank God.

      The word eternal is n several bibles. It is not scripture. And contrary to what u think, the chosen were never promised eternal life anywhere in the scriptures either. They will reign with Christ during the kingdom age, judging the world in righteousness. Once all enemies r put under Christ's feet (there no longer will be any because they will then b saved) all will be given imortality (that's scripural. Eternal and forever are not). At that point, Christ will turn the kingdom over to the Father.

      Once again, ur eternity for the saved is also unscriptural. The word eternity, forever, everlasting, forever and ever, forever to the power of forever, have no place in a properly translated bible.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Right, because only a select few know the truth. Very prideful. If the word eternal is not in the Bible, then we do not have eternal life. Attack me all you want, but you ignore the clear teaching of Scripture.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Sounds like everything churches teach. The concordant is translated from the earliest greek manuscripts. And regardless of what those you mentioned say, if the words hell, eternal or forever are spoken of even once, it is due to dishonest scholarship.

      Christ taught in parables so that the masses would not understand. He had to explain them to His decipals in private. And they still didnt understand them and either do you. Nobody understood them until He sent the holy spirit after His ressurection.

      You r clueless on the spiritual significance of lazarus and the rich man. And i'm sure, every other parable of Christ.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      NASB and NIV are much better translations because they are translated from earlier manuscripts than the King James. Jehovah Witnesses are a cult and are not part of Christianity. They deny the deity of Jesus Christ and the resurrection.

      People were not created to be sinners. Adam and Eve were created into perfection, it is their sin that has caused sin to be passed down to everyone else. The sacrificial system was a foreshadowing of the sacrifice to come, the Messiah. The sacrifices did not wipeout sin, they were considered a place holder until the death of Jesus.

      Christ taught in parables to illustrate his points. We can understand what He taught in them. The rich man and Lazaurs is a good evidence of Jesus teaching on hell. The rich man died and went to Hades to await final judgement. Lazarus also died and went to Abraham's bosom. There is one significant difference, the rich man was in torment, Lazarus at peace. Why? Because there were two different areas in Hades separated by a huge chasm that cannot be crossed. The rich man is headed to hell with no way out. He begs Abraham to send Lazarus to cool his tongue, but he cannot because of the separation. Once Jesus died, the chamber that Lazarus was in, is no longer necessary because Paul tells us for believers that when we are absent from the body, we are present with the Lord. Revelation 19:11-15 tells us what happens to those in Hades that do not have their names written in the book of life. It is crystal clear:

      11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire."

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      None. Dont't need to know greek. The truths are evident in the king james, even jehova witness bibles have the truths. Being given the fruits of spirit gives the few chosen the ability to compare scriptures, to pay attention to the words (quench, and thousands of others that most gloss right over), to ask and receive answers from God. Do you know why God required the feasts and the animal sacrifices in the OT? Probably not. I learned why. Why were people created to be sinners and commanded by God to be destroyed in the OT? Why flood the land? I now know why. Bet u don't. Why did Christ only teach the masses with parables? It goes back to " because to them it was not given to know. . . . But to you it was. I didnt make it up. It's in every bible. Every bible says the words of Revelation are signified (symbols).

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      So all of the Bible translators are wrong??? No one knows how to translate Greek to English unless you have a spiritual mind?? Because for you to be right, all of the any men and women who have spent time translating the different translations (that all agree with eternal punishment) don't know what they are doing??? How many years of Greek have you taken?

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      That's exactly whats happenning. Everybody has their own interpretation. Because not everybody is given a spiritual mind to understand scripture. It is a gift of which only those He gives to understand them will. Not saying i have that giftyet, but i assure you, i know the fruits of spirit when i c it. Revelation is a book of symbols. Christ only taught using parables. Even what you wrote above is spiritual language. It means what it means regardless of who understands it. You obviously dont.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      You equate Scripture with the "spiritual mind". God says in the Bible that the Bible is God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, and correcting. If everyone interprets in the "spiritual" mind, then everyone can have their own meaning because nothing is definitive. Proper translation is essential because words have meaning.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      I equate scripture with the spiritual mind and proper translation that you obviously know nothing about. And a spiritual mind is a billion times more important than knowing proper translation. Again, u don't have it.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      The problem is that you equate human actions with God whose is so much bigger than we can possible comprehend. Hell is not terrorism, it is God's wrath being poured out in justice against anyone whose sins have not been forgiven because they chose to reject Jesus' work on the cross.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      Terrorism is nothing compared to being burned eternally. That would make god a trillionto the power of infinity worse than ISIS. Their terror is temporary.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Again, no Scriptural proof of that. Just your words. Death then comes judgment.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      Saved after death, yes, but a life without a Christian life is unimaginable.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      According to you, whatever religion I pick eventually leads me to the same spot since all are saved.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      Do you want to know why Christians are being slaughtered? Christ said "I bring a sword" He did not mean we would wield a sword, He meant we would be on the other end of a sword. He told His disciples that they would be persecuted, hated and killed. Being a Christian comes with a cost. The possibility of death. If you cannot deal with the fact that we are being killed, maybe you should look for another religion.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Any more references to "spiritual terrorism" will be deleted. You do not know what real terrorism is. Christians are being slaughtered around the world and you flippantly use the word. Argue on the merits.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Ummm if everyone is saved in your view, would that not make them a Christian????? Your argument is with Jesus.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      My argument is not with my saviour, it is with people who call themselves Christians but are not. Anyone who promotes spiritual terrorism like you do is not a Christian. You are part of a cult called churchianity.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      You argument is not with me, it is with Jesus. He spoke often about hell. All of this non-sense you posted has nothing to do with anything except what you believe. It has no Biblical foundation. Your view of God is too small. You only believe in a God of love. The God of the Bible is first and foremost holy, holy, holy. He is a God of love yes, but also a God of wrath. John 3:36 sums it up,

      "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on Him."

      I take Jesus' view of heaven and hell.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      Hell defenders Fallacious Claims 1, According to hell defenders, they claim that they wish hell did not exist, yet they worship a deity who believes it should exist. They show more compassion than the deity they worship.

      2, They claim that their deity is all loving and merciful, yet they preach that if you do not choose their deity, it will torture you forever.

      3, They say that their deity commands us to love, bless and forgive our enemies yet their deity will torture his eternally.

      4, They say that mercy triumphs over judgement (James 2:13), yet their deity's judgement triumphs over its mercy.

      5, They say that their deity originally created hell for satan and his angels, but their deity was unaware that it will cast most of its creation there when it created hell.

      6, They claim that their deity cannot be with sin, yet Christ walked, spoke and ate with sinners.

      7, They claim that Christ is the saviour of the world, yet he will only save Christians.

      8, They claim that Gods love is unconditional, yet they put conditions on it.

      9, They claim that their deity's will is sovereign, yet it is dependent on our free will to save us.

      10, They claim that eternal punishment is just, yet punishment is corrective, not vindictive.

      I have hundreds of more points to post, but it is obvious that these ten are enough to prove the ignorance of modern day evangelicals and its churchianity.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      No, I am not going down a dumb rabbit trail. People put all kinds of things on YouTube, doesn't make the true. My guide is the Bible.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      you cant answer it because it would contradict what you said about no 2nd chance.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Typical response. Get nailed down and then make up some absurd attack. I use Scripture as evidence.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      Yet many of you hell defenders believe in testimonies of people who have died and went to hell and came back to warn people about it on YouTube. Are they telling the truth?

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      Sword,

      "And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment," Hebrews 9:27 NASB

      Once some dies, their eternal destiny has been locked in. There are no second chances. You die, then comes judgement.

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      SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

      The reason why the unbelievers reject God, is because most hell believers and defenders of this evil doctrine don't live like they believe in hell. Besides, God's grace is so amazing, the unbelievers cant believe it, and they will refuse to believe in God's grace until they are in need of God's mercy. Then they shall have it.

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      The fact that u find it easy to understand scripture proves that u r clueless. Christ spoke in parables so that only the chosen can understand. Blindness keeps you unable to compare scripture to scripture. And you dont even see obvious mistranslations to keep citizens in line and subdued by oppressive governments of yesteryear.

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      Eric Cramer 2 years ago from Chicagoland

      John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son."

      John 3:36 "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them."

      Not exactly sure what is so difficult to understand. Matthew 25 parable of the Sheeps and Goats. Sheeps go to be with God and the Goats to everlasting punishment.

      Matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

      Pretty clear to me what the Bible teaches. . . .

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      Hell N0 2 years ago

      It's amazing that hell believers can believe anything their church teaches. Such shady theology. Did you know that the koran really does teach torture in the afterlife? The holy scriptures teach that all will be saved. Hellers dont c this because they like the world are blind to spiritual things. Ur theology is no more believable than the koran. Except that book obviously teaches that trash. Even with obvious mistranslations in our bibles, salvation of all is still obviously taught there. U hellers claim to love god out of extreme fear of hell. U better hope the koran isnt true. I know it isnt unlike billions of islamic people.

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      Eric Cramer 5 years ago from Chicagoland

      Thanks Sky999!

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      Eric Cramer 5 years ago from Chicagoland

      Thanks FSlovenec! God is amazing. I can't believe how much He has forgiven me! I pray that all will turn to Him.

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      Frank Slovenec 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA

      God is Love! This is a wonderful hub. God does not send anyone to hell, we make a decision for hell when we sin and do not ask for forgiveness. The amazing thing about God, there are millions, but one of them is He forgets our sin after He forgives us. WOW I pray that I can forget the things that have been done against me after I have forgiven them. God is amazing! Thank you for the reminder

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      Sky999 5 years ago

      Thank you so much for this message. Too many people waste away by trying to obey the law, when it's been done for them already. Jesus' blood has us covered.

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      SwordofManticorE 5 years ago from Burlington

      It is apparent that you know little of the Greek language in reference to what is written in scripture. The Greek words "olethron" and "aiOnion" properly and accurately translated to English is "age extermination", or are you going to foolishly tell me that this same word "aiOnion" in Matt 24:3 means eternal instead of the word "world"? I have come to learn that people like you will read the bible and believe what you want to believe and disregard the rest. Christ's glory already happened, but I am not going to get in your way of searching the skies in vain waiting for His return. You are not worthy to talk God in worship, and you have encouraged me to write a part 2 hub on determined hell believers and their insane hatred towards sinners and unbelievers of Christ.

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      Eric Cramer 5 years ago from Chicagoland

      Sorry, but if you read 2 Thes. 1:8-9 it does aay everlasting destruction. Every translation that I checked (KJV, NIV, NKJV, HCSB,ASV) all translate it as eternal destrution. Matthew 25 talks about the final judgment. It has nothing to do with Judah. You are reading that into the text. Matthee 25:31 says this judgment will happen when the Son of Man comes in his glory, which is when He returns to Earth to rule and reign. That has not happened yet. Do not believe what others tell you, read the Word yourself. The Bible puts an emphasis on sin and being saved. It tells you that you must believe in Christ yo be saved, therefore, if you do not believe in Christ, you are not saved. See John 3. Jesus said you must be born again, the only way to do tjat is to place your faith in Christ.

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      SwordofManticorE 5 years ago from Burlington

      He did nt say everlastion destruction, He said aionion extermination meaning physical death. If Hell is a seperation from God, then why does it say in Psalms 139: 7-8 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?If I ascend up into heaven,thou art there:if I make my bed in hell, behold,thou art there KJV?

      True, Christ did come for the Jew and the gentile, but why didnt Christ warn the gentiles during His ministry about Gehenna? Rev 11 confirms that This book was written before A.D.70 as the temple was still standing. On top of that. the seven churches of Asia minor no longer existed A.D. 95. The word Basaniesia in Rev 20:10 means to you tormented, but it also means tested in the Greek language. It is also the verb to the greek noun word Basanos. Meaning a touchstone. A touchstone tests the purity of presciouse metals such as gold and silver. This symbolic use is equalivent to the fire found in 1Cor 3:15. This same fire saves all and does not eternaly consume as you would have foolish readers believe. The book of life is symbolic for Christ, and those names you were referring to are the Jews who saw the signs in Matt 24 and 25 and were saved from the wrath of God on Judah. This is also prophesised in Matt 3 by John and a parable was told to the Jews about this coming event in Luke 16 about the rich man and Lazerus.

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      Eric Cramer 5 years ago from Chicagoland

      I agree that Paul is encouraging believers there, but verses 8-9that still represent hell. Everlasting lasting destruction and separation from God is hell. The comfort is that God will take vengence on them, everlasting. Jesus came for the Jew and the gentile alike, for all who believe. Believe is conditional. All of scripture is God breathed, all of it. Revelations 20:10 is the final judgment of the antichrist and Satan. Verse 15, is where humans who do not have their names in the Lamb's Book of Life will be cast into hell. Revelations has nothing to do with the end of Judah, but the world. Olus, most scholars agree that it was written after AD 70, most likely in 95AD.

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      SwordofManticorE 5 years ago from Burlington

      2Thes 1 is Paul encouraging those believers that the Jews who were persecuting them would face judgement, and they did A.D.70. It has nothing to do with your hell. If hell was real and God wanted the gentiles to be warned of it, Paul would have given more detail into it, but he didnt. Rev 20 is about the end of Judah. The second death is the end of the jewish religion a second time at the hands of Rome. Funny how you believe that the fire in 1Cor 3:15 burns or tests our works, but believe that the same fire in Rev 20:10 burns those in it. Yes, I hold Paul's words as spiritual teachings to me as I am a gentile, just as Christ came only to minister to the Jews. To prepare the Jews for the coming of the new covenent and the end of their religion a second time. The answer as to why Paul never warned the gentiles about a place called hell is simple. It does not exist.

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      Eric Cramer 5 years ago from Chicagoland

      So now you want to argue that Paul’s words trump the words of Jesus, the Word of God? Jesus himself lays out the case for hell, but since you want Paul, read the passage below:

      “3 We ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters,[b] and rightly so, because your faith is growing more and more, and the love all of you have for one another is increasing. 4 Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring.

      5 All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. 6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.” 2 Thessalonians 1:3-10

      Verse 8 and 9 reveal that Paul too believed in hell and taught about it. You cannot translate/interpret them any other way. The proof is there if you are willing to believe it. Paul may not use the word hell, but the description can be nothing else.

      “5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.” Romans 2:5-11

      Verses 7 and 8 speak of eternal life for those who do good will get eternal life, for those who do not wrath and anger. Verse 6 says that God will repay each person according to what they have done.

      Romans 10:9-11 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, ‘Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.’”

      These verse are conditional. You must believe and confess. Verse 13 agrees with what Peter said at Pentecost, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Which means that no everyone is going to call on his name.

      “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 1:18

      This verse acknowledges a different between those being saved and those who are unsaved.

      As far as your question of Revelations, some of Revelations can be hard to understand, but Revelations 20 is clear that there will be a judgment day and those who do not know Christ will be sent to hell for an eternity of suffering. There is no other way to interpret it. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 destroy the premise that Paul never taught on hell.

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      SwordofManticorE 5 years ago from Burlington

      Here is a question for you. If Paul taught the gentiles all what God wants us to know(Acts 20:27), why didnt Paul warn us of Gehenna like Christ did to the Jews, let alone a place called hell. Prove that he did warn the gentiles about such a place if it is me who teaches to ichy ears.

      Also, do you claim to understand the writings of Johns symbolic book you call Revelations?

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      Eric Cramer 5 years ago from Chicagoland

      John 3:16 says whoever believes, that infers an opposite side that does not believe. I cannot think if the specific reference but there is another verse that says "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. The converse side is also true, if you do not believe in Christ you will not be saved.

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      Eric Cramer 5 years ago from Chicagoland

      If you read what I wrote up above about Hitler, Stalin, etc is that no one will argue with them being on the list of people going to hell. The false teachers Paul was writing about is you, who takes the clear meaning of scripture and perverts it with their own twisted interpretation. If you read through the verses that I posted above, the case for hell is undeniable. Revelation 20 and Matthew 25 in CONTEXT prove the case of the Bible teaching a literal hell. As well as the totality of scripture supports it. John 3:16 its another nail in your argument. "For God so loved the world, that He gave his only Son, that whoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have eternal life."Matthew John 3:16

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      SwordofManticorE 5 years ago from Burlington

      You dont want anyone to go there, but your Hub says otherwise. Hitler, Stalin, Bin Laden to name a few? Your definition of the good news is bad news in reality. The real Good news is that Hitler, Stalin, Bin Laden to name a few are saved. Who saved them God! It is no secret that people like you possess a hidden thirst for vengence, so dont try to denie it. Because I dont believe you. Paul warned us about false teachers like you and how you teach out of your own desires to ichy ears like drmiddlebrook and others who also desire vengence but denie it. The thought that God will save all mankind is not even concievable in your hearts. The good news that God will save all is the sound doctrine Paul spoke of. It wasn't until around A.D.500 that the catholic church adopted this evil doctrine of hell to maintain control and wealth through fear that this belief started, and you still follow these catholic traditions because the thought of evil people going to hell is part of the "Good News".

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      Sallie B Middlebrook PhD 5 years ago from Texas, USA

      Thank you. Great sermon, ercramer36. As a Believer, I already know the Bible, in its entirety, is the inspired word of God. Great lesson.

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      Eric Cramer 5 years ago from Chicagoland

      “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:16-17

      First off, the reason that I tell people there is a hell is because I do not want to see them go there. I do it out of love for the unbeliever. It is a warning and I will proclaim it loudly. An evil person says there is no hell when it is the clear teaching of scripture. What is funny, if you would have read the entire chapter of 2 Peter 2, you would see that it is talking about judgment on false teachers. Verse 4, mentions that God did not spare angels from hell. Peter also mentions in verse 17, that the blackest darkness is reserved for false teachers, another reference to hell.

      Jesus on Hell:

      “But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca, ’ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” Matthew 5:22

      “If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.” Matthew 5:29

      “And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.” Matthew 5:30

      “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28

      “And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.” Matthew 18:9

      “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.” Matthew 23:15

      “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?” Matthew 23:33

      “And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,” Mark 9:47

      “But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.” Luke 12:5

      “In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.” Luke 16:23

      Other passages related to hell:

      Matthew 25:31-46 Jesus talks about the last judgment when the sheep and the goats are separated. The sheet to eternal life in heaven, and the goats to eternal punishment.

      “Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.” Revelation 20:11-15

      There are just some of the passages that reference hell. The context of the verses match what the verses are saying.

      God is serious about sin, serious enough to send Jesus to die for humanity.

      “36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” John 3:36

      John 3:16 is another verse that says whoever believes in Him will have eternal life, meaning if you do not believe in him, you will not go to heaven. Case closed. If a person does not put their faith in Christ, they will go to hell. If they accept Christ, they will be saved. That is the good news of the Gospel.

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      SwordofManticorE 5 years ago from Burlington

      How typical christian of you to say so.

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      Sallie B Middlebrook PhD 5 years ago from Texas, USA

      I see that Satan needs a place to vent too. Carry on.

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      SwordofManticorE 5 years ago from Burlington

      You see, a perfect example of how Christians cannot grasp scripture. The word of God is NOT the bible, it is Christ (John 1). And just as Christ called the pharisees vipers, I call those who preach about hell spiritual terrorists. You who teach that God would allow most of His creation burn eternall forget that His knowledge of who is saved was known by Him before time began. And to imply that He would still create them who you percieve as doomed eternally is to take away from Him His title as a merciful God and to make Him no better than a pagan monster god. You yourself have condemmed yourself a spiritual terrorist with your own words. Your reasons for this Hub is proof enough. All you do is terrorise people into worshipping God only to avoid going to your hell. Your own words have condemmed and betrayed you. The cowardly believe in such nonsense because they fear punishment instead of love. The ignorant will truly believe in the vomit they speak, because of their selfrightious pride (2Pet 2:22).

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      Sallie B Middlebrook PhD 5 years ago from Texas, USA

      God does not terrorize anyone. Christianity does not terrorize anyone. If you believe in the Holy Scripture as the word of God, you understand that prophetic predictions about the consequences of sin are Truth, not "spiritual terrorism." If you don't believe in God or Holy Scripture as the word of God, then you simply don't believe anything that is written in the Bible. If you don't believe it, it cannot terrorize you. You have free will; you are free to believe as you choose, and so are we, as Christians.

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      Eric Cramer 5 years ago from Chicagoland

      I delete any posts with name calling or any other abusive language.

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      Eric Cramer 5 years ago from Chicagoland

      You can't answer my questions so I guess you are left to name calling. Really? The reason I wrote about hell is because I want to warn people about what happens if they die apart from Christ. For me not to say anything would be hateful. There is hope for anyone who repents of their sins and puts their faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke more about hell than about heaven.

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      SwordofManticorE 5 years ago from Burlington

      Like most hubs that preach about hell, It is another example of how spiritual terrorism is implemented into the Christian community.

      Voted down.

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      Eric Cramer 5 years ago from Chicagoland

      Thanks! Looking at it from that side makes it easier to see that it is not unfair.

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      Sallie B Middlebrook PhD 5 years ago from Texas, USA

      Great Hub, I enjoyed reading it. Great comparison to crime and punishment in the courtroom of justice. Voted up.