- Religion and Philosophy
Hypocrisy of Hubbers. An Atheist's Dilemma: Part One
I Was Asked To...
I seem to be getting so many requests from people during discussions to write more hubs. Pushing aside the fact that those requests are veiled attacks on my character, you know because somehow the lack of hubs on one's profile somehow makes whatever you say irrelevant, I figured why not?
The point of this/these hub(s) is to show how blatantly hypocritical people can be during my discussions with them. Most likely it will also show how often they lie, insult me (directly or indirectly), completely ignore what I ask them, delete what I have to say for no reason and then lie about what I said, and deflect whatever the topic is into oblivion. It happens more often than you would have thought probable.
The way I am going to go about this is to copy and paste comments made between myself and the person in question. I will probably end up summarizing some of the beginning comments, mainly because they aren't as important as others and it would take to long to quote them verbatim.
I am not sure what the rules are regarding calling people out on their BS using their hubber names directly so I wont bother. I will also limit each hub to just one person. If you are concerned about the legitimacy of these comments, whether they exist at all or if I have taken them out of context, do let me know. I took screen shots of any pasted comments you will see here and would be more than happy to share the dropbox link I have for them.
So I Figured I Would Deliver.
I guess the best place to start would be with the more recent hubber I have been...discussing things with. If you could call it that anyway. Here we go.
Hubber X put up a hub complaining that some atheists are cowards because they only attack Christianity. His reasoning for this is that Christianity is somehow an easier target to attack versus something like say Islam due to fear of being branded an Islamaphobe, or whatever name fits the religion in question. You would think that would also apply to Christianity but I digress...
Anyway, that is pretty much the meat of Hubber X's hub. He is complaining that atheists follow a double standard by not attacking other religions, which could be considered a valid point if Hubber X didn't live in the US and if most of the atheists he sees attacking Christianity didn't also live in the US or a Christian dominated part of the world.
The latter part of my response to the hub: “Your profile says you live in NY, which obviously is in the US. Are you willing to bet that the majority of these “cowardly” atheists you see here [on Hub Pages] also live in the US, or a part of the world where Christianity is dominant and probably affects/has affected them in their daily lives?”.
The point I was trying to make with that comment is that it is much easier to worry about the fire in your backyard than it is to worry about the fire 5 states away. Christianity has a lot more influence in the US than any other religion, so unless those other religions suddenly put their big boy pants on and start causing problems, of course Christianity is going to be directly in the line of fire most of the time. His response to that comment is that Christianity is being attacked on all sides in the US, hence his hub.
Before I get into my follow up response to that, I want to post this comment made by Hubber X to another hubber (Hubber Y) that he seems to dislike. Hubber Y made a similar point to mine in addition to other good ones in one very long comment. Here is Hubber X's response to said comment: “I suggest that you work on being more concise in your writing. Because your “essays” are so long and drawn out, the average reader gets tired of reading them about halfway through”.
With that said, the last part of the upcoming comment of mine should make some sense: “As for Christianity being “attacked”, in the US of all places, its borderline absurd. It might be better for you to provide some sources for that for some clarity. Its dishonest of you to complain a comment was “too long” to read and that its somehow not worth addressing at all because of that. Plenty of good points were made, all in response to specific points you yourself made, but the way you just brushed them off makes you look scared to address them”.
Now here is where things get fun...
Hubber X's direct response to that: “Link, I have done things in life that you probably will never do, and that you probably are not even capable of doing. So, get the hell out of here with your silly little attempts to “set me straight”. Furthermore, you don't have enough horsepower to roll with me, so steer your way back into the slow lane”.
That kind of came out of the blue didn't it? I challenge something he said, and rather than provide the sources like I asked and shut me up, he pretty much tells me to screw off. I should also mention that it seems to be a popular theme that other people bring up their age/life experience in an attempt to somehow invalidate whatever it is I am saying. Oddly enough its directly after something like the above happens where I ask them to prove their point and they don't (can't?) do it. Its always easier to bring up random stuff than to answer honestly isn't it? Also, keep the above response in mind for later, it ends up playing an ironic role.
At this point you could say the gloves are off. I try to be as passive as I can be when dealing with new people in order to grasp their perspective on things since I generally don't like assuming everyone of faith acts in the same way, because they don't. But when something this blatantly asinine happens the sarcastic side of me loves to cause havoc. My direct response to Hubber X's comment: “Mmm yes, I guess an attempt at conversation and an inquiry into your perspective on things would be viewed as silly. How thoughtless of me. So to recap: You wont address any counter points made by myself or -Hubber Y-, all of which deal with points made in your hub. Interesting. You reject an opportunity to back yourself up and enlighten me to the woes of Christianity in the US. Expected. After rejecting said request, you pull the age card that somehow automatically makes whatever I said inferior, conveniently sidestepping the fact that our ages and life experience have f*ck all to do with the topic at hand. Bravo. When you decided on the name of this hub, particularly the “coward” part, you weren't looking in the mirror by any chance were you?”.
Its baffling how someone can write an article on something on a public website, allow comments to be posted by random people, and yet they can't take any form of criticism in the slightest without being a sore loser about it. Seriously its pathetic, even more so when I sit there and give them opportunities to prove their point and shut me up.
Hubber X's response to my comment: “Link, this is not some little college style debate society. Therefore, I am not going to get into an adolescent exchange with you and -Hubber Y-. I have more important things to do, like planning my next hub which brings something to mind: Instead of devoting so much of your time challenging me, you should be spending your time writing some hubs.”.
There it is ladies and gents, the age card again AND the veiled attack I mentioned earlier. Apparently making 3 comments over a 6 hour time span is somehow devoting an enormous amount of time and effort on my part to challenge Hubber X. Makes total sense.
At this point I am just having fun. Here is my response to Hubber X's comment: “Boy oh boy I love it when completely random stuff that has no bearing on the topic at hand, aside from a pathetic attempt to pretend you aren't talking completely out of your a$$, gets brought up. You said you had candy to share, I asked to see it, you told me to screw off, I call you on it, and now suddenly your candy can't be shared with anyone. You sound like an angry gradeschooler. Sorry to have upset you, I'll go buy my own instead”.
He responded to that by telling me I should tone it down since apparently he was notified the moderators were keeping an eye on me. I didn't actually censor my language on his hub so I will assume that was what flagged them, provided it was true at all. That was it. Nothing else. He's a pro at ignoring stuff isn't he?
Remember that quote I said to keep in mind earlier? The one where he initially pulled the age card in an attempt to make me seem inferior and all? This was Hubber X's response to another hubber who said we all need the blessing of god: “Yes, God bless us all because we really do need His blessings. Every one of us is nothing but a lowly, wretched sinner. No one in this realm is “better” than anyone else”.
You caught that right? Not the part where he believes we all suck and need to be forgiven for shit we didn't do no not that part. This part “No one in this realm is “better” than anyone else”. I'm not sure of any other way to take that sentence, so I would assume face value would the best way of interpreting it right?
Hence my response to that: “So...what exactly was the point in you bringing up your vast life experience to me earlier -Hubber X-? Because that's the complete opposite of your quote there considering that was your attempt to show that you were better than me or otherwise too far above me to respond to what I said”.
Now...I would have thought it normal for people who are caught in a boldface, undeniably blatant, bullshit lie to own up to it and at least address it in some way shape or form. Its kind of the proper thing to do in order to avoid losing respect is it not?
I guess Hubber X isn't normal...here is his direct response to that: “Link, you are obsessed with me, aren't you”.
There you have it. The hypocrisy, among other things, of Hubber X. The hypocritical part is that he called some atheists cowards, yet he never addressed any of the valid points I or Hubber Y brought up without deflecting or just outright ignoring us. Personally I view running from criticism and attacking others because you can't back up what you say to be quite cowardly, but that's just me.
Somehow I think that this still wont shut the idiots up who keep telling me to write hubs in order to have the "honor" to point out their bullshit.