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I Don't Believe in Unicorns!

Updated on June 22, 2014
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Group About Something I Don't Believe In

I DON'T BELIEVE IN UNICORNS, AND I'M STARTING A GROUP FOR ALL NON UNICORN BELIEVERS TO JOIN. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE OF UNICORNS, PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE INTERNATIONAL FIGHT TO BRING AWARENESS TO EVERYONE WHO MAY BELIEVE. WE WILL LOOK INTO SETTING UP A RALLY SO WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER AND STATE OUR ISSUES AND FRUSTRATIONS. WE WILL ALSO BE PICKETING WASHINGTON D.C. SO THEY MAKE A LAW TO NO LONGER ALLOW UNICORN BELIEVERS TO BE ABLE TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN, AND WE WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO HAVE UNICORNS REMOVED FROM TELEVISION, MOVIES, BOOKS, AND THE INTERNET! WE WILL SOON BE OFFERING PARAPHERNALIA (SHIRTS, HATS, SIGNS, BUMPER STICKERS, ETC) THAT WILL STATE OUR DISBELIEF OF THESE UNREAL CREATURES. I FEEL THAT A WORLD THAT BELIEVES IN UNICORNS IS IN PERIL. IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TRULY HATEFUL AND EVEN CHILD ABUSE TO ALLOW YOUNG CHILDREN TO BELIEVE IN SUCH A FICTIONAL CHARACTER. WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW UNICORN BELIEVERS ARE RUINING OUR SOCIETY AND OUR CHILDREN'S PSYCHE.

Atheist "Slaves" billboard torn down by religious nutters

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It's something that happens all the time, and even "Christians" do it at times. But how far should we actually allow loving words to be taken out of context without fighting back? The real Christ followers (not just the "Christians" who are pridefully screaming) need to learn to be just as vocal as atheists are. But atheists rallies always seem to spew hate and anger. I guess that is the opposite of GOoD, so they have proven their point.

Peace or Anger?

Religionists and atheists debate at the Reason Rally on the National Mall, 24 March 2012 in Washington, DC
Religionists and atheists debate at the Reason Rally on the National Mall, 24 March 2012 in Washington, DC | Source

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What's Really Going On Here?

Okay, okay! I know most of you are like "What is this about?" I know this is unlike most of my other articles, but I feel like getting my questions and thoughts out there anyway.

I am not really starting a group about the non existence of unicorns. While it would be kind of fun/funny to do so, it would be an extreme waste of my time and energy, and I have way more important things to be doing. On that note, I am so confussed as to why it has become so necessary to start a vocal group of any kind about a non belief. I mean, you either believe in something or you don't. If you don't believe in it... then why invest so much of your time and energy into it? Is it really just because you don't believe in something, or is it because you don't like the people who do believe in it?

Let's take atheism into consideration. If you don't believe there is an all powerful Being or Creator, why is it not enough to just not believe? I understand having some opinions when the topic arises, but what is really the point of having a community or vocal group of people who get together and talk about how much they don't believe in something. Seems like an extreme waste of time. Are atheist truly coming together to support each other in confirming their decision to not believe in God? Or is it really about a community of folks who want to bash God as much as they can, and tell people who do believe in Him that they are wrong? I've read many articles, have some atheist friends turned acquaintances, searched forums, read materials, and listened to some arguments for atheism, and I keep coming up with the same question: Why do atheist fight so hard for something they don't even believe exists?!

It's my opinion that the original point to an organized atheist group is to target God believing folks, telling them they are wrong, hateful, child abusers, stupid, ignorant, uneducated, dreamers, etc., but that is just my first-hand experience. The only conclusion I've been able to come up with is that Atheism is actually a hate group that targets Christians. I would really like to be wrong, but no one has shown me otherwise yet. Please don't misunderstand my confusion for poking fun. This is seriously a matter I do not understand. There are many things I don't believe in, but I don't invest so much time, energy, or thought into them any further unless the need arises. Example: Unicorns. I don't believe in unicorns. I just don't. But I've never been an activist, formed a group, or berated others for liking or believing in them. The only time I've ever actually put any time into unicorns was recently... just in case anyone stated a rebuttal for the existence of them. LOL!

I do know that atheist organizations want to change the foundations of our nation, and I can understand that Americans want their thoughts to heard and recognized. But, honestly, the people who were here during the foundation of the nation of the United States of America voted to have us being a nation that served God. That's just how it is. Our country doesn't force you to go to church or kill you if you reject Jesus, so I'm not sure I understand the "its offensive" argument. If you don't want to say "One nation under God"... then don't say it. If you don't want your child to read the Bible in school... then homeschool them or tell them not to read the bible in school. If you don't want to see a cross at a veteran's hospital or a manger in front of a courthouse... then look the other way. And I'm extremely confused as to what is so offensive about "Thou shalt not murder, steal, lie, etc." I don't believe there is a group out their trying to take away the rights of atheists, so I don't understand the atheist groups out there trying to take away the rights of those who do believe there is an all powerful Creator.

I would like to acknowledge that I do understand and am sympathetic toward those affected by "immature Christians" or those walking around "claiming the name of Jesus" but who actually do not know who He is. I sincerely apologize for those people. In fact, I was one myself. The true goal of a Christian is to live as closely as possible to how Jesus lived and to develop a character like God's. For those who don't truly know who God is and how He is... this is impossible to do, and it becomes offensive and/or misleading. God is one of absolute love. He is the perfect parent who loves His children unconditionally, but also corrects and redirects His children when they're straying off course. Any parent who does not correct his child, allows them to do whatever, believe whatever, and act however their child-like mind tells them to. And just because something comes naturally, doesn't make it okay. You don't have to teach a child to lie, steal, cheat, be demanding, or be selfish... it's just natural, and its something we need to teach our children how to overcome... just as God teaches us to overcome our natural hate, envy, and selfishness to replace it with love, peace, joy, kindness, and self-control. Most people find true Christianity offensive not because there is a perfect God, but because they don't want to truly believe that they NEED someone else to save them because they are not GOoD enough to earn something on their own.

Please... I welcome your comments, feedback, opinions, and views. Please remember to keep it cordial and polite. We can all express our own opinions with freedom and courtesy at the same time.

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      muffin 2 years ago

      I love unicorns.

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      Kylyssa Shay 2 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

      @Jadie

      I don't know if they are real Christians or not. Their actions aren't the fault of Christianity but of their own corruption. But they are what atheists see waving flags and clutching Bibles while doing awful things. Unfortunately, many atheists take the corrupt Christians at their word and believe the religion is to blame like the corrupt Christians say it is. So then they get outspoken in the wrong way.

      We should, instead, be exposing the bad behavior of Christians doing bad things in the name of Christianity to their fellow Christians, who are often infuriated by it as a betrayal of their religious affiliation in addition to being wrong already.

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      Jadie 2 years ago

      Anyone who hates... is not really a Christian. They are just hiding behind the name as some sort of front.

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      Kylyssa Shay 2 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

      @Jadie

      It's Christians who beat and discard their gay kids, not atheists. It's Christians making laws that allow them to discriminate based on religion or bully if their religion inspires the bullying, not atheists. It's Christians behind the laws in Uganda that call for gays to be rounded up and murdered.

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      Jadie 2 years ago

      Sarcasm was her point, but you're right... it's scary for Christians these days bc of atheists. We are just not safe any longer. Beatings, protests, arrests... List goes on and on.

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      Kylyssa Shay 2 years ago from Overlooking a meadow near Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA

      The comparison doesn't hold water because no one in America beats then discards their teenager for being gay because their belief in unicorns demands it. No one makes laws in the name of upholding their belief in unicorns or tries to control access to medical procedures and medications based on their belief in unicorns. No one hates everyone who doesn't believe in unicorns and no one will shun you or discriminate against you in your community if you admit you don't believe in unicorns. No one is fighting for exemptions to anti-bullying legislation so people can still bully others when their urge to be cruel comes from a deeply held belief in unicorns. No one is encouraging the murder of gays in Uganda because their belief in unicorns tells them being gay is a sin.

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      Oztinato 3 years ago from Australia

      No, hypocrisy is very strong word reserved for a major ethical failing. We could say it is hypocritical to see hypocrisy everywhere!

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, big or small.

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      Oztinato 3 years ago from Australia

      Hypocrisy is a bigger word that slight contradiction.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      The example might seem trivial to you, but discipline takes practice on a daily basis, not just when one feels like applying it. A house is build one brick at a time. Take for instance the 7 Deadly Sins, Lust to be exact. Impure thoughts might not seem like a big deal, but that is usually the first step to masturbation, which can lead to viewing pornography, which can lead to an addiction, then a desensitization, which can lead to the need for more stimuli, which can lead to rape. In essence, a rapist always starts off by just having impure thoughts, so why chance it, just don't have impure thoughts. To put it simply in golf terms, you can't birdie every hole unless you birdie the first one.

      If Hitler had maybe learned to control his feelings of wrath in his everyday life, he might not have become a mass murderer.

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      Oztinato 3 years ago from Australia

      Wild Bill

      Its the larger more important Hypocrisy endangering the planet that concerns me. The larger ethical questions are vital.

      If we have whittled down our own self contradictions to questions of driving etiquette we are doing ok.

      I dislike using Hitler as a handy bad example but to make a point: he was ethically concerned about vegetarianism at the same time as executing millions.

      Also Dawkins for example: ethically concerned about the intolerance one religion shows to another while he exhibits total intolerance to ALL religions.

      It is these highly dangerous forms of Hypocrisy and not the much smaller day to day minor contradictions that endanger all humanity.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      Oztinato,

      I don't agree with you on that. I think we all are hypocrites in our own ways whether it be big or small. For instance, I absolutely hate when people pull out in front of me and I get so angry and say how dumb they are for doing so, yet when I am in a hurry or stuck at a two way stop sign for a while, I will do the same thing to someone else which most everyone does. Even though I feel I have a good reason, I am still doing something that I would not want done on myself, i.e. golden rule in essence making me a hypocrite.

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      Oztinato 3 years ago from Australia

      Thats right. People don't go on being hypocrites if they realise it. That would be crazy. We all fail sometimes but we don't all keep doing it! Maybe unless your ethics system is weakened by unethical habits eg failing to substitute a deserted spiritual system with an acceptable secular ethical system thus leaving an individual with no ethical standards or a confused system with no rudder.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      Anything worth doing, usually takes hard work. It is much easier said than done, but it's worth it to have a character that's not rightfully targeted. We won't reach perfection on this earth, but it's still a goal to work towards.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      But Michelle, you have to admit that is easier said than done. We should do it, but we always don't. I think that is true for most, if not all people.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      I hear you.

      Let' s agree to continue trying.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      But being a hyprocite isn't something that we should know about ourselves... and continue to do. Once we realize it, we are supposed to change for the better.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Yep.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      Wow, something we both can agree on.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      I think we're all hypocrites---without reference to sex or gender or sexual orientation or religion or political affiliation or whatever other demographic variable one can conjure---and we all know it too.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      mbuggieh,

      It doesn't remind you of the Gay Pride Parades where they dress in scantly clad clothes if anything performing acts that should not be legally done in public, then say in the newspaper that they are just ordinary folks like heteros with jobs, mortgages, and stable relationships?

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      Jim Bean 3 years ago

      Talk about hypocrisy. People scream SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE when it applies to the government allowing prayer in schools, but when the government tries to dictate and step on religious rights, you guys forget about the separation then! This is what happens when people go to extremes, the pendulum swings a bit too far in the issue and your own words come back to haunt you. lol

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Can you say hypocrisy...???

      Reminds me of the "sanctity of marriage" crowd out screwing everything that will stand still or the DOMA crowd praising the lord and the godliness of heterosexuality and screwing other men in public bathrooms.

      Anyone ever read the novel "Elmer Gantry"?

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      I doubt these companies ONLY make abortion type products. They probably have thousands of products. I don't know, I haven't looked into it. I do know that everyone's conviction is different. If I hear of a company spending my consumer's money on projects I don't believe in, I cut the company off completely. I have a very select few places I can shop. But that is my conviction.

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      Jim Bean 3 years ago

      Bill,

      The article states that they invested in companies that produced abortion products. None the less, this is the "freedom" in religious freedom. The precedence was still set that the government cannot oppress anyone's freedom of religion, which doesn't make it illegal for these companies to invest in whomever they so choose.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      J,

      Hobby Lobby is not against birth control, only those they deem abortion type. You didn't know that??? I guess the lol is one you! lol

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      Julie McFarland 3 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      *abortion products. typo.

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      Julie McFarland 3 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Yet meanwhile, hobby lobby invests in birth control and apron products. Lol http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/04/01/h...

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      I agree. I am surprised, but happy that the court allowed room for moral conscience. I know I have stood behind Hobby Lobby since this started, and will continue to do so. If a company stands for something you strongly believe in, I think it is our duty to support them. Same goes for anyone who believes whatever. Hobby Lobby took a brave stand, and I will shop there because of it.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      BTW,

      I am very happy for Hobby Lobby that the Supreme Court decided to uphold their religious freedom and not take it away.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      mbuggieh said: "My observations tell me that there are few Christians who do not wish to impose what they believe on others. You vote, after all, with your religion as you are told to do from your pastor's pulpits. You work every day to impose your "values" on everyone."

      The funny thing is that there are many ways to say the same thing (a useful tool in propaganda) just like there is more than one way to skin a cat. The fact is that I never said I vote like my pastor tells me, nor did I say that anyone else did. I never said my vote was to "impose" my will on anyone.

      Religion is a personal philosophy and a set of guiding principles on morals. This has a profound effect on a person, just as any personal philosophy does, whether it is from a religion or any other belief. We, as humans, get guidance from our teachers, from books, and from our peers. We aren't just automatically blessed with knowing right from wrong. And we don't always follow to a tee what we were taught. We usually form our own opinions eventually. In other words, people vote for what they feel is right, not to "impose" their will on someone else.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      mbuggieh said:"Enjoy your majoritarian rule while it lasts, but remember that in terms of American political and social history:

      Majorities never last. What is considered "moral" yesterday or not today; what is considered "moral" today will not be tomorrow."

      I completely agree with you. This is a fact of life that no one, nowhere can get away from, which is what I have been trying to tell you. Every human today has agreed to conform to the rules of society by living in said society. I never signed a contract agreeing to following these rules that were made up way before I was born, but the fact that I am living in this society says that I agree.

      I was once a city planner and I always got a kick out of those old men who ranted and raved about having their "rights" taken away because they were denied a permit to cut a tree or build a shed. If one moves into a neighborhood with covenants or a city with certain ordinances, then one in essence agrees to follow the rules. If not, then move out. It is just that simple. I don't fault anyone for fighting for what they believe in, but the reality is that in most cases, if the majority wills it, then so be it. I accept that reality.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      I know you like to manipulate my words. That's your choice. I never said you should be MADE to leave. I said you have the right to. HUGE difference. And no one has every FORCED Christianity on anyone. It's not a law that you have to pray, go to church, or say the pledge. I don't see the issue. I don't like what the country is turning into, therefore, I have the right to leave anytime I'd like. And vice versa. If Muslim becomes the country's "religion", I will continue to vote my opinion and will not pray or worship in that manner, again, my right. No one is taking away your right not to believe in our "mythical god" as you put it. Thank you for your input. Have a nice day.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Whatever.

      Enjoy your majoritarian rule while it lasts, but remember that in terms of American political and social history:

      Majorities never last. What is considered "moral" yesterday or not today; what is considered "moral" today will not be tomorrow.

      And if your question was the one referring to imposition of your particular set of "morals":

      My observations tell me that there are few Christians who do not wish to impose what they believe on others. You vote, after all, with your religion as you are told to do from your pastor's pulpits. You work every day to impose your "values" on everyone.

      Why do you shy away from it?

      Why not proudly admit it?

      Why not own your agenda?

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      mbuggieh said:"How did you come to actually believe (as you apparently do or at least claim) that all that matters is what the majority wants."

      No one said majority is the only thing that matters, but you did say that minority rights is the only thing that matters, which is wrong.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      mbuggieh,

      You conveniently forgot minority rights, majority rules. You cannot have one without the other or there is no checks and balances, but do not think that our founding fathers didn't view this experiment based on a utilitarian approach. What is best for the majority is more important and the definition of morality is "society's" definition of right and wrong, society being the majority.

      I mean, I don't always like it. There are many things that I think are my given right to do, such as walk around naked (and not in my house). I don't see how this affects anyone and I am only showing the human form dictated by biology. But nevertheless, I don't go around crying about it. I conform to society's morals because that is the agreement we have to live in a society. When it gets to the point that I can't stand it anymore, I will go somewhere that I feel fits me, or in other words "get in where I fit in".

      I also see that you conveniently didn't answer my first post this morning! lol I don't blame you because there is no way for you to defend yourself for that one. lmao

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      "Hanging on a guillotine"?

      Fascinating mixed metaphor.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      I wonder Michelle, how people like you---who believe America is for them and for those who think just like them, can be born and raised in the United States.

      How did you come to actually believe (as you apparently do or at least claim) that all that matters is what the majority wants.

      How did you come to actually believe (or claim to believe) that someone should be made to leave this country or should leave simply determined to leave it because he or she disagrees with you and your church and your pastor?

      Is there anything more un-American than that?

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      And no body is hanging you on the guillotine for being an atheist, so... You're welcome for your minority rights.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      The US Constitution is designed to protect not majority rights, but the rights of minorities.

      Read the constitution, and James Madison's notes on the Constitution along with "The Federalist Papers". You will find that the constitution was sold to the American people as a framework for a secular government, for a "commercial republic" (their words, not mine), and as the guarantor of minority rights.

      As such, the US is not a Christian nation ruled by the will of a Christian majority, but a republic ruled by law.

      This is why the First Amendment so importantly respects freedom FROM (no state religion; no majority rules religion---remember Wild Bill the largest single religious group in the US are Roman Catholics) and freedom OF religion (be any religion you want; practice any way you want with no fear of suppression from the majority).

      The Supreme Court affirmed the First Amendment just a few moments ago (on 30 June 2014), and despite the fact that I subscribe to no religion, I do applaud them for protecting the rights of a minority---in this case the rights of minority of business owners (who privately hold their businesses and who do not publicly trade shares in their businesses) to be exempted from providing specific health insurance coverage to their employees if such coverage violates their religious beliefs and/or moral conscience.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      I admit nothing of the sort. I just get tired of your crap and its really not worth responding to your idiotic remarks, so I made my reply simple. If you don't like our society, go to a place where you're the majority, not minority. But you'd better believe that I will vote my opinion AND beliefs EVERY election!! That's my right and this is a republic where majority rules. That's why I said "if you don't like it, leave."

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Michelle:

      Leave...really?

      So you admit, with your remark that you think is so very clever, that it is not about your personal beliefs or personal opinions, but about a larger political, social, and national agenda.

      You are not as clever as you think. You have made my point with your comment "If you don't like it, leave." much better than I could ever have possibly made it.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      If you don't like it, leave. This country is 83% Christian and we will continue to vote that way. You're more than welcome to move to an atheist majority country any time you'd like.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      mbuggieh said:"You insist the US (and the world) to operate according to your "Christian" ideas and measures; you insist on bringing your gods and myths into the public sphere; you insist on teaching your creation myths into public schools, demand that politicians capitulate to you."

      I have never once said that my ideals or personal philosophy should be imposed on others. I have no agenda for imposing Christian beliefs in public schools or in the political sector. My children go to a private school that is secular in the sense that it is not associated with a church. Their spiritual education is taken care of at church and at home. My religion is my personal philosophy and I don't preach to anyone, so if you can find an example of where I impose anything on anyone, please feel free to show me.

      What you do have to understand is that the US is a country where the electors represent its citizens and the majority of the citizens are Christian. Christianity is a moral code and morality is defined by Arnold, Beauchamp, and Bowie in Ethical Theory and Business (9th edition) as being concerned with social practices defining right and wrong.

      What one must understand is that if the majority of people have been raised and live by a certain moral code, then the laws typically reflect that practice. It is only natural and one must take that into consideration when living in a society with others.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      mbuggieh said: "The only trouble with your logic Michelle and Wild Bill: You do NOT stop at the "this is my opinion" threshold. You---yes you and people just like you, insist on imposing your mythologoical gods and demons and mythological "biblical" narratives on us all."

      Did you really just say that? lol You keep coming to Michelle's Hub to tell her she is wrong and we are the ones pushing our beliefs? LMAO, it is so funny how people can justify their own behavior even when they are being hypocrites!

      Keep up the good work bug and keep fighting that good fight. Let me know how that works out for ya.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      The only trouble with your logic Michelle and Wild Bill: You do NOT stop at the "this is my opinion" threshold. You---yes you and people just like you, insist on imposing your mythologoical gods and demons and mythological "biblical" narratives on us all.

      You insist the US (and the world) to operate according to your "Christian" ideas and measures; you insist on bringing your gods and myths into the public sphere; you insist on teaching your creation myths into public schools, demand that politicians capitulate to you.

      The list goes on.

      So, don't bother with the "this is just our opinion" crap, because it is not just your opinion. It is your agenda---an agenda you actively seek to impose on others.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      Everyone is given the free will to have their opinion. All you can do is state your's and move on. God doesn't force Himself on us, but tells us the truth and gives us the free will to accept or reject. That's what's so GoOD about Him.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      Michelle,

      Another piece of advice is don't get lured into an argument with JM on her newest Hub because she is only antagonizing you to drum up business (i.e. hits on her Hub). Her and RA take this type of marketing campaign from the Kardashians believing that bad exposure is better than no exposure. And it is best not to pay them for bad behavior.

      I also find it funny that CS said JM is the most polite person in the religious topics! lol I don't think it is a coincidence that CS is an agnostic atheist either! lmao.

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      Oztinato 3 years ago from Australia

      Michelle

      Congrats for setting them straight! Well done.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      You can assume whatever you'd like. Just take into consideration the first three letter is that word.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      :)

      I hear you.

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      LOL ok that told me that my comment was rather short...well I am a short person...LOL

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Wow...I was once called "The Great Satan" but I was quickly replaced by another...;)

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      Oh heck I have been called Satan!

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Glad to hear I've been judged "evil" or at least inoculated with evil...;)

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      I have to reply, even though not many will understand. The "toxin" is called "just love". What keeps you immune from it is call EVIL.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      yes ma'am. Christian translates to little Christ or Christ-like. Most people in church are not true followers of Christ.

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      Michelle, there is a HUGE difference between Christian and Churchian.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      mcbuggieh said:"Sometimes I wonder, JMcFarland, what toxin affects the mind (or maybe the brain) when one determines to be "Christian"; I wonder how the toxin works to cause one to abandon all reason and logic; I wonder how the toxin affects the psyche so that one comes to idolize (yes idolize) an unknown mythical being inhabiting some equally unknown and mythical place.

      And I also wonder how it is that some of us remain immune to the effects of this toxin."

      Yes, yes mcbuggieh, I get it. You are smart and we are not. We are sheeple and you are one of the few humans that sees the world as it is. Got it. Thanks for that update! lol

      Like I have never heard an atheist pat him/her self on the back for being smart smart smart. Isn't it your four horsemen who labelled their little group they tried to start the "Brights"? lmao

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      Thank you Mr. Bob. Yes, there are many, many more. Tons actually found in Job alone. My main reason for suggesting they check out the book I mentioned (which contains things like you have mentioned and SO much more) is because I know it would be refuted very quickly, and then I actually was told that the bible has been rewritten so many times, and changed, etc. I found it was just better to leave it up to someone God has already given that gift to, and having people do their own research. Unfortunantely, most don't want to hear logic or reason unless it comes from a master level PHD with a white coat. The best thing that ever happened to me was, when I was going through a rough time in my life (basically hit rock bottom), my husband had left me and my children, and I had no one to turn to because I had recently moved out of state and my parents had left the country for vacation... Long story short: the only place I had to go to was God and study everything on my own, for myself. That was the best thing that ever happened to me. My entire life changed. The Holy Spirit gave me so much understanding, peace, and security... I can't even explain. If others want to say I'm wrong, that's okay. I just pray they get to experience what I have before it's too late.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Some facts:

      Stars are not countless (Cosmologists have estimated the number of stars in our galaxy);

      The Earth is not a "ball that hangs on nothing" (Ever heard of gravity?);

      Subatomic particles do not oppose each other nor are they held together by "something powerful" (Quantum physics; weak forces).

      So, are we now justifying the Bible with claims of its scientific literacy or accuracy?

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      Robert E Smith 3 years ago from Rochester, New York

      I want to encourage you Michelle to continue to write. I thoroughly loved the article and your comments.

      I would say that several of the scientific facts of Scripture that the Bible contains, written way before anyone knew the truth of themare: A. Stars being countless in the sky

      B. the Earth being a ball that hangs on nothing

      C. mountains at the bottom of the ocean

      D. a system of currents to equal paths in the sea D. the things we see that are visible are made up of things we cannot see

      E. The fact that within the basic makeup of substances (atoms) are forces that oppose one another and that those forces are held together by something powerful.

      Those are just a few that come to mind. There are many many more. I hope this has encouraged you, Michelle. Keep writing and caring as you do. Voted up and interesting, useful.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Michelle: You stated that the Roman Empire forced people to convert to Roman Catholicism or face execution. This is simply not historically accurate. There is no documentary evidence to support this contention.

      Even a cursory glance at the history of early Christianity and its relationship with the Roman Empire makes clear that the Empire understood Christianity as a problem to be solved; as a challenge to its authority---particularly in colonial outposts.

      So, once again, what specific book or person told you that it was the public policy of Imperial Rome to force its citizens to convert to Roman Catholicism or face execution?

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      I've answered you multiple times. You just don't like my answer. Unfortunately, one's logic is for open interpretation, and would be discredited by any who do not like what they hear. That I why I chose to excuse myself from y'all's questions. I could answer your immunity question, but that would be way too serious yet ironically hilarious at the same time, but very sad for you. But then again, you would throw it away as illogical... so what's the use in answering? (FYI: that wasn't a real question. I already know the answer.)

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      So...Michelle has no answer to my question AND "Wild Bill" thinks we need to capitulate to his and Michelle's uninformed opinions or move on.

      Sometimes I wonder, JMcFarland, what toxin affects the mind (or maybe the brain) when one determines to be "Christian"; I wonder how the toxin works to cause one to abandon all reason and logic; I wonder how the toxin affects the psyche so that one comes to idolize (yes idolize) an unknown mythical being inhabiting some equally unknown and mythical place.

      And I also wonder how it is that some of us remain immune to the effects of this toxin.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      Wait...did you hear that? Nope. Just the wind blowing hard.

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      Julie McFarland 3 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Bill, it has nothing to do with being right or wrong, and I know you can see that. I have been respectful when respect was shown to me. Unlike many believers, I allow comments on my hubs that are directly insulting, and don't feel like I have to protect myself from dissenting opinions by censoring them. I'm here to write and to have conversations. If someone makes a fallacy, I'll point it out, and would expect the same in return. The problem is a lot of people see a criticism of their belief as a personal attack, which it isn't. I don't take things personally. If you're so convinced that you're right and I'm just an angry atheist, why not start a discussion with me yourself? Nothing to do with business - I'd visit your hubs, but you haven't got any. You're a guest user on a writing site that wants to insult perfect strangers but not actually address them. It seems as though you fall under your own category of accusing others of what you yourself are guilty of. No worries for me either way, but if you're not willing to practice what you preach, why preach at all?

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      Trying to drum up business are we? lol

      I am sure that if you respond in a manner fit for civilized society, you wouldn't get censored, so it shouldn't be a problem.

      The reality is that you should take the time to do some reflection about what is really important in life instead of trying to bring down others.

      I mean, you came, you read, you stated your thoughts, but instead of chalking it up that maybe someone has a different point of view than you, you kept going and going and going. I don't know if it is because you love the argument or you really won't quit until they say you are right and they are wrong.

      The best thing she could do is just ignore you, which is what I will also do from now on.

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      Julie McFarland 3 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Wild bill, why don't you take it up with me yourself instead of hiding on a hub where my comments are censored? I'm sure you can find my own writings.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      Yes. Their true colors come out in times of crisis. They just can't handle it when someone does not believe what they believe. I don't attribute that to a belief or non-belief. I think there are just those people that need the reassurance of having everyone to believe what they believe.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      Wild Bill, I believe it has gotten to the point that you are right. I wouldn't really need to defend myself (even if it is my article) against the obvious. I guess I can just approve and choice to no longer answer.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      J,

      When most people have an annoying trait, they are usually the last one to see it because if they could, they wouldn't act that way.

      You say you are against those that push their beliefs on to others. You say you are against closed minded people. You say people only cite books/articles that only reaffirm their beliefs and this comes from their biases.

      The funny thing is that you are all of these things, yet you don't even realize it and this is why you get blocked so much.

      I am Catholic, yet it irritates me when Protestants, who are technicall in the same faith I am, try to push their beliefs onto me.

      To most people, you are just as pushy as those Christians that put down others who do not believe as they do. Wake up and see the light. Have a cup of coffee tomorrow morning instead of jumping on your horse to continue this war against religion. Live and let live. You have to realize that other people have different beliefs than you and just because they do, it doesn't mean they are liars or stupid.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      Michelle,

      If I were in your shoes, I would allow those comments to stay on so others can see what is going on.

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      Julie McFarland 3 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      While you allow insulting comments against me from someone else? How Christ like of you. The blatant Hypocrisy is blinding, and we both know what jesus said about hypocrites.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      JMcFarland - Write your own article and say all you want. I've allowed you ample voice here. I'm tired of being targeted as a liar, ignorant, unable to answer questions, and the list goes on forever. It's over.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      Wild Bill, you are right ...and this is why I began deleting instead of arguing. Attempting to prove yourself with such folk just make you look silly as well, and gets you know where. I'm not going to be provoked into an argument.

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      Wild Bill 3 years ago

      Michelle,

      You are learning the tricks of the trade of our non-believing friends.

      JM thinks she wins arguments by asking if you have a PhD, because if you don't, you should not argue with her. She actually says this so much she should put it on a t-shirt and wear it around! lol I think she went to all of the trouble of getting her doctorate in religion so she can debunk the oppression of her youth.

      RA has no intelligent ideas of his own so his only responses are "So is this why your religion causes so much hate!" or "I'll see you by the fire!".

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      I realize that. I just don't want to be misunderstood as a religious person. I feel there is a huge difference between relationship and religion.

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      I didn't say you push religion.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      I don't push religion. I am anti religion, if anything. And anyone may post any type of article they'd like.

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      Like I said too, this is NOT a strictly religious forum nor is it a strictly non religious forum. Everyone has a right to their opinions say and level of learning around here.

      Thanks for not blocking that or me for that matter. There are many more people around here that like to push their religion and degradation around Hubpages as it is.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      Actually LG - You were not blocked. Read the comment from Sunday morning. It explains. No need for lies. JMcFarland and RA have been the only ones blocked and only today. (Also Randy, but only because he asked me to.) Thank you.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      Excuse me, I am not learning impaired. I have given you the answer you will get from me. You guys need to learn to do your own research. This is one of my reasons for becoming unwilling to go along with people's comments. I don't have to prove anything. My answers will never be good enough for you, so I will not waste my time indulging your need to "prove me wrong", because that is what you are out to do. There is plenty information backing my claim. You are a scienctist... Google it!

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      Randy and mbuggieh , I was blocked too and thought what the heck!! I have been blocked many times by many people. All I told her was that all caps would solicit arguments and that got deleted. Haha!

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Michelle:

      Please answer my question as to where you learned that the Roman Empire created the Catholic Church and executed Romans (throughout the Empire) would would not convert to Roman Catholicism.

      "History" is not answer. There is nothing in any legitimate historical record or document that supports your contention.

      So, again, where did you hear this nonsense?

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      mbuggieh - disagreement and hate are two very different things to me. I have not posted a majority of the constant, blatant attacks, and will not in the future either, esp. one person's attempt at trying to get me to be as rude as they are.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      Religious Atheist - I have asked you many times to stop. You have now been reported for abuse.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Michelle:

      Why is disagreement with you hate? Do you, as Christian, express nothing other than hate when you disagree with someone?

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      Religious Atheist and JMcFarland - You're welcome for stopping any form of smearing, entrapement, and provoking for personal gain. I'm sorry you are upset and do not understand the simple words I've used. It really sucks when people throw double standards in my face, and get mad at me because I get tired of taking the abuse. And you're right, religion does cause too many conflicts. That's why Jesus spoke so harshly about the religious. Please go try to trap someone else. I am finished with your games. If you don't agree... write your own article.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      Righteous Atheist - I've asked you to stop but you will not. I will not post your hate on my site.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      HISTORY. Research Spanish Inquisition and Crusades. Answers are there.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      JMcFarland - I'm sorry your feelings got hurt. If I were acting like you had no comment, I wouldn't be responding where everyone can see it. I just won't post your arrogance or rudeness any longer. Thank you for choosing to end your comments. I've nicely told you multiple times that we were finished.

      Everyone - It seems as if there has been a misunderstanding of my article. I am not here to debate the trueness of God, nor is this an article to prove His existence. Like I've been writing, but no one seems to read it, It's not my job to prove God's existence. He has already done so Himself. It's just my job to share Him. You believe what you wish, and I will believe what I know. This is America... home of the "FREE". Believe what you want. My article was stating SIMPLY that I see no point in atheist forming a group about not believing in something. End Point.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Michelle: Your response does not answer my question. Where did you find your "information" that the Roman Empire---or its late remnants, forced people into Catholicism?

      Telling me that you were once a Roman Catholic is not an answer. Suggesting that the Catholic Church is little more than a reconstitution of paganism is not an answer. Noting that the Inquisition and Crusades were contrary to basic Christian values is not an answer.

      Answer my specific question: Where did you learn that the Roman Empire forced people into Catholicism and executed those who would not convert to Catholicism?

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      I do, in fact I was born Catholic, and have a very large Catholic family. It's very sad for me to see my loved ones drawn in and held prisoner by religious traditions which are almost all pagan. The beginning of the Roman Catholic Church was nothing more than just changing some names of the pagan statues and the names of the holidays. It's sad, but most people misunderstand the true, absolute love of God. It's not all that complicated, but most find it to easy to be considered acceptable. Unfortunately, the Spanish Inquisition and Crusades have been thought to be played out by "righteous Christians", but it was actually evil trying to make a bad name of Christ. And it seems as if evil is having its way. No true Christ follower goes on murder sprees.

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      mbuggieh 3 years ago

      Michelle: In what history book did you read the nonsensical claim that the Roman Empire forced Christians to become Catholics? Do you have any idea of how, in fact and in history, Christianity came to the Roman world?

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      Everyone - Open comments have now been closed. You can feel free to leave a comment, but it will be reviewed and decided whether or not it will appear on my article's page. If you do not like this, write your own article. That's the whole point of this site. I will not tolerate bullying, cheap shots, badgering, or hate speech. Thank you.

      JMcFarland - I'm afraid you must have me mistaken with someone else. That's the first time I've quoted that verse to anyone. I know it's convicting. That is the point of the Holy Spirit, to convict us to do GoOD. Also, atheist means that one does not believe in ANY deity, so if you do... then you're not an atheist. And YES, anyone acting apart from the Holy Spirit does no GoOD. Without God, there is no root of any moral system. Everyone does what is right in their own eyes. You may do good by a humanly standard, but that is far from real GoODness. If you act apart from God, how can you do GoOD. GoOD is being God-like.

      "Righteous" Atheist - You are confusing Christ followers with the religion of Catholicism. It was the Roman Empire who went around telling Christians to convert to Catholicism, and if they refused... they were killed. Anyone who goes on a murder spree... is not a true Christ follower. I knew there were people out there who purposely follow Satan, and desire to rule in Hell, but I am truly sad to hear that you are one of them.

      I do pray that the Holy Spirit works in both of your lives before time is over.

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      "To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." Psalm 14:1

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      I have read the book and met the SCIENTIFIC ENGINEER who wrote it AND attended a conference with closing debate with him as the guest speaker. My purpose is because I do not wish to waste my time or energy dealing with foolish folks who will always have an insult and demand they are right. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. Please stop trying to "trap me" or "put your righteousness" in my face or whatever it is you're attempting. You are misquoting your bible. It says to be ready to give an answer for the hope that is in you. I have done so . My communication with you has now ended. May the Holy Spirit touch your heart.

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      Julie McFarland 3 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      I have no desire to tear anyone's faith apart, thank you. The bible tells christians to always be prepared to give a logical defense (a justification) for the hope that they have. You are unwilling to do so. And you still haven't even confirmed that you've actually READ the book from a non-scientist that you're actively promoting, which leads me to believe that you haven't, in fact, read it. Which makes it impossible to have a conversation about it - and you're not interested in scientific evidence anyway (so why you'd promote a christian "science" book is beyond me, since science is so unimportant anyway). Can you make up your mind, possibly?

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      Michelle Ascani 3 years ago from Deep in the Heart of Texas

      I can name many! But like I'm getting tired of explaining: I have nothing to prove to anyone. Read it for yourself. Such successful scholars should be able to afford a book for less the $10. And If you don't agree with it, feel free to use it as an example to year Christians' faith apart.