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I’m Wiccan, I’m Told I’m Going to Hell, and I’m Okay with That

Updated on May 8, 2015
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Sage is a professional writer of 14 years, and a Wiccan of 25 years. Her religious ideas and experiences often inspire her work.

Wicca and Hell

I’m going to Hell. At least, that’s what some Christians say to me. They tell me in online forums, in E-mails, and once in a while, to my face. Occasionally, it’s a statement aimed at Wiccans in general, or about Wicca. But they mean me.

I realize not all Christians feel this way; Christian beliefs and interpretations vary. But there is a good portion of Christians who feel that Wicca is basically the direct road to Hell. Some even seem happy about it—with sadistic glee, they look forward to relishing my fate; they’ll be vindicated when I realize it.

Most Christians are not happy about it at all. They want to help me. They would love to see me and other Wiccans come around, find Jesus and end up in Heaven. They’re not trying to threaten me, or put me down; they want to warn me that I might not see it, but I’m on a truly dangerous path with a catastrophic destination.

They think I don’t understand—but I do. It’s they who don’t understand. I’ll try to explain so at least those of you who are concerned about me (or perhaps about someone else you know and love) why someone might be okay with that.

And for those non-Christians who wrestle with those fears of Hell, perhaps this can help you as well.

To foster better understanding, also read: Wiccan Myth Busting: 5 Most Common Misconceptions Christians Have about Wicca

"Hello, Wiccan-- Welcome to Hell"

I guess we'll see who's right some day. To be honest, I'm not worried, not even a little bit.
I guess we'll see who's right some day. To be honest, I'm not worried, not even a little bit. | Source

Challenging Mainstream Beliefs About Hell

Raising Hell: Christianity's Most Controversial Doctrine Put Under Fire
Raising Hell: Christianity's Most Controversial Doctrine Put Under Fire

If you want an intelligent discussion about why some Christians, Jews, and most of the rest of the world doesn't believe in the fire-and-brimstone type Hell, here it is. An interesting read.

 

First and Foremost, I Don’t Believe in Hell

I know it’s in the Bible. I know the verses, and the ways it’s interpreted. I understand that Christians believe Jesus came to Earth to sacrifice himself for our sins, and that accepting Christ as your savior is necessary to get to Heaven.

Comprehension isn’t a problem—agreement is. I don’t believe it. I don’t believe the Bible, or any of its doctrines like Hell, came from any God. I don’t believe such things are true.

I don’t believe YHWH is the creator of all. I don’t believe he is the ultimate authority or the only God. I don’t believe he has control over everything and everyone. I don’t believe that people need to worship him. I don’t believe Jesus was God, the son of God or any kind of savior. I don’t believe the Bible writings about him are factual.

I don’t believe in the concept of a good vs. evil battle going on in the universe. I don’t believe in any devil or Satan figure. I don’t believe we have to choose sides.

I simply don’t believe Heaven or Hell exist, period, other than mythologically. This is not to offend you; but to help you understand why warnings of Hell are ineffective, even if it is in the Bible, and even if you believe that was Jesus’ raison d'être (if he actually existed at all, that is).

This is not a whim, either. It has nothing to do with what I ‘wish’ to be true, because the only thing I ever wished for was to actually do what is right. I have really, seriously and sincerely looked into these things. I have studied scripture (both in a Pentecostal Bible study group, as well as in college as literature and in comparative religion courses). I have had countless discussions with Christians. I’ve read books by Christian apologists, I watch their shows, interviews, listened to audio recordings. I have given it more than a fair chance, and am even open to being proven wrong.

My conclusion is, I just don’t believe. Not only do I not believe it, but if you took every religion that ever existed and asked me to put all the different beliefs in order of believability, going from most to least, the Hell/salvation thing would be close to, if not at, the bottom of the list. Perhaps the only thing saving it from coming dead last would be the Xenu story found in Scientology.

You follow your beliefs because you honestly and sincerely think they are true, right? Guess what? Me too… I have examined things pertaining to religion from all angles, and I am being true to what I believe is right. I can’t abandon that for something I think is wrong.

Christians, riddle me this: would you give up Christianity, and all you believe, because someone of another religion tells you something bad is going to happen and their God will be angry at you if you don’t convert to theirs? I’m guessing ‘no’. Now you know how I feel.

I can’t live my life based on what people of some other religion think will happen to me, especially when I truly think and feel that religion is dead wrong about it.

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I Can’t Believe a God Would Send People to Hell

I guess you could argue Hell makes sense if you’re talking about the worst of the worst— people like Osama Bin Laden or Jeff Dahmer. I still wouldn’t agree it makes sense, but you might be able to make a plausible case for it if you argue it's punishment for the truly depraved people who cause immeasurable pain. Beyond that, I can’t believe a God who is loving and compassionate could send people to a place like Hell. i just can't reconcile the two.

I’m not perfect of course, but I try to do what’s right. I try to live a responsible life, without hurting others, without breaking laws or cheating on taxes. I try to be kind and helpful to others, and make my contributions to my community and world at large. I can’t see anything about my life, or most non-Christians like me, that is Hell-worthy.

“Ah, but you’re Wiccan…” you might say. “You might mean well, but you practice things God forbids: idolatry;”-- (at least, your Bible would call it idolatry; I’d call it worshipping the actual true Gods I believe in) – “witchcraft; you don’t repent for your sins, or accept Jesus as your savior. So going to Hell is your choice, not God’s fault.”

But also in Christian beliefs, God made all—he made both Heaven and Hell, the humans on Earth, the tree of knowledge with forbidden fruit, which he put in the garden where he knew ahead of time that the humans would eat it, he made the devil who he knew would deceive the humans, he knows what people will think, believe and do before he even creates them, and he is the final judge on where we go. He’s got a hand in every single aspect of it, and unlimited power to change it.

It doesn’t work both ways. Either God is loving, good and wants to keep us from hell—in which he’d do everything and anything possible to get through to us (and he has all the knowledge and power to get through to us) to help us be good. Or, God allows people who he knows won’t understand or follow his message to come into the world, refuses to correct them when they’re mistaken about him because he wants them to come to the realization on their own, and then allows them to move on to eternal torture (a system he himself set up) after death. The latter could not be a good God, so it can’t be both ways simultaneously.

I try to relate to this by thinking about when I have been in charge of children—since God is seen as a loving parent figure, to me is the best comparison. I have worked with children, as well as raised my own. You can lay down the rules, but kids don’t always follow the rules. Or understand the rules. They can forget rules, disregard rules, defy rules, or misinterpret what rules mean.

As the responsible adult, the kids are ultimately my responsibility. If I tell a child “Don’t go in the street, or you’ll get hit by a bus,” and the child doesn’t understand me or chooses to defy me, I still must do all in my power to help that child understand why he should not go in the street. If he does go in the street, I’m not going to let him get hit—I’m going to rescue him. Give him as many chances as he needs. And if he gets hit by the bus, it’s my fault—he was in my care.

This is true if I’m just a human watching kids. It’s ESPECIALLY my fault if I am a deity, who built the road, and put the kids near the road, and knew what the kids were thinking, and I knew others were egging him on telling him it was okay, and watched the kids walking out in the streets without changing my approach (if obviously warnings were not working), and if I did not forcibly grab the kid and pull them from the street from the path of the oncoming traffic.

That’s the problem with claiming Hell is an eternal fiery burning pit of torture God created as a punishment—it is an unjust punishment for about 99% of crimes. It is not a constructive punishment because it doesn’t teach to help improve behavior; since it comes after your life, the deed is done.

Can you imagine waiting until your child is 18 to punish him for everything that he’s ever done wrong? The lessons would be completely lost and meaningless. An all-knowing, all-powerful God would be aware of this simply psychology fact about human nature. So it comes down to:

  • If God can’t stop us from going to Hell, then he’s not all-powerful.
  • If God can stop us from going to Hell, but doesn’t, then he’s not good.

There simply is no way in my understanding to reconcile these two positions.

I Feel Bad for Snakes

Beautiful creatures, given such a bad rep due to this whole 'serpent in garden' stuff. But I'll use them for illustrative purposes here.
Beautiful creatures, given such a bad rep due to this whole 'serpent in garden' stuff. But I'll use them for illustrative purposes here. | Source

“Free Will” is Not a Relevant Argument

“Free will…” you might say; “God doesn’t interfere with your free will.”

That doesn't cut the muster either when it comes to non-Christians going to Hell. Sure, you have free will to jump into a pit of venomous snakes. I might not be able to stop you—but I am going to do everything I can, short of falling in with you, to stop you. Even if you want to jump in, I’m going to try to stop you, assuming you don’t really comprehend the fate at hand.

When you’re talking about God and non-believers in that God, the ‘free will’ is irrelevant. Non-believers (me, for instance) have searched high and low for the venomous snake pit and can’t see any evidence that it exists at all. It might be clear as day to the person who put the pit there and filled it with snakes—to me, it’s completely invisible, and highly unlikely to boot. You shout warnings, but I can't 'hear' you-- I don't know what you're saying; it makes no sense-- you're not speaking my language. The warning sounds like gibberish to me, and I'm really clueless in this scenario.

So if you were right, I am not exhibiting free will to jump into the snake pit, I’m completely deluded and wrong. The being who set the snake pit in my path knows this, can read my mind perfectly. He knows that the attempts he’s made to warn me have failed—not because I was defiant, but because I missed them entirely, they didn’t make sense to me. Yet he still lets me go on my path, saying it’s because I have ‘free will’?

Being terribly, horribly, fatally wrong is not free will; nothing good would let someone suffer the effects of such a dire mistake.

Are Christianity and Wicca Compatible Religions?

Some claim that you can be a Christian Wiccan, or a Wiccan Christian. I don't believe this, and here's why:

The Problem with Christian Wicca: Why It's Usually Neither

But What If I AM Wrong?

This is the final question it always seems to come down to: what if you are just plain wrong?

If that’s the case, and if that ends up being true, then I will willingly go to Hell.

Do I like the idea of being tortured eternally? No… but, I have to do in what might be my only life, what I believe is right and good. I know with all my heart that I have sincerely followed the path I thought was right, and that I did my best. I might be wrong about some things, or about anything, but it wasn’t for a lack of trying to do the right thing.

As a Christian, wouldn’t you be willing to face torture or certain death to stand up for your beliefs and principles? Why would you expect any less of me?


My Religion Teaches Me to Take a Stand

Educate yourself, be thoughtful and do your best, then stand up for what you believe in. Stand up for what you think is right.  Accept whatever comes with that.
Educate yourself, be thoughtful and do your best, then stand up for what you believe in. Stand up for what you think is right. Accept whatever comes with that. | Source

Finally, I Could Not Get Behind a God Who Allows a Hell

Okay, let’s recap: God creates Satan, creates hell, creates man (and flawed, to boot), creates things within man’s reach that will ultimately lead to him being deceived. God left us the tools to help ourselves – Jesus, the Bible – yet God knows before he even does these things that not everyone will understand. He knows people will still be mistaken, be raised in other religions or tricked by deceptive supernatural beings, he’ll watch it all happen, he knows that some of us will read the Bible and hear about Jesus and think it’s as much as a fairytale as Peter Pan. He’ll leave obscure, ambivalent evidence, but ultimately wants it to be our choice and for us to have ‘faith’ (which is believing something without evidence). And he knows all of this in advance, and has the power to change any part of it at any time. Still, he’ll just let it happen because he gave us the ‘freedom’ to screw up badly enough that it would, unbeknownst to many unsuspecting non-Christians who only meant well, result in very real torture for eternity.

This is exactly why in all sincerity I could never worship your God, Christians. This is why it baffles me beyond believe that you would worship him, and actually think he is good.

  • If a God cares more about what you believed than the fact that you did your best in life according to your understanding and ability, then he’s not a God I can support.
  • If he’s more concerned about your worship of him than of what you made of your life and how you treated others or contributed to the world, then he’s not a God I can respect.
  • If he could create a fiery, burning pit of deadly, eternal torture, and allow anyone to go there by saying they’re free to do so (about a free as a blindfolded person who falls into a snake pit you’ve put in their path), then he’s not a God I could worship.

I could never stand by and abide by that kind of situation; I could not be party to it. So even if you could prove to me right now that your beliefs about God and Hell are indisputable facts, I’d still be going there, by my own free will.

But I have to go back to the fact that this is all hypothetical—because my first and foremost point makes the rest nothing but exercises in supposition: I really don’t believe in a Hell, or in a God that created one. So it’s not something that worries me.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      If there is a hell, and if you do go to it, you'll have a lot of company with some Christians who don't live what their Bible preaches. At least you won't be lonely there. :)

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      Callie B 2 years ago from Saint Louis, MO

      Love this article!

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      Julie McFarland 2 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      I enjoy this article very much. Voted up and awesome. While our beliefs differ (I'm an atheist) I found myself agreeing with your points, and wish that more people who embrace hell concepts of any religion would look at it from this perspective. I often get asked about why the idea of hell doesn't scare me into believing, but the answer is relatively simple. I would not worship any being who would send millions to eternal torture, and Secondly they are not afraid of any other version of hell but their own but can't understand why not everyone is afraid of theirs.

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      Yvonne Jones 2 years ago from Huntsville, Ontario Canada

      Good article, and you are of course 100% correct. I personally believe in God, but not in religion. I find it is used at almost every turn to control people, sort of like politics...same old, same old. You have to do what your conscience tells you is right, and nobody has a right or knowledge to tell anyone else where they will end up.

      I certainly don't believe anyone will be judged by what religion they subscribe to, or how or if they worship a certain way. Being true to ourselves and doing what is right, empathy and common decency is key, as far as I am concerned. True spirituality, and not rituals and is what makes the difference in the effect we have on others and the world in general. If you live by what you truly believe, and go out of your way not to harm others, how can you be wrong?

      Concerning Christianity: I have read the bible, and I have not once read a passage where Jesus told us what religion to subscribe to. According to the bible though, He said to follow in his footsteps. He was Hebrew and went to their temple, yet he preached his word in the open, in nature. He healed and forgave.

      Personally, I have adopted the 10 commandments to live by rather than a specific religion, because, guided by that, there is not a lot of room to mess up:-). I do admire you for standing up for what you believe in, and for the thought that you have obviously put in this article.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      I don't doubt that, Billy. Thanks!

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Thanks Mama Mac, it's been brewing a while. I appreciate your comment.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Thanks JMcFarland; I think you hit it on the head-- people have an easier time understanding why they don't believe in someone else's religion, but still can't imagine why you don't believe in theirs. The human mind is a strange thing. Thanks for stopping by.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Thanks for your insights, JSI. I agree with you a lot. I have no problems with Christianity, I think both Judaism and Christianity are beautiful religions and the Bible does contain a lot of wisdom. It's certain interpretations of certain concepts I can't get behind, especially when they're used as a sort of weapon to try and strike fear in others. I appreciate your comments!

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      MizBejabbers 2 years ago

      You’ve made some good points, and I couldn’t have said it better. (I’ve been a little outspoken about man’s religion myself.) One point I’d like to add: In the Christian faith bad guys like Osama Bin Laden don’t necessarily go to hell. On their deathbed all they have to do is yell, “Oh Jesus” and they go to heaven, yet my father, a good man but an atheist, in their eyes went to hell. I can’t think of anything more unfair or ungodly. How would you like to be in heaven with Bin Laden, Hitler, et al. just because of one little loophole?

      I’m not Wiccan, but I love nature and Gaia. Nothing makes me happier or feel closer to the earth spirit than to sit by a lovely stream and watch the fish and other wildlife. Or to sit at the window and watch Lord Agne shoot off his fireworks on a rainy evening. I believe in reincarnation and that our lives on earth are one big game in the universe. I believe that our lives are just paths we are on and it may take us several lifetimes to get off one kick and onto another until we are able to free ourselves of the constraints of the 3rd dimension. In the meantime, I send you love and light and salute you on your path. I enjoy your writings and I am glad our paths have crossed. I think we will see each other in the 5th Dimension, but not in hell.

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      Catherine Giordano 2 years ago from Orlando Florida

      Congrats on an excellent hub. You had me at Hell...O. Voting up.

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      Christy Kirwan 2 years ago from San Francisco

      Very eloquently and patiently explained. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue, and I love your respectful tone and voice.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Thank you Christy, thanks for your comments.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      LOL very funny! Thanks Catherine, I appreciate it!

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Thanks for adding that point, MizBejabbers, and it's a good one. I've known some people who very admirable, wise, who I consider blessed just for having known them. They touched many lives, yet were not Christian... the idea that they are deserving of such harsh, horrific punishment forever simply because the Christian religion made little sense to them just makes me shudder. I simply cannot fathom that this could possibly be the way a deity works.

      Glad to get to know you now, and look forward to knowing you again. Thanks for your comments; I wish you many blessings.

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      Peter Rogers 2 years ago from Plymouth

      The hell of the Bible comes from the Valley of Hinnom, Jerusalem's rubbish dump where the bodies of executed felons would be dumped without performing the necessary burial rites. Fires were kept burning to destroy the rubbish, with sulphur added thereby becoming the pit of fire and sulphur, or hell, only later contrived to be the Hell of modern Christianity.

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      social thoughts 2 years ago from New Jersey

      You're preaching to the choir, as they say. I love your points about if he's a parent then he's failed. That's a concept I hadn't considered. My favorite argument is if we (pagans) were like them, technically, they are going to Hades for worshipping false idols since pagans originated the stories Christians repackaged as their own, including a place of torment for punishment.

      Blessed be!

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      Yvonne Jones 2 years ago from Huntsville, Ontario Canada

      Yes, Wiccan Sage, I agree. There are a lot of bad interpretations, and in my opinion they are used to control people. When people don't use their minds to think things through, or are afraid to, the outcome is ridiculous comments, such as you were getting..

      And believe me, any opposition to the content in the inflexible minds of such individuals brings on that type of insult.

      My husband and I where told we would go to hell, because we did not want a regular church wedding, but instead used town hall for the legalities, and then had a small gathering were we exchanged our wows and personnel promises to each other. After 30 years, we are still together and happy, although both the people assuring us we will go to hell, have been divorced and remarried, one of them twice.

      Also interesting, traditional church weddings are not mentioned in the bible. So if we go to hell for that, we should be getting pretty crowded. Just more misinterpretation, and petty minds using it to attack others.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Hi Radical Rog; Yep, Gehenna in Jewish beliefs are where people go temporarily (less than a year) to be purified; not to be tortured eternally. Also interesting that Jews don't believe Satan was a fallen angel; he's not cast into Hell, he is still with YHWH and always has been working for YHWH. It's like you can see the myths evolving if you go back far enough and follow them. Thanks for your comment!

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Thank you, Social Thoughts. It's true, and our arguments would probably be as meaningless to those Christians as their Hell warnings are to us. I actually feel sorry for people who live their lives with that kind of fear of Hell over their heads. What a burden, and for no reason. Appreciate your comments!

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Amazing, JSI. I got told once I was going to Hell because I wouldn't take a Bible tract.

      Of course, I was standing at a bus stop, grocery bags hanging off both arms, counting change in my one free hand, just as the bus was pulling up and opening its doors... so this gentleman riding by on a bike thinks God will torture me forever because he came up at an inconvenient moment. For all he knows, I could be a minister delivering bags of groceries and Bibles to the poor on the way home from my Sunday sermon. So for some Christians, I think the concept of 'Hell' has just become something of a club they try to smack people over the head with when you do something they don't agree with. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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      Liz Elias 2 years ago from Oakley, CA

      Bada-bing, bada boom--BAM! Spot on!

      You've said so many things that I've held to be true for many, many years. I do not believe in Heaven or Hell. I do believe that our life force/energy does continue, and I think there is more evidence for ghosts than for any god. (I do not capitalize the word, for I view it more as a job description than a name.)

      I was raised in a nominally Christian tradition, even though the family was not church-goers. I, too, studied the writings, and I also used my own common sense and logic to arrive at my own conclusions. I even studied for a short time (and I rarely tell people this), to become a nun.

      That led me to atheism. I consider myself to be more or less "pagan" these days, not because I worship or pay homage to any deities at all, but because I believe in the old ways of deep respect for Mother Nature.

      What you have said regarding hell and punishment fits right in with what I've been saying for a very long time, which is this:

      If this is such a 'loving god,' then the idea of any eternal punishment would be approximately equivalent to a parent locking their child in a closet or their room until they grew up and got old, because they disobeyed a parental rule. That's just not the done thing.

      Some of the things that happen to us, and that are written off by believers as 'god's will,' if we did to our kids, would put us in jail for felony child abuse.

      You cannot simultaneously have free will and god's will, or the idea of pre-destination. One invalidates the other. A child who becomes ill with a deadly disease, very sad for the parents, but I'm afraid my take is usually 'well, there's your 'loving god' for you!' I have to bite my tongue!

      My husband is actually a licensed minister, who refuses to practice, and is basically also an atheist, exactly because of what he learned in seminary school. And that is, that the Bible is basically BS. Made up, written by men...and I mean MEN..not just 'humans,' because the years in which it was written were very patriarchal and chauvinistic. It was not written in one sitting; it was not written by contemporaries of the man Jesus (and that was a common name in those days)...it was written centuries later. And then it was revised, and revised, and revised, most notably at the council of Nicea, in 300-something C.E. ... to eliminate books that the priests thought 'commoners' should not know.

      And, belief in the trinity, as espoused by Christians, would basically mean that Jesus 'did' his mother to give birth to himself. How twisted is that???

      Mainstream religions--all of them--are simply about power and controlling people. Millions of people over the centuries have been brutally murdered and tortured in the name of some religion who thought they had to force conversions to their way of thinking. Thanks, but no thanks. I have no use for religion in my life. I don't need some priest spouting at me to know right from wrong.

      Voted up, interesting, useful and awesome!

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Thanks Ms. Lizzy; many good points here, and I totally agree. I really have no issues with Christianity in a spiritual or philosophical sense, but when someone tries to push dogma to be taken literally that's exactly where the religion begins to fall apart. I appreciate your comments, very thoughtful and insightful. Thanks for stopping by.

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      Amanda 2 years ago from Michigan

      "Hell" simply means being where God is not. What I find interesting is that paganism existed long before Christianity and yet it is criticized based on misconceptions. The fact is that pagan religions have developed evil stereotypes based on a few bad apples, such as satanic ritualistic followers. When the integrity of pagan religions is upheld, they are in fact the most peaceful and become a way of life. Problems start when people believe their religion is superior to all others. Like you, I have met many Christians with this mind-set. The world would truly be a much better place if everyone stopped judging different beliefs and minded their own business. Trying to impose your beliefs onto another person is just down-right sad and only shows insecurity. There is too much time being spent on hating and judging others, and not enough time learning to tolerate, accept, and love others even for their differences.

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      Miran Shuleta 2 years ago

      An interesting read, you've really got me thinking...

      Great Hub!

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      Amanda 2 years ago from Michigan

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/foun...

      When I came across this link I thought about your article again. It's something everyone should read. There are a lot of people who think the U.S. should be a Christian nation. It's crazy that the founding fathers knew better than that. This country was established to allow freedom of religion and separate church and state. Although this article does not explicitly site information about other religions including pagan religions, it is still a good read.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Thanks, Amanda. I am with you-- I can respect and even relate to many forms of Christianity, but the fundamentalist fire-and-brimstone extremist interpretations to me are so off the mark, and are sadly giving Christianity a bad name. Thank you for the article, it was a very good read, definitely bookmarked. I appreciate your comments!

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Thanks Miran, for commenting. I'm glad I could give you something to think about, thanks for letting me know!

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      Anusha Jain 2 years ago from Delhi, India

      Very interesting views, I really enjoyed reading them. Belief is something which you could say is an extremely relative thing. A person's upbringing plays an important role, then off course his or her open-mindedness, willingness to attempt and try-understand people who think and behave differently matters. In India, we have so many religions - I mean, I knew many different gods, goddesses, hells and heavens as a child. :D It really helps to put things into perspective. I believe in god, but I am perfectly fine to be around people who don't. And I don't think they are going to hell either :) I believe in spiritual goodness more than anything else. The deeper you go into it, the more you realize, that is all it's actually about. Trying to be good. :) Again - great hub. And don't mind when I say that, it's funny at many places :D Sarcasm can create good humor sometimes, and best sarcasm is unintentional. How ironic :)

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 2 years ago

      Hi Anusha, thanks for sharing your perspective. I am like you, I don't think what you believe will matter, it will all come down to how you conduct yourself, particularly in how you treat others. No offense taken at funny, I take it as a compliment. Thanks for your comment!

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      jimdynamite 21 months ago

      I found your article while I was researching the movie the Last Keepers and read your perspective on being Wiccan and being condemned to hell by Christians. I am a Christian and Do Not Condemn you or think that you are going to Hell. As a Christian we are taught that Jesus Died so All will go to Heaven! Today just as in Jesus' time there were those that act and think that they are holy but their Hearts are far from it. Jesus was about Love, not hate. Never did Jesus Condemn. The problem is not whether you are Wiccan or I am Christian, whether I believe your religion or you believe mine, the problem is within the person. There are those that use any religion to push their own personal views, and agendas. Those who do that and say they are Christian are not Christian. Jesus' words are very clear and concise, he wants us to believe in the one GOD, but more importantly he tells us to Love our Neighbor as we Love Ourselves. How we treat people is what matters, not how much one can say lines from the Bible or force others into their view. Jesus never forced anyone to do anything, and he Always Loved and forgave, even those who crucified him he forgave. Forgiveness is also a major theme with Christ. In the only prayer that Jesus teaches us he clearly states "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us", just as he tells us to turn the other cheek.

      The parable of the Good Samaritan sums up what everyone should do and be no matter what religion we believe. I have pasted it below.

      "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell into the hands of robbers, who stripped him, beat him, and went away, leaving him half dead. Now by chance a priest was going down that road; and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan while traveling came near him; and when he saw him, he was moved with pity. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, having poured oil and wine on them. Then he put him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. The next day he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said, 'Take care of him; and when I come back, I will repay you whatever more you spend.' Which of these three, do you think, was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of the robbers?" He said, "The one who showed him mercy." Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise."

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 21 months ago

      Thanks for your input, Jimdynamite. I appreciate your taking the time to add a detailed response. As I said, I realize not all Christians believe the same thing, so I appreciate your input.

      I myself am a Pagan, I believe in and worship Pagan Gods rather than Jesus and YHWH (who I don't personally believe is 'the one true God'); but I can relate to your beliefs that how we treat each other is what's really important. I think when it comes down to it, we all have to respect each other's spiritual differences and leave each other to our respective journeys. We may disagree, but that doesn't mean we can't get along.

      ~Sage

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      Mel92114 17 months ago

      Sage, you continue to inspire and awe me! This article is just amazing and explains PRECISELY my views and feelings on the matter. THANK YOU! What a blessing you are to the Pagan community!

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      Athena Druid 16 months ago

      Fantastic article! Thanks for sharing! I, too, have been told that I will go to hell for being Wiccan. Well, more like I've been told I will burn in hell. I am constantly telling people what Wicca is, what we do not believe in, and so forth. They just don't want to listen. So, I totally understand where you are coming from. As a Wiccan I FULLY support you.

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      Tabitha Carrell 15 months ago

      Thank you for taking the time to write this. You have made very good points. I wish there was some way of knowing the truth about God. I am a Christian but the points you have made are things I have questioned as well. One thing I wonder is why does most all religions use the threats of hell for those who are different in their beliefs. Our Creator made all of us unique. Common sense tells me if we do what's right in life and care for others then our purpose was served. I have faced judgement for doing things that are right and the ones who judge the most claim to be Christians. Whenever people can't understand something in the Bible we are told it's because we are only human and don't have the capacity to understand. I am getting confused now on what to believe.

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      Peter Rogers 15 months ago from Plymouth

      Read the Gnostic gospels, those the Church tried to destroy, especially the Secret Book of John, the writer of Revelation. These tell of an All Father God and Mother Goddess and also of another god, a god who when he saw he wasn't the only god, as he thought he was, created mankind to give him the worship he wanted. Everything after stems from this.

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      Dragonlady127735 15 months ago

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      Dragonlady127735 15 months ago

      I did not read your article in its entirety but I like what I have read so far. It is nice to know that other people are experiencing what I experience. I do not believe in heaven or hell either or the Devil. I find it interesting that when my Christian friends talk to me about the bible they always talk to me AS IF I believe the bible. As if we are debating something in the bible but definitely not the bible.

      My problem with people's interpretation of God is that he seems sometimes like a scapegoat. Like he is someone to blame when things go wrong. Somebody dies, and people say, "Well, it's God's will." Or they'll say "God is in control." I have heard people say "God gave me cancer." Sometimes it seems to me that people do not take responsibility for their lives and their beliefs. A good example is the sign I have seen, "God hates fags." I want to respond to them and say "God does not hate fags. You do! Stop blaming God and own your own hatred!"

      When I look at the world I see this theme play out too. I think, "Why do we pray for peace when we wake up every day and practice war?" We are the ones engaging in war and killing. We are the ones who allow people to be homeless and hungry. These things we could do something about. They have nothing to do with God or maybe they do but I think that we are lead to believe that we are powerless and we are not.

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      Suzanne Pontius 12 months ago

      This makes sense to me. I am a former fundamentalist now exploring Wicca. When I really started to think through the concepts of Christianity, I saw that the whole thing didn't make sense. And then I read some good books about the evolution of religion.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 11 months ago

      Mel, thank you so much for your kind words, though late in resopnding I wanted you to know I appreciate it.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 11 months ago

      Hi Tabitha; thanks so much for your comments.

      I don't think the Christian concept of hell is actually very common at all. Even Jews didn't believe in a fiery burning pit of eternal torture for not believing. Other religions believe there may be some kind of period of repentance/punishment/purification, but most see them as temporary states. Most Pagan religions just believed there was some kind of spirit world, but it was not a reward or punishment. A few people in myths were thought to have been cursed by the Gods for really pissing them off, but these were just the occasional myths, which were never meant to be taken literally. Mainly it was just a spirit world that was the next stop on the journey for everyone.

      Beyond that, other than some (not all) sects of Christianity and Islam, the idea of eternal damnation punishment is pretty uncommon throughout history.

      Having been raised a Christian, I can relate to your struggle because I went through it myself. I came to the conclusion that there are too many different opinions to just have faith in one group. I have to live by what truly makes sense to me, I just had to figure that out. In some ways I still am. It's an ongoing journey.

      Blessings upon your path, hon! I hope you find the answers you seek.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 11 months ago

      Did I pass the test? LOL... maybe points off for turning it in late.

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