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In search of the Apostles, John 'The Beloved'

Updated on October 22, 2016
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Loving God and loving mankind is an important part of who I am, in these hubs we explore what it's like to really follow Jesus.

The man

A tenth century inscription of John dictating to one of his disciples
A tenth century inscription of John dictating to one of his disciples | Source

My favorite writer

The Gospels themselves are amazing pieces of literature, four different accounts of the one life, yet at the same time because they are each trying to argue their case from different perspectives they all seem to start at different times.

Mark is reputed to be the first written, and as it seems to have been written in a hurry (Peter was awaiting execution and dictated the gospel to John Mark, or so the tradition goes) it starts with the start of Jesus' ministry by the river Jordan.

Matthew is concerned that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, the long awaited one who was to be the deliverer of the Jewish nation. He starts his account with the lineage of Jesus going right back to Abraham and shows how the lineage can be traced back through the Royal line of David (important to Matthew and to the Jewish nation) all the way back to Abraham and how Jesus can claim to be the 'seed of Abraham' who'll inherit the promise given.

Luke argues for Jesus being the 'son of man' and traces the lineage way back into antiquity right back to Adam but not through Cain or Abel but through Seth as the promise said it would be in the Garden, he shows how Jesus is the promise to Eve fulfilled as the 'seed of the woman'. He also goes through and shows how Jesus 'as a son of Adam' was also (because Adam was) a 'Son of God'.

John does something else, something quite unique. He doesn't stop at Adam, or even at the creation of the world, he keeps going back in time to the very moment when the universe sprang into being, and then claims that he was right there 'in the beginning'

I have to admit, on those grounds alone the fourth Gospel is my favorite, as it shows us just whom Jesus really is!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

— John Chapter 1 verse 1

But who was John?

Jesus had twelve disciples, and this series is trying to explore a bit about who these men really were and what they were like? How could a bunch of seemingly simple folks, ordinary working class people have such an impact on their world and the lives of countless billions that came after them that they're still shaping our world today?

And what really was their message?

Is their world really so different to our today?

I've actually just spent a couple of hours writing on another site about the seven wars that my home country (Britain) is currently involved in throughout the Middle East! It'd be easy for me to say that things were so different then, life was so much slower and there wasn't so much bad news around, and it would be total BS! (Yes I did use those initials on a site that I'm supposed to be writing about 'nice Christian stuff' on! but there's no other way to describe it!)

The world of Ancient Rome was just as dangerous a place as our world today, yet they managed to change their world and largely for the better! How?

In previous hubs, we've looked at the lives of Peter, James, Andrew and Mary, we've seen some of the challenges that they faced and how they dealt with it, but as we look at John's life things are a little different.

Let's take a look.

John the Beloved

Gets the point over, he was the 'beloved disciple'
Gets the point over, he was the 'beloved disciple' | Source

Start at the right place, the END!

When John wrote his gospel, he was actually at the end of his life, his are the musings and fond memories of an old man, remembering the 'good times' and some of the not so good that went on in his 'youth'

Historians reckon that John's Gospel was written around 90 AD not long after (or maybe before) his writing of Revelation. There are some differences in the two books that have led scholars to argue that if John wrote the one then maybe he didn't write the other, things like the fact that the Greek in the gospel of John is pretty good, but the grammar in Revelation would certainly have gotten him a 'fail' mark with Aristotle or Socrates! It's apparently atrocious!

Then again, take a look at the two books, in one there's stories of Jesus and Jesus explaining parables etc where in the other it's serpents, marching armies destruction and the ultimate horror only to be stopped by the final coming King. In one the Messiah comes and is rejected by most where in the other all hell is breaking loose on the earth and no one can stop it, until the coming back of the promised Messiah!

Even the first story in John's gospel has the feel of an old man telling a disciple what it was like to walk and talk with Jesus, he even remembers what he and Andrew asked Jesus that first time they met him, just after his Baptism.

You can hear him saying, "We asked him where he was staying?" but he replied. "Come and see!"

It's known that Emperor Domitian (circa 90 AD) tried a few times to have John executed, but it seemed that nothing they tried worked! but it does show us that he was probably well into his eighties at the time and that would make him very young at the time the gospel accounts start (if he was 80 in AD 90 then he would have been about 18 when he first met Jesus in AD 28!)

Here's a thought, how many of us would trust an eighteen-year-old to change the world? Yet that's how old John was! and Andrew probably wasn't that much older!

I'm saying that as they were both with John the Baptist when they met Jesus, they probably hadn't started 'formally' learning the business their brothers and John's father were in, yes they'd probably done nights on the sea and knew how to fish, but actually learning a trade was something that Jewish men did in their twenties so that by the age of thirty they were fully equipped and ready to take on life as an adult as well as a wife.

An old man remembers

We all love to reminisce about the 'old days' and there's probably times when we sit and think about how wild those 'old days' really were.

Pandemonium as a wedding because someone swapped the wine around and let everyone get drunk on the cheap stuff before bringing the 'good stuff' out! (but the servants knew what really happened, and they didn't mix the wine up!)

P#$%ing the authorities off for their stealing in the Temple! Sorry but no authority figures like being called a bunch of thieves, but John was there when Jesus did that, he remembers the chaos as everyone was running for the door, being whipped by a furious Rabbi from backwood Galilee who's cussing and calling them a few choice names as they run!

Then there's the Miracles! Imagine the scene, the body's been in the grave four days, the mourning ceremony is well and truly ended, but the family, still there as Lazarus has been put in the family tomb, people are still arriving to pay their respects and offer condolences when Jesus arrives. They think he's come to do the same, but Mary and Martha just can't help themselves and they let him have it!

Like a double barreled shotgun, they both tell him "IF YOU'D BEEN HERE, LIKE WE ASKED, THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED!!!" (Don't believe me? read it for yourself, John Chapter 11 verses 20-22 for Martha, she gives Jesus a 'way out' but Mary isn't so kind in verse 30)

it's like John is saying "I was there when these things happened!

The bit about that story is what happens next, imagine the uproar when Jesus stands at the tomb and calls out "Lazarus, get out here!" and for a few seconds nothing happens, you can almost hear the laughter begin, but then total bewildered silence as the once dead Lazarus slowly shuffles his way out the tomb, still bound, but very much alive!

What do you think happened next? A praise meeting? or total chaos as people ran about not knowing what the heck they just saw, they knew Lazarus had been dead, and no one's come back from that place before, but here he is, living, breathing, walking and talking!

Incidentally, the story tells us that the Jewish authorities wanted to kill not Just Jesus, but Lazarus too! just to hide the miracle!


Who was he?

Okay, we've seen a little about whom it is telling the story, an old man reminiscing about his earlier days when he walked and talked with Jesus, but who was he?

Well, the Bible and the other gospels do tell us a little about him, his father (Zebedee) had a fishing business on the sea of Galilee, by the accounts Zebedee had actually done quite well with the business and he had a couple of boats, possibly even a few servants, some scholars even think that Simon (later called Peter) kind of 'subcontracted' from Zebedee or at least they worked closely together as there are times when they're literally 'in each other's boats'

John himself was a disciple of John the Baptist (as was Andrew) and that's where he first appears, he's there when Jesus is Baptized and gets to talk with him afterward. From there the friendship grows.

But there's another clue, John's Mum is named Salome and she's actually the one who often literally 'bankrolled' Jesus' ministry! Maybe it was her and Zebedee together (she's just the one shows up with the money) or maybe Zebedee died not long afterward, we just don't really know.


Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger (brother of Jesus) and of Joseph,[a] and Salome.

— Mark 15 verse 40

Who really wrote the gospels?

Man of influence

Apparently, tradition has it that Mary (the mother of Jesus) and Salome were sisters! That means one married a carpenter and the other a fisherman, but they were both cousins of Elizabeth who was married to a priest and was the mother of John the Baptist!

All these family connections are going to play an important part in the drama as it plays out. Mary and Joseph had done well, but with other kids to feed they would struggle supporting Jesus and his ministry. Jesus is known to have had other brothers and sisters so the purse strings would have been stretched thin.

Salome and Zebedee seem to have had the two boys and done pretty well financially, they were in a position to support Jesus, and they did, is that why Salome asked the special blessing on her boys?

When the time came, and Jesus was on trial before the Sanhedrin there was one disciple who had the family connections to 'get in' and listen to the trial, to be able to report back on what happened, Peter had to wait outside, hoping not to be recognized, John was right there, with Jesus and I wonder if he really cared or not about being recognized? everyone knew they were cousins! (it's just us who don't pick up on these things!)

John could tell us the full story of what went on, it's John that tells us it wasn't the full Jewish Sanhedrin that met! Just enough for a 'quorum' and "Make sure they're all Jesus haters" you can almost hear the high priest say!

John seems also to have followed Jesus into Pilate's presence and tells us the discussion that went on there, or at least he knew what was said!

And he wasn't yet twenty-one!

The trial of Jesus

John tells us exactly what went on at Jesus' trial, he doesn't and can't really rely on the other accounts as none of them were actually there!

Yes, Matthew was there listening to the crowd when Pilate offers either Jesus or Barabbas to walk free, he was there when the crowd (incited by the religious leaders) screamed for Jesus to be crucified, but he wasn't there when Jesus faced Pilate, John was! John was right there when Jesus faced all the accusations, he was there when he replied (or didn't) and he was there right at the foot of the cross when Jesus was nailed to it! Jesus even talks to John right there 'on the cross' and asks him to look after his Mum for him, in other words, to take over the role of an 'oldest son' (and John's not yet twenty-one!)

Even now, as I think about it I can almost hear John the 'old man' remembering what Jesus said to him right there when he must have felt like everything was lost, all that they'd worked for over the last three years was vaporising right before his very eyes! All the hopes of changing the world, all the dreams of future glory disappearing as Jesus slowly dies on the cross, and John's left to pick up the pieces.

But it's 'John the old man' who knows the end of the story that's telling us what it was like, the story didn't end there, and even though we're going to stop for a while the story doesn't end there.


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All for now

That's all for now folks, we're not finished with the Apostle John yet, but there's so much to write that I thought a break might be in order.

Hopefully, after reading this you'll never look at the Gospels the same way again, they're old documents, yes, but they were written by real people, with hopes, dreams and they weren't that much different to you and me, they just lived in a different time and place.

As the song says

And we all know

That people are the same

Wherever you go

— Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder (From the song 'Ebony and Ivory'

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      Lawrence Hebb 7 weeks ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Trish

      Thank you for the comments, there's some truth to the claim in that none of the earliest manuscripts we have actually name their authors.

      What scholars do is look at the early Christian writers and see what they say, at least that's where they start.

      Some of those writers were known to be disciples of the original twelve, eg Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp were both John's disciples, they tell us that John was Bishop of Ephesus and he wrote his story of Jesus down.

      Next they look at the kind of language used, was it what a Galilean fisherman would write? What about phrases from where he was supposed to be writing?

      Quite a lot of even evangelical scholarship today would say it's possible the gospels were written not by the Apostles themselves, but by a disciple!

      For me, I'm happy to say John wrote his work, but I more wanted to look at the man, and the traditions that have come to us about them.

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      Tricia Mason 7 weeks ago from The English Midlands

      Hi Lawrence.

      This is very interesting and I shall go on to read more. (I thought I'd have a look at some of your hubs after I read your comments on my own.)

      But I would like to ask, please, for your response to the claim, even by Christian experts, that no-one knows who wrote the gospels - that they are anonymous works?

      Thanks :)

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      Lawrence Hebb 8 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Tamarajo

      Glad you enjoyed it. It was fun taking things 'out of the box '

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      Tamarajo 8 months ago

      Hi Lawerence,

      My favorite revelation from your writing...

      "He doesn't stop at Adam, or even at the creation of the world, he keeps going back in time to the very moment when the universe sprang into being, and then claims that he was right there 'in the beginning'"

      Wow! I really loved that observation, when compared to the purposes of the other genealogies.

      Interesting teaching and historical background information.

      God bless

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      Lawrence Hebb 8 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Headly

      Glad you enjoyed the hub, I've got to admit, I enjoy doing this kind of article and 'digging a little deeper' to see what people might have been like.

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      Jeremy Christian 8 months ago from Texas

      Great hub Lawrence. I always like to read stuff like this about the characters of the bible. To get a more real sense of who these people were and get a better gauge of the temperament of the time and place they lived in.

      And please don't feel you need to go into a disclaimer about some colorful language here and there. I'm a Christian as well, but do not subscribe to the whole no swearing aspect of it. I'm not even sure where that comes from. While I'm sure there's quite a few things God may want to address with me in my judgement, I just can't see my colorful language being brought up. Seems silly to me. I proudly and unashamedly use the WHOLE english language and find it sometimes very effective, as you did here, to say what needs to be said how it needs to be said. So, I say, swear on, Brother.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      I anxiously await! I thoroughly enjoy reading your HUBS for we all need to be reminded of the disciples and their contributions to the Gospel of Christ!

      Since you "STUDY" Scripture, I know you will (after "studying" Scriptures given) find what is WRITTEN in HIS WORD is TRUE! JESUS NOW SPEAKS to us DIRECTLY "IF" we have "WAITED!"

      This is the ACTION ("POWER") of the New Covenant! IT'S SPIRITUAL - ALL SPIRITUAL!

      Take a moment now Lawrence to read the Scriptures I've posted to you! It won't take but about 15 minutes! I want you to "see" it's in GOD'S WORD!

      Thank GOD you are one of the "few" who has an "open mind!" MOST don't care whether WRITTEN or not! It goes to show how they feel about their salvation! Scripture says we "change from glory to glory" (II Corinthians 3:18), but MOST prefer to remain "complacent" which DEFIES Scripture!

      Again, I look forward to reading Part II of "John, The Beloved!" If Part II is as insightful as Part I, I will continue to say "ENCORE!" "MORE, MORE!"

      Norine

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Amen to that. By the way I'll be starting part 2 today, but it'll probably be next week when I finish it.

      Lawrence

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Without the "ONE MIND" of the Holy Spirit (aka JESUS) the professor's saying is TRUE!

      "STUDY" Lawrence!

      That's ALL I've ever asked of anyone!

      Blessings

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Thank you Lawrence for allowing!

      There are over 33,000 different denominations in the US alone but IF we would have OBEYED, we would be "WITH ONE ACCORD" (Acts 2:1; 2:46; 4:24) as the disciples when the FIRST CHURCH was established on the Day of Pentecost. Paul urges us to "have no division among us" (I Corinthians 1:10) but when one doesn't "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for the HELP of the "Promise" (John 14:26; 16:13) who "leads and guides us into ALL truth," that's what happens! Christ has "ONE MIND" and if we would have "WAITED" we would be "WITH ONE ACCORD!"

      Why can't we see it's not what "I think" or "they think" but what the WORD of GOD SAYS! If Christ has "ONE MIND" (II Corinthians 13:11; I Corinthians 3:3; Philippians 1:27;3:15-16;4:2; I Peter 3:8-9+++) HE doesn't tell me something different than HE has others! HE tells us "exactly" what's in HIS WORD!

      It's just that RELIGION has "brainwashed" people who want to believe in GOD into deception! Satan is shrewd, subtle, and conniving and has used the ONE THING (The Holy Spirit; aka JESUS) who "reconciles one to GOD" as his weapon! Satan has taught MOST HE (aka Holy Spirit) is something "demonic, crazy and not "religiously correct" (Acts 2:13)! Doesn't Bible continue to fulfill Itself? Jesus Christ [is] the same yesterday, today and forever" (Hebrews 13:8) and MOST react to HIM the same way! Pagans believed that of the Disciples back then as they do today!

      If one would "STUDY" Scripture, they would "see" GOD spoke of a New Covenant "AFTER THOSE DAYS" (or after HE resurrected), in which HE would "put his laws in EVERYONE'S hearts and minds" (Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10; 10:16) and "we would not have to teach anyone anything anymore" (Jeremiah 31:34; Hebrews 8:11) because HE (aka Holy Spirit; JESUS) would speak to us DIRECTLY as HE did the "apostles whom he had chosen" (Acts 1:2)!

      JESUS "Promised" the HELP we needed to "connect to HIM" in John 14:1; 26; 16:13 and sent HIM on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:2) so we would acquire HIS MIND to be "WITH ONE ACCORD" but MOST don't care what's in Scripture because that not what they've been "taught!"

      I give WORD! If what I give differs, they should have faith enough in their belief to show me where GOD'S WORD is wrong, show me where HE didn't say what HE said, show me GOD'S WORD is a LIE! Therefore, if it's not in HIS WORD, it is WRONG!

      Again, I encourage ALL to "STUDY" how the New Covenant (which we CURRENTLY live under; "GRACE") came into being, when it came into being, where it came into being! What does in entail (Promises)?

      Here are the "chronological order" of events that lead to the New Covenant: (1) New Covenant Promised; Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10; 10:16; (2) Jesus DIED which created "After those days;" (3) However, BEFORE HE DIED, HE "Promised" A Comforter (aka Holy Spirit); John 14:26:16:13; (4) HE asked us to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) "for the promise" which would give us "Power" (Acts 1:8) to be of "ONE MIND;" (5) HE sent "the promise" (Acts 2:2); (6) HE spoke through the Holy Spirit to HIS "apostles whom HE had chosen" (Acts 1:2) as HE does with us TODAY!

      Now go get your Bibles! "STUDY" as the Bereans "to see if these things are so" (Acts 17:11)!

      Blessings

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Norine

      Fair comment, if we didn't have 'some' error in our doctrines we wouldn't have eight thousand denominations, I think what most react to is when one says all those who think differently are wrong.

      I'm glad you encourage us to study the scriptures for ourselves (just like the Bereans).

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Hello Lawrence: This comment was made in response to "Eric's Sunday Sermon; The Polarization of People" which he continues to "delete!" Please allow for ALL to know TRUTH!

      Listen Eric! I love Lawrence, you and ALL others on HP regardless of how they feel about me and will "correct" if what they've written is not in accordance with Scripture! That's my calling!

      I pray you READ these Scriptures: "Everything that pertains to life is in Scripture" (II Peter 1:3); the WORD "IS" GOD" (John 1:1); and if HE told us to "JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT" (John 7:24) and the WORD of GOD is the ONLY "righteous judgment," (Proverbs 30:5) why would you say "God will judge" as though HE hasn't "ALREADY JUDGED" (John 16:11) when HE left HIS WORD?

      HE told us to "REBUKE our neighbor and not suffer sin upon him" (Leviticus 19:17) and to "JUDGE" those who are "in the house of GOD" (I Peter 4:17)! If we are "going to JUDGE ANGELS" (I Corinthians 6:3) "...how much more things that pertain to this life?"

      Eric, RELIGION has not told the TRUTH! I give WORD which "corrects" (II Timothy 3:16) what MOST have been "taught" and because MOST have been deceived and believe teachings, they perceive as arguing!

      Did you read my HUB "Christians Grumbling Arguing and Judging?" You MUST! It "corrects" some of the false doctrine MOST have been taught!

      I'm not here to hurt anyone but to "plant a seed" (I Corinthians 3:6)! However, it's up to the individual to "STUDY" (II Timothy 2:15) for ONLY GOD can "...give the increase."

      Thank you Lawrence!

      GOD BLESS!

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Thank GOD for TRUTH!

      I love you Lawrence! Let us continue to "press" (Philippians 3:12-14)!

      Blessings

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Norine

      No you don't!

      My thoughts on that is 80% of missionaries are women, and mostly single ones at that!

      If God calls you then man needs to get out the way,!

      The first hub in this series was about Mary, Jesus mother, she was with him a lot during his ministry!

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Oh, Oh! "Some of those?"

      Do I hear "No women preachers?" What's your thought?

      Norine

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Norine

      I agree on some of those. I did do a few exploring the lives of some of the old testament characters, I think I only got as far as Abraham!

      Thank you for the compliment.

      "The new is in the old concealed, the old is in the new revealed"

      Lawrence

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Have you consider "The Prophets?" Isaiah is may favorite although ALL where "vessels" for GOD!

      What about Joseph; who suffered the same as Christ but reigned in the end?

      And then there's Abraham, Moses, David, Women in Scripture; OH GOD - SO MANY!

      The Bible is FASCINATING!

      I believe the Old Testament is "JESUS concealed" while the New Testament is "Jesus Revealed" and would love to compare events in the Old Testament as to how Jesus fulfilled in the New Testament! That would be an interesting HUB as well!

      LORD, I could keep you busy! lol

      I certainly enjoy and appreciate your biblical writings! Not many give "praise" where it truly belongs!

      Look forward to MORE!

      Blessings

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Norine

      We'll get there, I may even continue on after the Apostles and look at some of the incredible characters in the early church as well (some of them were pretty radical)

      Lawrence

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Wait until you study Paul! It was as though JESUS HIMSELF continued walking on earth!

      FASCINATING!

      I can't wait!

      Blessings

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Linda

      Thank you for the compliment. I'm also learning a lot as I 'put things together' too! I'd not really seen the family connections that went on between Jesus and his disciples, and it's been great to explore them.

      There's more to write about John, and yes the Romans tried a few times to execute him, but seemingly nothing worked, so he was sent into exile, but even there they couldn't stop his influence or message!

      Glad you're enjoying the hubs.

      Lawrence

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Norine

      We just can't help ourselves can we? I certainly can't!

      My favorite stories are pretty much all found in John's gospel!

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      Linda Lum 9 months ago from Washington State, USA

      Lawrence - I have been looking forward to another installment, and what a gift today to have your thoughts and research on John. I think he was the only Apostle who lived to be an old man; all the others were martyred.

      I love these hubs--your work puts all of the pieces together so that we really get a picture of the person. (And to think that some day we'll be able to ask him all about it. )

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Regarding "the words of Jim Elliott "He is no fool, who gives what he can't keep, to gain what he can't lose!"

      I sure "can't keep it" to myself because "Its like fire shut up in my bones" (Jeremiah 20:9) and "gain what I can't lose" because "HE is a rewarder of those who diligently seek HIM" (Hebrews 11:6)!

      I love THE LORD and give HIM "ALL" the Praise!

      Blessings

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      MsDora

      I can't help it! I love reading it, and I love telling stories, writing hubs like this is a way of combining the two!

      Hopefully people see the Bible slightly differently after having read the hubs.

      Lawrence

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 9 months ago from The Caribbean

      Enjoyed the details you present on John and others associated with him. What a wonderful experience he had to be present at and mindful of so many episodes in the life of Jesus! Excellent story-telling, impressive Bible knowledge.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Norine

      It did cause a smile here

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Do you realize I got John the Baptist confused with John Revelator? I just noticed myself! I'm doing to much! Closing on this commercial building and trying to reply in between!

      Sorry!

      Blessings

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Norine

      As I read your comment, I was reminded of the words of Jim Elliott "He is no fool, who gives what he can't keep, to gain what he can't lose!"

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Bill,

      What you suggest is actually what a lot of people do!

      Most of the great people down through the centuries have done that to some degree.

      John's story is amazing as he was so young when all this happened.

      There's more to follow, but that'll have to wait a few days.

      Lawrence

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      In Matthew 11:11;18-19 Jesus said of John, "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist (v18) For John came neither eating and drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. (v19) The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children."

      Isn't it the same "today" (Hebrews 13:8)?

      YES! "Fascinating literature!" IT keeps "fulfilling" ITSELF!

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      Bill Holland 9 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Can you imagine having a life and then giving it up completely to follow someone and begin a ministry? You are right, the Bible is fascinating literature. Thanks for an in-depth look at one of its more fascinating characters.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Bill

      Thank you, and I will do.

      Lawrence

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      William Kovacic 9 months ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

      Hi Lawrence,

      I'm continuing to follow the series. I have some thoughts on the book of John that most people would probably find fault with. If yo get a chance, I'd appreciate it if you would check out my 4 part series on, The Gospel According to Who? Not to be argumentative - just curious as to what your thoughts are. You can find Part 1 here,

      https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Gospe...

      You a great job of highlighting the events that took place. Thank you.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Eric

      Interesting what you say about the 'witness in court' that those lying have identical testimony!

      There are some things all four Gospels have, but even there they tell things slightly differently.

      In my family, we've got stories we've passed down orally for generations, doing some research into the stories myself I've found they go back nearly three hundred years (I was stunned) and the truth was more dramatic than the already amazing story we told as a family!

      Glad you enjoyed the hub

      Lawrence

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      My elder son and I have argued over John's testimony. We have talked about the past when he was just a teenager. No doubt we see things differently. I say mine is more accurate and he says his is. Clearly reality is somewhere in between. Is an old man speaking of what he witnessed as a teenager accurate? And that is the spice that I really adore about John's writings. A vision from youth told through the lens of a long and learned life. Have you ever sat with a man with senile dementia? I have and their recollection of an hour ago is poor, but somehow God gives them perfect accuracy on what happened 40 years ago.

      This series is awesome. It reminds me of the quickest way to know a witness or two are lying in court. Their stories are exactly alike. Impossible. So I love hearing and learning of the perspectives.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      John

      Glad you liked it, I have to admit I love John's gospel too, it just reads like he's right here, sat in my armchair and telling me what it really was like!

      There's a lot more to say about John and his life, but felt that I needed to keep a little for future hubs so that we can have a much closer look at his life.

      Blessings

      Lawrence

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      John Hansen 9 months ago from Queensland Australia

      Lawrence, I love your account of the gospels of the Apostles, and of course I would say that "John" is my favourite. This is excellent reading.

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      I'm praying not!

      Thanks!

      God Bless!

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      Lawrence Hebb 10 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      I will try not to leave it too long.

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      Amen!

      Blessings

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      Lawrence Hebb 10 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Norine

      As I said, we started in the right place, at the end of his life 'looking back' with him!

      You're right, he does know the end from the beginning. Einstein got that right, that time and space are part of our dimensions and God's outside of them, that's why John starts writing 'in eternity'

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      GOD KNEW John was going to be used to write Revelation on the Island of Patmos! GOD (as usual) looks at the END whereas we can only look at the beginning and "hope" for the END! HE saw the LOVE John had for HIM and his family; so much until HE bequeathed his mother to him.

      YES!

      I thoroughly enjoyed it and AGAIN am looking forward to MORE!

      Blessings

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      Lawrence Hebb 10 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Norine

      We'll get there, honest!

      I really enjoyed writing this one as I really do see Johns Gospel being written that way!

      It's almost like he's sat there with us round a fire with a hot drink just telling us "What it was like!"

      Glad you enjoyed it.

      Lawrence

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      YES! "The disciple whom Jesus loved" (John 13:21-10; 18:15-18; 19:26-27; 21:7; 21:20)!

      I wonder why we all don't have that attitude "I know HE loves me best?" I always say, "I KNOW HE carries a picture of me in his wallet!" lol

      I THOROUGHLY enjoyed this HUB and am certainly looking forward to the others; especially Paul! lol

      He's my favorite for he acted "in Christ's stead" (II Corinthians 5:20) and taught us "The Gospel of Christ" (Galatians 1:6-9) which leads to "Salvation" (Ephesians 2:8-9)!

      MORE! MORE! MORE!

      ENCORE!

      Blessings