Is God a Failure? Perfect Society of Angels
Angels inspire the minds of many people to conjure tales, compose musical masterpieces, sing praise to heaven on high, and hope for a better tomorrow. The purpose of creating angels in popular culture is for God to use them as emissaries to humanity, to help carry messages, or aid humanity in some way. Did God fail in the creation of these mystical beings?
A comment written in another article begs the possibility that maybe He did. Not only do those comments suggest God failed with angels, but with just about everything He created!
When Comments Become Articles
Articles themselves may not hold a candle to the comments readers attach to them in response to a point made within them. Intelligent people have the ability to analyze someones' work and mine out the parts that bring them inspiration or that garner a need for explanation. Such comments were made by Brad the Agnostic and Jason Reid Capp recently in response to the concept of the perfection of God, specifically the God of Christianity.
Brad indicated that God is a failure--proceeding to list what he perceived as the things God failed at doing. Jason added to Brad's estimation by using Scripture, then defining parameters to qualify a definition of Gods failure. (It is only fair to note that I intend to defend the integrity of God's perfection; and, I disagree with the premise of these men's estimation: God failed because of a philosophical construct limited by their mortal perception. I intend to point it out during the article.)
It was pride that changed angels into devils; it is humility that makes men as angels.— Saint Augustine
Brad's comment almost reads like poetry as he describes his beliefs. Each point stands alone as an emblazoned accusation against the omnipotence of God. Because of its organization, I frame it as a poem here:
God has failed.
He failed with the Angels.
He failed with Adam and Eve.
He failed with Cain and Abel.
He failed with Moses.
He failed with the billions of humans, as the humans have not changed for the better before or after Jesus Christ.
This is from the fable you call the Bible.
Take away your Bible and you have no contact with God, I don't mean that you don't talk to Him, but He never responds.
All the natural disasters kill thousands and millions of people, and they call them acts of God.
Brad's sentiment seems to be that if God is what religionists and the Bible claim Him to be, why did all those bad things happen and still happen. God failed at all the things above and quite a few other things according to these sentiments.
Jason, for inference, stated in his comment that. "God [said] himself in Genesis 6:6 that he regretted making mankind. He also said again in 1 Samuel 5:11 that he regretted making Saul king. Regret is a feeling of disappointment over something you failed to do, and here we see in scripture itself that God admittedly made mistakes. What does that mean, exactly? How can a being be both perfect and with flaws? That doesn't compute."
Jason defined regret as "a feeling of disappointment over something you failed to do."
I am not attacking faith or spirituality... but I am saying that a conversation needs to truly be open on both sides for it to really achieve anything. Based on what you shared here, it sounds like neither you or Brad the Ag were open for much of anything.— Jason Reid Capp
Valid points based on the information that most of humanity has, these scathing accusations toward God of what is wrong with existence because the Creator somehow is less than perfect creates the atmosphere of doubt. If God failed at these things, what else did He fail at?
Modern society is full of questions, reasonable ones that deserve answers--from God! Let's discuss each accusation and attempt to fathom a broader understanding over the course of several articles, this being the first. This article will determine if God is a failure with angels.
God failed Angels?
Depending on the religious tradition, angels represent anything from wisps of vapor who change into physical representations of winged sentinels of diety. Because my understanding and beliefs about angels differ than those of Brad the Ag, automatically arose a disconnect in our communication. We did not determine where we agreed so that we would properly explore our differences.
As a former Catholic, Brad argued from a perspective that differs from mine in that I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a Saint.
What does (or did) Brad possibly believe about angels?
Official statements about angels from the Vatican are that they exist and are non-corporeal beings of pure intelligence without the limitation of men. Angels exist to serve God under the direction of Christ and have always existed with God since creation. Angels also have free will. 1 & 2 Possibly, that is from where Brad's understanding comes.
What do I believe about angels?
Angels come in several classes; however, angels are the children of God, spirits or flesh. Each angel is a being with a definite form created in the image of God, existing from creation. All humans ever born were angels at one point. Angels are of the same race as God, which is human. For further clarification, I believe that you, reader, and all other human beings lived before our births to mortal parents as angels in heaven and children of God, making us brothers and sisters before the Earth was created. [I go into greater detail .]
Do you believe in the existence of Angels!
What does failure look like?
Supposition leads me to conclude that because there was a war in heaven where one-third of the hosts of heaven (angels) were lost, Brad determined that God failed to create a true Heaven, making Him, therefore, a failure. Brad did not indicate this to me at any time; however, it seems plausible that he thought of the angelic race as separate and independent from humanity. Because a society of perfection was not maintained among this race by the perfect Being, God, and countless numbers of them fell from grace, God failed.
If the purpose of God was to create a perfect society of angels, then He did fail and should, therefore, cease to be God according to my estimation. Based on that logic, how can a perfect being create imperfect things? Unless it was not His design o bring about perfection in that way. How boring existence would be if God alone in the universe could act?
According to Catholic liturgy, angels have free will to act for themselves. This means that angels act INDEPENDENT of God in thought and will based on their own judgment. Unless they choose to follow God's will, there would be no perfect society. I too believe angels have agency.
I contend that the society of angels had to do with perfection, yes, through free agency. Some, a third, did not like the plan and used their agency to rebel, hence Satan from Lucifer and demons from fallen angels. Again, no a failure, but the natural consequence of God granting people, angels, the choice to disagree with Him.
God succeeded in creating beings who could think as He does. Angels, whether you believe they are humans yet born or a completely different species have the will to follow or reject God just like mortal men and women do. If God is in the habit of giving His Creations agency, how could He fail if they use that agency no matter the choice? Next, God Failed Adam & Eve and Cain and Able shall get some attention. As with this article, the next is about how God did not fail, but a limited understanding of His plan for the salvation of the human family exists. Understanding why some of us think that God could have failed allows a dialogue to open between the believers, in-betweeners, and the nonbelievers. This is not about all beliefs being equal here, however--not with me. It's about respecting others belief but knowing God is no failure.