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Is Paranormal Mere Hocus-Pocus?

Updated on August 3, 2013

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"I don't think that science and the paranormal have to be at war; in fact, it's crucial that they work together. It seems naive to believe that the world is exactly as it seems." — Chelsie Shakespeare, The Pull

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For centuries, paranormal has been the subject of much ridicule, so much so that many people do not feel comfortable talking about it, for fear of being labeled as "crackpots", "superstitious", "gullible", or "unscientific". But is paranormal really hocus-pocus?

True, there are many charlatans out there, trying to pull a fast one in order to make a fast buck out of those who are gullible, but I am not talking about those charlatans. I am talking about common people like you and me who have had personal experiences, such as encounters with black magic and ghosts, extra-sensory perception, psychic communication, and near-death experiences.

I have had many brushes with the paranormal, and so also have some of my family members. I have had more than a fair share of the paranormal, partly because I also actively sought them at one time. In fact, at one stage, I had wanted to do empirical research on paranormal, not by reading about it, but through first-hand experience. I had wanted to be a medium because I thought that, through channeling and spiritual contact, I would be able to experience or at least understand the other world better. However, enquiries with mediums told me otherwise. I even wanted to visit hell through a seance, although I was told that I would be very unlucky after the visit. Six visits to a rural town, however, ended up in failure. Someone at the temple told me that I was very unlucky because the medium was usually very easily reachable. I was also a victim of black magic twice, and had had one out-of-body experience (OBE), two clairaudience experiences, and several other paranormal experiences.

As Malin rightly pointed out in his hub, "The Paranormal and the Need for Proof", there can be 3 basic explanations to all paranormal events:

  1. the real paranormal event;
  2. a psychological event, mistaken to be a paranormal event; or
  3. a physical event with a rational explanation, also mistaken to be a paranormal event.

What we are concerned here, however, is only with the real paranormal events.

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The Scientific Method
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Science vs Paranormal

Science has always held paranormal phenomena with great contempt because paranormal phenomena cannot be recreated in the laboratory. Science, by its very definition, is "a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe". Hence, anything that cannot be recreated in the laboratory is not science.

But is science, as it is, today, everything? To say that whatever science cannot prove is nonsensical is pure nonsense in itself! It implies that science, as it is, today, is complete and there is therefore no further room for discoveries that can explain the unexplainable. Nothing can be further than the truth. The truth is that, after so many centuries, science is still evolving.

Going back to the history of science, in the late 17th century, Sir Isaac Newton succeeded in developing a new physics, now known as Newtonian physics, in which he proclaimed his three laws of motion. In his law of universal gravitation, he also provided the first correct scientific and mathematical formulation of gravity. At that time, some scientists thought that they had pretty much figured out the basic laws of the universe. And they were not entirely wrong, either. It has been said that just with Newtonian physics, one would still be able to reach the moon today.

But then, Albert Einstein came along and in 1905, dramatically altered our views of space, time, mass, motion, and gravity with his special theory of relativity. However, he objected to the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics, and famously declared "I am convinced God does not play dice". Because of his refusal to accept the randomness of quantum physics, Einstein has been called the last great classical physicist. Thus, if even Einstein could be wrong, what more us?

Einstein died in 1955, without having found his "unified field theory", which he had begun working on in the 1920s, a theory that would have united the fields of electromagnetism and gravity into one single field. In their quest to find what Einstein had failed to uncover, theoretical physicists postulated the string theory in the 1980s, showing how all the various forms of matter and energy in the universe could be constructed by hypothetical one-dimensional "strings". This revolutionary concept replaces subatomic particles with strings of tiny vibrating strands of energy as the smallest building block of the universe.

What is a one-dimensional string? It is simply a string with one and only one dimension, i.e. length, without either height or width. How then can we visualize something like that, and how can we ever test it in a laboratory?

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For centuries, acupuncture had been maligned and ridiculed by the so-called Western "scientific community". Wikipedia says: "Recent systematic reviews found that acupuncture also seems to be a promising treatment option for anxiety, sleep disturbances, and depression, but that further research is needed in these regards... Acupuncture's use for certain conditions has been endorsed by the United States National Institutes of Health, the National Health Service of the United Kingdom, and the World Health Organization".

Thus, as we can see from the foregoing, science is still undergoing tremendous development that could lead to yet another paradigm shift. The string theory is a radically new theory that is changing everything we know about the universe. This being so, how then can anyone say with certainty that what science cannot prove today is utter nonsense... unless science can prove beyond doubt that something is definitely wrong.

Superstring theory
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Michio Kaku Explains String Theory

Michio Kaku: The Multiverse Has 11 Dimensions

Who lives in the eleventh dimension?

Now that string theory acknowledges the possibility of parallel universes and other dimensions, the fact that paranormal phenomena may actually be real, cannot be totally discounted.
Now that string theory acknowledges the possibility of parallel universes and other dimensions, the fact that paranormal phenomena may actually be real, cannot be totally discounted.

The 11th Dimension

Strings need to move in more than 3 dimensions. M-theory, an extension of string theory, suggests that the universe is made up of 11 dimensions. String theorists arrive at this figure, after they came up with 5 different 10-dimensional theories. In 1994, Edward Witten proposed that the 5 different versions of string theory were merely 5 different ways of looking at exactly the same thing, but from different perspectives. He then proposed one additional dimension in order to unite and supersede all the 5 partial string theories, calling his unified field theory, "M-theory". (The name was a compromise for the name, "Membrane theory", which Witten did not like.)

What are these 11 dimensions? Four of these dimensions are pretty familiar to all of us, i.e. the 3 dimensions of space (length, width, and height), and time. The remaining 7 dimensions cannot be detected directly, but were discovered through mathematical computations, without which, the equations don't make sense.

According to M-theory, the universe may be likened to a slice of bread in which we are all trapped in a tiny slice of a higher dimensional universe, with other slices — entire worlds (parallel universes) — right next to us, but completely invisible. We may have a lot of neighbors, some of which may resemble our universe, while others may be ruled by completely different laws of physics.

M-theory, however, fails to provide testable predictions, and in that sense, it is very much like the paranormal phenomena that is the crux of this discussion. Is M-theory then a theory of physics, or merely a philosophy? My question is: "Does it really matter?"

As we all know, the atom started as a philosophy. The concept that matter comprises discrete units that cannot be further subdivided into smaller units has been around for millennia. These ideas were founded, based on abstract, philosophical reasoning and not on empirical research. Then, what happened? Thousands of years later, scientists adopted this basic idea because it could elegantly explained why elements always react in ratios of small whole numbers and in 1805, the modern atomic theory was finally propounded by John Dalton. And for all we know, M-theory is presently going through the same stage of scientific development as the atom. (Incidentally, just like the atom in the past, the string is currently put forward as the smallest building block of the universe.)

The Elegant Universe: Welcome To The 11th Dimension

Top 10 Unexplained Phenomena: Mysteries

Conclusion

Paranormal phenomena have always talked about encounters with another dimension, other than the 3 dimensions of space that all of us are familiar with. Now that science is beginning to acknowledge that there may be more dimensions than meet the eye, and that the existence of parallel universes is a possibility, the truth that paranormal phenomena are, in fact, real, cannot be totally discounted, unlike in the past.

Now, what does this mean to you? You may say, "Ekkkkkks, no thanks. I don't want any ghostly encounters!" But who is talking about ghosts? I am talking about extra-sensory perception (ESP). In his book, "Helping yourself with ESP", A.G. Manning, DD, said:

"An old man comes slowly down the street, tapping a white cane to guide his way. Your heart must go out to him in compassion. You have a tremendous advantage over him — you can see but he can't!

Let's stop and think for a moment! A person with well-developed powers of ESP has much the same advantage over the average man that you have over the blind man."

Manning further said: "Everyone has ESP! Learn to use yours to gain wealth, success, power, health, and happiness. Helping yourself with ESP is a practical guide to developing your dormant psychic powers."

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    • WalterPoon profile image
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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      QUOTE: "What I am saying is that the scientific argument is fundamentally flawed because a) string theory isn't even a theory in the very specific scientific sense."

      You can say that again. I bet you would be behaving exactly the same way when Leucippus postulated the idea of atoms in the 5th century BC. And then what happened?

      QUOTE: "What difference does it make if I do or do not think I'm more intelligent than Einstien."

      There's a world of difference. If Einstein can be wrong, who do you think you are to think that you are infallible?

      QUOTE: "Why not write a hub about your research?"

      What is the point of writing a hub when your mind is closed. I might as well polish charcoal. By the way, I don't even have to entertain you. Just to let you know, in case your ego is damn bloody fat. In any case, I had written part of it in my various hubs. (See "How Effective is Reiki in Healing?", for example.)

      Many eminent people have written on the subject of paranormal. You better read what they say and go quarrel with them, instead of wasting my time.

      Read "Many Lives, Many Masters" by Dr. Brian Weiss, a traditional psychotherapist, graduating Phi Beta Kappa, magna cum laude, from Columbia University and Yale Medical School, as well as Chairman Emeritus of the Department of Psychiatry at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami.

      Also read "Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife" by Dr. Eben Alexander III, an American neurosurgeon .

      There are many more but I think two books is more than enough to occupy your time, that is, IF you even bother to read, instead of just trying to pick a quarrel.

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      Alistair Scott 4 years ago from India

      Thefamouscash

      I think it's a little unfair to label Walter a con artist. Con artist would mean that he doesn't believe in what he is saying yet maliciously supports it for some other gain. I don't think that's the case. At least I hope it isn't. Although... the trademark charlatan disclaimer at the beginning of the article...

      "True, there are many charlatans out there, trying to pull a fast one in order to make a fast buck out of those who are gullible, but I am not talking about those charlatans."

      Not talking about "those" charlatans - funny little choice of words there..

      Walters claim is that string theory can support his belief of black magic, ESP etc etc, that essentially boils down to a belief in dualism (a separate body from soul) which at a philosophical level I suppose it can.

      What I am saying is that the scientific argument is fundamentally flawed because a) string theory isn't even a theory in the very specific scientific sense, b) we're not even remotely close to being able to prove it, and c) even if it was proved correct, there's no reason to assume that this would validate paranormal phenomena any more than it would the existence of tooth fairies and hobgoblins.

      Arguments that revolve around the assertion "you can't prove me wrong therefore it must be at least a little bit true" should remain philosophical. Dressing it up in science does nothing but mislead people, and in the wrong hands, causes an awful lot of harm.

      I think it's important to argue these sorts of articles so that people who are otherwise reasonable, critical, thinkers, don't get seduced by fancy theories and tumble down the slippery slope to dangerous beliefs.

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      Alistair Scott 4 years ago from India

      Can we stop with the straw man arguments. What difference does it make if I do or do not think I'm more intelligent than Einstien. (He was almost certainly an atheist by the way...)

      You say you were skeptical but now believe in the paranormal because you did some empirical research. I'd be extremely interested in this research if you have a copy that you could share. But do you not see the hypocrisy in being a believer via "empirical research" - I assume this provided empirical evidence - to then use an unproven theory to support of it.

      Why not write a hub about your research?

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Scotty1985 , I'm neither atheist nor a follower of any religion. But I believe in the soul world. See my hub, "The Soul World as I Understand It", and you will understand what I mean.

      QUOTE: " Are you saying that because science may never be able to prove everything then anything is possible?"

      Not by a long shot. I believe because I have reasons to believe so. And as I mentioned, I was as skeptical as you but I did some empirical research myself and I'm convinced of its existence. I never believed in black magic before because I wonder why people need to murder another themselves when they could use black magic to kill and be safe in court. But I was twice a victim of black magic, so I know what I'm talking. In fact, I gave that guy my birthdate and time because I didn't believe black magic works.

      Einstein never believe in randomness. He said "God does not play dice", and then what happened? And you think you are more intelligent than Einstein?

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      Alistair Scott 4 years ago from India

      You supposed you didn't ask. I describe myself as an atheist but I flit between atheist and agnostic.

      "What I'm saying is that science has reached a stage where, like paranormal phenomena, it cannot verify its own hypothesis in a 4-dimensional lab. What's wrong with that?"

      Nothing. Although... The LHC may discover the graviton, or rather the absence of a graviton, which would be profound evidence for other dimensions. But remember, the whole thing may be completely wrong and string theory isn't the only theory in town. Are you saying that because science may never be able to prove everything then anything is possible?

      "I also said that scientists now believe that there is a possibility that there may be more than 4 dimensions. Anything wrong with that?"

      Not at all. I actually lean towards string theory being correct by the way.

      "So are you saying this world does not have more than 4 dimensions until scientists prove it in the lab?"

      No

      "Did gravity exist first or it existed only after Galileo discovered it?".

      Do I need to answer this one?? Gravity, as we all know, has an observable effect and came into existence shortly after the big bang (shortly being an understatement). Why we have gravity can only be explained by the scientific method.

      "Why don't you go and see a psychiatrist?"

      Why don't we both go and lets compare what they say.

      "Has anyone seen a quark? If not, why do you believe in that?"

      A very good question. Funnily enough, quarks can never be directly observed... So no, no one has "seen" a quark. I fear I'm not the best person to explain but the evidence for their existence came from the "deep inelastic scattering" experiments.

      I think to better answer this question I should define how I "believe". It's better described as a sliding scale of probability, because of the evidence I've read about quarks and the extraordinarily accurate (not perfect) predictions the standard model of particle physics makes, my "belief" in them slides closer to the more probable end. To rule anything out as impossible is wrong, but we can place things - mathematically - so close to the improbable end that in effect "impossible" is as good a word as any. Hence the flitting between atheist and agnostic.

      May I ask how you class yourself e.g. atheist, spiritualist, christian etc etc?

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Scotty1985, thank you for your very long reply. I was looking for the answer to my question, "Are you an atheist?" and you conveniently ignored that. Thank you for your intellectual honesty!

      Now, the latest development in science is the string theory, or rather the M-Theory. What I'm saying is that science has reached a stage where, like paranormal phenomena, it cannot verify its own hypothesis in a 4-dimensional lab. What's wrong with that? I also said that scientists now believe that there is a possibility that there may be more than 4 dimensions. Anything wrong with that? So are you saying this world does not have more than 4 dimensions until scientists prove it in the lab? Did gravity exist first or it existed only after Galileo discovered it? Why don't you go and see a psychiatrist?

      You mentioned: "The physicist, quite rightly, would challenge and ask why we can't see these extra dimensions and the string theorist would say that maybe these dimensions are so very very small that we can't see them. " Has anyone seen a quark? If not, why do you believe in that?

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      Alistair Scott 4 years ago from India

      Is it better to believe that the car is being propelled by a guardian spirit or unknowable force, or a real physical process...

      Do I believe that there are only 4 dimensions and nothing more? I don't know, and neither do the string theorists. Which may change of course if they devise a way to prove their theory by experiment.

      Do I believe that science has discovered all that is to be known? Of course not. That would be quite fundamentally unscientific.

      Lets just have a think about what string theory actually is. The two biggest breakthroughs in the 20th century are the theory of general relativity and quantum physics. General relativity works for the very very big, quantum mechanics the very very small. The problem is that when you put these two together the math just doesn't work. String theory is an approach that tries to resolve this problem and reduce these theories into one. String theory suggests - suggests being the operative word as it is not a proven theory - that if we were able to look deeper at the very very small (and I mean small, we're talking 10 quadrillion times smaller than quarks) we would find these very tiny "strings". It's these strings that give rise to particles i.e. they vibrate one way you get a quark, another you get a photon etc etc. Now for this mathematics to work it requires extra dimensions.

      The physicist, quite rightly, would challenge and ask why we can't see these extra dimensions and the string theorist would say that maybe these dimensions are so very very small that we can't see them. A good analogy is to imagine we're looking at a carpet from far away, it would look flat, if we were then to look closely and put our eye level with the carpet we would see lots and lots of loops and threads. They're suggesting that the same can be said for our universe.

      It's fascinating stuff and because it's mathematically viable it certainly deserves our attention and we're lucky that very clever people are.

      What you are doing is taking a gigantic leap of faith and teaching that string theory suggests that other dimensions are mathematically viable therefore the same can be said for crystal balls, seances and ghosts, or whatever it is that you believe.

      You are of course free to believe what you want, but when it strays into science you ought to back it up with the scientific process, rather than graft on your own ideologies that the string theorists themselves don't support.

      You say "know what is important and what is not". I would say what is important is not throwing your lot in with a belief before it is found in evidence. Otherwise our open minds are likely to be deluded.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      QUOTE: "To muddy the waters of reason and understanding by jumping on the back of a scientific theory that few people understand is misleading."

      Scotty1985, do you need to know how a combustion engine works before you drive a car? All you need to know about the string theory is that scientists now believe that there are more than what meets the eye (4-dimensional phenomena). You don't even need to know that there are 11 dimensions. 5 is enough to send you reeling! Is that not enough for you? Know what is important and what is not, otherwise you will spend your whole lifetime trying to learn how a car works before you even learn how to drive!

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Scotty1985, let me ask you a simple question. Do you believe that there are only 4 dimensions in this world and nothing more? And that science has discovered all that is to be known?

      Those who speak of paranormal always talk about other dimensions and not the four. The reason why I believe in paranormal is because I used to be as skeptical as you are. But not any more. And the reason? I tried to do some empirical research and my experiences with Reiki has been anything but amazing. But Reiki is not the only thing I've tried. And I supposed you're an atheist. No amount of convincing will work if a person has closed his mind to the possibility of paranormal phenomena, so to each his own.

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      Alistair Scott 4 years ago from India

      @walterpoon

      A subjective story isn't going to impress me, and it's a pretty gigantic leap don't you think, to go from a convincing seance to string theory. Yours and similar stories have been told time and time again and can be easily explained with the Barnum effect, the power of suggestion and a talented cold reader.

      Call it what it is; faith.

      To muddy the waters of reason and understanding by jumping on the back of a scientific theory that few people understand is misleading.

      @Thefamouscash

      Of course you need evidence! Your assertion that you don't need evidence is just as bad as the subject you're arguing.

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      Tamron.

      Like all paranormal things dreampt up over the years to control the feeble-minded and vulnerable masses, "black magic" is just one of the things which do not exist.

      Not much point in discussing that further.

      When "people" quote things which are supposed to have taken place and appear to show psychic power, you just have to accept they are suffering from a mental problem.

      They are ALL charlatans. Some have the need to show they are different from others.

      It really is not difficult. Lies stated with conviction are still just LIES!

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Tamron, I went to a seance with my mother, sometime in 2002, to contact my deceased grandmother. My grandmother called me by a nickname that she had coined for me, but which my father disagreed. So no one used that nickname, except her. When she died in 1974, the nickname died with her and I totally forgot about it. I was shocked, when I heard her calling me again by that nickname during our conversation. We have to differentiate between charlattans and those who are not.

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      tamron 4 years ago

      Hi Walter

      It seems you got your hands full! So I will put my 2 cents in! The magician Chris Cross I believe his name is, admits that magic is nothing but an illusion. People don't really disappear.

      Also I must agree with what TheFamouseCash says about Psychics and fortune tellers are con artist here is the proof http://www.howtotellfortunes.com/How_to_Tell_Fortu... talking to God or whatever spirit they claim to hear your future from is a lie. Being a fortune teller is learnt. There is nothing spiritual about it.

      If you watch "Brain Game" on the nature channel. You will see how easily your brain is tricked.

      I will see what I can find out about the Black Magic all I can tell you there is nothing good about it.

      It speaks about Black Magic "All" over the Bible. It even says if you harm someone by using black magic and they prematurely die. You will go to hell.

      It clearly tells you not to mess with black magic at all.

      I love your hub and your writing style

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      You do not need evidence AGAINST paranormal activity.

      You do not need evidence against something which can not exist.

      There are some who believe people can pass through solid walls. You do not need evidence AGAINST it. It just does not exist.

      Loads of mentally unstable people believe that psychics can communicate with dead people. You do not need evidence AGAINST it. It simply DOES NOT EXIST!

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      Alistair Scott 4 years ago from India

      Sorry can't help you, non believer...

      I'd like to know your reasons for why the current evidence against paranormal phenomena isn't sufficient, because for me, it is.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Scotty1985, teach me how to cite the string theory to support my argument then...

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      Alistair Scott 4 years ago from India

      I could create a similar argument for the existence of unicorns or the tooth fairy. You've provided no real or credible evidence for the paranormal yet jumped straight to plagiarizing string theory to support it.

      Articles like this only really serve the charlatans...

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      Ronald Joseph Kule 4 years ago from Florida

      Gosh, it is really simple: Look into someone's eyes when they are alive, and then when they have died... is there a difference? You bet there is, because the "ghost" -- the being, soul, etc. -- has departed.

      The rest of the phenomena is really just that: phenomena, which are manifestations of our collective agreements. What you see is what you create.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      Bye then, and have a nice day!

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      I have no interest in further discussion as you appear unable to argue logically.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      TheFamousCash, looks like you are on a crusade. Did you read my other hub, "The Soul World as I Understand It"?

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      I noticed a second post prior to mine.

      I do not earn anything from this activity.

      Simply attempting to get the laws changed to stop this LEGALISED THEFT!

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      What a strange comment! I feel you are unable to argue logically, so, in the interest of advancing the discussion.

      Of course no gods exist!

      (You obviously have not seen my posts which show 93% of subjects in my research raise the issue of religion.)

      What has that with con artists stealing money from people who believe in paranormal activities?

      You may believe in psychic abilities, horoscopes, religion, tarot card readings, rune reading, fortune telling, ghosts, spirits, angels, cherubim, seraphim, goblins, fairies, ghouls, werewolves, demons, devils, witchcraft, paranormal, poltergeists, spooks, kelpies, bogeymen, gnomes, gremlins, kobolds, leprechauns, mermaids, pixies, supernatural, succubi or zombies. Any nonsense you chose, without any comment from me!

      All I am interested in is stopping con artists who steal from such poor, deluded souls! Mentally unwell people should be protected, in my opinion.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      QUOTE: "Why do you ask my views on religion and m-theory? Would you like to know my weight, or colour of eyes or my views on the ownership of pets?"

      I asked about your views on religion and m-theory because this is the crux of the hub's discussion in defence of the paranormal. As regards your weight and color of your eyes, I don't see its relevance, unless you can show me otherwise. But I sure would like to know how much you have been earning so far from HubPages, if you care to reveal. It's more relevant than knowing your weight or the color of your eyes, right?

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      TheFamousCash, what is irrelevant to you is not irrelevant to me.

      By the way, this hub was conferred the Rising Star Award by the HubPages community last week for the "Religion and Philosophy" category, with 31% of the votes. Religion includes God, right?

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      Why do you persist in asking totally irrelevant questions?

      Are you unable to progress your argument?

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      QUOTE: "We were discussing CON ARTISTS and/or people who believe in things which do not exist."

      So you believe God exist then...

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      Response to WalterPoon.

      Why do you ask my views on religion and m-theory?

      Would you like to know my weight, or colour of eyes or my views on the ownership of pets?

      We were discussing CON ARTISTS and/or people who believe in things which do not exist.

      It may also upset you to know, I do not even defend any accusation I may be an idiot. I have a high IQ; perform suitably within society and have no problem with people holding strange views. I do not (always) accuse someone of being an idiot for believing in stupid ideals. I feel sorry for ALL people with mental disabilities. It is the people who deliberately make vehement claims about absolutely nonsensical garbage in the hope of impressing, or gaining money, from gullible people that concern me! It is my opinion that ALL thieves should be imprisoned.

      However, I do like to try to educate people as I pass through my life.

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      Response to truthnwords.

      How can anyone say it doesn't exists? Simply because it is not possible, of course! I do not need to explore the possibilities of claims that someone can walk through a wall, or fly unaided, or see or hear or communicate with ANYTHING which does not exist.

      I am not "quick to write people off". I have been researching why people claim to experience all sorts of things which do not exist for many years. It appears humans feel the need to "impress" (for want of a better word) their peers. I have been of the opinion for quite some time this has to be a form (however mild) of mental imbalance. There does not appear to be a more reasonable explanation.

      Re the UFO sightings claimants. Many of them have probably observed some sort of object. There are loads of UFO sightings. So what? Just means THEY don't know what it is. I doubt anyone has actually observed craft from other planetary systems.

      As far as ghosts, demon and angel sightings; they, obviously, are observed (or pretended to be observed) by deluded people. Since they do not exist, there is little room for any other view.

      It is interesting a number of people follow this line of poor reasoning. Simple, if something does not exist, it cannot be seen! Surely not too difficult to understand?

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      TheFamousCash, can we have your views on religion and the M-Theory? Let's not call anyone idiot yet because we still don't know who is the real idiot.

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      Devin Worlds 4 years ago from Topeka, Kansas

      How can anyone say that it doesn't exist? I mean just because you never had a paranormal experciance does not conclude that it does not exist. What I want to know is why are people so quick to write other people off as crazy? What does a person who say they have seen a ufo have to gain by lying? Or even a Ghost, Demon Or Angel?

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      What on earth are you talking about?

      Of course our minds cannot "know" everything but that has nothing to do with the issue.

      We are talking about idiots who believe in something which does not exist!

      You don't have to be very bright to know with certainty that something which does not exist cannot be contacted, seen or heard!

      One may believe in anything one wants to believe in, no matter how foolish to sane people but surely one should aim to be educated.

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      Ericajean 4 years ago

      Science can not explain everything and our minds are too finite to handle all that there is and can be. However, I truly enjoyed this hub and voted it Up/Interesting.

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      I have answered twice, stating FACTS but posts have not been shown!

      Just shows how unbaised this lot are!

      The usual CHARLATANS!

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      I already posted response but it did not appear. So.....

      You state you have had, "some amazing insights from seance", et cetera.

      What can I say?!

      Simply, I suggest you seek immediate help.

      Being an atheist has NOTHING to do with the issue!" I find it fascinating that 93% of the subjects I have spoken with in my research bring up the subject of religion!

      What has that got to do with the issue? Stick to the topic. We are talking about CON ARTISTS.

      I have always maintained, anyone should have the right to believe in anything they want. Ghosts, gods, goblins, succubi, et cetera. However, since no such things exist, these vulnerable people should be protected from the con artists who flaunt the stupid, highly ambiguous laws which permit this LEGALISED THEFT!

      Have I mentioned that before?

      I will continue to do so !

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      I regret to advise you you require help.

      Look at your comment. "some amazing insights from seance".

      Oh dear!

      I don't know what to tell you other than seek help. How silly to think there is the remotest possibility of anything sensible in ANY of that garbage!

      If you look at my many posts, you will note I comment that over 93% of people with whom I have used for my research, mention religion at some point. You will also note from above, I think everyone has a right to believe in whatever they wish. Whether ghosts, gods or goblins, they have a right. Of course, it is ALL nonsense and they should still be protected from the thieves exploiting them.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      TheFamousCash, can I take it that you are also an atheist? I do believe in religion but not everything that is said. That's why I am not a follower of any religion.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      I do agree with you that charlatans ought to be punished. But I have had some amazing insights from seance, mediums, and crystal-ball gazing. So, it's caveat emptor, i.e. "buyer beware."

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      OK.

      Theft should be illegal.

      Pretending that something which does not exist does exist in order to make profit from it is theft. (psychic con artists et cetera.)

      The UK government obviously knows of the huge sums that are stolen from feeble-minded and vulnerable people every second of every day but they actually condone it! The laws state as long as there is some little disclaimer saying "for entertainment only", they may continue to steal with impunity. As long as the con artists do not say anything "bad", it's all permitted!

      In other words. . . LEGALISED THEFT!

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      I still don't get what you mean by "this LEGALISED THEFT". Theft is not legal, and what is legal is not theft. So what are you talking about?

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      Please could you advise me what would be the point of providing"a single fact to support" my contention?

      I see little point in providing proof of the non-existance of something which does not exist.

      No sane person requires proof of such nonsense. It would be like supplying proof that the colour red is not green!

      Your rude comments have little effect. I am using whatever medium I can to highlight (sane people) to contact their M.P. (or rep) to raise the issue in parliament to change the stupid ambigous laws which condone this LEGALISED THEFT.

      I do not mind being ridiculed when I know I am in the right. I believe that people should have the right to believe in anything they want. Ghosts, fairies, ghols, psychics, gooblins, succubi et cetera, no matter how foolish. However, I also believe they should receive the opportunity to be educated. Whilst many will refuse, even when confronted with the truth, they should still be protected from the thieves stealing from them!

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      TheFamousCash, you sound like a man with a lot of anger. Are you sure you are joining the right community? I hopped over to your profile to see your activities and I see that you have written only one unfeatured hub so far in 4 weeks. On the other hand, I also joined HubPages at about the same time as you did, and I have 10 featured hubs in my pocket. I also see that you have been throwing this kind of remarks all over the place on various hubs on psychic phenomena.

      Honestly, I doubt you will last long in HubPages. Either you will be banned for trolling, or you will just give up because writing simply isn't your forte, judging by the quality of your comments in the various hubs.

      You have the right to disagree but throwing insults is just not it! You have not even given a single fact to support your contention, other than repeatedly saying "con artist" and "mentally unwell". Truth be said, I think you have a mental problem, not because you disagree with psychic phenomena, but because of your behavior.

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      Poon Poi Ming 4 years ago from Malaysia

      I don't understand what you are talking about. What "legalized theft" are you referring to?

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      TheFamousCash 4 years ago

      I DID read all your contribution.

      My goodness, what a lot of words but actually saying nothing!

      Unfortunately, it's time to talk about reality. So just to state the most obvious FACT:-

      ANYONE claiming to be psychic is in one, or both, of only two states.

      1) A CON ARTIST.

      2) MENTALLY UNWELL.

      Join the campaign to change the stupid, highly ambiguous laws which actually condone this LEGALISED THEFT.

      Request your M.P. (or government rep) to raise the issue in parliament.