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Lack of much historical record.... Should that mean something?

Updated on June 3, 2017

Historical records

It has often been referenced that there is very little historical record for Jesus and the time He lived in. On this very website several hubbers and commenters doubt in some cases even the existence of Christ. Everyone is entitled to their own belief and opinions but these people seem to treat other authors of the time, the lack of historical records and some websites of today as gospel. ( no pun intended ). They are not even credible. Is it really some kind of epiphany that man does not get things right? Is it really that surprising that God sends us a a Savior and that man both ignores Him and rejects Him? There is great evidence and historicity not to mention archaeology to prove not only the existence of Christ but also His ancestors and the very clear House of King David and the line of David.

So since they seem to be bent on presenting these items as factual and credible sources let us examine some plausible explanations. First off these so called experts and re callers of history are what ... They are indeed human. Open to any and all human error. I really could stop right here but I will not. Any human understanding the difficulties of the time as well as the political ramifications of going around saying "hey you killed the Christ" would probably avoid such potential tribulation. Early Christians were being persecuted, crucified, beheaded, stoned, ex-communicated, etc. for their beliefs. The early Paul ( Saul ) was going around feeding Christians to lions. So is it some kind of huge coincidence that most of the masses would conform to the political complications of these times. I really do not think that it is much of a stretch. The church as we know it would not start or be accepted until three hundred years later. Most would have followed suit rather than rocking the boat.

Secondly, Jesus was bad for business. He was bad for the Pharisees and He was bad for the Roman Officials. Remember Him overthrowing the tables in the temple. He was disrupting the corrupt money changing business. The Romans would have done anything to avoid a Jewish revolt. They would have put down any form of disturbance and especially one from a common villager from Nazareth. These people would have seen the execution of one man as far better than the alternative of a revolution.

Furthermore, if you consider the numerous archaeological finds and the many, many biblical prophesies including, persons, places, wars, etc. you can easily see the history unfold Itself.

Also, consider that Jesus Himself as He performs a miracle or a healing tells the person to, " Tell no one." Still, word spread about Him. Yet we must consider that mostly at this point certainly it was all by word of mouth. So wondering why some of these things were not recorded or reported on is really quite futile.

Further, consider history itself. Rome ruled the world at the time of Jesus and the Governor or Procurator of Judea was Pontius Pilate. Several texts have denoted that Pilate on the bequest of the San Hedrin and the Jewish people had a man executed who claimed to be the Christ. These texts were not written by Christian sources. These are Non Christian sources. Both Josephus and Tacitus write about this man being executed. These are historic references. Tacitus writes about it in his Annals:

Tacitus The Annals passage 15.44

Such indeed were the precautions of human wisdom. The next thing was to seek means of propitiating the gods, and recourse was had to the Sibylline books, by the direction of which prayers were offered to Vulcanus, Ceres, and Proserpina. Juno, too, was entreated by the matrons, first, in the Capitol, then on the nearest part of the coast, whence water was procured to sprinkle the fane and image of the goddess. And there were sacred banquets and nightly vigils celebrated by married women. But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed.

Once again this is from a Non Christian source.

Additionally, in several places as well as this hubpage site it is implied that the gospels are merely plagiarisms of each other and are not eyewitness accounts. I think that you are not considering some very important factors here. One very big one is technology. The gospels are written in different places at different times and by different people. They did not have the internet or e-mail or even Kinkos. Also, they did not have planes, trains or automobiles. Considering the lack of technology and the mode of transportation available ( in this case walking ) it is more than possible that there was little if any collaboration by the authors. Mostly the apostles disbanded after Jesus went to Heaven.

Finally and one could argue even most importantly and significantly not one of the eleven remaining apostles ( remember John lives a long life in order to complete the book of Revelation ) ever recants his story even when faced with death and execution. They are ALL more than willing to die after experiencing ChrIst.

So while some of their argument is thought provoking I would still maintain that it is a human argument at best. Trying to understand God Almighty from a human condition is really quite impossible. Faith itself is not necessarily supposed to be easy. We are not choosing Him but He is choosing us. Come to the understanding that everything is not always explainable. We are talking about God. He can and does do anything. He has no human limitation like we have. Ultimately, remember that while many are called few are actually chosen. I, for one, want to be in that number. As far as the atheists, doubters and agnostics go the only thing that I can do for them is pray. I find myself truly feeling very sorry for them and so many in this lost world of ours. It is actually very sad. I guess you can doubt Him as much as you want but for me He is as real as it ever gets. He has saved me and this I can never forget. Let's look at some verses on persecution and the narrow path:

2 Timothy 3:12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

Matthew 5:12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in Heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

John 15:21 But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me.

Luke 13:3 I tell you,no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

Matthew 7:14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Luke 9:62 But Jesus said to him,"No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."

Isaiah 35:8 The unclean shall not pass over it, but it shall be for others.

Luke 6:46 But why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and not do the things which I say.

God bless always.










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    • Damian10 profile imageAUTHOR

      Damian 

      3 years ago from Naples

      I had asked quite facetiously about who one would think the most famous person in history? Some very unrealistic answers like Elvis and Marilynn Monroe. Not to burst anyone's bubble but in 2000 years no one will know who they are. You can bet tough they will know about that poor, Jewish carpenter. My words will never pass away.... indeed.

    • Oztinato profile image

      Oztinato 

      3 years ago from Australia

      You will find a common thread of "conspiracy theories" in all atheist attempts to change history. These cafe style theories are fads solely made to sell books. They are unethically and parasitically feeding off religion.

    • Damian10 profile imageAUTHOR

      Damian 

      3 years ago from Naples

      Also, how is it that anyone can minimize the prophesy? Events such as Israel being restored as a nation, the destruction of the Great Temple, etc are merely some kind of coincidence. They are the ones being selective. God provides; whether we are able to process it or not is up to us.

    • Oztinato profile image

      Oztinato 

      3 years ago from Australia

      Damian

      the Bible has been and still is a legal document used in every western court in the world. It is without doubt the earliest ancient primary source document still in use today.

    • Damian10 profile imageAUTHOR

      Damian 

      3 years ago from Naples

      That is it exactly. I find myself actually feeling sorry for them. One of their mantras is you cannot use the

      Bible as a source. I would actually think it is THE source. If you even were only to consider the apostle Paul and his previous state and then compare it to where he finds himself. It as if something supernatural had to occur to make such an impactful change.

      Good stuff for sure.

    • Oztinato profile image

      Oztinato 

      3 years ago from Australia

      Damian

      it is quite true that faith without seeing is superior to faith accrued via study. I had to get there by study but it has left me in the position of being able to tackle those whose intellects are a stumbling block to them.

      There are basic levels of proof to historical truths; JC and Christianity have a far higher level of historical proof than many other truths we take for granted as "real history".

    • Damian10 profile imageAUTHOR

      Damian 

      3 years ago from Naples

      Oz ... Your knowledge level always impresses me. I am of the belief that it is not necessarily even supposed to be easy. You know the whole mustard seed thing. People go around believing that faith is not supposed to be somewhat challenging. I cannot speak for any other but to me ... He is as real as it ever gets. At risk of sounding like someone with a childlike faith I can only tell you that I have experienced some things directly that illustrated His presence. Some things that have given me goosebumps!

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      Oztinato 

      3 years ago from Australia

      Damian

      I have a degree in archaeology. There is an enormous amount of archaeological evidence re the existence of JC, the apostles and of course the earliest christians and the primary source letters in the new testament.. The catacombs alone provide a wealth of information. The Jewish Talmud mentions Jesus. The Koran mentions Jesus. There are verifiable tombs such as St Peters. Events themselves that rapidly unfolded left a huge impression on the historical record.

      If you analyse the doubters motives there is a tendency to try to undermine basic historical truths with conspiracy theories. For example that the symbols in the catacombs were staged by fraudsters.

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      Dana 

      3 years ago

      I am a believer. Continue to believe and trust in Our Lord and Savior. I have heard it said If there is no God,why are there atheist.

    • Damian10 profile imageAUTHOR

      Damian 

      3 years ago from Naples

      Really? I can hardly watch the news. I use to be kind of a newshound. Not so much anymore.

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      Catherine Giordano 

      3 years ago from Orlando Florida

      I don't believe in sin.

    • Damian10 profile imageAUTHOR

      Damian 

      3 years ago from Naples

      Was just wondering out loud what are your thoughts of the Old Testament and moreover the recurring theme of sacrifice for sin. Is it still just more myth? From your sources can the Old Testament be regarded as credible?

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      Catherine Giordano 

      3 years ago from Orlando Florida

      You are correct that the lack of a historical record does not prove anything, but It does give one pause to doubt. The early Christian Church and many present day Christians seem to think this lack is damaging to their beliefs hence the forgeries by the former and the defense of them by the latter.

      P.S.: Quoting the Bible is not proof. If Jesus did not exist, them he never said those things. If he did exist, there is no proof that the Bible stories are not just fiction and myth and thus he never said those things.

      We need an independent source to verify the existence and sayings of Jesus.

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