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Let Me Tell You WHO GOD IS!

Updated on July 3, 2012

WHO is GOD?

Who is GOD? WOW. What a concept to try to wrap our human brains around! I’ve read all kinds of interpretations of the trinity and some of the scriptures cause confusion as to exactly how we are to interpret the entity of God Himself. People tend to humanize Him and have gone so far as to believe He is three separate persons. We imagine God the Father on the throne; His Son, Jesus Christ sitting at His right hand, and who knows where the Spirit of God sits? On His left? One doctrine actually believes all three have flesh and bone.

I'm sure you can perceive my frustration (the Spirit in me is frustrated), and thus the title of this hub, "Let me tell you WHO GOD IS". Let’s clear up the confusion. Before we proceed, I'd like to share that I am a saved "Gentile" and wrote this hub in January 2010. Recently, I came upon a Messianic Jewish website, AhavatYeshua and read their "statement of faith", confirming this teaching. I emailed them to ask if they would read this teaching and let me know if they felt I was off base in any way. They not only read it, but posted a link to this hub on their website! Praise God! I pray you will be enlightened and blessed beyond measure!!

GOD IS THE HOLY SPIRIT

First of all, the Bible tells us that God is [a] spirit:

John 4:24 (KJV) “God is a spirit [pneuma]: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

Now, beginning at creation, we read in Gen 1:2 “And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” Job 33:4 states, "The Spirit of God [El] has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life."

Throughout the Old Testament, God manifested His Spirit in the form of clouds by day and fire by night.

Ex 13:21-22 “And the LORD [Yehovah] went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.”

Is 43:3 tells us that God is holy and is our Savior: "For I am the LORD your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior."

When the angel visited the Virgin Mary, she was told the Holy Spirit would overshadow her and she would be found with child of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:35 “And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost [pneuma: Spirit] shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” Now, how can the Holy Spirit father the Son of God, if He is not God Himself? He is the power of God and is God, amen!

Mat 1:18 “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as His mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost [pneuma: Spirit].”

GOD is Omnipresent

God is omnipresent. He is not limited to one place. He was both the Father and the Son (God coming to us in the flesh) and yet remained Spirit outside of the person of Jesus Christ. This is why Jesus was both Son of Man and Son of God, and as a Man prayed to the Spirit, the Father.

What scripture proves to us He is both the Father and the Son? Is 9:6 "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."

God's Spirit is omnipresent: Ps 139:7 “Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?”

God as the Son: Phil 2:6-7 “Who, although He existed in the form [morphe] of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form [morphe] of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.”

GOD Speaks His WORD

Some assume Jesus received the Holy Spirit upon water baptism. Being born of the Spirit, He did not receive the Holy Spirit, for in Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead [theotés: Deity] bodily (Col 2:9). God, Who is the Holy Spirit, manifested Himself in a bright cloud and spoke, “This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well-pleased.” Jesus didn’t speak here; a voice from the heavens spoke.

Mat 17:5 “While he [John the Baptist] was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said [and as recorded in Mat 3:17 “a voice out of the heavens said”], ‘This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased!’"

So, we also know Jesus is called the Word of God, Who was in the beginning with (actually 'pros' meaning to) God (elohim) and was God (John 1:1). Obviously, God spoke on His own and not through the Son when Jesus was baptized; so understand that Jesus was not God’s Son in the beginning, but His very Word.

Consider that when you plan to speak, you breathe. With that breath (pneuma) you speak. Likewise, the breath of God spoke His Word and created all things. 1 Cor 2:11 confirms "For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God." The spirit of man is in him, as the Spirit of God is in Him (not next to 'par' Him)!!

John 1:3 “All things came into being through Him [His Word], and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.”

John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.”

The IMAGE of GOD in the SON

"Only begotten" means God did not physically birth any other offspring prior to or after His incarnation through the Virgin Mary. The first man was created from the earth; his wife was fashioned from his rib and his offspring came into being by the sexual union of man and wife from then on.

Now, we’ve identified that the Holy Spirit is God. We now have the Son of God (God with us), Who is actually the only human image of the invisible God.

Col 1:15 “Who [Christ Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.”

John 14:6-10 “Jesus said to him, 'I AM the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.' Philip said to Him, ‘Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father '? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.”

FIRSTBORN of The SPIRIT

How can it be that Jesus is the "firstborn of every creature"? Jesus Christ was born of the Holy Spirit and the water of Mary's womb and is called the "last Adam" in that He is the firstborn of the NEW creation. 1 Cor 15:45 states, "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." Look at John 3:5: “Jesus answered, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.’” Well, all men since Adam and Eve’s first son have been born of water (mother's womb). Mankind could not be born of the Spirit until he was made holy. The Holy Spirit of God cannot dwell in a "temple" (body) of sin. The Law of God is that sin leads to death. Jesus said in John 3 that in order to be saved, we must be "born again" = "born of the Spirit".

All mankind dies because of Adam and Eve’s sin. Our own death does not propitiate for our sin. We are unclean.

Is 64:6 “For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.”

God alone is holy. God came to us by His Holy Spirit through the Virgin Mary to DIE FOR US. He shed His holy blood on the cross at Calvary to take away our sin! Acts 20:28 "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood."

Likewise, Jesus Christ was the firstborn from the dead (as in bodily resurrection).

Col 1:18 “He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.”

Rev 1:5 “Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—“

Who raised Jesus from the dead? Three persons did not accomplish this, but ONE. Now that you understand that Jesus is God in the flesh, Who is the Holy Spirit, the Bible does not contradict:

John 2:19-21 “Jesus answered them, ‘Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.’…"He was speaking of the temple of His body.”

John 10:17 "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it up again."

Acts 10:40 “God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible.”

Rom 8:11 “But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.”

BORN OF and ADOPTED by GOD

Based on Rom 8:11, how can the Spirit of God dwell in us? We know that Jesus was the firstborn of God and told us we must be born of the Spirit, too. Surely, Nicodemus did not understand this concept and asked if we must go back into our mother’s womb to be born again.

Why do we have to be born again? Aren’t we all God’s children because we are His creation? Yes and no. God predestined His sacrifice for our sin from the foundation of the world, in that anyone who believes in Him will be saved (Old and New Covenants). His salvation does not discriminate between persons. While we are His creation, the sin of Adam and Eve resulted in mankind's enslavement to the evil one, the devil. The devil thought he’d won and certainly didn’t know God's plan to make the WAY to adopt His creation back into His family (elohim).

1 Cor 2:8 “…none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”

Those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ (Yeshua - YHVH Saves) are the children of the devil:

John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father.”

Mat 13:38 “The field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one.”

So, how do we know we are "sons of the kingdom"? We must acknowledge we are sinners in need of a Savior. We must believe God came in the flesh in His Son (God's image), Jesus Christ, Who gave His life to shed His holy blood for us. We must believe that He was raised from the dead and will likewise raise us. We are saved through faith in Him!

Rom 10:9 “If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord [Kurios - Greek for Yehovah], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”

1 Cor 12:3 "...no one can say, 'Jesus is Lord [Kurios - Yehovah],' except by the Holy Spirit."

Eph 2:8 “For by grace are you saved through faith”

Acts 2:38 “Peter said to them, ‘Repent [change your mind about the devil’s lies and believe in the salvation that only comes through Jesus Christ], and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Rom 8:15 “For you have not received a spirit of slavery that leads you into fear again. Instead, you have received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, ‘Abba! Father!’"

Praise God! John 1:12 “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”

GOD's Powerful RIGHT HAND

Understand that God came to us in the image of Jesus Christ, His Son. Earlier we read that the Spirit of God is also the POWER of God. The Bible tells us that Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father, indicating there are two persons; however, there is only one God.

What does “right hand” mean? Because God is Spirit, He does not have a visible body. In fact, the Bible tells us He is invisible. So, how can God have a literal “right hand”? This is representative of His power!

Let’s look at Ex 15:6 “Your right hand, O LORD [Yehovah], is majestic in power, Your right hand, O LORD, shatters the enemy.”

Ps 89:13 “You have a strong arm; Your hand is mighty, Your right hand is exalted.”

Heb 1:3 “And He [Jesus Christ] is the radiance of His [God’s] glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.”

Heb 1:8 “But of the Son He [God] says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.'”

Look at the alignment, the mocking of Jesus in Mat 27:29: “They wove thorn branches into a crown and put it on his head, and they placed a reed stick in his right hand as a scepter. Then they knelt before Him in mockery and taunted, ‘Hail! King of the Jews!’”

"I WILL Come To YOU"

Thus far, we know that God always was; He is “I AM”. He came for a season, for a REASON. As the Son, once He fulfilled His purpose, He returned to His Spiritual state ~ except that now, He can indwell each of us who believe!

Remember Is 9:6? The Son is called "Wonderful Counselor"! Who is the Counselor, but the Spirit of God?

Jesus stated in John 15:26 “…that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds [comes forth] from the Father,” and yet in John 16:28 Jesus stated, “I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to [pros] the Father." Then again in John 14:18 Jesus said, “I will not leave you as orphans [Fatherless]; I will come to you.”

Did you know that the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are one in the same? What is the Greek word for 'more of the same'? It is 'allos'. This word is used when Jesus said, "I will send you another [allos] Comforter" (John 14:16). The Greek word for 'another' as in 'different' is 'eteron'. As with the Son of Man, God is now both with us and in us, when we are born again. Likewise, we pray to Him as Jesus did.

In John 14:17 Jesus said, “…that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with [par] you and will be in you."

Acts 1:8 “You will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”

Truly, those who do not understand that the Holy Spirit is God and is Christ in us, they have the “form of godliness, but deny the power thereof.”

Likewise, those who only acknowledge the Father without the Son do not have the Father!

1 John 2:23 “Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.”

John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.’”

John 4:14b "...the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."
John 4:14b "...the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

Our INTERCESSOR

Did you know that the Spirit of God, which is also the Spirit of Christ makes intercession for us? Are they separate? No.

Rom 8:9 “However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.”

Rom 8:26-27 “In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.”

Rom 8:34 “Who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the ‘right hand’ of God, who also intercedes for us.”

Heb 7:25 “Therefore He [Jesus Christ] is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He [Jesus Christ] always lives to make intercession for them.”

Enlightenment comes when we understand Jesus told His disciples in John 16:26 (pre-crucifixion), "In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father."

Let's go one step further by observing the passage found in 1 Cor 15:24 "then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet." See, as long as man is flesh (sinful) he needs a Mediator, an intercessor. When all sin is abolished and the Enemy cast into the fire, the resurrected saints will no longer have need of a Mediator. God (elohim/theos) will be "all in all" (1 Cor 15:28), just as it was in the beginning before the fall. In the meantime, look at Col 3:10-11 "[you] have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him--a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is "all, and in all".

WHO GOD IS.

God is Spirit, Who came to us through the Virgin Mary as the only begotten Son of Man/Son (image) of God for the purpose of shedding His holy blood on the cross for our sin. While His flesh died, His Spirit never ceased to exist; and by His Spirit, His physical body was raised from the dead on the third day, the firstborn of the new creation.

Is 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me."

Is 45:21 "And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me."

When we believe this and allow His Spirit to save us, come into us and dwell in us and use us to spread the gospel for His glory, we KNOW we have eternal life. We are a new creation! The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are NOT three SEPARATE entities or persons, especially not of flesh and bone. He is ONE GOD. Isn’t this incredible?

While God is now in us by His Spirit, just as He indwelt Jesus Christ, we are not little 'gods' (divine by our OWN nature), but we are now in God (elohim) and He in us. We are still sinful flesh, saved by the holy blood of the Passover Lamb (Jesus Christ). One day the corruptible flesh will be separated from our saved soul/spirit. We will be resurrected with new, incorruptible bodies and live forever with and in our LORD God. Because of our faith in Him, we are adopted into His family now; Jesus Christ being the firstborn.  And when we see our glorified Jesus, we will see the face of God! AMEN.

For more on the Identity of Christ, I invite you to read my hub Who Do You Say That I AM?

For more on the image of God, I invite you to read my hub God: Let Us Make Man In Our Image?

For a wonderful, Spirit-inspired parable to better explain God and His gospel, I invite you to read my hub The GOSPEL In A GLASS. Be blessed!

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      Norine Williams 22 months ago

      I "literally" cried when I read your response Praising God that He has found me worthy to reveal "TRUTH" in His Word! THANK YOU JESUS!

      May GOD continue to Bless!

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      Judah's Daughter 22 months ago from Roseville, CA

      Praising God together with you, sister Norine! It's awesome when God, by His Spirit, finds us worthy to receive! May we continue to be witnesses of the Truth! HalleluYah!

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      Norine Williams 22 months ago

      You are a PRIME EXAMPLE of how The Holy Spirit "reveals" to the "learned" (Hebrew & Greek=you) as well as the "unlearned" (No Hebrew & Greek=me) yet the SAME revelation of TRUTH in His Word has been revealed!

      You and I are blessed in that "no man has revealed this unto us, "but by the revelation of Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:12)! It matters not one's education, for I BELIEVE John 14:26 and 16:13 {paraphrasing} the "Holy Spirit will reveal "ALL TRUTH!"

      God Bless!

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      Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi there OneGod! Yes, this hub was my first after being given the revelation of who God is! I thought I was 'aslone' out here in the Trinitarian world. I found David K Bernard and realize there are millions who have been shown the Oneness of God, praise Him! The distinction is 1) invisible, omnipresent and 2) visible, present = Spirit and flesh during the years of the Son. I have grapsed it and am blessed as Jacob! Thank you so much, and God bless you!

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      OneGod 4 years ago

      JD, I believe you would find much confirmation of what you have discovered regarding the Godhead in a book by David K. Bernard entitled, The Oneness of God. It is available at Amazon.com. Additionally, I think you would appreciate the work of Jason Dulle in matters regarding the Godhead and Christology. He has a blog, http://theosophical.wordpress.com, where much of his writing on the subject is available. Additionally, his article, Avoiding the Achilles Heels of Trinitarianism, Modalistic Monarchianism, and Nestorianism: The Acknowledgement and Proper Placement of the Distinction Between Father and Son, found at http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/ugstsymposium.ht...

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT, Why are we the Light of the world in Mat 5:14, "a city set on a hill?" Because we are BORN AGAIN and the Light is IN us. It is not our own Light, but the Light of Christ IN us! (John 1:8)

      Acts 2:22 can be cross-referenced with Col 2:9, for "In HIM [Yahushua] DWELLS (present tense) the fullness of THE Deity bodily". Read John 14:5-14. Vs. 7-8 "If you really knew Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have SEEN Him.” Vs. 10 "it is the Father, living IN Me, who is doing His work."

      What does John 9:22 have to do with anything? That the Jews would put anyone out of the synagogue for believing Yahushua was the Messiah? They weren's executed, were they?

      We've specifically covered John 8:56 and 58, but NOW we shall look at vs. 57: "Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou SEEN Abraham?" Even THEY knew Yahushua was NOT talking about Abraham prophetically seeing His day...

      Your arguments (as in legal presenation) are straw, hay and stubble. Faith is gold, of which there is no fire that will destroy it.

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      DT 5 years ago

      Matthew 5:14

      Acts 2:22

      John 9:22

      Abraham prophetically saw the Messiah's day.

      Please forgive me if I have been rude. Grace and peace to you.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      So Jesus was claiming pre-existence in John 8:58. Did ANYONE else have pre-existence in all of humanity? You’re not of Mormon doctrine also, are you? Now, some of the Jews appear to believe in a type of reincarnation, when you consider Mat 16:13-14 “Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets." So you think they would crucify anyone who claimed pre-existence as any of these men, including Abraham? What other men who claimed to be the Jewish Messiah are recorded in the Bible as having been executed for such?

      Speaking of John 8:58, let’s read just two verses before to put it in context: (56) “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." What do you think this is talking about? How about reading Genesis 18:22 “The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD (YHWH).”

      You wish to compare or make equal the blind man’s statement in John 9:9? In this case, he was adamantly trying to convince those who were doubting he was the same man that was blind that was standing before them with sight ~ in other words, “I am the SAME man that was blind, but now I see.”

      So Peter walked on water, too – Who walked on the water first? Did Peter do this of his own power? Did he do so without sinking? You will take words such as “ALONE” in Job 9:8 and pull the sneaky lawyer tactic? Who is the biblical “prosecuting attorney” in the Bible again?

      Speaking of the Light, let’s look at the Psalms and Prophets:

      Ps 27:1 “A Psalm of David. The LORD (YHWH) is my LIGHT and my salvation”

      Ps 118:27 “The LORD (YHWH) is God, and He has made His Light shine upon us.”

      Is 60:20 ” the LORD (YHWH) will be your everlasting light,”

      Micah 7:8 “Though I sit in darkness, the LORD (YHWH) will be my light”

      The pre-existing, eternal LIGHT is YHWH Owri in the flesh of Yahushua! So, I quote YOU: “if you do not believe that I am [the Light of the World], you will die in your sins". Take it either way. This passage and many other witnesses of scripture show you clearly who He IS: The Great I AM.

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      DT 5 years ago

      Hello Judah's Daughter,

      In John 8:58, Jesus is claiming pre-existence over Abraham. Jason BeDuhn, in his book Truth In Translation concluded that the Living Bible has the best translation. The blasphemy that Jesus committed was that in Jewish culture Abraham has a huge status. Jesus, by claiming pre-existence, demonstrated that he had a far higher status than Abraham (John 1:30). In fact, a claim to be the Messiah in Jesus's days was exactly that - blasphemy.

      Ego eimi, in the Greek text is a self-identification. For instance, the blind man also says ego eimi in John 9:9. As for Job 9:8, we must remember that Peter also walked on water.

      Going back to ego eimi, there is also an implied predicate often. Jesus has just stated that he is from above and the Pharisees are from below so it is possible that he is saying if you do not believe that "I am [from above], you will die in your sins" but then he also says in verse 26 that he is the one he has been saying he was from the beginning which is referencing the beginning of the dialoge he is having with the Pharisees which starts in John 8:12. Thus, he could also be saying "if you do not believe that I am [the Light of the World], you will die in your sins".

      I really don't want to debate you. I'm just trying to show you my side. God bless you and have a wonderful day! :)

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      And Who IS this Jesus (Yahushua) of Nazareth? What IS His Name?

      Ex 3:14 “God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

      John 8:58 “Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM."

      John 6:19-20 “Then, when they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and drawing near to the boat; and they were frightened. But He said to them, "I AM; do not be afraid."

      JOB 9:8 “Which ALONE spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.” (speaking of God in vs. 2)

      John 8:24 “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins."

      For this reason, this Jesus of Nazareth was crucified (blasphemy). There is no other Jesus that is the Almighty God, the Savior of all who will believe.

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      DT 5 years ago

      Judah's Daughter,

      Jesus's in the Bible include:

      Jesus Barabbas, the one who stood on trial before Jesus Messiah.

      There is a son of Jesus in Acts 13:6.

      There is a Jesus, son of Eleazar, son of Sirach in Ben Sira 50:27.

      There is a Jesus Justus in Colossians 4:11.

      And of course there is Joshua.

      I hope this list at least helps you see my side.

      God bless.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Is Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother our Savior that saves our SOULs? No. As I said, there is only ONE Savior that saves our souls. Yahushua is the Name, the only Name whereby we must be saved and since YHWH is the Only Savior, Yahushua IS YHWH Himself (the Holy Spirit) IN the flesh. YHWH has many names all throughout the Bible, all beginning with YHWH - YHWH Nissi, YHWH Yireh, etc. etc. etc. He IS El Shadday (The Almighty God); His Name as Savior is Yahushua! YHWH Saves! This is about your SOUL, not life or death of the flesh.

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      DT 5 years ago

      JD, I'm not saying what I am toting around is truth.

      As for the "savior" issue, I will let you take this one up with God.

      Judges 3:9 - But when the Israelites cried out to the Lord, the Lord raised up a deliverer for the Israelites, who delivered them, Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother.

      The word for deliverer used here is the same exact one in Isaiah 43:11.

      http://biblos.com/isaiah/43-11.htm

      http://biblos.com/judges/3-9.htm

      As for Acts 4:12, I must ask who gave Yahushua the name that which we must be saved? Thus, I think the message is that there is no savior acknowledged by God unless he delegates the savior. Otherwise, the Bible is contradictory.

      God bless.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      First of all, DT, I don't feel the least bit 'threatened' by you, rather I feel annoyed. You consider what you believe to be truth and if I accept your truth then peace to me? Sorry, but the Bible tells me I will be hated on account of His name, not loved by those who oppose the truth. You keep coming back here, so I can only think it has something to do with conviction.

      I printed the Hebrew out for you in Dan 8:13. You even refute a pastor who told you Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:23-38 show both genialogies of Mary and Joseph? I see you picking out teachers (men) that support what you believe (for you continually quote and give links to commentary after commentary) and NOT relying on the Bible and the Holy Spirit. I believe what the Bible says in Acts 20:28, not Ezra Abbot or anyone else.

      You just called God a liar when He declared there is no Savior besides Him. It is written by two prophets and thus it is Truth (two witnesses). You think any man called 'a savior' can save your soul? NO MAN can save your soul, including Westcott and Hort and Ezra Abbot. Trust them for your salvation. I'm trusting God IN Yahushua (YHWH Saves) for mine. Acts 4:12 clearly states, "And there is salvation in NO ONE ELSE; for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven that has been given among MEN by which we must be saved."

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      DT 5 years ago

      Judah's Daughter,

      I really don't want to debate you on this subject either, but everything you said here is based on pseudoapologetics. You actually need to read the Hebrew and you will see that there are two holy ones in Daniel 8:13.

      Likewise, you need to re-read Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:23-38 which actually contain the genealogies. My New Testament professor was saying how he was told how one genealogy was for Mary and the other was for Joseph but this is not so. Both the genealogies are for Joseph.

      Again, regarding Acts 20:28, I am not referring to Westcott and Hort on this one. I am referring to Ezra Abbot.

      Actually, God is a liar if this is meant to be taken literally for he did delegate other saviors (Judges 3:9). Please don't accuse me or treat me like crap. We are both in search of truth. And I am not debating you. You are presenting what you see, I am presenting what I see. If you carry truth, then you should not feel threatened. If you tote around a lie, then you will feel threatened.

      God bless you and have a great prayer day! :)

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT, Check out the Hebrew in Dan 8:13, ‘a holy one’ is not used twice, as you claim: http://biblos.com/daniel/8-13.htm “heard and another A holy speaking said and another one certain was speaking against how will the vision the regular the transgression causing the holy and the host treading” – therefore, this passage does not contradiction the Holy ONE.

      Acts 2:27 does not read ‘the Holy One of The God’. It literally reads “The Holy One, the God”.

      Regarding the genealogy of Mary:

      http://home.inreach.com/bstanley/geneal.htm

      Westcott and Hort claim they found an older Greek transcript in the trash can at the Vatican Library in the 19th Century, which were utilized in translating the New Testament of the New World Translation for the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Don’t ask me to respect any of their commentaries!

      http://www.graceway.com/articles/article_025.html

      Believe what you want about what Acts 20:28, the Church of God is what is in the original Greek text and the ‘He’ it speaks of is THE GOD (tou theou), who purchased THE CHURCH with HIS OWN BLOOD (haimatos tou idiou). There is NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME, said YHWH in the Old Testament (Isa 43:11/Hos 13:4) and He is NOT a liar. This Savior is the One who will save us from our SIN, save our SOULS, which NO other (human) savior can do.

      It is very difficult for me to tolerate your blasphemies, so if you want to accuse me of being disrespectful, do so. I simply will not continue a debate on the deity of Christ. You know better and have chosen, as Adam did, to go your own way.

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      DT 5 years ago

      Judah's Daughter,

      You and I both know that it is foolish banter to debate about these issues.

      1. Establish Who The Holy One Is, not Holy Two or Three.

      JD, there are many holy ones in the Bible.

      Daniel 8:13 - Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled under foot?"

      There are then at least two holy ones. The Greek has a genitive which is why we see the word "of" in our English Bibles. We know that "Holy One of the God" is an appropriate translation based on Acts 2:27.

      2. Yahushua did not have a human father.

      JD, he is the Son of David. Mary is not a descendant of David. Joseph is. Jesus would have to have a human father. We do not have the original manuscripts so it is very likely that early church fathers in their biases added this story to the Bible. Or perhaps it is a display of historical discrepancies within the Bible. It is not infallible and it is foolish to believe that one book has all the answers.

      3. If Yahushua IS the Father, did He ever say He was both on earth and in heaven at the same time?

      JD, I have seen that link on biblos for John 3:13. I have also read commentary on that verse. Westcott and Hort do not have it in their manuscripts.

      4. How are we made perfect as He (the Father) is perfect? Is it by the Law as you state?

      Forgive me JD but there has been some misunderstanding. I never said that salvation came through the law. In fact, I would actually contend that salvation never came through the law even in the Hebrew Bible.

      I believe we have discussed Acts 20:28 before. I believe the more appropriate translation would be "church of the Lord". Can we just see where we are coming from and say "fair enough"? I do not want to be attacked.

      God bless.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT, I’ve looked at your blog in the past and it’s way off base. Yahushua IS The Holy One of Israel that became the second Adam and could not sin because He IS The Holy One of Israel. For this reason, He was not born of the first Adam, in that He was not conceived of a human father. For this reason, He was perfect and yes, we are to be perfect as His Father in heaven is perfect. So, we'll look at the four points I've just stated and back them up with scripture:

      1. Establish Who The Holy One Is, not Holy Two or Three.

      2. Yahushua did not have a human father.

      3. If Yahushua IS the Father, did He ever say He was both on earth and in heaven at the same time?

      4. How are we made perfect as He (the Father) is perfect? Is it by the Law as you state?

      1. The HOLY ONE

      Isa 43:3“For I am the LORD your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I have given Egypt as your ransom, Cush and Seba in your place.” This is speaking of the LORD GOD, not Michael their Prince (Dan 10:21). Michael is never called “The HOLY One of Israel”. Michael was created and could choose not to follow YHWH His God. Look at what Yahushua said to Satan in the desert (Mat 4:7) “Jesus said to him, "On the other hand, it is written, 'YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST.'" Who is THE LORD YOUR GOD? Yahushua!!

      John 6:69 “We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One [the] God." The Greek actually uses the article tou [the] where the English uses ‘of’. A Greek lesson ‘tou’ – does it mean ‘the’ or ‘of’? tou is used as the following...tou exi dexi pou enai to autokinito.....he has shown him where the car is.... (tou) refers to the subject talked about in this case the man who has been shown the car.... tou is also masculine. It is the Greek definition 3588 THE: http://concordances.org/greek/3588.htm

      2. Jesus did not have a human father:

      Mat 1:18 “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER she was found to be with child of [1537] the Holy Spirit.” Greek 1537 is ek or ex - from the interior outwards.

      3. Jesus both in Heaven and on Earth

      John 3:13 “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down [ek – from the interior outwards] heaven, [inserted - even] the Son of man WHICH IS IN heaven.” Here is the Greek: http://biblos.com/john/3-13.htm Now, we can look at how Yahushua taught us to pray in Mat 6:9, "Our Father which art in heaven..."

      4. How are we made perfect as He is perfect?

      Mat 5:20 “"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

      Gal 2:21 “I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

      2 Cor 5:21 “He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” The tabernacle of YHWH’s flesh was made to be sin for us, as the Holy One IN Him, the Spirit, could not be defiled. For this reason, His flesh could be blasphemed, but not His Spirit (Luke 12:10), for they were saying He had an unclean Sprit (Mark 3:30). Likewise, when we are born again, we receive the Holy Spirit and thus are made the righteousness of God in Christ (the Lamb). There is NO other Way to be made righteous, based on the New Covenant in His own blood (Acts 20:28).

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT - God gives us a choice and the freedom to choose what we choose to believe. I don't disrespect you, though I do not agree with or support your beliefs. I hope you also can respect that.

      Only God can deal with each one of us individually, to reveal what He wishes to reveal and with that, we are to respond ~ either to accept what He reveals or to reject it. What He's revealed to me is what you once believed, too, yet neither of us influenced each other, as we didn't know each other. No person taught me what I believe and no person can change what I believe. I don't know if you were taught 'Oneness' doctrine by a person/group or if it was revealed to you. There is a difference when it comes to unwavering faith.

      Since His revelation to me, I abandonded the teachings of men in this regard. I worship Jesus (Yahshua) as God and I do not worship angels, no matter what. I do pray God blesses you also and I appreciate peace. Respect is necessary to go forward and grow.

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      DT 5 years ago

      JD, I have covered and responded already to your proof texts of Christ's deity so I will not do this again because this just turns into endless banter and gets us absolutely no where. I would invite you to visit my blog if you want to see these things answered. I hope to cover the Yahweh as husband and Christ as husband texts soon. As for what I inherited from Adam, I did not inherit a "propensity to sin" I inherited a free will. And I abused this free will. So likewise, Yahushua also has free will. Yahushua was born with free will. He could have sinned if he wanted to but he chose not to. If you believe that Yahushua is not a puppet, then you also believe he could have sinned if he wanted to. Yahushua commanded us to be perfect as his Father in heaven is perfect. Thus, if we could just follow his commands, things would be better. The inherited sin doctrine runs contrary to the message of hope in the true gospel of Christ.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      robert, you'll either speak Truth or blasphemies. You've just stated that the king of Babylon was the first-born of YHWH. I thought you also stated Michael the Archangel was the first-born of YHWH? YOU are CONFUSED and YHWH is NOT the author of confusion! (1 Cor 14:33)

      Satan deceives the whole world ("world" being those whose names are no longer written in the Lamb's Book of Life - Rev 13:8). Satan is not Lucifer, and if you believe this is not so, based on YOUR interpretation of Rev 12:7-9, then you have just declared that Satan is the first-born of YHWH. SHAME!!!!

      For a CLEAR study on this subject, I have written about it here: https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Is-Lucife...

      We're done here, child of the devil (John 8:44).

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      robert 5 years ago

      its sad that you allow lucifer to decieve you in believing a lie, to cover this you deny the existance of yours and adam's havah deceiver.

      actually what has been translated lucifer is heylel which is the name of the pre fallen first born of the Elohim who out of self pride sought o set upon the Elohim throne forever after he was seated to rule while the Elohim rested their Sabbath. Yahshua as the firstborn of the dead is to do what THE ADAM was created to do when the Elohim rested again.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      In John 3:5 Yahshua said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water [the womb] and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” Therefore, it is a BLESSING to be BORN. SIN has already been atoned for, and we have been given salvation BY FAITH in following our Shepherd, who is the LORD (YHWH) Ps. 23:1; John 10:11, 14.

      Yes, GOD created you in your mother’s womb (Is 44:24; Ps 139:13-16). Your name was written in the Book of Life, for otherwise, you would not have been born. Can your name be blotted out? Absolutely (see scriptures in above comments to robert).

      YHWH abhors child sacrifice, as is shown in my hub “With His OWN Blood” https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/With-His-... . Acts 20:28 states that God (He) PURCHASED the Church with HIS OWN BLOOD. YHWH is the Husband to Israel (Jer 31:32), the ‘Bridegroom’ to the CHURCH (Mat 25; Rev 21:2). In Jewish culture, betrothed is the same as married. There is only ONE Husband. The Church (True Israel) is the Wife of YHWH. We look forward to the Wedding Feast, amen!

      You may believe you were not ‘born into sin’ or ‘born to sin’, but you inherited the propensity to sin from Adam and no doubt, have given into that propensity. For this reason, you need a Savior and YHWH said, “There is NO SAVIOR besides Me.” Sure, your physical life can be saved by any ‘savior’, but your soul cannot be saved by any human. As it stands, FEW will be saved and I’m telling you, if even a FEW could have been saved by not sinning (if it were possible), we would not have needed the blood of Yahshua, our God and Savior.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      robert, No other ‘god’ will Judge you; there is only One God, One Judge, One Almighty. Yahshua is THE One, True God (1 John 5:20), THE Judge and THE ALMIGHTY: https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-ALMIG...

      Isa 43:10 states, “Before Me there was no god formed, And there will be none after Me.”

      Isa 45:23 declares, “I have sworn by Myself, The Word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to ME every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.”

      Phil 2:10-11 “so that at the name of Yahshua EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Yahshua haMashiach is YHWH, to the GLORY of God the Father.”

      1 Cor 12:3 “…no one can say, "Yahshua is YHWH," except by the Holy Spirit.”

      There is no such entity as ‘Lucifer’. That NAME was inserted by the RCC and is only found once in the text of the Bible (Isaiah 14). Michael is NOT the offspring of God; no angel was ever ‘born’, but created; just as Adam was created and not born. For this reason they are called ‘sons of God’. Mankind, through FAITH, is called ‘sons of the Most High’ aka ‘sons of God’. Angel means messenger, and for this reason even pastors are called ‘angels’ in the first three chapters of Revelation (“to the angel of the church at * write…”). Why is that? They proclaim the WORD OF YHWH and are NOT to proclaim their own word.

      No angel will judge (Jude 1:9), but born-again believers will judge the angels! (1 Cor 6:3) “And to which of the angels did YHWH say, “Sit at My right hand”?” (Heb 1:13) NONE. It’s good you do not believe Yahshua was Michael, but to say Yahshua was indwelt by Michael is to call Michael THE WORD and to call Michael THE DEITY. THAT IS A LIE FROM HELL.

      Yes, YHWH appeared as ‘The Angel of YHWH’, as He took on an image/voice to speak to mankind in the Old Testament. THAT was Yahshua, the Word and image of the invisible God. When the prophets of old spake, they spake the WORD OF YHWH given to them by HIS SPIRIT. Again, that is why angels and prophets are called ‘messengers’. Prophets and Angels bring messages FROM GOD and they speak what YHWH gives them. THEY are NOT THE WORD, for the WORD is GOD = Yahshua. This is why it is very important to understand what Yahshua said in John 12:48 “the word I spoke [not the word Michael spoke or the word My Father spoke] is what will judge him at the last day.”

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      DT 5 years ago

      JD, if you are not saying that we are guilty of Adam's sin then I agree with you. Also, I never denied the existence of anyone's sins. My objection to your beliefs is the following: "Why do you think we needed a ‘last Adam’ that had NO earthly father to redeem that which was lost?" To assert something like this is essentially saying that is a sin to be born. I didn't create myself in my mother's womb. God did. And if God created me in my mother's womb then it is his fault that I am a sinner. In fact, it is actually to my personal contention that those who promote inherited sin doctrine are the ones who are not keeping to that verse in 1 John 1 that you cited. As for 2 Corinthians 5:19, it is talking about Jesus being made by God to be our sin offering. There is nothing about inherited sin doctrine here. This is a concept that must be read into the text. But if you are simply going to oppose my viewpoint on inherited sin on account that you believe I am saying "I have not sinned" then you are not going to convince me. That is not what I am saying. I am saying that I was not born a sinner. Also, I agree that Adam's first sin was sin entering the world. He abused his free will.

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      robert 5 years ago

      actually the word was a god not God. my guess the word was the one accounted as first born after lucifer gave up his birth right. I think Michael my be this only offspring(monogenh) after and all other heavenly beings are created not formed as a offspring. plus in Revelation the Word fits perfectly with the how Michael brough the word to the Israelites and many before them. but i dont not believe Yahshua was Michael but was indwelled by him to speak the word as a very special prophet

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      robert, The Word indwelt Yahshua?! Let’s see: John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was to/toward [pros] Elohim [angels, magistrates and we as believers] and God was the Word. “ (Greek translation) We’ve already established Gen 1:1 “In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth – and we know there is only ONE Creator who created ALL things BY HIMSELF. That Creator was and is the Ruach HaKodesh.

      Now John 1:14 tells us THE WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us – so how it is, the Word indwelt Yahshua when HE was and IS the Word, who IS GOD (YHWH Elohim)? This fact is established. Of course the Spirit indwelt Him, for He was conceived and born of that very Holy Spirit. He did NOT receive the Holy Spirit at His baptism. And speaking of His baptism, He had NO NEED TO REPENT or be CLEANSED, as He was sinless. Again, in EVERYTHING, YHWH, as the Son of Man/Son of God did EVERYTHING as an EXAMPLE for us.

      Isaiah 9:6 “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” His NAME is called “Immanuel” and “Yahshua”, for HE IS GOD WITH US/GOD TOWARD US/GOD OUR SAVIOR.

      Yahshua pre-existed the begotten Son as YHWH Himself. For He said that “Abraham rejoiced to see My day” (John 8:56) – and when did Abraham SEE His day? I would say when YHWH appeared to him to tell him Sarah would have a son (Gen 18). Likewise, Yahshua said clearly in John 8:58 “BEFORE Abraham was BORN, I AM.” You have NOTHING to refute these facts. To deny them is to deny YHWH.

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      robert 5 years ago

      no John 3:16 is speaking of the word that indwelled Yahshua . Like I said you have not took the time to understand Yahshua was indwelled by a holy spirit

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Let’s go beyond Matthew and Luke, shall we, robert? John 3:16 clearly states that Yahshua was the ONLY BEGOTTEN (born) SON of GOD. Now, we already covered that Israel was called ‘Elohim’, “sons of the Most High”. WHY is it then, since there were so many sons of God that Yahshua is called the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God, if He were no different than the others? It is YOU who DENY the Truth. I will not have further discussion with you, as you are clearly in rebellion against YHWH…a “white washed sepulcher full of dead men’s bones”.

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      robert 5 years ago

      actually if you took the time to really research you would find attested by the early church fathers that Matthew was first written in hebrew then translated with great difficulty . In this hebrew Matthew there was No, again No birth story and it began at the baptism. the you loi that Luke was without this myth in the first mention of the book we call Luke when Marcion brought it with him when he came to the roman church and he was welcomed with open arms to later be shunned as the myth of the birth started to take hold in the church. A pagan wrote the proto evangeline ttie his belief to that of babylonia greek myth.

      So no i dont believe in the myth of the virgin birth and those who tried did so using a bad interpretation of Isaiah with would require the virgin birth to have happened twice. but using a better interpretation we can find it didnt mean a virgin birth and was not a prophesy. other than these myth being added there is nothing any where claiming this any where else in the nt even though you will try to use born of woman you will do so out of ignorance because that is an idiom meaning totally human

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      How is it, robert, that Yahshua was conceived by the Holy Spirit yet wasn't indwelt by the Holy Spirit until His baptism? In HIM dwells (present tense) ALL the fullness of the Deity bodily! (Col 2:9) You have this mixed up in your spiritual mind. The Spirit 'like a dove' descended upon the Son of Man (Yahshua) as a SIGN to John the Baptist (John 1:33). Yahshua did not need to be 'born again' as we do, for He was born of the flesh and the Spirit (literally). We, on the other hand, born of the flesh, must be 'born again' of the Spirit in order to be His dwelling place. And, yes, like Yahshua (as the last Adam), we will do the same signs and even greater things because of the Spirit IN us, working through us. This is the Spirit of Christ, for it is He who gives us this authority (Luke 10:19) - for YHWH is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of YHWH is, there is liberty (2 Cor 3:17).

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      robert 5 years ago

      your problems is you dont understand that the human Yahshua was indwelled by a holy spirit after his baptism which spoke and did miracles thru Yahshua just as it did thru the disciples in John 20:22. . You just dont want to see the truth

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      robert, let’s look at the word ONE (Greek heis –a cardinal numeral, one.) In other instances you reference, we will see the feminine of this word, mia. This is used for God and Man in unity. Yahshua, as the last Adam, the Son of Man (flesh) was one (mia) with the Father (the Spirit, Ruach). I’ve covered the passages that clearly show YHWH is Spirit and is invisible. Yahshua is His image (in the Old Testament, immortal, spiritual) and (in the New Testament, flesh and Spirit – see Acts 9:3-5). Likewise, mankind is one (mia) with each other and one (mia) with Christ, who is YHWH.

      Let’s talk about the Creator for a moment. Surely, you don’t believe in “the eternal Son”, right? Therefore, let’s observe two passages for reconciliation:

      Isaiah 44:24 “Thus says YHWH, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, YHWH, am the Maker of ALL things, Stretching out the heavens BY MYSELF And spreading out the earth all ALONE.”

      John 1:3 “All things were made BY Him [Yahshua]; and without Him was not ANY thing made that was made.”

      Now, let’s see WHO breathed into Adam the breath of life: Job 33:4 “The Spirit [Rhuach] of God [El] has made me, And the breath of the Almighty [Shadday] gives me life.”

      Now, Gen 2:7 tells us, “Then YHWH Elohim formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.”

      Finally, let’s go to John 20:22 “And when He [Yahshua] had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.”

      The Ruach HaKodesh IS YHWH, the very breath of Him. YHWH is the Holy Spirit, made flesh and dwelt among us, and is now the very Holy Spirit that finds His temple in the hearts of believers. Rom 8:9; John 2:19, 21; 1 Cor 6:19.

      Remain Unitarian – but know, just as YHWH came unto His OWN and His OWN received Him NOT (John 1:11), you have not received HIM. They thought Yahshua was merely the son of Joseph, just as you. John 14:7 “If you had known Me [Yahshua], you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Believe it or not.

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      robert 5 years ago

      JD

      If you took the time to research you would find the hebrew word echad can be used to mean joined . Yahshua also said it to refer to many becoming one with him.

      No I dont believe in 4 equal El's and/or Eloah's or together Elohim. I believe in ONE Creator( EL YAH the ELYON) and ONE Havah(the breath of all life, Wisdom) who was the first created being by YAH the ELYON. Everything after their union was created by YAH thru Havah then even thru the Sons of Elohim, Lucifer ,Michael and possibly more.

      I am a strict unitarian who believes in only one Creator, YAH THE ELYON and many co creators who YAH created thru them.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT, I am NOT saying we are guilty of Adam’s SIN. We’re not guilty of Cain’s sin or our parents’ sin! The truth is, SIN entered the world because the first Adam fell into it. For this reason, we all have the propensity to SIN. ALL of us are sinners and I will prove that. Sure, YHWH visits the sins of the forefathers unto the third and fourth generations of those who hate Him (Ex 20:5), but that doesn’t mean that great-grandchild is guilty of their forefathers’ sins. Why do you think we needed a ‘last Adam’ that had NO earthly father to redeem that which was lost? And Yahshua IS the Savior of all mankind. His grace covered all who believed in the Old Testament, just as it does those in the New. Yahshua gave His life at the consummation of the ages (Heb 9:26).

      Ez 18:20 tells us we are all accountable for our own sin. Likewise, it clarifies that the righteousness of a man/woman will be credited as such. Rom 7:9 tells you that BECAUSE of the Law, SIN was defined and the Law indeed was AGAINST us. Thus, we are aware of sin and are sinners (vs. 7). So, where do we obtain righteousness? Through the Law? No. Let's go back to Gen 15:6 "Abram [pre-Law] believed the LORD, and He credited it to him as righteousness." For this reason, Yahshua said in Mat 5:20, "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."

      Thus, I go back to Isa 64:6 "For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away."

      1 John 1:8 tells us, "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the Truth is not IN us."

      Thus, how to we obtain the righteousness of God? 2 Cor 5:21 "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”

      You challenge my interpretation? Hey, I take the Bible for what it says, unless it can be proven it was altered (as Mat 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 were). It is up to YOU to prove your case, which you have not.

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      DT 5 years ago

      Another point:

      You cite Isaiah 64:6. This is talking about how OUR iniquities take us away which would be an impossibility if someone else's iniquities take us away. Keyword - "our". Sin is personal, not inherited. As for Romans 5:12, we fall under the influence of Adam when we make a free choice to follow in his rebellion. Once again - sin is personal - not inherited. And of course there is none righteous because of the abusal of free will. Thus again my task is to not prove the RCC added those scriptures, my task is to demonstrate based on the majority evidence, that the scriptures used to prove inherited sin are distorted and abused by inherited sin proponents. I have provided sufficient evidence to demonstrate this. Blessings.

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      DT 5 years ago

      JD, no those verses were not added by the RCC. Those verses were misinterpreted by the RCC in order to enforce their iniquities upon the human race. I was not born a sinner. I am a sinner because I chose to sin (Ezekiel 18:20, Romans 7:9 - I challenge you to prove that the interpretation that those verses you listed prove inherited sin is the correct one and to refute these verses).

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      There are not two judgments, pre- and post-millennia, robert. One is either judged (condemned) or not, based on faith. 1 Tim 4:10 states, “For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.” For this reason, the name of everyone ever born started out in the Lamb’s Book of Life. It is only they who reject God and do not “obey the voice of YHWH” that have their names blotted out of the Book of Life (Ex 32:33; Deut 29:20; Ps 9:5; Ps 69:28; Rev 3:5). In this sense, they ‘nullify’ (make void) the grace of God, as stated in Gal 2:21 “I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

      And speaking of those who never heard the gospel - #1. Adam and Eve didn’t need a preacher or a Bible. Rom 1:20 tells us, “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.” Those who have never heard of Christ are not guilty of rejecting Him, amen? Look at what Yahshua said in John 15:22 “If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.” How can they not have sin? In and of themselves? NO! Because of the GRACE YHWH ordained from the foundation of the world. This is how all listed in Hebrews 11 (pre-LAW) were saved.

      I’ve covered the passages regarding “Right Hand” and we’ve discussed the meanings of Elohim. You can even look at what Stephen saw as he was about to be stoned in Acts 7:55 “But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the GLORY of Elohim and Yahshua [as the Son of Man] standing at the right hand of Elohim (59) “And they stoned Stephen, invoking and saying, “LORD [YHWH] Yahshua, Receive the spirit of me.” (Greek wording).

      So, I looked up where you might get this “YAH and HAVAH(breath) the mother of all living” stuff…Do you believe in the Quaternity Rosary because it honors the four-person Godhead: Father and Mother Creators and God-the-Son and Holy Daughter? It’s bad enough we have those who believe in a two-person Godhead (which when used in Greek is actually the word for Deity, not Godhead), let alone three, but four and even seven (the seven spirits of God). Get real. Echad (Deut 6:4) means the numeral 1 and is masculine. Count to three as a Hebrew: echad, shtayim, shalosh; Note how many ribs were taken from Adam’s side in Gen 2:21: one (echad).

      Ruach (Spirit) is a feminine word, but Spirit is neither male nor female. The attributes of YHWH are all-sufficient, as a mother’s milk nurses her child (El-Shadday, which means The Almighty). We do not split up the Deity by attributes, period. Yahshua’s flesh was the flesh of a woman, not a human male. He was male, yet He was sold out by Judas for the price of a female lamb sin sacrifice (Lev 5:6; 27:4; Mat 27:9).

      So how is the Name of YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) interpreted?

      Y - Yod also means "behold" "look at"

      H - Heh also means "Hand"

      V - Vau also means "Nail"

      His NAME is the NAME of YHWH our SAVIOR. Amen.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT, I wont' go into rhetorical debate with you, as you know, but you've stated this a few times and I am challenging you to PROVE that the scriptures quoted: Rom 5:12 “Therefore, just as through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—“ Rom 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Rom 3:10 “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.” were added to the text by the RCC. How about Isaiah 64:6 "For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away."

      Prove away...

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      robert 5 years ago

      What you are doing is mixing the judgemets .

      1st Judgement(before the 1000year Sabbath )is those who came to the truth of YAH's word thru hearing and seeing, thru proof and reproof. These obeyed the commands of the Creator yet stumbled. the likes of Noah, Shem, Abraham, Moses, David, prophets and any one who took hold of the Covenants of YAH's. This was even offered to all nations as we see in Isa 56. We can find these people even today by their unitarian, sabbatarian, name of the ELYON using, 10 commandments following, the love of all laws(even though some cant be done) ways. These will also know their KING has been seated at the right hand of the Elohim(plural)named YHWH which is compounded meaning YAH and HAVAH(breath) the mother of all living the same breath Adam named his wife after .

      2nd Judgement(after) is for all those who never had the opportunity to see or hear the truth or for those who have allowed satan to deceive them into believing lies.

      Your view of salvation is selfess not allowing better people than yourself to be judged then be allowed to enter the new heaven and renewed earth

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      DT 5 years ago

      JD, the popes of Rome invented the inherited sin doctrine.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      robert, "Elohim" is plural alright, but not as in plural YHWHs, but as in the heavenly host and even those who lived by faith (Ps 82:6; John 10:34). Look it up in the Hebrew dictionary/concordance #430. So you can call Him “their”, but that shows just how twisted your spiritual mind is. Why would YHWH Elohim (the LORD God) call those of the Old Testament, before Yahshua’s death, “Elohim, sons of the Most High”? That should tell you something about those who lived by FAITH BEFORE Yahshua was born, died, resurrected and ascended. Read Hebrews 11; none of those people were saved by the LAW, but by FAITH in God their Savior.

      The Lamb of God was predestined to be slain from the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8). YHWH would not have allowed SIN to enter humanity, if He had not already made provision for it. Yes, the blood of bulls and goats was required to ‘pass over’ the sins of the people year after year; however Heb 10:4 makes it clear “For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.” And hey, Isaac was to be a burnt offering (as a ram), but even he was not slain. He was the father of Jacob (Israel)! Yah provided the RAM, amen. That ram was a shadow of the RAM to come, our Yahshua.

      What you don’t understand is a mere man “born of Joseph” would have been born into sin, for Joseph was NOT sinless, nor was Mary, for she said in Luke 4:27, “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.” You sound like an occultist, sacrificing a mere man for mankind. If ANY man could keep the Law, it would have been Moses! Was he not called a 'mediator'? Even HE could NOT. NO human being can keep the LAW and it was designed that way, to show us our NEED for our SAVIOR. YHWH shed His OWN blood and Yahshua was NOT born of Joseph. The Bible clearly states this in Mat 1:18.

      JUDGMENT is NOT CALLED SALVATION, for John 3:18 states, "He that believeth on Him is NOT condemned [judged]: but he that believeth not IS condemned [judged] already*, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten [born] Son of God.” YOU’VE ALREADY BEEN JUDGED and if you don’t REPENT, you will remain under condemnation, which is NOT your salvation.

      Rom 8:1 also clearly states, “Therefore there is now NO condemnation for those who are IN Christ Jesus.”

      As I stated on my profile page, I will not continue in endless rhetoric. I will leave you with the words of Yahshua in John 12:47-18 “If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world [*for the world is already judged], but to save the world. He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.”

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      robert 5 years ago

      you have no idea what being saved is. when adam sinned the Elohim could not have him in their presence. Adam was seperated from the Elohim because he was no longer holy so the Elohim made them a covering to cover their flesh so the Elohim could even look upon them.

      after that sacrifices had to made in which the spilled blood took the place of the skins. Cain and Able sacrificed but Cain did not use a spotless clean animal of first born status and his wasnt accepted. everyone who wanted the Elohim to hear and see them done this sacrifice Noah , Abraham , Jacob , Moses , David and even the biological Father of Yahshua but Yahshua did not not break any of commandment that was ever given for a man to follow. this made him spotless and being first born of Joseph allowed him to offer himself his blood as a permenent covering so the Elohim could see and here them without animal blood which would only provide a temporary covering. Thanks to Yahshua we dont have to live in the absolute of death , dying without the opportunity to stand in the presence to be judged by the Elohim. His blood covers us all from Adam to the last man born .

      NOW WE CAN BE JUDGED AND THIS IS WHAT IS CALLED SALVATION CAUSED WITHOUT JUDGEMENT WE ALL DIE.

      There is no need to address you twisting and ignoring to promote your false doctrine because before judgement everyone will receive the whole truth and those that confess the means they can stand there (Yahshua) and power of the one who will do final judgement. ( Yahshua has judgement(because the Elohim will rest again) of who enters the 1000 year kingdom which he shares with who he chooses but thats not the final judgement)

      JD you really should pray for guidence then do some real research

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      robert, You need to read John 14:5-14 to understand how Yahshua was the Father in the flesh.

      Peter does NOT disagree. It is he who wrote in 2 Peter 1:1 “Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:” God and Savior are not two persons, for it is written in Isa 43:11 and Hosea 13:4 (spoken by YHWH) “There is NO SAVIOR besides ME.”

      YHWH came as Yahshua (YHWH Saves) as the last ‘Adam’ and set the EXAMPLE in EVERYTHING, paving the WAY back to our rightful inheritance given before the FALL in the Garden. As He, as the last Adam did, WE who are BORN AGAIN can do. John 14:12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that Ido; and greater works than these will he do…” It is HE that granted us that authority, as shown in Luke 10:19 “Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.”

      I’m sorry to tell you that YOU have NO SAVIOR, since you DENY Yahshua is “I AM”: John 8:24 “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." Exodus 3:14 “God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

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      robert 5 years ago

      So it seems that Peter would TOTALLY DISAGREE

      Acts 2 22“Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.

      Acts 10:38

      how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him

      When legion spoke thru the man he indwelled(possessed) was the power to do so something Yah couldnt command of one of his angels or heavenly servents . Yahshua was the first man that thru obedience that any thing Holy could indwell.satan didnt have that problem because he could just pick anyone who committed any small sin.

      I am sorry to tell you but if your god came in the flesh then died, then he is dead and his followers just used the true resurrection of Yahshua as a way to deceive his followers that he failed as a god to think ahead.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hello robert,

      John 2:19 “Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

      God in three persons (the Trinity) is FALSE. There is only One Life-Giver.

      Ask God about timing His sacrificial death. Heb 9:26 “Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.”

      Mat 1:18 clearly tells us, “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.”

      No mere MAN is perfect, without sin. You have confessed Yahshua was sinless; therefore He is Yah, according to Mark 10:18 "No one is good except God alone."

      Rom 5:12 “Therefore, just as through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—“ Rom 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Rom 3:10 “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.”

      2 Cor 5:21 “He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”

      So, we’ll stand before YAH to be judged, whom you think is a separate God from Yahshua? Have you read John 5:22 “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son” and 1 Peter 1:17 “If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;” In Rev 22:12 Yahshua said, “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.”

      Rom 10:4 “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.” Who is the LORD of the Sabbath? And in Whom do we find that rest? And when do we find that rest? Read Hebrews 4:1-10.

      For the history of Oneness, view http://youtu.be/OsS2-HLtcXQ or read my hub “Calvin Murdered Michael Servetus”: https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/CALVIN-Mu...

      Look, you can stay as a “white-washed sepulcher full of dead men’s bones”, if you wish (Mat 23:27). The GOOD NEWS is YHWH came in the FLESH and shed His own blood (Acts 20:28) for your SINS and took the charges of those Laws that were against you and nailed them to that cross (Col 2:14).

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      robert 5 years ago

      I am sorry but there is no biblical or common sense basis for your oneness view and is even futher out there then the myth of the trinity. If the Creator YAH died then there is no life giver to restore his life. Dead is Dead!!!

      Atleast the trinity myth has 2 other players who are said to be lifegivers.

      But why didnt YAH just become a man and have Adam kill him, why wait 4 thousand years.

      Could it be because sin came from a man named Adam and it took 4000 years for a MAN that was born naturally to be perfect in all the laws of YAH to restore what was lost when Adam sinned . if your Jesus was actually the creator who could of restored mankind in the garden but didnt so mankind could suffer his many wraths that took new born children lives, these new borns who never once ever committed a single sin then your Jesus would not be worthy of my worship.

      But thank the glory of Yah that this was not HIS plan , all wraths came because of humanity who YAH gave free will so that through the same freewill one would be born(Yahshua) who through perfection of YAH’s laws would show that mankind could be made holy enough to stand before YAH to be judged , this can be done because our covering is Yahshua. This is the Grace that allows all mankind to be offered salvation aka the blessing to all nations also promised to Abraham.

      The other promise to Abrahm has to do with the Law and is for Israel and all those that strive to follow every law of YAH that existed at their time so they could take part in the 1000 year Sabbath rest which Yahshua will rule from YAH’s thone after that comes the Great judgement of the multitude where YAH returns to his throne after honoring his greatest type of Sabbath.

      From historical writings The oneness myth was a late 2nd century invention ,probably originating or mutating from early 2nd century Marcion's belief that Isu(Jesus) was the creator god and was not really revealed in the OT. He decided this because the OT god created evil but the NT god Isu was all about love. Marcion was acepted into the roman church with this belief . Marcon also had in his possesion the earliest record of a book we now call Luke plus several letters said to be Pauls.

      The earliest belief of who Yahshua was he was man who was sinless because he loved his Elohim and showed it by following every divine commandment of his Elohim . He was born of Joseph and Mary as all men are. This belief was of the Nasaren and also the Ebonites(Poor ones) but this belief was hated by the church because the hatred for anything jewish because of the jewish wars especially the revolution of 135ad

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      For being an ex-Oneness believer, DT, you still hadn't grasped the Truth. The Pope believes Mary was sinless (she was the daughter of Adam, therefore, she had the sin nature of all men/women since Adam and Eve); secondly, the Pope believes the eternally begotten second Person of the Trinity was born in the flesh, who is equal with God, but not the Father.

      You don't believe in 'the eternal Son', do you? Rather, that the Son of God was born, died and rose again, ascended into heaven and remains the Son of God, separate from, and lesser than the Father, for eternity. That's Arianism for you.

      I believe Mary was the human vessel that gave birth to the "only begotten God" (John 1:18), the Spirit of God (God is Spirit and invisible) made flesh to shed His OWN blood for us (Acts 20:28). God abhors child sacrifice and would not perform what He labeled an abomination. That is in my hub entitled "With His OWN Blood".

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      DT 5 years ago

      Funny that you would assert that I am corrupt as the Pope. The Pope thinks Mary is the Mother of God because God came out of her womb!

      Since you believe Jesus is the unipersonal Supreme Deity, than you are actually twice as bad as the Pope.

      The Pope only believes that Mary gave birth to 1/3 of God whereas you assert that Mary gave birth to all of God.

      Think about that.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT, there is only ONE divine 'glory' and that is the glory of God. "Glory" is the Hebrew word 'kabowd', meaning "abundance, honour, glory" and the Greek word 'doxa', meaning "honor, renown; glory, an especially divine quality, the unspoken manifestation of God, splendor."

      Flesh is an 'earth-suit' and Jesus, in His glorified form (the 'morphe' of God - ref Phil 2:6), appeared in 'another' (heteros - different) form (morphe), after His body was resurrected (Mark 16:12), so where was His original 'earth-suit'? And, He appeared as speaking Light to Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9).

      Do you THINK, should you see Jesus in heaven after physical death, you will ask Him to 'show me the Father'?, as Philip did? Let's read John 14:7-9:

      "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

      Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”

      Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?"

      John 1:18 declares, "No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, He has declared Him.”

      Greek: http://biblos.com/john/1-18.htm

      1 John 5:20 "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

      You wanted Jesus to be God? He is God. Accept it or reject it; it appears you have rejected the Truth, and for that, the LORD Jeus Christ will be your Judge, rather than your Savior, for the LORD said again in Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD (YHWH); and beside Me there is NO Saviour."

      Luke 2:11 "For unto you is born this day in the city of David [a] Saviour, which is Christ the LORD (YHWH)." 'soter' - "properly, THE Savior, Jesus Christ who saves believers from their sins and delivers them into His safety."

      Isa 9:6 again..."For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His Name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."

      Jesus is both King of kings (Rev 19:6) and Prince of peace (Isa 9:6); He is both the Root (Creator) and offspring of David (Rev 22:16). Amen.

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      DT 5 years ago

      I agree with that statement of God's in Isaiah 42:8. Have a look at John 17:22 with me for a minute.

      John 17:22 - And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we [are] one; (ASV)

      What does Jesus do? He gives his glory to us. But God gives his glory to no one. And the only way to understand why Jesus gives his glory to us but God does not give his glory to anyone if we do not fight against truth but accept that Jesus isn't God.

      Now note: the body is the temple of God. If this is true, then blaspheming the Son of Man (God's flesh according to you) would be just as bad as blaspheming the holy spirit.

      Again, the only way to understand Matthew 12:31-32 is if the truth is accepted that Jesus is God's most highly exalted Son and not God himself. Jesus is not an earth-suit. You are the one trying to make Jesus out to be an earth-suit and your responses as to how Jesus was talking to himself are simply fighting Jesus. Don't fight truth friend. I wanted Jesus to be God too.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT, I am not posting your lengthy commentaries, arguments and links to promote your Arian view. I wondered whether or NOT to open the door, even a crack to you, as you have harrassed me by changing handles, to do the same thing, fighting the Word and what it says. I will keep this simple and to-the-point.

      Just as there is ONE Divine Savior, Who is God Himself; ONE who can remit (erase) sin, and ONE First and Last, Who is God Himself. I don't care how many humans are called 'saviors', can 'forgive others' or are 'firsts' and 'lasts', there is only ONE Almighty God and He manifested Himself in the Person of Jesus Christ.

      Jesus was God Himself in the flesh, His flesh was called the Son of Man; the flesh that would become sin for us and die on the cross. For this reason Jesus said we could 'blaspheme the Son of Man [His flesh]' (Mat 12:32), yet He also warned we are not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, God IN Him that cast out demons in that case, "as they were saying He has an evil spirit" (Mark 3:30). This same Spirit of God IN Him raised His mortal body from the dead. Jesus said clearly in John 2:19 "Destroy this temple [His fleshly body] and in three days, I WILL raise it up."

      You know the Holy Spirit (Ruach Ha-Kodesh) is a 'breath or blast of air"; it is the very breath of God. Giver of physical life and spiritual life. Let's consider:

      Gen 2:7 "the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

      And

      Job 33:4 "The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life."

      And

      John 1:4 "In Him was life and that life was the light of men."

      Finally, we will oberve the following passages:

      Isa 45:23 "I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to ME every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance."

      Phil 2:10 "that at the name of JESUS every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD [YHWH] , to the GLORY of God the Father."

      In Isa 42:8 The LORD (YHWH) clearly states, "I will not give My glory to another." Amen.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT, God ALONE is man's Justifier. 2 Cor 5:21 "For He has made Him, who knew NO sin, to be sin for us; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." The last Adam overcame sin, condemned sin and justified the sinner, that we, the sinners, might be made the righteousness of God IN Him.

      1 Tim 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God [He] was manifest in the flesh [as the last Adam], justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

      Rev 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the First and the Last, which was DEAD, and is alive..."

      Isa 44:6 "This is what the LORD [YHWH] says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD [YHWH] Almighty [El Shadday]: I am the First and I am the Last; apart from Me there is NO God."

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT, in answer to your New World Translation comment, let me make this very simple. In Ps 82:6, quoted by Jesus in John 10:34, the sons of the Most High (believers) are 'elohim' (gods). However, NONE of them can SAVE anyone from sin. "Who can forgive sins, but God ALONE?" (Mark 2:7; Luke 5:21). And if you try to say Peter could forgive sin, you are as corrupt as the Pope. Case closed.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Comments don't allow for Greek letters, DT, but use rational thinking, if you will. Jesus said, "No one is good except God ALONE." Therefore, this word 'good' applies only to God ALONE, not to Barnabas, for if it were the same, intended meaning, Jesus would have lied, and He is the Truth.

      Regarding John 3:13, I checked the Greek before even using this scripture: http://biblos.com/john/3-13.htm It is proof of the identity of Christ; the Greek contains the wording, "which IS IN heaven", therefore, if other translations remove it, that is their 'bad', not mine. No doubt they did so to support Arian or other doctrines that wish to deny who Jesus IS. The Devil wants to blind, but those who dig into the original language of the Bible will find and will see with natural eyes, if not spiritual eyes.

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      DT 5 years ago

      Also note:

      Romans 8:3 - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (ASV)

      Now notice - if only God could do what Jesus could do then sin was not condemned in the flesh, sin was justified in the flesh.

      Think about it.

      Blessings.

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      DT 5 years ago

      This is from a site that is in defense of the New World Translation (which I do NOT endorse).

      “Some might bring up for discussion Isaiah 43:10 where according to the NWT we can read:

      "'You are my witnesses,' is the utterance of Jehovah, "even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me, and that you may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. I - I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no saviour'"

      We would benefit from noting the context. Jehovah is asking his witnesses, the nation of Israel, to consider the "gods" of the surrounding nations. In contrast to Jehovah, the God of Israel, these gods have no real power as Jehovah has and has shown throughout this nation's history. Really, these pagan, idol "gods" are non-existent, an unreality.(Is.41:23) Hence, it is truth that Jehovah alone is the true God. There are no others that can rival him or can be compared with him from amongst the pagan nations. However, as can be seen from our discussion of the word "god"(Heb."elohim"), others who are not false "gods" can be so described. So there are more than just the two 'categories' or usages of "God/god" than a) The True God and b) False gods. There is another: c) Those who are both representatives and reflections, with power and authority from the True God can also be termed "god/gods." John, in his opening verses to his Gospel therein describes the Word, in his prehuman existence, as, not a false, idol, non-existent "god," but as one who was with the True God, and as 'spokesman' of this One, could be properly described as a "god." There is therefore, when we consider the contexts of both passages, no conflict with Isaiah 43:10 and the NWT's rendering of John 1:1.

      We should carefully note what Jehovah says here at Isaiah 43.11.

      Jehovah states that besides He there is "no saviour." Is this true? Yes, of course. We can also read at Isaiah 12.2 "Look! God is my[Israel's] salvation. I shall trust and be in no dread; for Jah Jehovah is my strength and my might, and he came to be the salvation of me." However does not the scriptures themselves call others, other than Jehovah, "saviours"? Yes! For instance see Judges 3.9. Was Othniel a "saviour"? Yes. Was Othniel a 'false' saviour? Of course not! This shows that Jehovah can state that only he is a "saviour" of his people yet at the same time call others who he uses, by 'raising them up' for purposes of salvation, "saviours." Hence, it would be wrong for someone to argue that only Jehovah can be a "saviour" because of what we read at v.11 of Isaiah 43. It would be equally erroneous then to argue that because Jehovah stated that "Does there exist a God beside me? No, there is no Rock. I have recognized none" (Is.44.8) that Jehovah Himself can not call into existence those who he would recognise as a "god" or "gods" and yet these are not in any way 'false' or non-existent. Note that Jehovah says he "recognises none."-Is.44.8. That is, Jehovah does not "recognise" any of the nations "gods." Jehovah is the only absolute "God" and only those he calls "gods" or "a god" would he "recognise" as such. This is what Israel was to recognise: That He was a God in whom there is no rival from the nations "gods." None of these were "saviours" of Israel nor were any of these "gods" who were "beside" Jehovah. Those who bring up Isaiah 43.10 to argue against a grammatically and contextually correct translation of John 1.1c ("and the Word was a god"-NWT)are only showing that they have mis-understood the context and hence mis-aplying it in support of a trinitarian understanding of theos at John 1.1 and at the same time showing that they have to resort to such a misunderstanding because of the strength of the grammatical arguements that favour the "Word" there being described, no, not as "God," but as "a god" who was with "God."”

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      DT 5 years ago

      Now understand, the word ?????? used in Mark 10:18 is defined the following:

      "intrinsically good, good in nature, good whether it be seen to be so or not, the widest and most colorless of all words with this meaning."

      It is also applied to Barnabas in Acts 11:24. Is Barnabas God?

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      DT 5 years ago

      Hello, judahsdaughter, I think you bring up some good points but please allow me to address them.

      On the subject of John 3:13:

      John 3:13 - No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man. (NIV)

      John 3:13 - No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. (ESV)

      John 3:13 - "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. (NASB)

      John 3:13 - The only one who has ever gone up to heaven is the One who came down from heaven -- the Son of Man. (NCV)

      John 3:13 - No one has ascended into heaven except the one who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. (NRSV)

      John 3:13 - No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the Son of man. (RSV)

      John 3:13 - No one has gone up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven, the Son of man; (NJB)

      Vincent:

      “Which is in heaven

      Many authorities omit.”

      These are numerous different translations on the verse. I do understand that I am not alone in the position that the last four words "which is in heaven" should be omitted.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT, Jesus was fully God and fully Man. He, the omnipresent Spirit, subjected Himself to becoming a hu-Man, what the Bible calls "the last Adam". A dual existence as Spirit and flesh (even as the LORD appeared to Abraham in Gen 18). He, as the Son of Man, had to feel pain, suffering, hunger, weariness, temptation by Satan, follow His own Law and not sin. As the Son of Man He must have been capable of sinning, due to the flesh of Mary (for even she sinned - all have sinned Rom 3:23). If not, what then did He overcome? In every way He had to overcome, even death on the cross, for the sake of mankind, His creation. In every way He set the example for us to follow. Therefore, when we face God-ordained persecution, we also pray, "Not my will, but Thy will be done."

      In Mark 10:18 Jesus asked, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God ALONE." That's a dead giveaway for those who will 'see'. Jesus was without sin, perfectly holy, blameless, spotless. No one is good except God ALONE, and in this He revealed His identity to those who will receive. For this reason, His righteousness, His sacrifice saves us. None of us are righteous, no not one (Rom 3:10).

      Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD (YHWH); and beside Me there is NO Saviour." So, if you believe Jesus is a created being and you are trusting him, as a created being, to save you, you have no Savior.

      Let's talk about God the hypostasis for a moment. In John 3:13 Jesus said, "And NO MAN hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which IS IN heaven." There was never a 'son of man' IN heaven prior to the ascension of the Son of Man. Jesus taught us to pray (again, example) in Mat 6:9, "Our Father, which art IN heaven..." That tells you Who He is. We, like Him, though we now have the Spirit of God/Spirit of Christ living in us, pray to overcome the flesh and submit to the Spirit. Once we are changed/resurrected into our immortal bodies, we no longer must overcome the flesh, for we will be perfect as He is perfect (Mat 5:48).

      2 Thes 2:3 prophesied, and it is Truth, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first." One cannot 'fall away' unless they at one time were in the Truth. The end time is upon us, for Netanyahu is to take control of the temple mount to rebuild the third temple, by the end of this year. I say to you, 'repent', for you know the Truth and have rejected it, by the vain deceipt of men.

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      DT 5 years ago

      I suppose in your theology that whenever Jesus is talking to the Father he's just playing pretend. Honestly, judahsdaughter, I really think that the only reason you do not appreciate my comments is that you know that your beliefs don't line up with the Scriptures. You simply just want Jesus to be more than what he said he was. I used to hold to your position but I had to start letting scriptures speak to me rather than me for scriptures. I hope you come across true truth. Blessings.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      72.201.142.80 - Hello again. Really, is this all you have to do? To answer your statement: http://www.askoh.com/verses/oneness.html

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      Sarah 5 years ago

      Many people have denied the Father's love for us.

      He came down just so He could save us. Became His only begotten Son.

      God bless you sister!

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      I am thankful you have come to me, sister Christinme! Truly, the saints are as the spring of living Water to our souls that are prone to weariness in the spiritual warfare of slicing through this world of doctrines of demons with the Sword (Word) of the Spirit. Healing and refreshment, amen!

      We can more fully understand what Jesus Christ, as the 'last Adam' said in John 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works." To be like Christ, to be the 'Son' of God is for the Spirit of God to do His works in us and through us, amen. THIS is the LIFE that is eternal, for He is eternal.

      The Revelation of Jesus Christ 21:7 promises, "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son."

      Ps 23:1/John 10:27 The LORD is my Shepherd. We are His sheep, for whom He laid down His life (John 10:11), that we may live eternally, forever with Him, in Him and He in us. HalleluYah!!

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      Christinme 5 years ago

      God is not a God of tradition . To think that we can just pray "the sinners prayer " and be saved forever, however we behave is the biggest of satans lies that is attacking doctrine like a cancer .

      God requires us to KNOW HIM, to walk in HIS truth.

      John10:27 My sheep listen to My voice , I know them and they follow me.

      “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

      God intends us to know Him for Himself and not a doctrine about Him .

      Many will fight against this message , however Gods word never comes back to Him void.

      I am blessed to have found your hub, be encouraged never to grow weary of doing good .

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      You are such an encouragement and blessing to my heart, Christinme! Thank you. Yes, I am constantly 'listening' in my spirit to be guided by my Shepherd's Truth and understanding ~ to feel His gentle rod to keep me focused on Him, Who is the Truth.

      I remember my 'conversion' experience, though I had already 'done' the 'things' that one does to become a 'Christian' (prayer of confession, receiving Christ in my heart, being baptized, going to church...) ~ yet, there came a day when I realized I was doing the work, which wasn't so fruitful...so, I yeilded to what I did not know, in faith and trust, to let Him live in me and do His work through me. THAT is when I saw the fruit, amen!

      Even in John 14:21 those who don't yet have 'eyes to see' will focus on 'he that loves Me shall be loved of My Father', indicating two 'persons' in their mind. Yet, I ask them, "Who's commandments are they again?" May our LORD, YHWH, the Great "I AM" be praised forevermore. God bless you, sister! God bless you!!

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      Christinme 5 years ago

      I admire your boldness sister in Christ. I too know that God has revealed to me His vastness and splendor covering the world. That HE can be all things at all times . I wanted to remind readers of The seven "I AM" sayings of Jesus Christ in the book of John. The divinity of Jesus Christ is further illustrated in John 8:58. Jesus said, “Truly, Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am”, which means that Jesus existed before His human life on earth.

      It is fantastic that you too are looking to God to show you and teach and not looking to mans understanding.

      The LORD recently revealed to me that "self" gets in HIS way. It is not who WE are in CHRIST, but who CHRIST is in us . It is my prayer on this earth that man looks to God to reveal Himself in scripture , and not to another mans understanding of it .

      He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

      John 14, v21 says it all.

      God bless you for following the narrow path . xxx

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi sister Christina!! I praise God you came to read and post ~ I rejoice when I meet another one who knows who God is!! This Truth can only be revealed by His Spirit, and that is ever evident as I continue to press on courageously in addressing this most important fact. I'm sure you come accross the same trials, as the 'majority' of Catholic-rooted Protestant churches, as well as the mother RCC hold to God in three 'persons'.

      I would love it if you would email me, because I will sincerely listen to what is it you feel we are not unified in, as I am always teachable ~ just careful who I subject myself to learning from/with! I only came to the understanding of who God is (not due to any church doctrine or influence), but by God Himself, just about two years ago (when I then wrote this hub)...what a mind-blower! Oh, to overcome indoctrination and listen to the LORD!

      Thank you again, sister. Thank you.

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      Christina 5 years ago

      Hello JD,

      I have enjoyed most of what I have read on your posts. I am a oneness believer by revelation from God. As I searched and prayed for understanding I heard one day in the middle of all my confusion, a small voice that said "humanity" and then ding, ding it all clicked. My husband was a die hard catholic and he is now a oneness preacher. God is good all the time. I believe the truth comes more clear the more we seek. We never should stop growing and I never believe anyone. I have to read it to believe it. Although we don't agree on everything, we do agree on the truth of who He is. A wonderful truth to treasure! God Bless You!

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT aka Daniel R aka Ariel aka Arletta aka DHB aka Raindrops aka Rainbow aka Clam aka Archangel Lord...don't you realize your IP Address shows on every comment? I've reported all your identities and IP addresses to HubPages, as I feel harrassed and am asking you to STOP commenting on my hubs.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT and all your other identities, including 'Rainbow' now...I've blocked you from my email, but KNOW that I agree with OvadYah in the link you provided. It looks to me like you spend countless hours and effort going after believer after believer, like it's your mission, to waste their precious time and attempt to draw attention to yourself. I only pray many read these publicized debates, here ~ there ~ and everywhere, unto the glory of the Truth, so our labor with you is not in vain.

      I have to quote OvadYah's response to you here, because I agree fully: "How then can we classify Messiah as 'a Lesser God" as all these theories intimate - like the Trinity (the topic of this discussion); a 'Compound Unity' and the latest 'Two YHVH's' theory - where one of the YHVH's is a "lesser" YHVH, which position obviously is reserved for Messiah! (For my own soul's sake, I shall publically pray "YHVH forgive me for allowing these fingers to even type this sacrilege!")"

      Quit 'wearing down the saints'!!!! DANIEL 7:25

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      Raindrops 5 years ago

      Dang. you're good.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DT aka Daniel R aka Ariel aka Arletta aka DHB aka Raindrops...the same spirit speaks.

      1 Cor 3:19 "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, "He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness."

      No more comments from your latest handle will be allowed.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi Raindrops, Unlike the immortal flesh God took on to meet with Abraham, He took on human flesh at the appointed time to shed His own blood for our sins (Acts 20:28; Heb 9:22). Jesus was both fully God in the flesh (“In Him [Jesus] dwells the fullness of the Deity bodily” – Col 2:9) and Man in the flesh (i.e. Mat 26:24). God has a soul (Mat 12:18; Heb 10:38/Hab 2:4). God is the Spirit (John 4:24), yet as the Son of Man had a human spirit (Luke 1:80/2:40; 10:21). God has a mind (Gen 1:8; Is 43:25; Rom 8:27; 1 Cor 2:16). God has a will (many scriptures declare this), while He, as the Son of Man had a human will (Luke 22:42). God has a ‘heart’ (Ez 28:2, 6). God even sings over us (Zeph 3:17) ~ just as we are made in His image. I have a beautiful hub on this called “Soul, Spirit, Mind and Heart”: https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Soul--Spi...

      Our LORD subjected Himself to everything we are subjected to (Heb 4:15). So, no, Jesus was not just a house without a soul, spirit, mind, will, heart, emotions, hunger, thirst, exhaustion, even was tempted by the Devil (though He did not sin). He became the last ‘Adam’ to give us back the authority to rule over the earth, as it was in the beginning. This will happen after the last enemy (our physical death) is destroyed (ref the angel’s interpretation of Daniel’s vision in Dan 7).

      God didn’t have to ‘leave’ heaven to appear to Abraham or live in the tabernacle of the Son of Man. He is omnipresent, meaning He is everywhere at once. If He lives in you and me, He is in heaven and in us, for He is invisible Spirit. We too, have a human side to us, while yet His Spirit dwells in us. While He indwelt all those baptized by fire (the Holy Spirit) on the Day of Pentecost, He yet appeared to Saul/Paul on that road to Damascus. Jesus said in Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." He is coming in visible form again, to sit on David’s throne for the millennium, on the throne at the Great White Judgment (Rev 20), and on the Throne of God Almighty for all eternity. Read Revelation 21! Our God is AWESOME.

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      Raindrops 5 years ago

      So what you are saying is that the Jesus who is on Earth was a manifestation God took on but it was only really a body that God created?

      Let me try to understand...

      God never left Heaven.

      He created a body to manifest His Spirit in.

      But remained in Heaven.

      God controlled this body.

      The body had no will or mind of its own.

      God destroyed the body while remaining in Heaven.

      God made this body our Lord.

      So in your beliefs, Jesus is a body? Not really God or a man?

      If you could clarify. I never have heard of this theology before and it sounds like the Jesus presented here was only a body.

      If you do think Jesus is only a body, then a body paid the price for mankind's sins?

      I'm not certain I can accept this as Truth if this is the case.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi Raindrops, God is not the Author of confusion (1 Cor 14:33), so let me give you the answer from the Word (the Holy Bible). God can take on any form He wishes and whenever He chooses. Taking on a ‘form’, which is the Greek word ‘morphe’ does not mean He has left His omnipresent existence.

      Let’s just look at His manifestations in the Old Testament first: immortal flesh appearing to Abraham and Jacob (Gen 18:2; 19:1; Gen 32:24, 28, 30); the Angel of the LORD (Ex 3:2; Josh 5:13; 6:2; Jud 6:11, 14); the Rock at Horeb (Ex 17:6. 1 Cor 10:4); clouds by day and fire by night (Num 14:14).

      In the New Testament, He took on flesh (John 1:14; 1 Tim 3:16). While His flesh laid in the tomb, His Spirit raised it up (John 2:19, 21). He appeared to Thomas in that very body (John 20:27-28), appearing though the doors were locked (John 20:26); He appeared in a totally different form to the two men walking on the road (Mark 16:12), then, when their eyes were opened, He disappeared (Luke 24:31). After His ascension, He appeared as Light/Spirit that spoke to Saul (Paul) on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:3-4).

      With this information, you can answer your question without confusion.

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      Raindrops 5 years ago

      You're teaching is just about as confusing as Trinity. Do you believe Jesus still has a physical body? If so, then how can Jesus be omnipresent?

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      DHB aka DT (hello, DT ~ really?) – The same spirit speaks through all of your ‘handles’. Just moments into the video (which I would naturally preview before posting it in my comments from you)...I could see you have found those we who 'think' as you do, obviously. Because of this link, I will not post your comment. I will, however, reply to you.

      If you would like a higher wisdom (wisdom of the LORD), in the most efficient way I could attempt to explain these things, may I invite you to read a couple more of my hubs:

      "Should You Believe in the Trinity? 1 of 2": https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Should-Yo...

      "Should You Believe in the Trinity? 2 of 2"

      https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Should-Yo...

      I will just share a tid-bit regarding John 17:5:

      "Jesus was praying in the Garden of Gethsemane, the night He was betrayed: “And now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.” To understand what He’s praying more fully, we need to begin with verse 1, “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify You.” What does He mean about “the glory which I had with Thee before the world was”? He did not exist as the “Son” or the “Lamb” at that time, but surely God fore-ordained how He would become the Savior of the world in Rev 13:8 “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him [the Antichrist], whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” We know the Lamb was not slain at the foundation of the world, so Rev 13:8 was prophetic and Jesus’ prayer, subsequent arrest, crucifixion and resurrection was the fulfillment of that prophecy in John 17:5."

      It's up to you, but I invite you to grow in understanding.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Ariel, I think it best you not continue to accuse me of being on the brink of losing my salvation, of blasphemy and now as believing an anti-Christ doctrine, denying our Lord Jesus Christ. I have not made such accusations of you.

      What does 'only' mean to you? One and Only? Let me leave you with this: Jude 1:4 "For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and DENY JESUS CHRIST OUR ONLY SOVEREIGN AND LORD." One of us is denying this fact and it isn't I. I'm sticking with the Bible. I'm staying in the TRUTH.

      It's no longer profitable to continue this 'debate' as we have shared enough to be accountable to God and the brethren, even those seeking. I'm not here to banter as clanging cymbals. I will continue to hope that blind eyes are opened and deaf ears will hear. Take care.

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      Ariel 5 years ago

      Oh, my friend...I am concerned for you. I believe you are denying our Lord Jesus Christ. You have my prayers.

      Understand first - Jesus is not God the Father. He never was and never will be. To say this is a teaching of Antichrist doctrine.

      I love you and I want you to go to Heaven so please reconsider what you are teaching!

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi Ariel, I will answer to both Mat 3:16-17 and Rev Chapters 4 and 5:

      The baptism of Jesus (Mat 3:16-17):

      The dove was the sign prophesied to John the Baptist for him to know that Yehowshua (YHWH the Savior), the Lamb of God, Emmanuel (God with us) was right there. John 1:33 “I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'”

      Our invisible God manifested Himself in many ways throughout Scripture. If the Son is one manifestation ‘person’ of God, the dove another ‘person’, then we must also consider at least five more manifestations ‘persons’: immortal flesh to Abraham and Jacob (Gen 18:2; 19:1; Gen 32:24, 28, 30); the Angel of the LORD (Ex 3:2; Josh 5:13; 6:2; Jud 6:11, 14), the Rock at Horeb (Ex 17:6. 1 Cor 10:4), and clouds and fire (Num 14:14). Why stop at ‘three persons’ and not go with ‘seven persons’?

      And regarding Rev Chapter 4 - there is no contradiction to Jesus being Almighty God. In regard to Chapter 5, we've discussed the 'Lamb' taking the scroll from 'Him who sat on the throne' in vs. 7. We must go back to Dan 7 and the interpretation of whom the 'Son of Man' represents = the saints. You can either go with the 'mass-es' (Catholicized interpretation) of Dan 7:13 and Rev 5:7 or go with the angel's interpretation in Dan 7:18, 22. Now, since the whole Bible must be reconciled by itself, there is a commentary on this verse (Rev 5:7) by Scofield as follows:

      "Cf. Dan 7:13,14. The two visions are identical; the Revelation adding that which was hidden from Daniel, that the kings and priests of the church-age are to be associated with the "Son of Man," the "Lamb as it had been slain," in His reign "on the earth" Rev 2:9,10."

      There are answers, but whether you are ready and willing to receive them is your choice. I am praying for you and all who have been swayed by the latter-day Laodicean doctrines of men.

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      Ariel 5 years ago

      I embraced the Trinity when I read Revelation 4-5 and Matthew 3:16-17. I need not prove that these are three here. You need to disprove that these are one person - Christ. Which you cannot. Also, if you look at John 14:7, you will see that Jesus can only be referring to the fact that He perfectly mimics His Father.

      God loves you. I will try to help you understand that Jesus is not God the Father so we can both go to Heaven.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Well, if God 'revealed' to you that He is three persons, please prove it by the Word, as I've asked you to do. You've answered that it is a "mystery".

      The main 'sin' of Oneness Pentecostal churches is they have some twisted man-made doctrines/laws:

      1) One must be baptized in water in order to be saved. False.

      2) Everyone will speak in tongues when baptized in the Holy Ghost. False.

      3) The whole 'holiness' movement thing. BONDAGE and hypocricy.

      These things will, no doubt, push anyone away from the kingdom of God, just as the scribes and Pharisees did: "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in." (Mat 23:13)

      I understand you may have felt or may still feel a bit displaced. You know the Truth, but have embraced the doctrine of the 'Trinity' (God in three persons) in order to belong to an organized 'church'. This is between you and the LORD.

      Ariel, when you get to Heaven are you going to ask Jesus what Phillip did in John 14:8? "Lord, show me the Father"? How about, "Lord, show me the Holy Spirit; I'd like to meet Him, too"?

      His answer, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Ariel? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show me the Father '?"

      I will see you there, dear one. God loves you and I love you.

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      Ariel 5 years ago

      As a Trinitarian, I have no problem with declaring Jesus as the true God. The Father and Holy Spirit are also the true God. And when I get to Heaven, I believe I will see all three. They are one God-kingdom, God-government. Kind of like a monarchy. The only thing that Trinitarians err on is with metaphysics. That's where the confusion is.

      But I will leave you to wander after your false god. If you want to match revelations, I was a Oneness Pentecostal for eighteen years of my life. Then God revealed to me that this was a demonic teaching and that those who wittingly believed it would be destroyed at Armageddon.

      Don't be destroyed at Armageddon!

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Well, that does it for me, Ariel. A mystery...

      Mat 13:11-13 "Jesus answered them, 'To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.' To those who listen to My teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them. Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand."

      There was only ONE reason Jesus was crucified on the cross. The Jews were awaiting their Messiah and many believed/believe Jesus was/is that one. Those who crucified Him did not do so because He claimed to be the Messiah; they did so for the sin of 'blasphemy' - claiming to be God. The penalty for that sin was death. So, if believing Jesus IS the One, True God is blasphemy in your eyes and judgment, then I am comforted to know I have taken up my cross to follow Him.

      1 John 5:20 "And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life."

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      Ariel 5 years ago

      The Trinity. 1 God, 3 persons. I am a Trinitarian and I do believe Jesus is the Most High God, just not the Father. It is a mystery, but God does many mysterious things and I believe His Trinitarian nature makes Him more unique. Modalism is like a blasphemy.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Ariel, it seems I've been providing you with scripture to prove the Divinity of Christ, mainly that He is YHVH. Perhaps you'd care to refute the Bible to prove He is NOT? I'm sticking with what the Bible states clearly, what Jesus declares plainly. You can't refute those verses in Revelation and Isaiah. You must reconcile them, which proves the Truth. If you decide to ignore them or explain them away...who's truth do you follow? If you think I don't 'see', then witness to me what you believe to be the truth. Fair enough?

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      Ariel 5 years ago

      I'm sorry. I believe (know) your view on God is false. You stand on dangerous grounds before God and Messiah.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi Ariel, Joseph Smith's 'revelation' teaches that God is three literal persons of flesh and bone - the Trinity doctrine to its falsest (if falsest is even a word)! The more we get away from One God, the more in danger of violating the Truth we are. Likewise, to deny the fact that Jesus is Yehovah (LORD) would cause me to question that one's professed salvation.

      1 Cor 12:3 "...no one can say, 'Jesus is Lord [Kyrios/Yehovah],' except by the Holy Spirit."

      Joseph Smith's and even the Jehovah's Witnesses doctrines cannot be proven by the Holy Bible, so they had to write their own 'bibles'. I use OUR BIBLE to prove the Truth.

      Jesus became you and me in every way. This is why He said 'My Father is greater than I' (Jn 14:28) and taught us to pray, 'Our Father, who is in heaven' (Mat 6:9). Jesus was 'made' (through the womb of Mary) a little lower than the angels (Heb 2:7-9), so even the angels were greater than He, as they are you and me. He emptied Himself to suffering as you and I do, even worse, to the point of death on that cross (Phil 2:7-8). He raised Himself from the dead (Jn 2:19), as this hub gives biblical evidence for. Three persons did not raise Him. We do not have three spirits living in us (Rom 8:9, 15).

      I believe Jesus is the Almighty God, as He Himself claims to be in Revelation and verified in Isaiah.

      Rev 22:12-13 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

      Isa 44:6 “This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from Me there is no God.”

      Rev 2:8 “To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of Him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.”

      Isa 9:6 “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.”

      Rev 21:6-7 “Then He said to me, 'It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son [huios].'” I’d say, if we’re to be His son, He is the Father! He is the Son, Israel’s King and Redeemer! He is the LORD God Almighty!

      It is WE, the 'Son' [huios] that are forever subject to Him, the Father! Amen!!

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      Ariel 5 years ago

      I'm uncomfortable with people who say that they have been given a revelation from God. Joseph Smith received one.

      As for "flesh and spirit", are the interactions we see in the gospels between Jesus and His Father mere illusions?

      I believe you have a view on God that is false and that you are dangerously close to losing your salvation.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Ariel, you are flesh and spirit are you not? Does that make you two persons? No. The word 'and' is the Greek word 'kai', which means 'even' or 'also' (the same) - for instance, YOU are flesh and spirit.

      Here is an excerpt taken from my hub "Should You Believe In the Trinty? 2 of 2":

      "‘God and the Lamb’ is equal to the usage of ‘God and Savior’ shown in 54 other passages. God is also called ‘God and Redeemer’ (Isa 44:6; 48:17; Ps 78:35; Acts 7:35). The prophets not only called the LORD God ‘God and Savior’ (Is 45:15; Mic 7:7; 1 Chr 16:35, Ps 65:5; Hab 3:18), the Apostles referred to Jesus as 'God and Savior' (1 Tim 1:1; Tit 2:13; 2 Pet 1:1)."

      Believe me, anything you can ask me about separating God into persons, I've already asked the LORD. I pray the answers I give you will plant the Seed, which you will take to the LORD in prayer for confirmation of the Truth. All of us love the Truth and if I thought I had found it, never to ask questions, I would not have grown in the knowledge of Him.

      2 Pet 3:18 states, "but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord [Kyrios/Yehovah] and [kai] Savior Jesus Christ [is this two persons? No.]. To Him [singular pronoun] be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen."

      And, speaking of Jesus Christ being our LORD and Savior, let's go back to Isaiah 43:11 to the Word of Yehovah: "I, even I, am the LORD, And there is NO savior besides Me."

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      Ariel 5 years ago

      "This is speaking of God incarnate, not God as Spirit."

      How is this different from the Trinity heresy?

      I will search for God on my own and study who He is. Christ is forever subject to God.

      Praise God! Praise Jesus!

      Revelation 7:10

      "and crying out with a loud voice, saying, 'Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!'"

      Two distinct and separate beings. One in purpuse.

      ~Ariel

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi Airel, the Lamb is God as our sacrifice, Jesus Christ, as our High Priest and Mediator until the last enemy of death is destroyed; the Lamb, Jesus Christ, is God (the Most High, invisible Holy Spirit) to man and man to God; He is redemption, restoration, the life-giving Spirit, our Creator.

      In Rev 5, the Lamb, in context is established in vs. 5 "Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.” This is speaking of God incarnate, not God as Spirit.

      God was both Spirit and flesh when Jesus was born and lived on earth as the Lamb. Revelation is a book of visions and represents various time periods throughout history and the future. For instance, Rev 12:4-5 is speaking about the birth of Christ and His resurrection: "The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne."

      There are many hubs I've written to give the massive amount of biblical evidence as to God's Person in Jesus Christ, both Old and New Testaments.

      God does not lie; it is man's interpretation of the scriptures that have been misunderstood and taught ever since the Roman Catholic Church made alterations to the original text (to which they've admitted), having inserted them into the Textus Receptus from which all our Bibles, since the late 15th century have been translated. The New Testament must be verified by the Old; not the other way around.

      Acts 20:28 does not use the word 'Son', so to insert it is a mistranslation. Mat 24:36 also does not contain the word 'Son' in its original text: http://studybible.info/ACVI/Matthew%2024:36

      Ask God your questions, as I did and He will answer you, providing you are willing to receive the answers. Indoctrination is a strong-hold that is most difficult to break through. I know, first-hand.

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      Ariel 5 years ago

      "God does not lie".

      Amen! This is why I believe Jesus Christ is inferior to God the Father.

      May our Lord Jesus Christ be praised indeed for He is worthy to take the scroll!

      I'd rather not debate you though. I do not believe Acts 20:28 is a geat argument to convince anyone as to whether or not Jesus is God. I've heard some commentators say "blood of His own Son" is a better translation.

      God bless you!

      ~Ariel

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi Ariel, the last enemy of death has not yet been destroyed where mankind is concerned ~ this will be complete when all are resurrected and go to their final destinations: Paradise or Gehenna.

      In the flesh, God in Jesus Christ was our sacrifice; in the Spirit God in Jesus Christ is our Mediator between flesh and spirit. In the first three chapters of Revelation, Jesus is speaking to the seven churches as Mediator, the way He would if He were still in mortal flesh. He spoke this way to His disciples after His resurrection, before His ascension, too.

      He, in every way, became you and me, mankind. He paved the Way and is the Way. God does not lie, for His Spirit is holy and pure Truth. God is the Creator, the giver of life and is eternal life for all who believe. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. We cannot come to the Father, even receive of His holy presence, if it wasn't for His redemption through Jesus Christ.

      Acts 20:28 tells us that God purchased the Church with His OWN blood. Why? Because He abhors child sacrifice!

      Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5 and 32:35 (NLT) “They have built pagan shrines at Topheth [to Baal – 19:5], the garbage dump in the valley of Ben-Hinnom, and there they burn their sons and daughters in the fire. I have never commanded such a horrible deed; it never even crossed my mind to command such a thing!” A horrible deed! For this reason, He even provided the RAM for Abraham! I have a hub by that title, too.

      Jesus is the exact representation, visible image and presence of God, who is invisible Spirit (Heb 1:3; Col 1:15). Jesus appeared in His resurrected body and showed His hands and side to Thomas (Luke 24:39). Jesus appeared in a different form [morphe] to the two men walking on the road (Mat 16:12). Jesus appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus as invisible "Light" (Acts 9:3-4). He says to us that "My sheep hear My voice" (John 10:27) and calls Himself the "Good Shepherd who lays down His life for His sheep." (John 10:11, 14) Ps 23:1 tells us Yehovah (the LORD) is my Shepherd. There is only one Shepherd (John 10:16). There is only one God (Ex 20:2-3). What a beautiful Truth!!!

      Here's a hub I would like to share with you on the topic of "His OWN Blood": https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/With-His-...

      May our LORD God and Savior, Jesus Christ be praised!!

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      Ariel 5 years ago

      What about Revelation 3:12 where He says He has a God?

      Revelation 2:28 where He says He receives authority from His Father?

      How can there be a receiver if there is not a seperate and distinct giver?

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi Ariel, It's quite simple. Jesus became Adam (you and me), in every way, so He could give us back the authority the first Adam relinquished to the Serpent, so it will be as it was in the beginning.

      1 Cor 15:45 "So it is written: 'The first man Adam became a living being'; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit."

      2 Cor 5:21 "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."

      Daniel had a vision in 7:13: “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a Son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."

      This dream was interpreted by the angel in vs. 18 & 22: (Note who the Son of man is interpreted to be)

      "But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever—yes, for ever and ever.’..."until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom."

      Gen 1:26 (Creation of Adam and Eve before the fall): "And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

      Ps 8:6-9 "You make him to rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet, All sheep and oxen, And also the beasts of the field, The birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea, Whatever passes through the paths of the seas."

      1 Cor 15:27 "For He hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son [saints of the Most High - Dan 7] also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

      Col 3:11 "a renewal [back to the creation] in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all."

      Halleluyah!!!

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      Ariel 5 years ago

      "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Please explain. "The authority I have received from my Father." Please explain. "My God." Please explain.

      All quotes by who you claim to be is God the Father. Was God deceiving us?

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hi Denise, I’m not aware that spirits ARE emotions or vise versa in the Bible. For example, we could read 2 Tim 1:7, “God has not given you a spirit of fear”, which could be interpreted that way, but if we compare it to Rom 8:15 we have greater understanding: “For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again”. The root of emotions is the spirit behind it. Having the Spirit of God results in not having the emotion of fear. God is the Holy Spirit, yet we cannot say that God is pure emotion.

      While I understand what you’re saying about the physical body being damaged, resulting in an inability to function normally; the same goes for the spirit man. Emotions are the result of what spirit controls us. The fruit of the Holy Spirit is self-control, so if someone cannot control their anger it is a reflection of their spiritual condition. Yes, there are those who have brain damage and therefore, to have behaviors as a result of that, is not spiritual, but physical. These bodies are flesh and temporal. They will perish. The spiritual bodies we shall have at the resurrection(s) will not be flesh and blood or subject to such things.

      You stated well, “It is the Spirit of God in us that does good things. Bible says the Spirit of God has mercy, goodness, kindness, patience, etc. Anyone that possesses these qualities has the Father in them.” Your following statements are summed up in the fact that when we see Jesus, we are seeing the Father. John 14:7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Likewise, Jesus stated in vs 9 “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father '?” Yes, the Spirit of God, which is the Spirit of Christ IN us produces the fruit of the Spirit. By this fruit we know who are the children of God and who are not (1 John 3:10).

      2 Cor 3:17-18 states, “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all [who have received the Holy Spirit - those Paul is speaking to], with unveiled face [there are those still under the veil - 2 Cor 4:4], beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.”

      I appreciate what you’ve stated about L. Ray Smith. While it’s good to expose what one considers to be ‘heresy’, to replace it with another ‘heresy’ does NO GOOD whatsoever. He believes “Love will unite us all one day”, but love is NOT in the children of the devil. They separate themselves from God, for God indeed gives them a choice, for He WILL draw ALL men ~ He keeps that promise, but not ALL will be saved (John 12:32; Rom 6:16; Luke 13:23). If all are going to be saved through judgment (time in the Lake of Fire), there was no need for the shed blood of our LORD God, Jesus Christ. There would be no need for grace, mercy and forgiveness. I’ve spent years responding to the doctrines of Universal salvation, and it is a DANGEROUS and FALSE one. Keep pressing on in seeking the Truth, for Jesus promises, “Seek and ye shall find.” (Mat 7:7) AMEN.

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      Denise 5 years ago

      I am still struggling with trying to make sense of who God is. As far as I understand so far. God is a spirit, like the bible refers to emotions as spirits as well. People don't understand how the brain works back then. They haven't for ages until recently. We already know that If the brain's damaged, we're screwed as who we are as a person. ie. brain damage. we become different. Our brains control the emotions and we know that. But the problem is, people refer to emotions as spirit, they think the spirit of anger makes someone angry but really, its the brain chemical that makes that emotion not some ghost. What if God in the physical reality, can be understood and experienced as a perfect goodness and unconditional love that cannot be intertwined with sin because they are polar by nature? God is fully unconditional love, and on the other side, in the spiritual reality, We will see him as he is. We can see his footsteps by looking at the spiritual beauty that follows anything here in the physical realm. It is the spirit of God in us that does good things. Bible says the spirit of God has mercy, goodness,kindness, patience, etc. Anyone that possess these qualities has the Father in them. It is the very image of God in anyone that possess those qualities? maybe? Like Jesus said to them- You see The Father in me... you have seen what I have done, my qualities that only the Father possess has shown for years. You have seen the Father in me. We will know when we see God. the point is, the carnal man by nature, we are selfish, we hurt others by impulse. Maybe God just wants us to evolve as a man and ditch the carnal man in us, getting rid of the beast that controls our carnal nature and take control and make the new evolved creation default in us instead of the carnal creature default? I am familiar of L Ray Smith's website and his teachings. He does have the gift of spiritual discernment and has skills in spotting mistranslations. It is indeed an eye opener- but I have to take everything with a grain of salt. He's great at exposing heresies but then again, he has his own opinions and it's very hard to change someone's mind of things once it's made up.He's camped out already so is his followers. The point what i'm saying is. People like to camp out after a long time in the wilderness and give up as soon as they think they found the truth, but really- truth is always evolving as we learn more information. We have to keep on going till there is no more questions. it's his forum that treat Ray as if he's the pope and shunt anyone that upset them with new information. that is the problem. Funny thing is.. Ray shows the scriptures that say to come out of religions or I say boxes. Yet, his forum puts people in a box. That is why we are to come out of the box and love one another and never usurp anyone no matter what because we are all brothers and sisters no matter what box we were born into. we just need to come out of it and become one flock. Love will unite us all one day. I am sure of that.