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Man... The Leakiest of All Vessels by Merwin
This is a contiuation from my previous Hub... And You Have FAITH In Mankind..?
Chas(uk)'s latest entry that prompted my reply...
I didn't offer any conjecture as to why longevity
has increased, nor is it especially important to my premise. Further,
nowhere in these comments have I implied that genocide or war were on
My premise is simple. I'll reproduce it here in its most succinct form, quoting myself: "[Imagine] another scenario, in which the divisiveness of multiple sovereignties is overcome (transcended by global governance), so that increased wealth and improved human development comes to us all, leading to a non-violent decrease and/or stabilization of the population."
Most of the rest of this thread has been spent pursuing rabbits down holes.
Ah... now we are (gratefully) back to it. And I really don't believe this is a rabbit chase and if it were, at least from the volley in which I contended...
My "superstition" has a lot more validity in history than what you are putting your faith into.
Where is your expectations of this brave new world coming from? Where in our history can you point and say "why here is proof that this can be done... they have done it before... here... was utopia!"
...then it was you who generated the rabbit chase.
To address your premise that brings us gratefully back to the point...
"[Imagine] another scenario, in which the divisiveness of multiple sovereignties is overcome (transcended by global governance), so that increased wealth and improved human development comes to us all, leading to a non-violent decrease and/or stabilization of the population."
With all the support mechanisms (That You Mentioned), you would think that if the boundaries of sovereign lands were dissolved and there were plenty of everything for everybody, there would be no more need for bloodshed..!?
Allow me to reiterate my previous query and I will remove the offending word utopia so you don't get too sidetracked...
"My "superstition" has a lot more validity in history than what you are putting your faith into.
Where is your expectations of this brave new world coming from? Where in our history can you point and say "why here is proof that this can be done... they have done it before... here... was ______!"
The material point is that you are placing unwarranted faith in the goodness of man, who from ancient times to right now, has sought (and is seeking) power through torture, terror and murder.
And you, who are willing to put your Faith into some flowery repentance from past acts, from a species that is only willing to repent from some Machiavellian impetus designed to coral the sheep. You are trusting that somehow, someway... man will finally step up and do the right thing.
You have the nerve to say that... for one (you), to have faith in God lacks scientific proof?
You say that you don't believe in god, but the teachings of Jesus are worth following. You say that there are many similar teachings from faith leaders of different disciplines that teach similar truths.
Okay, I will grant you all of that and a bag of chips... but these teachings by themselves, while generating adherents have not changed the course of man's bloody path.
Man, in every case has corrupted from the inside of peaceful messages, the value of said messages, in his various bids for power. He... man has taken all half truths to promote his own lies to get God's sheep to follow him, to subjugate and oppress others.
And now you are buying into the "peaceful message" of harmonious living through the removal of borders and sovereigns? What a leap of faith... that has little or NO scientific proof, to support that pie in the sky promise.
Jesus even predicted the habitation of man's power hungry march within His church...
Mat 13:31 ¶ Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
Mat 13:32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
The birds of the air are symbolic of a life that is not part of the tree itself but takes advantage of what the tree has to offer.
My friend you seem to be placing an awful lot of faith in the leakiest of all vessels... man.