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Mount of Olivet

Updated on May 18, 2012

People assume too many things! Scripture does seem to state that the Rapture happens at the same time as the second coming of Christ. But, here is no reason to assume that the second coming happens at the same time as the first resurrection as described in Rev 20. There are many reasons stated in scripture that indicates otherwise. There is no reason to assume that the great multitude as seen entering heaven after the sixth seal is opened (Rev 7:9 ) is the same group of people described in Rev. 20, which is said to be the first resurrection. To suggest that these events all happen at the same time is an improper assumption. By using a minimal amount of analytical deduction, when reading a few simply stated verses of scripture, while reframing from applying any personal interpretation, it becomes obvious that scripture indicates that the second coming and the Rapture, and the first resurrection happens during two distinctly different times periods, and possibly a third?

Let’s begin our investigation in Matthew chapter 24. In a private conversation, Jesus was telling these four disciples of things that they will soon see and of things which was going to happen to them. Then in verse 34 Jesus told them that this generation shall not pass till all of these things happen, but no one knows what month and day it will all be finished. In Matthew 16:28, and Mark 9:1, Jesus said that his second coming would happen during the lifetime of some of those which were standing right there in front of him. In the Rev 5:6 Jesus is seen arriving in heaven, described as being bloody and beaten, as if he had recently been taken down off of the cross. We should ask ourselves, why he was described this way. John could have simply identified him as Jesus Christ, King of Kings, but he didn’t! And he immediately takes the book and begins opening the seals there of. Unless we apply our skills of misinterpretation to these verses, there is but ONE obvious meaning. The four horsemen of the apocalypse were released around 30 AD, upon that generation which had beaten and killed him. This happened after the sixty second week of the seventy weeks which was given to them in which they were supposed to quit sinning and anoint the Most Holy. There are eight weeks left in that prophesy. Lets remember to NOT interpret these eight weeks as if they magically disappearing for 2000 years, as some theologians would have us to think.

Matthew 24:7 “… and there shall be famines, and pestilences and earthquakes in divers places”. In 62 AD, there was a great earthquake in the Mediterranean Sea that destroyed Pompeii. For the next 17 years, there were so many smaller earthquakes that they became commonplace and received little attention.

In the mean time a civil war broke out in Jerusalem between the different religious sects. The streets were littered with dead bodies. The Roman army was sent to bring an end to this civil disobedience. The city was surrounded, allowing no one to leave, and no food and supplies to enter. Starvation was soon added to their list of woes. Disease and pestilence soon became rampant, due to the great number of bodies rotting in the streets. It would have seemed that everything that Jesus had spoken of had come true, but the end was not yet,.

In 70 AD the Roman army breached the walls, the temple was destroyed as Jesus had predicted. The insurrection had been put down. Titus and his army continued hunting down and killing any and all suspected of being a rebel. This ended when his father died and he became the tenth Emperor of the Roman Empire on June 23-79 AD . Two months later Mt Vesuvius erupts creating conditions which can be seen as fulfilling those things as stated in Matt. 24:29. And Rev 6:12 We must remember that this was one of the largest volcanic eruptions in history, with winds carrying clouds of ash for 1000s of miles.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light …”. This can be compared to that which is written in Rev 6:12. Rev. 6:12 … “And when the sixth seal was opened there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth, and the moon became as blood”. It is written that at some time after this, a great multitude are seen entering heaven who had come out of the great tribulation.

And Then, the seventh seal is opened. Nothing happens except, there is silence in heaven for about half of an hour. All of prophesy that was written to and concerning that Hebrew Nation has been fulfilled. That Nation of Israel had come to their end of their days. If this verse says nothing else, it definately establishes the fact that all of the events described with the opening of the seals are finished before the trumpets are sounded establishing some degree of chronoligical order to prophesy.

AND THEN the seven angels are given seven trumpets, A different story begins.

I purposefully left out another issue which I should now address. And when the fifth seal was opened, those who had already been killed for their testimony are seen under the alter. They are told that they were going to have to wait there, for a “little season”, until their fellow servants and brethren would be killed as they had been. A season is 13 weeks. A little season would be a little less than thirteen weeks. I believe that each of these thirteen weeks are equal in value to each of the sixty two weeks as described in Daniel 9:26. A little season would be a little less than 119 of our years here on earth. This would mean that these people were going to have to wait, until some time around 149AD.

Matthew 24:22 And except those days be cut short there should be no flesh be saved; but for the elects sake, those days shall be shortened.

When the 14th king belonging to the fourth beast comes to his end (Daniel 11:45 and 12:1) at that time Michael shall stand up for the children of Daniels people, redeaming some of them from among the living and some of them from their graves.

I am not saying that I do, because I do not; but IF a person could understand all to the connections between all of the prophesies they would still be unable to express exactly how they all fit together. It would be like attempting to describe how every strand of a spider web are all connected to every other strand.

I have said it before and will continue to do so. We can not understand prophesy unless we establish a chronological order in which they are said to unfold.

There are a number of pertinant issues that are not contained within this Hub. I will continue attempting to find the right words for their inclusion.


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    • Ms Dee profile image

      Deidre Shelden 5 years ago from Texas, USA

      Thanks, Jerami!

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      jerami 5 years ago from Houston tx

      Actually all of my hubs are on this subject.

      These Hubs contain about half of that which I would like to explain. But when If no one agrees with or understands this 1/2 The other half ain't worth discussing.

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      Deidre Shelden 5 years ago from Texas, USA

      Interesting conclusions I've not seen before. Do you have a hub about the "BIG Picture" you are seeing? Thanks!

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      jerami 5 years ago from Houston tx

      Yes Ms Dee, I have!

      Most exclusively for almost 15 years.

      If 62 weeks in prophesy is 568 of our years, a week is approx 9,16 of our years.

      A season being 13 weeks =s approx 119 years

      If 1290 days in prophesy is a time times and an half ? A "Time" would be equal to 52.2 prophetic weeks

      A "Time" would be = to approx 480 of our years.

      42 months would be approx 1648 years.

      apply these equations every time an angel makes a reference of a time period in prophesy "A BIG Picture" will suddenly apear.

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      Deidre Shelden 5 years ago from Texas, USA

      Very interesting, Jerami. Makes me wonder, have you therefore been looking at the calculations given in Daniel?

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      jerami 5 years ago from Houston tx

      Thanks for dropping in and leaving this comment. I did read four of your hubs. Well written I might add. I agree that Most of the OT prophesy does overlap some of those written in Rev. Mostly with the opening of the seven seals. And that there is a chronological order to them. If there wasn’t, there wouldn’t be so many references of a time frame in which these prophesy are to be fulfilled within or after. With an “and Then” following most of them in Rev.

      In 538 BC Gabriel told Daniel that when 62 weeks have passed the Messiah will be killed.

      This is the only place in scripture that gives us a hint as to a timeline comparison between prophetic time and our time here on earth. Something which deserves much more consideration than it has received. I believe that EVERY TIME a specific amount of time is designated in prophesy, this timeline comparison should be used; when an angel is speaking to a man!

      This 62 weeks mentioned in Daniel could have just as easily been said to be a “time” and two months 10 days OR It can also be said to be 14 months, and a week and 5 days. … all of which equals approx 568 of our years.

      Until anyone actually applies this equation to every prophesy that an angel is speaking to a man; and analize the results, they and I are going to understand differently, the meaning contained within prophesy.

      I’ve now been studying this concept for a decade and a half …. It took 2/3s of that time to carry this concept all the way from A to Z; but I did. I kept running into verses that seemed to stop this concept in its tracks, and then I would discover that the verse didn’t actually say what I thought that it did. It was a preconceived idea of what I thought it said, which "seemed" to contradict the concept. Not what the verse actually said. Preconceived ideas born from misinterpretations which I had leared from my youth were getting in the way of my reading what was actually written While exploring this concept I discovered many false interpretations that I had blindly accepted as a fact.

      We all carry many more of these than we can begin to imagine. Society as a whole has been teaching these misconceptions for centuries.

      Anyway this is what I believe.

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      Deidre Shelden 5 years ago from Texas, USA

      Jerami, after much study I have come to see that Revelation pulls some of the O.T. prophesies together into a chronology. You may find the last two or three hubs I've posted about this interesting.

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      jerami 5 years ago from Houston tx

      No apology needed.

      This concept is a difficult one to grab onto.

      It took me a decade of hard work before I could accept it.

      Believe it or not I tried to disprove it.

      It is hard to analize anything when we have already made our mind up.

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      Michele Travis 5 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Thank you, now I understand this a little bit more. Please except my apology for criticizing what you wrote.

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      jerami 5 years ago from Houston tx

      First let me say that my comments are concerning what I think scripture actually says. I'm not saying that I understand it all or that I believe it all. It is just what I see when I read it.

      the way I understand it is that ... The new heaven and new earth isn't supposed to come until after the forty two months which the beast is given is finished.

      It isn't finished yet. I believe that 42 months in prophesy is equal to approx. 1645 of our years.

      A quick overview of my thinking? The second coming happened when Jesus said that it would. Probably around 96 AD.

      The sixth seal was opened around 79 AD

      The seventh seal was opened around 149 AD,

      The first trumpet sounded in 538 (?)

      The sixth sounded around 1000 AD

      The seventh hasn't sounded yet

      Those events described in C 20 happened around 900AD

      The first bowl was poured out around 1350 when the boubonic plague killed 1/2 to 2/3 of the population in Europe and Asia.

      Satan was loosed out of the pit around 1890 to 1900. The sixth bowl was poured out with WWI.

      The little season that Satan was given to gather the kings of the earth together will be finished between 2009 and 2019

      Now all of this is just my beliefs. And I really don't think it is going to matter with God if I am right or not, OR if I am right, whether anyone else believes it or not. You are not going to hell for not believing any of this.

      "If" the first recurection did happen around 900AD, from that day forward when a person dies in the lord, they go streight to heaven.(Rev 14:13)

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      Michele Travis 5 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      What about a New Heaven and a New Earth, for the first Heaven and the first Earth had passed away? No more death or dying, crying, or pain. The old order of things has passed away. Rev. 21:1-4

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      jerami 5 years ago from Houston tx

      Hello Michel .. thanks for dropping in.

      This is the problem with Revelation. Unlike the book of Daniel, Gabriel didn't give us the interpretations of these visions. But after we understand the book of Daniel and Gabriels interpretations we have to follow Gabriels example of interpretation. Which we can only do when we DO Not interpret Gabriels interpretations yet again.

      IF we can imagine that Jesus meant exactly what he said exactly as he said it.

      "IF" his second coming did happen exactly as he said that it would? The only conclusion we can arive at is that the church has been teaching this wrong doctrine ever sense 326 AD. The church can be absolutely correct in every other issue except for this one, and for this reason alone; it can be said to be teaching false doctrine. During the first 1000 years of its existense there were many other issues which during the reformation, were determined to be false doctrine.

      After the Catholic Church was established, You had to be a Catholic in order to own a business, land or a home. You had to be Catholic to hold any public office or have any job of prominance. We could say that a person had to be marked as Catholic or suffer prejadist of the highest degree.

      We wouldn't know if the land and sea has given up the dead yet or not. They would have been called up to heavem.

      Concerning the 1260 days that two witnesses are to preach the word of God. This should be seen in the same light as the 42 months that the beast is given to blaspheme.

      As soon as the Beast comes into power the dragon gives it his power and seat. Satan is then bound in the bottomless pit for 1000 years. After he is released out of the pit, the Dragon, the beast and the false prophet are seen in the dried up river Euphrates. Spirits come out of their mouths to gather together the kings of the earth for the Last Battle.

      The 1000 years are contained within the forty two months. ??? How can that be?

      The 1260 days also would have to be a greater length of time than 1000 years.

      Right or wrong (?); to read prophesy with an analitical mindset will paint a different picture than when we don't.

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      Michele Travis 5 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Please excuse me, but there are a number of things in Revelation that have not happened yet, like the name or number of the beast being forced on our hands or forehead. Without this, we cannot buy or sell. Also, the land and the sea has not given up it's dead. Also 1/3 of mankind had not yet died by mounted troops. I think this might mean WW3. There are also going to be two Witnesses who will trample the Holy City for 42 months and prophecy for 42 months. There is a lot more to come.

      Of course there have been many times when the earth has had huge earthquakes. The nation of Israel is still here. It is now, that we are beginning to see things that have been hidden, and there are still a lot of things that are hidden from us. The next war will be the last. Then the beast will come and rule the world. Remember how many leaders are talking about " The New World Order"?

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      jerami 5 years ago from Houston tx

      I was just attempting to analize what is actually written in Matthew 24; showing that these events are being described in similar fashion when the seven seals are being opened.

      Also that there were events in the first century which can be seen to being fulfillment of these particular prophesy.

      While reading ONLY these events as described with the opening of the seven seals, there is no mention of Jesus Christ stepping foot upon the earth.

      The silense in heaven for half of an hour definately sets these prophesy apart from any other prophesy which are to follow.

      There is no place during the opening of these seals that we can even imagine the "Beast" which rises up out of the sea, being part of this story.

      The Beast (Rev. 13) comes along much later after the multitude are seen in heaven after the sixth seal is opened. And much later, after the silence in heaven.

      This story about the events which happen during the time which the seals are opened is an entirely different story in an entirely different time period, than when the trumpets are sounded. And the same is true with the pouring out of the bowls of wrath.

      When we recognize this, we begin to see "many" other things which otherwise would remain hidden.

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      Dave Mathews 5 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

      The rising of the dead will be followed by the rapture of the faithful. Then will follow the "Great Tribulation" of 7 years. At the end of the Great Tribulation Jesus will descend, this will be the second coming. Jesus will draw to himself any who now believe in Him and the remainder will be cast into the lake of fire with the Anti-Christ and the false prophets.

      Satan will be the last one to be finally cast into the lake of fire.