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Not Jesus the Son of God but straight up Jesus the man. If he were only a man, I would still give my life for him.

Updated on November 21, 2013

Careful about that guy preaching

He was standing next to me. I asked him his name. He replied by glowing. And so I replied in kind.
He was standing next to me. I asked him his name. He replied by glowing. And so I replied in kind. | Source

Sometimes we should, back off from the source and just accept the good teaching.

Jesus the man of integrity. So Jesus was the Son of God we say. But Jesus was also a man. Just think about being in his earthly presence.

A man stands and preaches. Oh just another one we say. But do you have any idea what it takes to pronounce personal beliefs to others. Heroes, that is what they are. Of course we have no shortage of them here in hubpages. Christ had no earthly authority, but He spoke loud and proud and did us all right. He just kept preaching, until the crucified him to shut him up.

Today’s gospel reading and therefore the sermon is all about John 60-69. It kind of finishes up on the concept of bread and wine. It is almost depressing as followers leave Christ and go back to the lives they had before. The Christian dogma aspect is pretty heavy. But I write today about a man. Jesus was an extraordinary man.

There are folks that just love to read, Faulkner or Hemmingway or Clancy or Rice or whatever author have you. I can dig it. But my favorite author did not write a word. Others wrote it for him. Probably the same for Plato and Socrates and Buddha.

For both Christians and non Christians Jesus is worth the read. Now for Christians they need to put aside the God concept for while and just read it for content and treasure it. Now for non-Christians they need to put aside the God concept for a while and just read it for content and treasure it.

This guy just rocks

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When it is easy, well it is easy. When it is hard, what do we do?

In the reading today, Jesus just throws down on everybody. Almost intentionally challenging them to follow not just Him but a construct of a difference between body and spirit. He has used gross sounding metaphors and parables. It is as though He is culling or thinning the herd.

You may think this is not all that important, but it is. A man or woman must stand for something or they will fall for anything. Jesus is standing tall and drawing a moral line in the sand. Do we stick by our convictions or do we leave when the going gets tough? Do we hang out for free bread and then desert the place when a commitment is called for?

Jesus makes me uncomfortable here. Too, far too often I have walked away for the safety and security of not rocking the boat. Jesus has me in his crosshairs with a clean shot at my lack of faith in what I believe in. Atheist, Buddhist, Muslim and so many more accept the religious activities as a way of avoiding their own issues. Issues worthy of conquering.

Asian Christians close to us called this little boy "baby buddha"

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The choice is yours

My Love for all people does not get to be hippy dippy peace and love all the time. I have skills and advantage that others, less fortunate do not have. I have a moral social obligation to stand up against what is wrong. Jesus here is not telling us about all the beauty and wonderment in the world, he is telling us of our own myopic vision and our self fulfilling prophecy of failure. He is trying to get us to be introspective and defeat our own shallow material views.

Jesus is a great teacher.

Good is in you. God is Good. You are Good. God is in you!

I am really blessed.

For me it is just a blast getting up in the morning. I have bad days and I think bad thoughts. And I got mean and nasty moods. I do not share them all with my wife, good friends or adult children or old adult siblings.

But I share them with a guy who is kind of dirty by today standards. Pretty much homeless. And does not work but roams around like a vagabond. I am sure he has had a job. I am sure he was raised by loving folk. He sure is smart.

But we just love each other. And I share everything with this guy. Sometimes people make life so complicated but friendship really is not. We share. We trust and we console and advise. And for sure we assure each other that we love each other and are cheering for each other to do well.

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      TSAD 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Very good and salient points you make but there is a danger when you say :

      "Now for Christians they need to put aside the God concept for while and just read it for content and treasure it. Now for non-Christians they need to put aside the God concept for a while and just read it for content and treasure it."

      Doesn't that cheapen the person of Jesus and the gospel of salvation through him who atoned for our sins? You see. what you are proposing is basically what cults do - Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses, Islam and others actually remove the God concept from Jesus and offer us what the Bible would say to be "another Jesus", a good prophet, a good teacher the devil's brother...but not God!

      I think I understand your points and as I say they are not without merit but I also see a grave danger in enabling the introduction of preaching of "another Jesus" to an unbeliever.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      You have a valid concern. I am reminded of Thomas. The guy had been around Jesus for years and saw miracle after miracle first hand. And he listened to Jesus speak. Yet after resurrection he still needed to touch to believe.

      I don't think humanizing the Christ leads to cults. I think cults lead to the undeifying of Christ -- totally different. If we do not humanize him then His passion and crucifixion cheapened.

      But I definately see your point.

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      TSAD 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      I agree totally and my point wasn't that I think humanizing the Christ leads to Cults but that leaving out Christ's deity opens the door to belief in the deception that cults put force. I just find it inadvisable to separate Christ's humanity from his deity for the sake of the real message which is the Gospel of salvation which is lost without God in the equation - so much more important than drawing a moral line in the sand. Morality alone will not get you eternal life.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Cool, thanks for spending the time with me on this subject of such import. A real problem is for good folks who just do not get the call. They live by good Christian values and morals. They act right and they even tythe but they just are not touched by the Holy Spirit. So much of that is true for youth. If we can keep them engaged and not make them feel like they are not a part of, we love them, and they stay. And when it is time the Spirit shows up. Of course this is true for newcomers also.

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      TSAD 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Great hub page - Stimulates discussion - hope more will comment!

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      Theresa Ast 4 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Eric -- Jesus certainly was and is a great teacher...You aren't half bad yourself. :) I really liked how you unpacked this. You do the least "preachy" preaching I think I have ever heard. BTW, that was a compliment. :) Take care.

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      joer4x4 4 years ago from Philadelphia, PA

      Well you know me by now and I'll be the first to debate if JC or the apostles ever existed.

      I don't know if JC is or was a good teacher in actual historic content. But no matter who it was and who wrote that stuff they are good words to live by and the proof is in the millions who believe.

      Feeling uncomfortable is a good thing for if we do not fear it and deal with it it can lead us to the correct path.

      You know Jesus never once forced anyone to follow his path and he showed that at the right time, down right anger can be good.

      It's not the so much the man as it is his actions. Is it any wonder why he has become so addictive. When something works - it works.

      Whoever Jesus was whether real or manufactured all I can say it is pure genius! Amazingly brilliant!

      Nice job!

      Nice job!

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Joer4X4, I was pondering how you and I can come from different viewpoints and appreciate the same thing. And it ocurred to me that it is because we do not see things from our viewpoint, we see them more for what they are than how we want them to be.

      I don't think that a Jesus would kick us out from his teaching based on our current belief. Perhaps maybe He would even spend more time on us if we argued with Him. It is very true that it is not an image view of Jesus that lasts, but rather the concepts attributed to Him.

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      joer4x4 4 years ago from Philadelphia, PA

      When I examine the evidence of doubtful existence, poor verification, and lasting legacy and put them into perspective it becomes obvious the legacy stands out. It's only logical and reasonable. Of the three, legacy is also verifiable.

      One might consider this evidence of legacy a miracle.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I once read an article, by a shrink and he pointed out that mass halucinations were nearly impossible, or impossible. So he referred to the miracles of feeding the masses, as proof as to Christs' existance.

      Obviously the problem there is verifying that He fed the masses. Oops.

      The beauty of the proof for existence is that it comes as a question. Why do so many believe? Does the Legacy prove the original premise?

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      joer4x4 4 years ago from Philadelphia, PA

      Excellent question! Perhaps is does as many legends tend to have some basis in fact. The stories tend change from generation to generation even more so when handed down by word of mouth. Also the original obsevation is sometimes suspect in the details.

      It all comes down to what one percieves to be their truth.

      Then again, to qualify for existence must one live in physical reality to exist?

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I just can't get past that doubting Thomas. Not that he doubted but that Jesus was not offended. Those of us who insist vehemently in the existence and in fact deity of Christ get so frustrated with doubters. The the story of Christ clearly tells us not to. It is what it is.

      On the otherhand I think that people who can only grasp that which they(think) they can prove are only just about 1/2 conscious.

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      joer4x4 4 years ago from Philadelphia, PA

      One of my favorites:

      "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

      From the Gospel of Thomas which was omitted from the New Testament by the Church and the Roman Empire (and with good political reason too!). Very agnostic-ish:)

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I do not think of the Gospels as omitted from the Bible so much as, further reading for those so inspired. Today we have the Internet, everything and anything can be "published". My favorite book, "in the Bible" is Wisdom, of course not in most. I think in this hub I was going for the concept that the words on a page are not them selves sacred. But inspiration that we get from them is.

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      lincolnanderson 4 years ago

      I really enjoyed your article. I like finding gems like this that talk straight and aren't in your face. As a seeker I keep looking and found this website that struck a cord in me, here is a small bit of it... "It is apparent from the lack of words by Jesus in the New Testament that either Jesus didn’t say much during his lifetime, since few words of his are actually recorded in the New Testament, or much of what he did said was censored by the Roman Empire when they wrote the New Testament.

      Here is the link fyi www.thetruejesus.org

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Lincoln, Thank you much for that great quote/link/thought. No matter how you look at it, there is much truth in that sentiment and deep thought. We know He read well and could recite from ancient scripture. What is the mystique of why He did not write?

      (on a funny note) -- Maybe He wrote with disappearing ink! ,, and maybe some of us should take a cue from that.

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      lincolnanderson 4 years ago

      Some of the ancient Mystery Schools only taught orally. Perhaps he studied in a Mystery School. I've heard that Jesus studied in Tibet in his lost years, and the monks kept records of everything! And if the Romans censored stuff it's no wonder we don't have much available to us. What a great real story if we could hear it now, don't you think?

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Friend Licoln, I can feel it. And your comment makes me happy to connect with you. I just figure he hung out in a cave high above and loved the view and learned and taught and everybody just had a blast. Thanks for joining me in a good feeling.

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