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Part 2 Biblical Origin of Chinese People

Updated on September 25, 2012

Part 2-Anyone Interested in Biblical Origin of Chinese People

Recently, I published the first part of the Introduction chapter of my book "Middle Kingdom - Legendary Beginning of China and the Bible" (go to my archive hubs to see the page) to see if Christians in the West have interest in the biblical origin of Chinese people. I got only a handful of comments but there is increasing traffic showing up to this day. I'm encouraged although I hope to see more comments. So I decided to publish the last part of the Introduction chapter here. Please spread the word and write me comment...

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Part 2 ... Excerpt from the Introduction Chapter from the book "Middle Kingdom-Legendarg Beginning of China and the Bible"

... Mankind's first civilization arose in ancient Near East. The Sumerians were the first people to spread civilization to the world. The legendary sages in China could come from people in the ancient Near East.

Up to now archaeologists could only find archaeological evidences of the Shang Dynasty (1766 BC to 1050 BC) in Anyang (Shang palace) and other sites in northeastern China. Thus, the Shang Dynasty marked the beginning point of substantiated Chinese history. However, this doesn't mean the legendary sages, Yellow Emperor, and the Xia Dynasty are fiction. There are ancient Chinese documents made references to their existence. Therefore, Chinese historians included them as legends in the beginning history of China. The truth is the origin of Chinese people is a complicated conundrum.

Chinese historians assumed Mongoloid people were the only type of people occupied China in the beginning.. Therefore, all legendary figures such as Yellow Emperor, the three sovereigns, five sages, and the primitive people in Chinese legends were Mongoloid people. Although Chinese archaeologists discovered ancient human skulls and remains that anatomically pointed to the Mongoloid type of human, how could Chinese historians and archaeologists can be sure that Mongoloid people were the only race occupied in China since the dawn of Chinese history?

Right from the beginning, early Chinese people saw the West was the utopia world where eternal happiness existed. Without any particular religion influenced the mind of the early Chinese people, they mysteriously possessed ideas of a utopia paradise in the west (Garden of Eden), a supreme deity (God) ruling heaven and earth, a heavenly empire (Kingdom of God) in the sky, and obedience to the mandate of heaven (Will of God). How did early people in China invent such profound concepts without any religion? The truth is they didn't.

The above concepts of the early Chinese people suggested that they had a forgotten past in the land of the Bible. I believe some of the other children from the line of Seth and Shem as mentioned in the genealogy in Genesis 5:1-32 and 11:10-26 had reached antediluvian and postdiluvian China. Who else would know these things better than the believers of Yahweh who came from the biblical land?

The other sons and daughters from the line of Seth in 5:1-32 were one of the earliest ancestors of early tribes in the antediluvian China. The early nomads that arrived in China would be small as human population in the antediluvian world of the Bible was concentrated in the Ancient Near East. Unfortunately, the Deluge sent down by God destroyed all mankind, thus, evidences of their existence were all wiped out from the face of China. Thus, this book focuses on the children from the line of Shem to be the sole messengers of Yahweh that had wandered eastward to China and seeded the idea of monotheism there.

After the Deluge, Noah and his three sons: Shem, Japheth and Ham repopulated the world. They became the second wave of migrants and ancestors in the postdiluvian China. Children from the line of Shem were faithful believers of Yahweh. They were the ones who spread the knowledge of God and the stories happened in the early chapters in the Book of Genesis.

The Bible tells us mankind began in the Garden of Eden somewhere in ancient Iraq. From there, mankind dispersed all over the world. As Christian we don't doubt or refute this truth because we believe every word right from the beginning story of the Bible. There is no compromise-period.

To Christians, the origin of mankind is a biblical origin. No amount of scientific and archaeological evidences could change this truth. Christians must either accept the creation of man as is in the Bible or change their religion. This book leans on the truth of the Bible that mankind spread all over the world from the biblical land. Chinese Christians must believe the earliest ancestors of Chinese people came from the biblical land where mankind begun. It is biblical truth which Christians must stop shuffle under the carpet anymore.

I am shocked by some of my Christian friends who believe Darwin's evolution theory that man was evolved from ape. How could they be so confused? Did God create Adam an ape or a man? How could these people still think they're a Christian when they compromised the truth of the Bible?

Influenced by the popularity of Darwin evolution theory, China promotes Chinese people were evolved from the Peking Man (unearthed in Zhoukoudian near Beijing in 1929) dated 500,000-700,000 years ago. Chinese people were told mankind was evolved from ape. However, Chinese archaeologists couldn’t explain which kind of ape did the Chinese evolve from: was it Mongoloid, Caucasian or Negro ape? Had anyone thought why apes in China evolved into Mongoloid Chinese and not Caucasian or Negro?

Darwin ape to man evolution theory is a radical western idea. It is ironic that China has such alacrity to embrace Darwin theory without her normal harsh and belligerent scrutiny of western ideas.

This book explores the obscure footprints left behind by the believers of Yahweh who had migrated to antediluvian and postdiluvian China. They were the other sons and daughters from the line of Seth and Shem mentioned in the genealogy in Genesis 5:1-32 and 11:10-26. They and their descendants were the ones who spread and passed down the stories of Genesis creation, Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden, Satan, the Deluge, Tower of Babel, and the idea of monotheism to the early people in China. This were how early Chinese people possessed the knowledge of a supreme deity called Shang-Ti, the heavenly empire (Heaven), and the mandate of heaven (the Will of God).

The impact of the migrated other children from the line of Seth and Shem to the antediluvian and postdiluvian China had instilled the mind of early Chinese people with the idea of virtue, righteousness, and love for one another. Their spreading of a loving and righteous God had raised the level of moral awareness and social decorum in early Chinese society.

Great figures such as Yellow Emperor was a righteous warrior king and the three renowned emperor Yao, Shun, and Yu were benevolent emperors in the legendary history of China. They possessed extraordinary character of virtue and righteousness. How could they become the paragon of exceptional virtuous men in a still untamed world of barbarism and lawlessness in prehistoric China? Were they born with special noble genes of morality or were they influenced by the children from the line of Shem who spread their faith of a loving and righteous God?

The Bible tells us mankind is originated from ancient Near East. Adam and Eve were the first human couple. Their descendants diverse into three types of races: Negro, Caucasian, and Mongoloid. I believe majority of the Mongoloid people had departed the biblical land and journeyed to the East long before the authors of the Bible could trace them. Mongoloid people dominated East Asia. Due to the long isolation from the rest of the world by mountainous terrains and deserts, their posterity had totally forgotten their biblical origin. This book hopes to reconnect them to the divine heritage of the Bible.

The theory presented in this book is my opinion. This is my personal quest for revelation of the biblical origin of Chinese people. Reader should read this book with an open mind.

After I converted to Christian in 1993, I was extremely curious to know the biblical origin of Chinese people. My urge to find an answer for this question became very personal and very addictive. Since then researching and writing about this topic became my personal mission.

It took me many years to write and rewrite this book. By the time I completed this book, I was exhausted after many years of struggling with long hours of writing, rewriting, research, and finding means to put food on the table. I am grateful to God for sustaining my will to keep me writing.

I pray that this book can arouse the interest of Christians and non-Christians in all over the world to search the Bible as a credible source for the origin of their ancestors where Chinese people also share the divine heritage of the Bible.

This book will not prove the migrated children from the line of Seth and Shem had reached early China by scientific or archaeological evidences. The author will let the reader determines if he or she agrees with the things said in this book. Agreement or disagreement is not important; what is importance is that we Christians must have an open and tolerant mind.

Even though this book is completed, however, my research for more evidences in this subject continues. I welcome readers to contact me by email: kenkwok@telus.net if you wish to share your thought in this subject with me. I hope you enjoy reading this book as much as I enjoy writing it.

If you're interested to read the entire book, you can order the ebook version for only US$10. Just email your order with your full name to kenkwok@telus.net I'll send you instruction to pay via PayPal and as soon as I received payment, I'll email the ebook to you directly from me. Thank you for supporting my research in this topic!!!!

Here is the TABLE OF CONTENTS:

INTRODUCTION . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 5

Chapter 1 Biblical Migration . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10

Chapter 2 Ancient Messengers of Yahweh in China . 14

Chapter 3 The East. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18

Chapter 4 The First Chinese People . . . . . . . . . . . . 22

Chapter 5 Son of Heaven . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30

Chapter 6 The Vanished Mongoloid Race. . . . . . . . . 36

Chapter 7 Tower of Babel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42

Chapter 8 Primitive Chinese People. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 46

Chapter 9 Sages . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..50

Chapter 10 Shang-Ti. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .56

Chapter 11 Virtuous Emperors. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60

Chapter 12 The Migrated Sons and Daughters of
Shem in China .. 64

Chapter 13 The Migrated Sons and Daughters of
Ham in China.. 70

Chapter 14 The Migrated Sons and Daughters of
Japheth in China.. 77

Chapter 15 Chinese Characters. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .80

Epilogue . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . 83

Suggested Timeline . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 86

Suggested Reading & Reference . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 87

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      Hung Yew Heng 7 years ago

      Thanks for the article. I'm interested too in the Biblical origin of Chinese. Could he be Joktan?(eastern Hebrew) One of the 2 sons of Eber, the other being Phleg(Western Hebrew) Since there a lot of similarities between Jews and Chinese

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      Kenny K 7 years ago from Canada

      Hi Hung Yew Heng, I came across Joktan was sighted as the founder of the Chou people. I don't know about Phieg. Can you tell me more. There're a lot similarities between Jews and Chinese. In my research one area stands out that puzzles me-Most Chinese people don't drink milk (traditionally). The Jews drink milk and honey. May be this tradition was lost after they settled in ancient China. What do you think? Keep in touch will you by email if you wish to share more ideas about this.... Blessing to you!

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      david morris 7 years ago

      Uriah the husband of Bethsheba, she who seduced King David , was a Hittite. Egyptian's described Hittites as having yellow skin, black hair, and receeding foreheads and chins. Pictures of them are chinese looking.

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      david morris 7 years ago

      Was the Garden of Eden situated in the area of Mount Ararat? I don't think so. To supose the ark floated on the flood subject to storms and violent currents then came down from where it left? This idea begers belief. The original Garden of Eden could have been anywhere on the planet. The earth was divided in the days of Peleg, moving from a "large island" to its present configeration in the space of about 120 yrs. Indeed if we are to believe the Bible the motion would be so fast as to be observable.

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      Kenny K 7 years ago from Canada

      Thanks David for your comment. The Hittite empire, once a thriving civilization, mysteriously vanished. Could some of them moved to ancient China? Many East Asian and Chinese looking faces can be seen on the murals painted on the walls of the pyramids. Obviously, a multi-ethnic world existed in ancient Egypt. The origin of Chinese people in China must happen since the days of Adam where he had unknown number of other sons and daughters not listed in the Bible. And Adam had a long 900+ lifespan.

      Your idea that the violent flood could have pushed the Ark out of the biblical landscape is interesting. However, if the Ark is not within the region of Mount Ararat, the rest of the story of Noah and his sons restarting their lives and repopulating Earth in ancient Iraq would be untrue. If the Ark was pushed to a remote place far away from the biblical land, how did Noah and his sons traveled back to their homeland? If the Bible is untrue, then there is no need to believe anything. Because Noah's story is within the region of Mt. Ararat, the Ark would be somewhere near. What do you think?

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      Ed 7 years ago

      Kenny,

      I appreciate your work. I have the impression that Chinese are descendants of Ham from the Shinites. As the word China originally Persian (Cina or Sina). Even now Chinese people are still referred as Sina/Sino/Tsino as in Sino-Japanese war during WW II.

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      Kenny K 7 years ago from Canada

      Hi Ed, the name "Ham" pronounces close to "Han" which is the clan name of the supposed pure Chinese race. Han people comprises over 90% population in China. I believe the name Ham had been destorted to Han after the Tower of Babel where thousands of new languages appeared. One of the sones of Ham formed a tribe called Sinite. They were suspected to be ancestors of the Chinese, thus, the prefix "Sin" orginated. The Sinites worshipped the moon like ancient Chinese. The Chinese continues to celebrate the moon festival in September every year. In the Book of Isaiah, a place mentioned called Sinim was suspected to be referred to ancient China. The Shinites could be descendants of the Sinites who migrated to the Persian Gulf. Thanks for your comment!!!

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      Ed 7 years ago

      I did find the following notes from a site in regards to Sinites:

      (44) Shinite

      The name of this people is still to be found today in the cities of Nahr as-Sinn and Sinn addarb, which are both in close proximity to Arqa (see 43). The Phoenicians (see 37) knew the Sinites as the Usnu; the Assyrians called them the Usana and Siannu; and the Ugaritic tablets refer to them as the 'sn' (see Map 4).

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      Kenny K 7 years ago from Canada

      Hi Ed, thanks for the website. Here is an interesting site about Sinite: http://creationwiki.org/Sinites

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      Stephen M 7 years ago

      Kenny you are most on to what I want to know. I will be teaching two Asian Business courses this fall and have been researching the origin of the Chinese people suspecting that they were from the bloodline from Shem.

      First of all the book "The Discovery of Genesis" which reveals inside many chinese characters are found wisdom and knowledge that only Enosh or Enoch was given and passed to Noah and then to his sons. Another book that you might have already read is "Finding God in Ancient China" does a wonderful job of walking through the worship of Shangdi and the fact the Kung Tzu wrote five books just like Moses and it gives interesting parallels between the two.

      It has a chapter on the Temple of Heaven and the origins of this worship. All of this is fascinating. And if you read the book of Jasher for example and get the inside story of Abraham you find that both Noah and Shem taught Abraham for fifty years before he returned to UR and smashed his fathers idols.

      If in fact Shenjou or the "Land of the Spirit" which was one of the names for China before the warring states period during Kung Tzu later years comes from this transmission of knowledge, then even in the character LIng which has three persons under the rain or grace of heaven and then repeats three persons where the center one touches both earth and heaven with the gung or work character, well, all of this overwhelms me.

      I am not Chinese, my blood comes from the marriage of the princes of the Northern Kingdom and daughters of the Southern Kingdom of the split Israel that came back together in Ireland in the mid 500's BC.

      So I will purchase your book today, and thank you for all your study ahead of time, I am sure I will enjoy it.

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      Kenny K 7 years ago from Canada

      Hi Stephen, sorry to respond to you late as I was out of town. I read "The Discovery of Genesis" and commented it in the last chapter of my book. I haven't read "Finding God in Ancient China" but definitely will include in my research materials for my second book on the biblical origin of the Chinese people.

      I've no doubt the origin of Chinese was from Shem, although I might add descendants of Cain and Japheth also settled in ancient China. However, the worship of Shang-Ti (or Shang-Di), was definitely the belief passed down from descendants of Shem who became the Shang people. There's no way early Shang Chinese people could invent monothiesm-NO WAY!

      The origin of Chinese people is a mystery. I would like to keep in touch with those who are interested in this subject. Feel free to email me: kenkwok@telus.net if there is anything I can help you in your preparation for your Asian courses on this topic. God Bless!

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      J. Li 7 years ago

      Hi Ed,

      The Chinese royal court of Han Dynasty officially named Roman Empire as Great China, since the Chinese believed that the Roman Empire might be just as civilized as China.

      Of course Chinese don't call themselves as Chinese except in Chin (Qin) Dynasty.

      When the Chinese are not among any minority, they call themselves the people of Han. Han is a great Chinese dynasty after Chin (Qin) dynasty. Han Dynasty is after the previous office title of the founding Emperor.

      The Chinese don't call China Town as China Town but Street of Tang people.

      While, Sinite has nothing to do with Chinese. Sinite is a good title for Ed's own nation. LOL. Don't leave any evil things to others and keep good things for yourself...this is what I want to say to all fable makers to identify themselves to be good people and others bad people..., but get rid of your own Sinite in your heart.

      May Yah bless you.

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      Kenny K 7 years ago from Canada

      Hi J. Li, interesting comment you have there. The Han people called the Roman Empire "Great Qin" not "Great China". Han Dynasty came after Qin. The Han people saw Qin Dynasty the mightest empire of China before them. During the Han Dynasty, a number of Han emperors sent his generals to fight their arch enemy, Hsing-nung (Barbarians). The Chinese army pushed the Hsing-nungs further west beyond western Chinese border. The pursing Chinese army went afar to Asia Minor. There their scouts discovered the outposts of the Romans and learnt the Romans built a great empire much like the Qin, henced the Roman Empire was named the Great Qin.

      The name Qin is said to be derived from Sin who was the moon god of the Sinites, henced Sin became Qin, Chin, Ch'ang... The Bible records the story of the Tower of Babel where God divided mankind by language into thousands of races each spoke their own tongue. The distortion of pronounciation of names from Sin to Qin to Chin started then. The Sinites and the Hittites were suspected to be ancestors of the Chinese people. We can't prove it nor disprove it yet, so we need to be open mind and respectful of other opinion about this topic. God Bless!

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      J. Li 7 years ago

      Ed,

      Therefore, Han Chinese have nothing to do with either Ham or Sinite. If you ask a Jew who knows Hebrew, What Sinim is in Hebrew for today, he would tell you, Sinim is China; but if you ask about who is Sinite today, he would tell you, he doesn't know, or Sinite no longer exist.

      The bottome for a truth believer is, don't make any guess work, without two or three Biblical or historical evidences.

      HalleluYah!

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      J. Li 7 years ago

      Hi Kenny,

      Qin has nothing to do with Sinite (and Sinim has nothing to do with Sinites), but a state name among other Chinese states (Qin, Zhao, Han, Shu, Yan, Qi, Ru, Chu... Qin is just an office title for the founding king Ying of that state, and has nothing do with moon.

      And China has nothing to do with Hamites. The Han Chinese are either Japhethites (genetically) or Shemites (geometrically).

      Ham went to South (only Hitties later on moved north, and might mix with Europeans). Shem remained in the Middle. Japheth went north and were enlarged.

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      Kenny K 7 years ago from Canada

      Thanks J Li for the insight. No matter where the Chinese people came from, they've a biblical origin and that's most important. Good job J!

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      J. Li 7 years ago

      Kenny,

      As I said, Qin was an office title for the king (whose surname) is Ying of that state....this Qin title has nothing to do with the king or his people, but given by the King of Zhou Dynasty.

      Qin was not among the Table of nations...bu Sinim was a later unknown name which is possible for Qin because at the time of Isaiah Qin state existed already.

      Yes, Chinese are of Yahweh but not known to the Bible writers. The Hebrew Bible just records the world that Israelites knew about. China was too far away..has nothing to do with their history. And Chinese have a complete different language systems...cannot be identified by "sounds".

      For example, Han Dynasty, Han State, Han for Ham, Han for yelling, Han for coldness, Han for drying, Han for Abraham, Han for John (Youhan), Han for letter, Han for strong, Han for defend, Han for function, Han for welding, Han for snorting? Han for sweet? Han for honest/humble....all are Han, but no one is the same Han as other HanS.

      If we don't have Biblical evidences, or true historical records/facts, we'd better keep silent.

      Or, I can show you that the first King of Zhou Dynasty is Joseph because the King is called Ji, and Zhou sounds like Jew.

      Or I can show that Chinese emperors must be of the tribe of Dan...because they all have the totem Dragon like serpents are the totem of Dan.

      LOL.

      But thank you very much for the effort to the Chinese....but for Chinese, don't identify any "cursed" people with the Chinese.

      Truth or fact only. All the reasoning has to be very logic...with reliable evidences or facts.

      Yah bless you.

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      Kenny K 7 years ago from Canada

      Thanks Li. My book identified the ancestor of the Chinese people came from the descendants of Shem. They were the Shang people who worshipped Shang-Ti, the Lord on High. However, they were not the only ones who had wandered to ancient China. The Hamites and the Japhethites had settled there too. We all know China is composed of 56 ethnic groups with 93% of the populaton are Han people. I understand you don't like people to related Chinese people to the cursed line of Ham. I respect your opinion. I hope you do not hold any negative feeling against any race as God loves all races descended from Adam and Eve. I really respect your love for Chinese heritage from Shem and Japheth as I do. God Bless!

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      J. Li 7 years ago

      Hi david morris,

      It is David who seduced Bathsheba and killed righteous Hittie, the hushand of Bathsheba. The Hittites in Canaan, like other Canannites in Canaan were assimulated by Israelites. And more than half of genes of Israelites are of Hamites (Egyptians) or Canaanites.

      Of Hittites appearance like Chinese, well, many Eyptian kings look like Chinese.

      http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=630797549

      Some Chinese researchers believe that Egypt after all was a part of Chinese empire as China, the Middle Kingdom, was the center of Civilized and beautiful people...all civilied countries must have the Chinese ordained kings over them. LOL.

      Well, Aryan Power! Hittites were white people with big noses and spoke indo-europ languages, and wrote cuneiforms on clays, while the Chinese wrote on the bones of tortoises and bamboos and then papers.

      However, Hebrews were not Aryan (indo europ) people because they were Shemites and in the Middle as like China as the Middle Kingdom. They like Chinese are colored people, but not blacks nor white...they were black haired, olive skinned, brown or black eyes, ...see it is why Shem is called "Yellow" because they are in the Middle, and Ham is called "Black" as they are in South, and Japheth is called "White" as they are in the North.

      Look at the map of the world, see if the China is in the Middle as Israel is. But Egypt is in the South...but they were have lightest skins among Hamites...but still darker than pure Shemites.

      Yes, geometrically, the Chinese are Shemites, but genetically the Chinese are more Japhethites (O). The least the Chinese has to do is Hamites though among the Chinese are a few sea people, whose Y DNA is C.

      LOL.

      As a matter of facts, being blacks or yellows or whites has nothing to do with Ham's or Shem's or Japheth's blood lines...but depend on the migration of their ancesters.

      For example, when Canaanites migrated to Britain, they become white people like Japhethites.

      May Yah bless you.

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      J. Li 7 years ago

      Kenny,

      I condemn all kind of Christian identity things and racism...Ham was not cursed, and the curse of Canaan only lasted at best 3-4 generations.

      Abraham might be a pure Shemite till the twelve sons of Jacob. All 12 sons of Israel married Canaanite wives or and Joseph married an Egptian...See, at least of half Israelites blood is of Ham...Abraham took Egyptian Hagar, and Moses married an Cushite woman approved by YHWH...the Queen of Sheba was Cushite...and Bathsheba might be also a Cushite...see that her Hittite hushand was quite righteous so that David had to kill him. See how many strang women Solomon married...

      So the royal bloodline of Israel was more gentile hamite than Hebrew.

      Physical Israelites are more Shemites and Hamites than Japhehite (Aryan people).

      Aryan Power! They are the starter of all kinds of racism. OK, Aryan Power to hell! That is what has happened after Roman Empire took over...and UK power, and US power....a Chrisian nation power of the Beast. They are plunders, thieves, robbers, liars...do all evil things in the name of God or Jesus and claim that WE ARE ISRAEL, so Americas are ours, Australia ours, New Zealand ours, Africa ours, Asia ours,,,,and you are all but cursed Hamites and Canannites. That is why we Chinese don't believe their pagan gods. Their gods are evil!

      The Chinese need Yahweh the Mighty one of IsraEl, who are not a respector of persons---outer appearances.

      Do you know what I mean? The Chinese don't need fables, nor foreign missionaries, nor Bananas to preach lies to the Chinese. The Chinese heart is RED, and We red Chinese don't need gods of white heart, but Yahweh and Yeshua the Messiah.

      And if you don't have a Chinese heart, you cannot do any good to the Chinese, but a prideful man and assume a master over we poor oppressed Chinese. We Chinese have been persecuted by Christians of Ayran power for more than 150 years. If they don't save themselves, how can they help save the Chinese? We atheists know more righteous things than them theists who lust for money god, and variious idols, and self worshippers.

      Heh...actually what I wrote is not for you, but for whoever is self-centered, claims all "good" to themselves and give all "bad" to others they hate. Yes, if you love less, it is a hate crime...double standard, and a sinner against the comamnd that love your neighbors or strangers like yourself.

      Yeshua came to make things upside down...Canaan was cursed to be servant of servants? Yeshua serves His servants! Hate and descrimate your enemies? Yeshua commands to love your enemy. Aryan power by swords to conquer the whole world and plunder their resources? Yeshua just uses his Sword out of his mouth...and teaches that whoever kills using swords and shall be killed by sword. Capitalism? Yeshua is a true communist and so are His true followers. Yeshua teaches to forsake all things and carry your OWN cross to follow him even to death.

      OK. Sorry for the harsh words but not for you.

      Yah bless and He is rich with mercy!

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      Kenny K 7 years ago from Canada

      Wow! I don't know what to say, Li. I believe Christians, whatever the color of their skin, should be loving and forgiving. Yeshua loves all races. Let bygone be bygone. Pray for the future. Pray for every Christian to practice Yeshua's love and forgivness. If we condemn other we're doing the same thing as other who do evil to others.

      Chinese people have a big heart, not just for Chinese people, but also for the rest of mankind. Let Yeshua be the judge. He rewards the righteous and condemns the wicked. I praise your Chinese pride but let Yeshua be the judge. If you love Yeshua, help Him extends His love for all races. In Yeshua's eyes, there is only one race-The Human Race. God Bless!

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      Ray 6 years ago

      Hey, just a few comments. I don't believe Eden was in Iraq. Eden had 4 rivers emanating from one source. One of those was named Euphrates. I believe our modern Euphrates was named after the one in Eden by the builders of Babel/Babylon who were attempting to create a new Eden. I believe the Flood destroyed all remnants of Eden and reworked the surface of the Earth. Noah's ship landed in the mountains of Ararat(Urartu)but I doubt it was the "Mt Ararat" we have today since this is volcanic and likely erupted after the Flood.

      I am looking at the various theories for the origin of East Asian peoples. Predictably, there is a theory for Ham, Shem, and Japheth. What other choices would there be? The idea that they are from Ham and the Hittites or the Sinites seems to lack any Biblical weight and is based on tenuous linguistic "connections". Likewise, the only connection to Japheth is the vague notion that he was expanded. But Genesis denotes the areas of his expansion, most of which are recognizable. The only large family mentioned in Genesis associated with anything to the East is the family of Joktan.

      The families of man are said to have coexisted for some time in Shinar. After the dispersion of Babel, they went to the territories listed for them in Genesis 10. The first civilization is supposedly in Sumeria, and I keep running into connections between it and East Asia. They are language (Korean) and physical descriptions of the Sumerians. After Babel, the family of Joktan may have headed East. If Mesha is Mashhad in Iran, then their area of occupation would start there and follow the silk road east through a mountainous region to settle on the rivers of China and start civilizations there. The family of Joktan is the largest one listed in Genesis and they are virtually absent after Babel, likely isolated geographically after that time. So I think the most biblical weight so far goes to East Asians as being mainly of the family of Joktan.

      Christ has redeemed us all from the curse of Adam and any other curses(like Canaan)when we follow Him. If we don't we are all under Adam's curse, and with that what other curse or blessing matters? Rahab the Canaanite ended up in the lineage of Jesus, and I bet He had no problem with his great great....grandmother. God loves variety so He made us all slightly different aspects of His image. Our differences only help illustrate the beauty and complexity of our Creator. :)

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Ray, thanks for the insight. There're several theories on the location of Eden and Noah's Ark. No matter where we think they are, both locations have to be within the region in the biblical land. If they're somewhere else remote, the stories in the Bible would be untrue. Adam and Eve restarted their new life in the East outside of Eden. According to the Bible Cain was the founder of civilization. The earliest cradle of civilization emerged in Mesopotamia (ancient Iraq). So Eden would have to be near ancient Iraq.

      Noah and his sons and wives returned to Mesopotamia after the Deluge. The Ark had to land on a mountain that would allow them to travel in reasonable distance back to their homeland. If the Ark landed in a far distance place, their re-emergence in Ancient Near East would be impossible.

      The Hamites, Hittites, and Sinites are some of the people assumed to be ancestors of East Asians by most Bible scholars. Western bible scholars tended to discriminate non-caucasian and non-white people to be desecendants of the line of Ham. It is pure racial profiling with no substantiate evidences. Unfortunately, this theory has been entrenched in many western Christian minds. My book supports the notion that Chinese ancestors came from all three lines of Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Ancient China was a multi-ethnic world and ancient Chinese believed China was the center of civilization, thus they called China "Middle Kingdom", the centre of the world.

      The origin of Chinese people is complicated and shrouded by legends. My book hopes to reconnect the Chinese people with their forgotton heritage of the Bible.

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      Ray 6 years ago

      Kenny, the landing site of the Ark has to be in the Biblical area, but Eden does not have to be in the area. Nothing in the Bible requires Eden to be in a location that is anywhere near the Middle East. Eden and the continent that supported it would have been destroyed by the Flood. The original created land mass would have been broken up and the continental fragments would slide around during the Flood. The references to Eden's geography have no link to the geography after the Flood. (I'm not sure you are understanding my points.)

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Great point Ray! However, one would think God must refer pre-flood Eden to be in the Ancient Near East where mankind emerged for the integrity of the Genesis story. If Eden was somewhere remote how do you explain Adam and Eve ended up in Mesoptamia?

      I agree Eden could have been broken up and swept away or under to distant place by the flood or could have been totally destroyed.

      The references to Eden by the four rivers could be references to ancient rivers different from the ones later in history. However, whereever Eden might be prior to the flood, God would refer it somewhere in Ancient Near East 'cause Eden is the center piece in the creation story of man.

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      Ray 6 years ago

      Kenny, what scripture shows Adam and Eve living in Mesopotamia? Mesopotamia's geology and geography would not exist until after the Flood. All living peoples descended from Noah's family. Civilization would begin after the Flood in the plain of Shinar. All traces of the pre-flood civilizations would have been destroyed by the tectonic-hydrological upheaval of the Flood. The first civilization after the Flood would definitely be in Mesopotamia, but there is no scripture that ties Adam and Eve to Mesopotamia.

      This is similar to mistaking Cambridge Mass for Cambridge England. Sons of Noah would naturally name new settlements and rivers after places that existed before the Flood of which they were reminded. This could be done in part to legitimize the construction of Babel and tie it spiritually to "restoring Eden". This is why no one can find Eden, and why there is no place where one river becomes 4 including the Euphrates. Rivers and places in Post-Flood Mesopotamia may have a few of the same names carried over from Eden, but the geography is all wrong. Don't look for the Queen's palace in New London Conn.

      It is likely to me that Joktan's family made up a large part of the Sumerian population. After the domination of Nimrod and Babel, they likely got as far away as possible. They likely had a large population since they started out as the largest Genesis family. The core of the population likely headed for the silk trail, with a branch flowing north and East and another branch flowing south and East along the coast. The northeast flow may have been accompanied by and blended somewhat with Japhetic groups while the southern coastal flow was accompanied by and blended with Hamitic groups. But I think it likely that the core of Joktan's family migrated Eastward through the mountains and became the founders of East Asian civilization.

      It is easy to identify Japhetic groups in Europe and Hamitic groups in Africa. The most blended groups should be in the Middle East, where the groups would originate and have the most intersection. The idea that East Asians are a complete blend of Shem, Ham, and Japheth really ignores their isolated geography. If isolated East Asia is a complete blend, then the less isolated peoples of Japheth and Ham should be more blended and difficult to distinguish. Therefore I think the weight of the matter continues to favor the expanded family of Joktan being the main source for the East Asian peoples.

      Thanks for the good conversation!

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Ray, you're a great scholar and thinker! I agree prior to the Fall of Adam and Eve, the Bible didn't mention the exact location where Eden was. It could be in Africa, Asia, Australia, or the super continent that existed long ago? You assumed the descendants of Noah were telling the stories from memories that happened eleswehere that were destroyed after the flood. But Noah lived 600 years before the flood. Where would he be living 600 years? If he lived in a remote place and not in Mesopotamia, he would remember it and would tell his children and their children he came from a distant land. Based on that we could assume Noah and his families had lived in Mesopotamia where the cradle and center of civilization had begun. Also, you would expect the descendants from the line of Adam and Eve to pass down the knowledge of their distant home if they were not originated from Mesopotamia, the land of the Bible.

      About the Chinese people in China. We can only see mainly Chinese and Asiatic faces who're typical East Asians. Do you know there're 56 ethnic groups composed of the population of China? Many ethnic groups were non-Chinese but they look like Chinese. Because over thousands of years their ancestors had mixed and blended with the dominant tribe, the Han people, who are the major tribe in ancient and modern China. China had been ruled by the Mongols (mixed of East Asians and Caucasians) and the Manchurians (also some mixed of East Asians and Caucasians). Both conqueror people had been blended into Chinese looking people. Imagine if all of Europe is ruled by a single people, all Europeans would look the same but beneath their skin, they carried separate DNAs passed down from their ancestors. Thus, all Europe is blended by diversified people. It could happen in the dawn of China where diversified tribes mixed with each other by force and by cultural contact.

      Ray, thank you for your great insight!

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      Ray 6 years ago

      Thank you Kenny. The points we seem to have issues on are minor. I agree that the East Asian peoples have a Biblical origin. They descended from Adam and then (I believe) from one or more families on the ark: Shem, Ham, or Japheth. They have a Biblical inheritance through Christ. And they have a Biblical future: with Christ; also in Revelation a million man army comes from the East to fight at Armageddon. I would like to get a copy of your book to see the connections from legend as well.

      We differ in a few of the points surrounding Noah. And obviously I think Joktan is the most likely forefather of the earliest peoples of East Asia. I think the Bible focuses on the Peleg branch of the family (Joktan’s brother) because Christ was sent through that branch. Joktan’s family is not mentioned after Genesis probably due to their distant migration and relative isolation.

      I think the earliest emperors may have been rulers in Sumeria before the babel dispersion and even patriarchs traced back towards Adam before the Flood. But I believe the Flood was worldwide in scope and so any peoples living today would have migrated as one or more groups originating in and around Babel. I have some more comments I will send in an e-mail. Thanks again! How can we order the book?

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      J. Li 6 years ago

      Kenny K.,

      You fall into a Chinese hating trap again. All 56 ethnic group of China are TRUE CHINESE. WOE to him that sows the seed of discord to say that 55 ethnic groups of Chinese are NOT Chinese! The Chinese hating western people don't know the Chinese NEVER call themselves as Chinese. We are the people of the Middle Kingdom! The Chinese definition of China is the Middle Kingdom, not QIN. Chinese are NOT Hans. Chinese are ALL 56 ethnic group people. Tibetans are true Chinese if they are not foreign citizens. Dalai Lama is an Indian employee paid by the US government. He is not a Chinese. Han people never call themselves Qin people, but HUA XIA people - a civilized people in beautiful cloth and but call the Roman Empire great Qin.

      BTW, I was wrong about Qin name. Actually two people got clan name Qin. One was of Ying clan...the first person got Qin name among Ying family got Qin for his clan name after the valley of Qin in Shaanxi province because he was born there.

      The first person who got Qin name is among the royal Ji family...he got clan name Qin after the town of Qin in the Central lands (Henan Province) because he was born there.

      The literal meaning of Qin is spring+crops. Therefore, it is NOT the biblical Sin which means clay or thorns.

      My point is, NEVER use "sounds" of a language to match the "sounds" of another language of a complete different system. You see, Chinese Dan is complete different from the tribe of Dan...if it is to be matched by sounds, I can prove that all people in the world just people of EGGS, the Tribe of Dan...because EGGS in Chinese are called DAN. LOL!

      Western and northern and southern neigbors of China call China because of Qin Kingdom, NOT because Qin is biblical Sin. Modern Israelis call China as Sin not because China is bibilical Sin but because western world call China as China. This is a simple logic -- but religious people become foolish when they base their faith on fables. Russia calls China Cathay not because of China, but they messed up of the Khitan Kingdom with China. Khitan Kingdom or Liao Kingdom was later totally destoried by Mongols. See that Han people messed up all the world west to China as Roman Empire and Tang people call Christianity of the Church of East as the Enlighting Teachings of Great Qin (Rome).

      Blessings!

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      J. Li 6 years ago

      Hi Ray,

      I mostly agree with you. The Chinese and rest of eastern Asians are a quite pure people with some input from Caucasians and Negros. Some racist scholars try to convince people to believe that eastern Asians are just a mixture of Caucausians and Negros..but the reality is, the Chinese generally hate to mingle with different people. No matter how Caucausians and Negros mingle, they cannot produce an eastern Asian. Eastern Asians are quite different from native Americans...only a few look like us. The classification of the races is purely artificial, not only over simplified, but also very subjective. For example, the skin colors are quite indepentent from other physical features. The Middle East Caucasians are basically colored people...they are yellowish to brownish. They look quite different from Europeans and central Asians. Western European Caucasians look quite different from central Asian Caucasians. Eastern Indians are generally NOT white people, and they are dark brownish with different Caucasian features from Europeans.

      The Eastern Asians are white in the north and brownish in the South. Southeastern Asians may look quite different from Eastern Asians...their native people are a different people.

      Genetically, most Chinese are Japhehitc but we are castout by Caucasian Japhetic people, while Chinese Hmongs are definitely Japhehitic according to their oral traditions. Hmongs and Hans share the same Y-DNA O.

      Geographically, Chinese are shemites who generally migrated easternward, because shemites are in the Middle (yellow/brown people)...the South are Hamites (brown/black people), and the North are Japhehites (brownish/white people)...

      Culturally, Chinese are oriental ones...much similar to Hebrews. SHEM is very important to the traditional Chinese. Like Isralites, the Chinese greatly honor their ancesters, and like Isralites, the CHinese fall into ancester worshipping...but forget that the true and most ancient Chinese ancester is the God of SHEM. Like Israelites who call the Name of GOD as the SHEM, the Chinese call God SHEM, call the Land of China as the Land of SHEM, call the spaceships of China as the spaceships of SHEM. (Of course, Chinese don't have the sound ending with M, so SHEN = SHEM. The Europeans translators of Chinese Bible translite SHEM into SHAN to distinguish from SHEN for God.) Like Israelites and other shemites, the traditional Chinese have many wives. Women's virginity is more important than their lives.

      Religiously, like Isralites, the Chinese worship one true GOD, many gods, and idols too. But the Chinese don't worship Baal. The Chinese don't have the ideas of sun gods or moon gods as a belief...but with some fiction stories about Sun and Moon. The Chinese moon festivals don't observe moon as moon god, but a festival for family gathering all over the world to obseve the moon. The ancient Chinese took moon as a place..there was fiction stories of Jade Emperor's Palace on the Moon. The traditional Chinese believe that if anyone does evil, he would be punished by the great old Father of Heaven, especially by the striking of the thunders. If a generally hated evil person dies of some reasons, he is said to have been punished by Heaven. From Zhou Dynasty, all emporers or Kings of China have the idea of the Will of Heaven. If they govern righteously according to the will of Heaven, their dynasty would last long, and if they became evil, another family would take the power and do the will of Heaven. (Mongol Yuan Dynasty was most hated dynasty...so it lasted only about 70 years and their kingdom was almost destroyed...now most Mongolians are Chinese and the Republic of China (Taiwan) still claims the outer Mongolia as part of China in their Map).

      All Chinese evils are possessed also by Isralites and Hamites and Japhehites...but the Chinese basically don't share anything with Cananites who are brownish Caucasians, the Baal worshippers, sexually perverting, seafaring, traders....the Chinese generally look down traders because they are generally cunning and dishonest and dishonored.

      The last...the Chinese honors their faces more than their belly. Just look at the 2008 Beijing Olympic, the Chinese people are very pleased that the Chinese government spent a lot and a lot of money to show off the world of their culture...see how many medals they earned....the honor is more important than their face...sometimes more important than their life.

      The Chinese need a great leader like Yeshua the Messiah. And the Chinese prophesy says a great Saint shall rule one and peaceful world.

      Blessings.

      Jing

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      J. Li 6 years ago

      I meant their honor/face is more important than their belly.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Li, thanks for all your comment. Whatever your opinion about Chinese people, be respectful to other opinion. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. I'm sure you want people to respect your opinion, so repsect other too. I can see you're a devoted Yeshua follower. He teaches you to be a peaceful person, doesn't He? Yeshua has a forgiving heart, so must you. Holding hate against other peopl is not in the benefit of shining the love of Yeahua through you. This hubpage is open to all for their comment but I want everyone to respect other and not to promote hate. I respect your comment but your continual attack on other people against the Chinese is inappropriate here. Can you show me the love of Yeshua as a peaceful and respectful person? By the way, I'm not a banana.

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      Jona chua 6 years ago

      No, Han Chinese isn't traced back to Shem but true to Japheth x Ham!

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Jona. thanks for your comment. Can you elaborate Japheth x Ham as ancestor of Han Chinese?

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      Jona chua 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny k

      i think the haplogroup map made by scientists without realized of truth in the bible. Poor thing many scientists always think of people were came from the origin of Africa. I helped to divide into 3 group= 3 sons of Noah=

      Ham’s group are Haploroup (Hg)-A, B, C, D, E & F

      Shem = Hg-G, H, I & J

      Japheth= Hg-K, L, M, N, O, P,Q & R

      Hope you study the haplogroup map with care -http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroups...

      You can read the Miao people’s myth story you find out Miao people’s patriarch: Japheth. Read care-

      http://www.icr.org/article/genesis-according-miao-...

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      Jona chua 6 years ago

      You'll notice the Gensis 9:27 is proved as in the haplogroup map! All thank to scientists for map but they never check into the bible's Gensis!!!

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Jona, thanks for your information. I've researched about haplogroups and mtDNA which are genetic markings primary used for tracing hereditary mutation. Interest to know how you divided the 3 haplogroups under the 3 sons of Noah? Base on what?

      During my research for my book, I came across a book about a people called Hmong or Mong. They're one branch of the Maio people. Their ancestors in China had a long struggle with the Chinese until they moved south and to the mountainous region. It was reported that they carry stories of creation much like the Bible. Later in the book, those stories were found to be stories passed to them by missionaries. I'm interested in learning more about the Maio people.

      Re Geneis 9:27, this is blessing to Japheth. I'm interested to know how you related this blessing to the Chinese under Japheth.

      Good theory nonetheless!

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      Jona chua 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny,

      First thing you have to know – I’m hearing impaired. For 3 groups I learnt from other website that’s why I wrote down 3 groups in my note. I saved the many website address in my broken PC last month. I can’t recall searching the website via yahoo.com in my new laptop.

      For the blessing to Japheth, Genesis 9: 27 see compare in NIV and KJV.

      27 May God extend the territory of Japheth [c] ;

      may Japheth live in the tents of Shem,

      and may Canaan be his [d] slave."

      -New International Version bible

      27God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

      -KJV, King James Version

      Enlarge Japheth I felt logical: largest population of Japheth but for territory and tent of Shem I found the Haplogroups map very clearly – Europe and the tent of Shem: Asia, South East Asia, Far East Asia and whole America.

      At all I commented.

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      Jona chua 6 years ago

      Read about Han Chinese under Japheth- http://creationwiki.org/Japheth

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Jona, thanks for your information. You've a point but I'm not entirely sold. This is great exchange of ideas! God Bless!

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      D.C. 6 years ago

      God blessed Shem .Joktan went east. Peleg migrated from the east to the land of Shinar where God promised their descendents the land of canaan.China's main population is from Joktan from the lineage of Shem. Genesis 10:30

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi D.C., Yes, I believe Shem is the forefather of the early Chinese people. However, those of Ham and Japheth had also migrated to ancient China and mixed with the Shemites.

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      D. C. 6 years ago

      Thanks for your reply. The Lord Jesus Christ Bless You.I also am studying my Native American geneology through God's Word.The Lord tells it plainly loud and clear all the nations origins in Genesis chapter 10.Japheth went north,with the exeption of the Medes.Shem stayed in the middle.Ham went to the south.The Middle East is the basket of civilization,that is the region where the most amalgamation occurred.The Far East where Joktan migrated to is protected from natural barriers,so there was limited contact from foreigners.Genesis chapter 11:2 states mankind journeyed from the east,that they found a plain in the land of Shinar,and they dwelt their.Biblically, Noah's ark landed in the highest point on earth surrounded by mountains. This description fits the top of Mt.Everest and the surrounding mountains. Joktan went as far as Mesha while Peleg continued on to the land of Shinar and ultimately to inherit the land of Canaan.God in His Word doesn't mention mixing of the Shemites of the Far East, so it must have been very limited.Peleg we can trace through the Word to the lineage of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.The Native American trace their lineage through Peleg.Joktan is our brother, hence the similarities between our features.As a Native American I have dealt with the threat of losing ones heritage,by God's mercy a lot of us are still pure Shemites and by God's divine plan He will bring us back home as His Israelite people.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi DC, The remote forefather of American Indians crossed the Bering Strait to Alaska around 18,000 years ago. They were the frist Asiatic people (assuming they were a homogenous people) to move east. They were regarded as Paleo-Siberians. Their descendants who remain in northeast Siberia spread south to Mongolia, Japan, Korea, and China. Their appearance in America happened long before the descendants of Shem migrated to the East. The migration of people from the line of Shem, Ham, and Japheth happened likely around 2500 to 2000 BC. At the dawn of China history, I believe the influx of people from the above 3 lines had laid the foundation in the shaping the Chinese people where the Mongoloids were dominant people and had taken over as the ruling race. Great comment DC!!!

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      Asia History 6 years ago

      You should know about asia history better than that. Before Qin dynasty, most of dynasties in the East Asia were not chinese but "Dong-I" whose decendents are Korean, Manchulian, Mongolian, and Japanese in the modern time.

      Moreover, most of chinese dynasties are actually not chinese.

      For example, Qing dynasty is actually one of Korean because they are decendents from "Silla" which is one of ancient korean dynasties. That is what Qing's history book clearly says, and that is why Qing dynasty thought only Korean as their brother. Ming dynasty is chinese but Qing is Korean.

      Qin, Han, Song, and Ming are chinese but most of other "chinese" dynasties are actually not chinese.

      Since 1980's "hongshan culture" has been found in the North-East Asia where ancient Korean(Dong-I) had stayed in most time. And "hongshan culture" is being estimated as the earlest civilization in the world even earlier than Sumer and Yellow river civilization. Many of archeaological founding there proves "Hongshan culture" had a strong connection with "Go(old)-Chosun" which is the first Korean dynasty that was founded around BC 2400(right after the Flood and Jok-tan's migration). "Go-chosun" had been founded by migrants from West joining with natives ancient asian who had lived in Hongshan area. The first king of Go-Chosun was called "Tan".

      What is important thing is that "Go-chosun" was the dynasty that had introduced a religion of the only Heavenly God into the East Asia, and they believed they are decendent from the Heaven. And surprisingly enough, most of ruls that Go-chosun made were really similar with what bible says.

      What I am trying to say with my poor english is Korean and Chinese were really different people from the beginning of their history. Even Ming dynasty who had a great influence on Modern "Chosun"(the former korean kingdom) admitted Korean is decendent from "Tan" king of "Go(old)-chosun". And that is why the former korean kingdom had been called "chosun".

      I don't know if or not your studies are correct, but I am sure that most of examples you are showing to compare with biblical stuty are actually not chinese culture but "Dong-I's" or "Korean's" who are decendent of "Go-Chosun" who had lived at "Hongshan" area.

      Now the modern china is manipulating Go-Chosun's history insisting Go-Chosun was one of China. But that is absurd because the fact that Go-Chosun is the first korean dynasty has been believed for thousands years even by chinese dynasties including Ming dynasty(the lates former chinese dynsty). Even Ming's history book clearly says about that.

      If you like to find biblical connections between west and east civilzations, you should know about Asian history better instead of just following history and culture that communist modern china has manipulated.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Asia History, How may I address you? Interesting! Good stuffs you mentioned. I don't pretend to know everything. Everyday I learn more about the origin of Chinese people from many theories from other people who are interested in this topic. Yours is a new one.

      The ancestors of Chinese people were definitely not Chinese as we know them today. I believe Chinese people have a multi-ethnics(or multi-races) orgin. Koreans definitely had contributed in the rise of Chinese civilization-also Mongolians, Siberians, and Japanese. Early Chinese people were not a homogenous people right from the beginning. The Chinese people are legacy of thousands of years of synergy of diversity of multi-ethnicity. Do you know there're 56 ethnic groups in China? There're Chinese Koreans living in China.

      The most important question to ask is who were and where did the biblical ancestors of the Chinese people come from? Were they from the line of Shem, Ham, or Japheth or mixed of all three? Share your thought if you know who were the biblical ancestors of the Korean people? If the Go-Chosun culture was earlier than the Sumerians, it will be interesting to see their writing and records of their knowledge such as astronomy, mathematic, and agriculture predated the Sumerians. I would love to see the Go-Chosun culture recognized as the cradle of civilization-that would be glorious for all East Asian!

      Don't get caught up with who was the first culture or people that had achieved what before any other races. I'm not looking for the number one race who ignited Chinese civilization. I'm interested in the BIBLICAL ORIGIN of the Chinese people. Their ancestors must come from the land of the Bible. If the Go-Chosun people could be traced to come from Shem, Ham or Japheth, this will be a great blessing to all Koreans.

      Finally, I don't write about the biblical origin of Chinese people to glorify China. This is about raising the interest of Chinese people to seek the God of the Bible. God loves all people. You know we're all in the one body of Christ irrespective of race if you're a Christian.

      God Bless You!

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      Asia History  6 years ago

      For the record, Go-Chosun was not earlier than Sumer, but "Hongshan Culture" from which Go-Chosun had been drived was earlier than Sumer. It is estimated that Go-chosun had been established around be at BC 2450.

      Yes, I know the modern china consists of many ethnics, but that happened just at the modern time.

      Just 100 years ago, every ethnic group who had lived in the North-East Asia had attained their own culture and identity, but the communist modern china swept out all other cultures to unite under "Han china".

      That's the way that china had traditionally done whenever they are strong. But when Korean was strong, Korea had kept each culture intact as their own. That's the reason that Mongolia is saying Korea is the only country with which they could make a union that China is strongly against.

      Moreover, "Jin dynasty" that is the former dynasty of Qing dynasty said "Korea is our parental country(because they are decendent of Silla) and Korea had took care of us when Korea was stronger and we are weaker. Thus even if we are stronger than Korea, we wouldn't harass them."

      Remember, what Qin dynasty(which is the first Chinese country) had done as soon as they got the power. They destroied all the "Dong-I's" history and scholartic achievements. I love common chinese people, but I don't like their governers had done pacist behaviors.

      If we like to figure out Biblical origin of each ethnics in the North East Asia we shouldn't be confused real facts with what the modern china has manipulated. Each ethnic in China has had their own identity right until 100 years ago

      God bless you.

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      Asia History 6 years ago

      As Jared diamond said in his Puritzer award, "book, Guns, Germs, and Steel" chinese people was originated in the South Asia around Taiwan Island and the Yellow river and "Dong-I" including "Korea" was originated at the Northen Asia including Manchu and Korea Peninsila. Before Chinese culture was invaded into Korea, Korean religion was to worship "the Only Heavenly God", and the ritual was really similar with that of Israel. Go-Chosun's symbol which now Korea is using as a national symbol was "Rose of Sharon" which had came from "the Middle East" not from the North Asia. Many of Israels and many Korean already recogniaze the connection between the Ancient Korea and Israel, but we cannot figure out that connection clear because the history is already destoried too much by China and Japan. Unfotunately the mother land of Ancient Korea is being occupied by China in the Modern time which make archeaological investigation really hard. For example, in the area around Xian there are hundreds of Pyramids that is suspected as Go-Chosun's ruins, but China never allow to investigation that because they know those are not theirs.(you may see those pyramid in Google map.) And they are manipulating Korean history saying Go-Chosun was one of China so that the pyramids also belong to China. But that is absurd.

      Lots of things have been manipulated. Be careful when you write a book about Asian history. The only thing I can say you for sure, China and Korea are different people from the beginning of their history, just like Shem, Ham or Japheth are different people.

      Korea is the country that has the secondest large Christian population in the world. That is amazing because Korea is now one of smallest country in the world. God may work in a misterious way.

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      GI Nam 6 years ago

      Could it be Goog and Magoog is the Gog and Magog? from The Gog-uryeo?

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Asia History, Thank you so much for your input. It has open my eyes about the Korean people. I have mentioned in my book there is a people by the name of Hon (which is Korea in Chinese) that is associated with the Chinese. They too might have contributed in the rise of Chinese civilization.

      I respect what you said. I encourage you to publish your theory and share with everyone. As you know the advancement of science and knowledge starts with a theory. In the beginning, it is just a theory. As more people share the theory, more research and truth will come out. Writing a book like mine is the first step to reach out to people like you, thus gaining the benefit of new insight and information. I thank you for that. The revelation of truth requires efforts from those who can share with an open mind.

      I pray that you don't dwell on the past of ancient and modern China in what they did. All nations had their dark history. We Christians must forgive the sins of our ancestors as Christ did for us. No nation is perfect. Nations in the West and in America also had a horrible past. Yet they prosper by the grace of God. And so did S. Korea. We must move on to help Christ unites nations of the world with a forgiving and caring heart.

      God Bless You!

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      Asia History 6 years ago

      About Magog, unfortunately, it is possible that Go-guryeo is related with Magog. But we cannot be sure about that because Korean history has been destroied for 2000 years by China and Japan. They left officially only two books out of thousands history books. what did they want to hide? and what did they want to manipulate? Unfortunately We don't know...

      Many people guess that the founder group of Go-chosun could be "Jok-Tan" who is one of shem's grand grand son because Jok-Tan's migration to East occurred at the approximately same period as the time Go-Chosun had establisd by migrants from West and there are many similarity between two groups. But who know?

      Go-chosun had 3 decendent korean countries just like Noah had 3 sons: Go-guryeo, Baek-Jae, and Silla.

      They were all said as decendents of Go-chosun and thought each other as brothers even if had fought each other.

      They might have 3 roles just like Noah's 3 sons had 3 distinct roles...But only God may know.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Go stuffs Asia History!!!

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      Kinomulok, from North Borneo 6 years ago

      Interesting findings, what about us the south east asian origins. Where do you think we come from from the Biblical point of view

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      Asia History  6 years ago

      I cannot tell about the origin of Chinese for sure.

      They might be some groups of Abraham's sons who had been sent off to the land of the East by Abraham. I think the dawn of Chinese were approximately same time as Abraham's that was from around BC 2000 to the late BC 1000's.

      But who knows......

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      GI Nam 6 years ago

      but I do not believe Gog and Magog could be from the Go-guryeo, they must be from much stronger and powerful peoples.

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      Asia History  6 years ago

      We cannot say for sure about that. However in AC 4C ~ 6C, Go-guryeo was the strongest nation in the world even stornger than Rome. Some german scholars think the Hun is a Korean based on Hun's "bow" and "customs" from frescos of the Hun because the Hun's bows and customs were similar only with Korean's at that time. If so, Go-guryeo was even stronger than the Hun. It is said by many historians that the war between Go-guryeo and Sui dynasty was the most massive war in human history before WW-1 and WW-2. Goguryeo had survived and protected "Baek-Jae" and "Silla" from other chinese countries in the North East Asia which was one of most struggling area in ancient history almost for 1000 years.

      Namely, Goguryeo was one of the most powerful country, and that is why the modern china is trying to make Goguryeo's history to be chinese.

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      Asia History  6 years ago

      I also really hope that Goguryeo is not Magog, but we shouldn't judge things about the bible personally.

      We cannot be sure about Magog, so let's don't make a decision about that.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Kinomulok, I think N Borneo ancestors could be from the line of Ham. Africans had migrated out of Africa on a southerly route along the coast from Arabia to South India; then from there journeyed to SE Asia and southern China. The sons and descendants of Ham had spread to Africa, so their descendants would have moved out to SE Asia via the above route and reached Borneo.

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      Asia History  6 years ago

      About the connection between Afria and China, Kenny K's comment seems reasonable. Chinese are found from Madagascar island in Africa to Polynesia and Austrialia.

      We don't know if they were originated in Asia or in Africa, but there is definitely connections between Asia and Africa by Chinese.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Dr.Jin Li, a well known geneticist from Fudan University in Shanghai,and his fellow researchers found that only the early East African species developed into modern humans. This new finding nullifies the theory that the ancestors of the Chinese people were “Peking Man” who lived in northern China 400,000 years ago.

      Based on DNA analyses of 100,000 samples gathered from around the world, a number of human families evolved in East Africa some 150,000 years ago. About 100,000 years ago, some of those humans began to leave Africa, with some people moving to China via South and Southeast Asia, Li said. It has been proven that the “65 branches of the Chinese race” share similar DNA mutations with the peoples of East and Southeast Asia.

      It is likely that SE Asians and southern Chinese were descendants of Ham from Africa. While northern Chinese and northern Mongoloids (Korean, Mongolian, Siberian, Japanese) were from mixed line of Shem and Japheth.

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      Asia History 6 years ago

      I just read the discussion between "J. Li" and "Kenny K".

      Honestly speaking, we don't know where every asian people came from, but if we like to more closely investigate the origin of Asian we have to stop saying every East Asian as "Chinese". As I said they are all different people. Actually most of asian are really hate being called "chinese" because they are not chinese.

      It's like you call a English Germany.

      Who are you exactly saying Chinese is? It is really an ambiguous term and actually that is the term that modern china is using to define "all different peoeple" by "land" not by "ethinc group". That is, "china" is the term to designate the terretorial boundary of the modern "china". So, if you like to study the origin of Asian, we have the term "Asian" instead "China". If you like to investigate "ethincal origin" you should use ethnical term but not terretorial definition.

      Are you try to find out the origin of "Han china" or "Qin" china? or Dang dynasty who is Kitan and also different people from Han dynasty? or "Won" dynasty who is Mongolian? or Qing dynasty who is decendent of Silla? Japanese who is mixture of Baek-Jae and native japanese Jomon? or Korean who is decendent of Go-chosun. They are all different.

      By AD 17~18C Asia was more developed continent than Europe. Thus there have been really various people and nations whom you couldn't just say all them "Chinese" that is made in the modern time. It is just like Asian call sometime in the future all 21C european "English man" and you know how ridiculous is that.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Don't know what you're talking about? This is about in search of BIBLICAL ORIGIN, not origin, of the Chinese people only. Koreans are East Asians, not Chinese. Mongolians are East Asians, not Chinese. Everyone knows it, nothing to be confused about. However, in REMOTE ancient time before people called themselves Chinese, Korean, Mongolian, Vietnamese etc... they're generally East Asians. I encourage you to write a book about your theory and share your knowledge with everyone. You seem to have a lot of stuffs about origin of people and the Korean culture. This is better than telling bits and pieces about what you think is right or wrong. Your theory is important to everyone if you're serious to let the world knows what you think.

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      Warren B 6 years ago

      Was that an ancient Chinese writing on the jade pendant? or foreign, like the ancient Hebrew perhaps? Thanks!

      "Duke of Qin's Jade Pendant. This jade pendant was used by a Duke of Qin, ancestor of the First Emperor, 350 years before he existed."

      http://heritage-key.com/china/duke-qins-jade-penda...

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Warren, I'm not sure about the Jade Pendant. It could be.

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      Origin 6 years ago

      First of all. There is only one race, that is the human race. How can there be three different race? How can Adam and Eve produce different ethnicity IE. Asian, Caucasian, negro? Most of the paintings shows Adam and Eve as white. How can negro or Asian come from them? White folks have white kids! They cannot produce black or Asian descendants. Asian, blacks, whites don't look alike. How do you explain that? The only logical explanation is evolution. All apes, monkey have brown skin under the fur. There is no black,yellow or white monkeys. If Noah's family was the only ones left in the world after the flood. Who did his sons and daughter marry and start family with? Are you suggesting Noah's siblings marry each other? Why do Christians try to link all civilization on this planet back to the bible? Your explanation of origin of Chinese people is too simple. it's a fact the bible has been rewritten many times. Each time it's rewritten, they add something they missed...like the origin of Chinese people. Maybe in the future when we have contact with other civilization from other planets. They will rewrite the bible and say those "aliens" came from earth. When the bible was written..nobody knows about the FAR EAST..when the world got smaller...they start rewriting it to include some tidbits information to mention Chinese origin. The bible has been hijack by some group to try to rule the world by say these people from different land have links to the bible and that they should follow them (Christians).

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Origin, thanks for the comment. I want to ask you how did monkeys evolve into white, yellow, brown, and black humans? Probably DNA mutation, right? So why can't the first human race mutated into different races? The ultimate question is who created everything? Who created the monkeys? And why only the monkeys evolved into a talking and thinking human being? Why can't the birds, fishes, and animals evolved into talking and thinking human beings? If intelligence and consciousness are a product of evolution, all creatures on planet Earth should be full of advanced intelligent beings by now. We don't need to search for aliens in outer space.

      The words in the Bible never changed. They're words inspired by God. No one has rewritten the Bible. No one can. The Bible contains words of wisdom and answers to help mankind understand where they come from and the purpose of their lives. We search the Bible for answers-answer for the origin of mankind, answer for the biblical origin of Chinese people, and other things. We don't rewrite the Bible. No race can use the Bible to rule other people. Jesus Christ is the King of all people.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      @ Warren B : "Was that an ancient Chinese writing on the jade pendant? or foreign, like the ancient Hebrew perhaps?..."

      Check this out :

      http://jewsandjoes.com/just-how-big-is-the-remnant...

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Thanks LCC! The website is very interesting!

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      Edwin Masbang 6 years ago

      I like the articles on Biblical Origin of the people of China and/or Far East.

      It is very interesting. We can conclude that Blessings are not confined to one race. We shall trace our roots so that we would know if we are part of the curse, either.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Thanks Edwin for your comment.

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      chineseperson 6 years ago

      i believe chinese people are part of the curse and i am also a chinese so it is not racist just take a look at the facts. if we were descendants of the two brothers Shem and Japheth who were blessed why were we excluded from the bible?

      Surely if we were descendants of those who were blessed we would play a greater role in the bible. The fact that china was a communist developing country until recently where it become a superpower shows that we chinese were slower. Is this a sign of being blessed or cursed? What about other races laughing at small eyes small d***? If we were blessed would we be the best or worst? Take a look at the facts and the answer is obvious..

      we chinese might even play the role in the end of times as an evil nation as we have roots of canaan and now that china is gaining superpower status. Support North Korea to nuclear bomb the whole world in the future? It seems likely.. The facts are undeniable those idiots who defend like crazy are just blind to the facts unwilling to be accepted as a cursed race BUT WE CAN BE SAVED IF WE BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST so it does not matter if we are cursed or not what is more important is the belief in GOD AND WE CAN BE SAVED i hope i made sense

      Sorry for the repost the previous post was hard to read..

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Dear Friend, the entire human race is cursed since the day Adam and Eve committed the original sin. Among all the races, God chose the Jews as His chosen people. Do you see they're a blessed race or a cursed one? The Jewish people had suffered destruction of her nation, world wide exile, mass genocide, racial insults, and all kinds of curses that you could imagine. Even now Israel is still surrounded by dangerous enemies on all sides. The Jewish people had a history of undescrible curses, yet they're the chosen people of God.

      Chinese people originated from the line of Shem and Japheth, but there is element of Ham mixed after 5,000 years of history. Chinese people carry the bloodline of our ancient Jewish ancestors. Chinese people are not the chosen people of God, but we had been blessed to survive a perpetual history of 5,000 years with no break up of nation. God sustains China and blessed her to revive her rightful glory of a superpower. China is now a transitional nation to be a more open society. It is not perfect yet, but in time we must pray the new generation will do much better than the passing one.

      Everything you said is only true if you believe Chinese people are inferior. We are NOT! Chinese civilization had contributed to the world exceedingly more than many westerners think. China is one of the five cradles of civilization. Modern world would not have benefited if earliet ancient cultures like China, India, Sumer, Babylon had not passed on so much scientific knowledges and inventions. Chinese people should be proud for our past. We shouldn't compare races and nations. There is always the cycle of high and low, up and down so to speak. The EAST had its moment; the WEST having its now; but watch for the EAST again.

      In the end time, China is the King of the East. There will be many Chinese saved and many will rebel. And so will other races including the Europeans. God sees only two people: The ones who believe in Him and the ones who don't. Take your sadness and frustration off China's past. China is a God blessed nation even when Chinese people is not the chosen people. I hope my words can comfort you and soften you. Thank you for your comment.

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      chineseperson 6 years ago

      okay what you said has made sense.. my heart has too much evil for saying such things. Your phrase about god differentiating people in those who believe in him and those who do not strikes great sense into me

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Dear Friend, God loves you whether you're a Chinese or not. God loves those who believe in Him. Take care!

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      Joes 6 years ago

      Average IQs : Jews = 120, China = 110, Caucasians = 100, India = 80 and the Rest of the World = 60 - 90.

      I think it isn't hard to guess who is the most blessed, second, third and so on... (in the long run)

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Joe, interesting comment. However, blessing from God is not about who is smarter. It was the furit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that Adam and Eve ate that caused the fall of mankind. Wisdom is both a blessing and a curse. Wiser, smarter, or clever doesn't make a person a good person. Go for higher IQ in love, forgiveness, and righteousness, he/she, no matter what race the person comes from, will be the most blessed-That's all it counts in my book! Remember, God often uses the fool to shame the wise. The most blessed people are the ones God loves the most. God Bless you!

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      Joes 6 years ago

      Kenny, I agree more to this : God often uses the fool to shame the wise, "if" the wise did something bad and evil. Good and evil is a freewill choice of an individual, while Average IQs is the genetic IQ pool (in-born blessing, no choice) of all individuals of a nation.

      Putting the political correctness aside, if given the same resources and opportunities, the Jews and China would lead the world in future civilization of science, inventions, techs and so on where enough brains are required, this is common sense as facts, while this could also proof who is closer to whom in IQ's traits.

      I believe China is closer and related to the Jews somehow... (Joktan/Eastern Hebrew)

      Happy New Year 2011. God bless you.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Thanks Joes. Happy New Year To You And Your Family!!!

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      Chin 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny,

      I am a Chinese and am interested to read more about the research works you have done on this subject.

      I have some comments:

      I think you need to set your perimeter or definition on who are these Chinese people you are writing about. If you are referring to the Chinese in the political or nationalistic sense, they include all the people of diverse ethnicity living within the border of People’s Republic of China. It is a genealogical forest out there instead of a tree with many branches. It would defeat the purpose the writing because I am sure your conclusion would be that the Chinese people originated from the line of Shem, Japheth and Ham as everybody else in the world (provided one believes in the biblical origin of nations).

      If you are referring to the majority ethnic Han Chinese, there are also major differences between the northern and southern Han Chinese. Adding to this complication, is the choice between paternal and maternal roots of genealogy. Among the Hans are many who look like Hans and speak like Hans but whose Y chromosome are of foreign origins. These are the descendents of male foreigners who had settled and married local Hans women and after several generations of cultural assimilation and continual intermarriage with Hans group, have almost 99.9% body and mind of Hans except for the foreign Y chromosome. You face this dilemma – to include them would uncover another forest.

      I quote your statement from one of the exchanges above: :Chinese people originated from the line of Shem and Japheth, but there is element of Ham mixed after 5,000 years of history. Chinese people carry the bloodline of our ancient Jewish ancestors.”

      Chinese people originated from the line of Shem and Japheth : True, if you refer to people living in PR of China. True, if based on maternal roots. Also true, when assimilated foreigners are included. But if based on Y chromosome, it is either Shem or Japheth, not both since they were brothers.

      Chinese people carry the bloodline of our ancient Jewish ancestors : Chronologically incorrect. The Chinese are said to be descendents from Yellow Emperor who lived around 2800BC to 2300BC. The Jews are descendents of Israel (Jacob) who lived around 1900BC. True only if you are refering to those Chinese of Jewish descent living in Kaifeng.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Chin, thanks for your comment. My book is about the bibilcal origin of the Chinese people, therefore, about the earliest people who migrated to China from the biblical land. I believe some sons and descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth had all migrated to early China. They were the earliest humankind after the Deluge. Their original mtDNA and Y Chromosome would come from Noah and his wife and their sons' wives. All previous mtDNA and Y Chromosome before the Deluge including the earliest prehistoric humans would have been destroyed after the flood, thus, the genes pool after the Deluge would start from Noah and their sons and wives. We can't argue that if believe mankind had been repopulated by Noah and his sons after the Deluge.

      The children and descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth had mixed with each other, so diversity of races begun after human population expanded. Those who had migrated to China might had carried mixed genes already. So there is no use arguing how to define who is the pure Chinese race by mtDNA and Y Chromosome.

      What is most important is who were the earliest ancestors of Chinese people who carried the faith of Yahweh to pre-dynastic China? Shem's descendants were the earliest Chinese people who believed in one God whom they called Shang-Ti. Second are the descendants of Japheth who also believed in Yahweh but less steadfast in faith than the Shemites. Ham's descendants are the most rebellous of all.

      Han Chinese are the dominant people in China. I believe they carried the mixed genes of Shem, Japheth, and Ham after 5,000 years of cultural and racial synergy. It is difficult to identify who are the pure descendants of Shem. And we may never know. My book focuses on the earliest ancestors of Chinese people from biblical perspective.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Please correct me if I'm wrong:

      Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, are Hebrews, the Western Hebrews.

      Jacob is a Hebrew, and later named Israel.

      Israel has 12 (twelve) sons, one of them is Judah (or Jewdah).

      The Jews are named after Judah, not before. Before Jewdah, they were Hebrews.

      Hence, the other sons of Jacob (or Israel) such as Joseph, Levi, etc. are supposed to be called the Hebrews, not the Jews.

      Jews are Hebrews, but Hebrews are not necessarily Jews, if they are not from Judah's descendants.

      Thus, ancient China and medieval China, was formed also from the ancient-Hebrews (Eastern/Oriental Hebrews) migrations and the medieval-Jews (Western Hebrews) migrations of some waves of migrations since the pre-dynastic China (the ancient Hebrews) until the dynastic China (eg. the Kaifeng Jews in the Song dynasty).

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      LCC 6 years ago

      (pls edit): Thus, ancient China and medieval China, was formed also from the ancient-Hebrews (Eastern/Oriental Hebrews) migrations, the medieval-Hebrews (the Joes/Joseph, eg. the 10-lost tribes), and the medieval-Jews (Western Hebrews) migrations, of some waves of migrations, since the pre-dynastic China (the ancient Hebrews) until the dynastic China (eg. the Kaifeng Jews in the Song dynasty).

      I believe Abraham is both the Western and Eastern Hebrew, as the Bible says that he is the father of many nations (historically, he was called and moved from the east to further west).

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi LCC, thanks for the feedback. Jews traced their root to ancient Hebrews. They're descendants of Abraham. Before Abraham, his Hebrew ancestors were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And before them were Seth and so on till Noah. Before Abraham, they were all Hebrews. After Jacob named Israel, the Hebrews became Israelites. After King David, Israel divided into the kingdom of Judah and the kingdom of Israel. People from Judah called themselves Jew. However, both Jews and Israelites came from the same bloodline of Shem who was Hebrew. The name Jew is now widely referred to people who carry the faith of Judiasm. The name Israel is retained for the modern nation of both Hebrews and Jews.

      You're right that the origin of the Chinese people came from ancient Hebrews if you want to use that racial name. Referring to Jew is okay too since it is widely recognized. In modern time when people refer to Hebrew, they often refer to it as the language of the Jew. Therefore, Jewish language is Hebrew.

      The earliest ancestors of Chinese people came from time much earlier than Abraham who was believed to be born around 2800 BC (debatable).

      Thanks LCC for your input.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Thanks Kenny for the explanations, but I'm a little bit confused of some of these:

      - (Before Abraham, his Hebrew ancestors were Shem, Ham, and Japheth)...I thought the Hebrews are only from Shem? I'm not sure about Ham and Japheth but I think they are not Hebrews? no?

      - (And before them were Seth and so on till Noah)...I think Seth is much earlier than Noah, he is the third sons of Adam and Eve, after Cain killed Abel. Seth is the 2nd generation of human (before the flood) and the only Seth's descendants survived after the flood is only Noah and his family (only 8 of them).

      - (After Jacob named Israel, the Hebrews became Israelites)...because not all Hebrews became Israelites, the Eastern Hebrews eg. from the line of Joktan probably were not became Israelites. Therefore, I guess this is the common general mistakes, that it is harder for the East Asians to search their origins in the Bible, because when searching they didn't search as East Hebrews as they were before they are East Asians today...

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi LCC, Shem, Ham, and Japheth came from the same father, Noah. Their descendants diversified into different tribes, but they all had same bloodline. Seth is the earliest patriarch directly from Adam. I think what you're asking is when did the descendants of Seth all the way to Shem and to Abraham called themselves Hebrew? The name Hebrew is just a name to identify a people who carry the faith of Judiasm. It is like the name Christian is just a name to identify people who believe in Jesus Christ. There'll be western Christians and eastern Christians, so to speak, but after all they're all Christians.

      LCC, the biblical origin of Chinese people is very hard to nail down to one specific ancestor such as the Hebrew. The Shang people in early China believed in Shang-Ti, the supreme god. The Shang people were likely the descendants from the line of Shem. The name Shang could be the new name of Shem after the Towel of Babel where new languages diversified. What do you think?

      LCC, you're a scholar. I encourage you to research and write your theory out and share with everyone interested in this topic. Truth comes out from diversified theories. There is no one theory that can explain everything. Mine is just one of the many theories before God reveals the truth to us. God Bless You Brother!

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Kenny, you are the true scholar, with an open mind for searching the truth, the Biblical truth. I will be glad if I could become one someday.

      Now I even suspect that one-or-two of Noah's daughter in law (his sons' wives) are from Cain's descendants, not Seth's descendants as Noah is. Cain was cursed because he killed Abel but also preserved with a distinguish mark on his forehead. I suspect she is Ham's wife or less likely Japheth's wife. Because both Shem and Japheth are blessed, and also Ham in the beginning because he is also from Seth, but it is after Ham wrongdoing that the curse comes into play combined with his wife curse as the descendants of Cain.

      I'm not sure about the Shang people, but from their believe of Shang-Dai, sounds very much the same as Shaddai, the One Supreme God, most likely they are from the line of Shem, or maybe Shem is Shennong himself?

      God bless you too Brother!

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      chin 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny

      In your reply to LCC, you stated that “Before Abraham, they were all Hebrews.”

      I do not agree on this. From Adam all the way to Noah then to the time of Tower of Babel, there was one language and perhaps one race, we do not know what was that original language or race. From the fact that all the antediluvian patriarchs had names that had meaning in Hebrew words, I can say that Hebrew is fair close to the first language. Division of languages happened after the Tower of Babel. The first use of the word Hebrew in the Bible is in Gen 14.13 referring to Abram as a kind of tribal or maybe linguistic identity. Abram was born after the Tower of Babel. During his time, there were other tribal groups in existence – Egyptian, Canaanites and Hitties. To say that the Hebrews’ ancestors were Shem, Noah and Seth is correct but in reverse to say that the Shem, Noah and Seth were Hebrews is wrong. Likewise Chinese can say that their ancestors were Noah and ultimately Adam but they cannot claim that Adam and Noah were Chinese.

      Technically, all that descended from Abram can be called Hebrews but somehow as the Biblical records progress the term became synonym to Israelites and subsequently to Jews. In Gen 25.6 Abraham sent all his other sons eastward away from Isaac, the promised heir. Perhaps by separation these sons adopted different tribal identities (e.g. Midianites) while their languages evolved into other Middle Eastern languages like Arabic. In my opinion, the promised line of descendents faithfully held on the Hebrew identity while the others branched out into many nations of different identities. Chinese can only claim to be Hebrews if it can be proven Huangdi or Yandi descended from one of the names listed in Gen 25:1-16.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Chin, we're talking about the line of Seth and Shem to Noah, not about the entire mankind. Obviously, descendants of Cain were not Hebrews. If as you said Hebrew might be the first language of mankind, then what would you call all people at that time who spoke Hebrew? Hebrew is ancestral language of the Jew. I agree we can't call all people who spoke Hebrew in Seth to Noah's time Hebrews. But we're talking here about the line of Seth to Noah and excluding all other people. So If they spoke Hebrew as their language, they could be called Hebrew although is debatable. After the Tower of Babel, thousands of new languages emerged, so division of mankind begun not by race but by language. Whether or not the original Hebrew language had retained after Babel is unknown. The line of Shem could be speaking a new version of Hebrew or continuing speaking in the original Hebrew. Anyway, this is a very debatable topic and we need not indulged in he says she says is right or wrong when no one has the final proof. I respect your point of view.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      LCC, I'd thought about the wives of the 3 sons of Noah might not be from Shem's line too. However, Shem's line had strict racial law so to speak that they must not married outsiders. This tradition was re-imposed to the Israelites during their exile in the desert by God. Read the Book of Exodus, Number, 1&2 Chronicle. So our suspicion of the wives would be wrong.

      The curse of Ham is really the curse on Canaan, the youngest son of Ham. Why? Nobody knows. There is a suggested theory by a Bible scholar I read (forgot the name) that Canaan was the offspring of Ham and his mother (i.e. Noah's wife), so this was why Noah cursed Canaan. But this is just a theory. Because Ham was the father, so he took the curse on behalf of his sons. I encouraged you to read the Old Testament in the Bible and see if God will reveal and inspire you more. The Bible is the answer to all our questions. God Bless!

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny, thanks for the ref.

      I was just thinking that since Noah brought all living things with him to survive the great flood, whether they're good or bad creatures, all were brought in pairs like cattles or wild beasts etc. so he might as well brought with him the Seth's (his own) and the Cain's descendants to survive too. Because even Cain's had sinned but still God has promised to preserve him, and if his descendants was not brought along, that means his offsprings, curses etc. had finished and invalid forever after the flood.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Good point LCC!

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Hi Guys, did some googling and got this:

      http://www.annomundi.com/history/forgotten_history...

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      Earliest Civilzation 6 years ago

      Using the term "China" when searching the origin of the East Asians is really not relevant. That is just like following the modern communist china's political Sinicization of all the other East Asians.

      Moreover, the earliest civilization in the East Asia wasn't Sinic chinese from Yellow river but "HongShang" culture (approx. BC 5000 even earlier than Sumer) that most of non-chinese scholars believe as the earliest Korean ancestor based on archeological foundings that show evidently ancient korean culture like jades, korean bronze sword, Dolmen, etc. Thus, most of scholars think the HongShang culture was related with "Gojosun" or "Beadal" that was the first Korean nation in written history. And the religion for Shang-Dai wasn't originated from Sinic China but ancient Korea that Ming dynasty which was one of Sinic china officially admitted.

      In the early time in the East Asia, actually ancient "Dong-I" which was the ancestor of Korean, Manchurian, and other Far-north east Asians was culturally more advanced than Sinic China who is Far-South east Asian, and Sinic chinese admired "Dong-I" as "Sage's land". Even, Chinese letters had been made by one of "Dong-I".

      I know common Chinese people are great, but we should be careful not being mis-informed as Sinicization of all the other East Asians that Chinese communist government is manipulating in a political reason. If you are interest in East Asian history, look for how the modern china is manipulating the whole Asian histories. You would be surprised in that how non-chinese culture and history could be manipulated as Sinic culture. Some scholars say that is ridiculous as if Roman insists on being Jew.

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      Earliest Civilzation 6 years ago

      Some scholars say that is ridiculous as if Roman insists on being Jew for Roman had lived at one point where Jew lived.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi LCC, I read the article a few years back when I did my research. I'd contacted the author too and also Mike, the web owner of annomundi.com. He'd been quiet for a few years but recently resurfaced, and emailed me his latest newsletter. Anyway, the Joktan article is interesting. I've my own theory too for my second book. Good Job LCC!

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Earliest Civilization, are u the same guy as Asia History who commented few weeks back?

      I've a few Korean friends and I respect them very much. Korean culture is a very ancient culture and Korean people are one of the nicest and beautiful people in the world. However, they're very different from Chinese. Many Chinese thought China has the oldest civilizations in the world earlier than Sumer and Egypt. The fact is Chinese civilization is 2000 years behind the above two oldest civilization. The misconception came from the discovery of very old archaelogical sites unearthed in China that predated the appearance of the Sumerians and Egyptians. So Chinese people thought they were the earliest people of all. But those sites unearthed are sites of prehistoric humans (paleolithic time) when mankind didn't have any form of culture at all. If we use this dating to determine who started the first culture before any other people in the same region, then it'll be very misleading.

      China cannot claims that she is the cradle of civilization in the Far East. However, her culture is indigenous and developed over 5,000 years. Earliest people in China were not a homogenous people. There were many ethnic groups (East and West), including earliest Korean people, had mingled together. I'm open to earliest Korean people had impacted and contributed to the beginning of Chinese civilization. But Korean were not the only ones that had synergized with the diversity of people in early China.

      East Asians, especially north East Asian people, are brothers and sisters and classified under the Mongoloid race. We must offer each other grace and appreciation for each other culture. No race is perfect. Modern China, being a communist country, is doing her best to be a more liberal and tolerant society. China is now a communist country on paper. China's past is not perfect but so do many countries' past. Criticism is mutual. Look at North Korea. Does it makes the South Koreans a great people when their brothers in the north is threatening the world and South Koreans with nuclear weapon? Who is manulipating the world? Be fair in your comment. I love Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian, and Siberian. We're a great people together in the East!

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Thanks Kenny, I guess now I know that the name Hebrew and Hebrews people started from Eber onwards, the father of both Peleg and Joktan.

      Now I wonder, why Chinese people call their great ancestor something like Jok-Tai/Jok-Dai or Jok-Kong/Jok-Gong, and the ancestors' genealogy family book something like Jok-Po. Maybe unknowingly (today) that they are actually referring to their great ancient ancestor, Joktan?

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      Earliest Civilization 6 years ago

      "The fact is Chinese civilization is 2000 years behind the above two oldest civilization. The misconception came from the discovery of very old archaelogical sites unearthed in China that predated the appearance of the Sumerians and Egyptians. So Chinese people thought they were the earliest people of all. But those sites unearthed are sites of prehistoric humans (paleolithic time) when mankind didn't have any form of culture at all. If we use this dating to determine who started the first culture before any other people in the same region, then it'll be very misleading."

      This is not true.

      The only reason China insists that they are the oldest civilization is because the discovery at the “Hongshan” culture in about 1960’s which is a pretty recent discovery in archaeology. By 90’s China had insisted that Sinic Chinese was originated from southern area of the Yellow river and that all the people north of the Chinese wall were barbarian. And they insisted hongshang culture is just primitive and not Chinese. But, as many of Bronze Age’s archaeological discoveries have been found at the Hongshang area (BC 5000), they are changing the whole history and insisting some of ancient korea were China which is a ridiculous argument. If you think Hongshang Culture is just Paleolithic, look at the bronze swords that have been found and huge pyramids in the Xian area that is thought built by Hongshang culture. Some of them are even bigger than pyramid in Egypt but Chinese government doesn’t allow investigating.

      As “jared diamond” explains in his book, “gun germs and steel”, in ancient time, the North Asian was culturally more advanced than the South who is sinic Chinese, and most of asian cultures like writing system, law, and religions were from the North east asia. Now many of scholars are trying to recover that destroyed and hidden history, and if we like to know the biblical origin of the far east asian, we have to know what the true history of Asia is rather than just accepting what the communist government manipulated for a political reason.

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      Earliest Civilization 6 years ago

      By the way, I am not saying that Korean is superior to Chinese. Actually, all the histories have up and down. Sometimes china was far greater than Korea. What I am saying is that we have to look at the true history under all the manipulations.

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      Earliest Civilization  6 years ago

      For my last comment, some of Israel already recognised the similarity between ancient Korean and ancient Israel, so they insisted that Korean first nation written in history, “Gojosun”, who proclaimed they built GOD’s city in the East could be the Dan’s tribe of 12 Israel. The similarity between ancient Israel and ancient Korea is so obvious, even the laws of Gojosun was almost same as Moses’ 10 commandments except that in Gojosun’s law 2 commandments were omitted from Moses’.

      However, Gojosun was earlier than Mose, Chronicle comparison shows the establishment of Gojosun and migration of Joktan were perfectly matched. So, some people guess that Gojosun was found as unification of preexisting Hongshang culture in the East and Joktan from the West.

      Bible says there is OLD people who will be revealed near the end time from the East and their language is different from other nations. I cannot tell for sure, but Korea is practically and geometrically the End of the East. Korea was the last nation that practically didn’t revealed to the West by 19C. And Korean and Japanses language(who is a decendent of Bakjae, one of ancient Korea as many of the West scholars are confirming recently. Jerad Diamond says Japanese language was derived from an ancient Korean language.) are the only independent language that are nation-wise being used in the world.

      I am not sure, but if Joktan is the ancestor of Korean, it all makes sense…But sinic china doesn’t fit anything with Joktan.

      I wish good lucks for your study and God bless you.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Earliest Civilization. I hope you can write out your stuffs in a book, article, or on a webstie and share it with people (including me) who are interested in the significance of earliest Korean culture that had impacted the rise of Chinese civilization. I think you've a profound message to share with both Korean and Chinese people. You've stirred up my interest in early Korean history. I'll research and study your culture to learn more about earliest Korean culture. It is good to learn new information from you. I'm open to the origin of Chinese people being influenced by early Korean people. This can be a significant finding. Thank you. Keep in touch with you, will you?

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      LCC 6 years ago

      EC, you said Bible says there is OLD people who will be revealed near the end time from the East and their language is different from other nations.

      Could you tell me on which chapters and verses in the Bible that says that please? I'm very interested to know.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      LCC, good question!

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      chin 6 years ago

      Hi Earliest Civilisation,

      You wrote:"I am not sure, but if Joktan is the ancestor of Korean, it all makes sense…But sinic china doesn’t fit anything with Joktan." From your writing, I can deduce that you are a Korean who is TOO proud of ancestry and use your unsubstantiated theory to put down other people. What so great if (only if) you can prove (not yet) Joktan was your ancestor? Are you trying to claim some share of the blessings promised to the Hebrews/Israelites/Jews. So what, if sinic china has nothing to do with Joktan? Does that assertion make the Chinese a lesser people? Maybe in your mind only. All men descend from Noah unless one do not believe in the Bible.

      We read up on ancient history to learn more of our forebear and origin of our cultural make-up. If among our ancestors, there were some great men who achieved great things, we have the right to be proud but that pride should be directed to our ancestors in due respect. I would consider it as racism if one uses this knowledge to put down other people in a condescending manner. Time doesn’t stand still. Past glories belong to the past, new history is made by the present generation. Does the world now looks up to Egypt for direction just because it was one of the earliest civilisation? You can substitute Korea to my last question if you have convinced yourself that it was the earliest civilisation. Likewise reflected glory fades. Only children like to boast to other children who their parents are and what they owned. Each man is judged by his own achievements.

      If you think you have great historical discovery please do expound your thoughts in details as Kenny suggested, in a book or series of articles giving verifiable sources and evidence. I will be interested to read and to hold you in high regards if your research make sense.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Chin, we must all share our theory/claim with an open and tolerant mind. We're all brothers in Christ. God allows different of opinions within the body of Christ. We should always ask "what if". May be there is where the door to truth opens.

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      Earliest Civilization  6 years ago

      About the Bible chapter saying about old people in the East, it is from a conversation between Jesus and his disciples, but I cannot remember the exact chapter.

      Chin,

      I don't say who is blessed and who's not. As Kenny said, we all can be saved through Jesus, and as Jesus said no one proclaiming his greater than others cannot be greator than others.

      What I trying to say is if we have to know something about the Bible, we have to look at the truth under all manipulations.

      If you are a chinese and interested in asia history, You would already know that the chinese government is detroying "Gojosun's" and "Goguryeo's" remains and rebuilding those in a Ming's style to insist that Gojosun and Goguryeo was not a Korea but a China. If we like to know about the origin of the East asia, we should stop all those manipulations.

      Those manipulations are basically what all communist governments do. So, I don't blame common innocent chinese. We are all brothers under God.

      And many Korean believers are going to China and trying to deliever Jesus' Good News to China in order to share the Bless in spite of all the suppressions of the government.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Hi Guys, I also believe that through the belief of Ha'Mashiach, China Korea and Japan could be united-in-peace one day, of mutual respects in Christ.

      I support that if Korea send more Gospel messengers to China and also to Japan.

      Joktan has 13 (thirteen) sons, thats more than one, or many to choose to be correctly identified as one of the ancient ancestors of the East Asians, so no need to fight over them hahaha

      http://www.eifiles.cn/oo-en.htm

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      Chin 6 years ago

      Hi E C,

      I accept your explanation that you did not intend to claim greatness of one civilization over another.

      Here is a verse we have to bear in mind whenever we delve into genealogies: 1 Timothy 1:4

      ”….nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.”. Idle speculations serve no purpose except leading to disputes and controversies.

      I don’t understand your rants against the Chinese government. If you have done your research and found concrete evidence on cultural genocide, expose them. Do not simply hear and repeat others’ groundless allegations. I am not a Chinese national, so I have no interest to defend them. But I try to see things from their point of view. China is a big and diverse country. Its government aims for racial harmony to ensure social stability (in a way to perpetual its rule, that is understandable). So it adopted an inclusive policy calling all its citizens within its borders, Chinese (correct in the political sense). All 55 ethnic minorities are included. So ethnic Koreans are called Chinese of Korean descent, even Russians are called Chinese and so forth. This is quite similar to the U.S. Following that logic, all historical relics dug up and historical events which took place within its border were considered part of Chinese history. What else you expect them to call?

      If the Chinese rebuilt historical architecture which had long gone, to enhance the tourism, it is for the tourists to decide whether what they are seeing are faithful replica to the original in details. I wouldn’t call it manipulation perhaps commercialization is a better term.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      I know that the link below for some UFO videos are off-topic, but somehow I could see God interventions to protect China, the ancient-nation, during the Cold War in 1967 (after two were allowed on Japan in 1945, but in 1967 Japan was already one of their allies), by using UFO and/or UFO's conspiracy excuses from their own staffs (the insiders) to no-go the nuke attacks on China.

      China was the highly likely target for the nuke attacks in 1967 due to the high involvements in both Korea and Vietnam wars. Unlike Russia, China in those days still got no equal nukes to counter or at least to bluff-back those nukes potential threats.

      Btw, I hate wars and stop all the nukes, please?

      http://wn.com/UFO_might_have_saved_China_from_a_nu...

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      LCC, God protects all nations. UFO/nukes are off the topic for this hub please. I respect your love for China.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Kenny, that's just a friendly reminder before it happened, as He means it :

      Isaiah 49 : 25-26

      25 But thus says the LORD: “ Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, And the prey of the terrible be delivered; For I will contend with him who contends with you, And I will save your children. 26 I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh, And they shall be drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine. All flesh shall know That I, the LORD, am your Savior, And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      LCC, you know I hope the rapture comes soon, for I'm sick and tired of this dangerous world. More and more Chinese in China believe the Lord, but majority of Chinese are still unsaved. You love China, LCC. Pray for her all the time will you? God Bless You!

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Sure Kenny, I pray for Israel and China from time to time. We need Yeshua's goodness and mercy for the blessed life of joy and peace forever. God bless you too

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      Earliest Civilization 6 years ago

      Chin,

      About the Goguryeo and Gojosun's remains rebuilt in Ming's style, the remains had existed until the government themselves destroyed and rebuilt in Ming's style. That is to say, they are intentionally and systematically destroying other asian culture under the motto "One China" which is fake.

      China's cultural genocide is so obvious that it is difficult not to recognize if you are interested in Asia culture. Look at Uygurs and Tibet where western journalists was expelled in order to prevent their reporting or think about why Manchu's(Qing dynasty's) language has been completely vanished just a few decades after Qing dynasty had been demolished. When other ethnics had ruled Asia even under Mongol and Manchu dynasty (Won and Qing dynasty) both of which were one of the strongest dynasty in human history, all other asian cultures had survived together, but after the communist government has ruled, every other cultures are being vanished very fast.

      Chinese government's cultural genocide is so obvious. If you love china, you have to look at the fact directly so that you can make things better. Ignoring isn't a good way.

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      JL 6 years ago

      Isaiah 49

      18. Lift up your eyes, look around and see; All these gather together and come to you. As I live,” says the LORD, “ You shall surely clothe yourselves with them all as an ornament, And bind them on you as a bride does. (destroyers became tamed brides for Made in China! and debts)

      debts = binding bonds, t-bonds etc.

      Spain and Greece recently had become two of the brides of many more to come (read the news!, eg. China vows to keep buying Spain's debt), let's see those prophecies unfolding more one by one soon, time will tell... much like when Joseph saves his brothers and other peoples in Egypt during the famine/recession?...

      Sooooo true... Thanks G-d!!!

      :D

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      JL 6 years ago

      but which God?... HE is the Mighty One of Jacob!

      :)

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      Choe Chang Ho 6 years ago

      Good day everyone, hope you are all in good spirits and having a great day. I am a descendent of the Korean tribes and have been studying the Biblical laws and how they influenced mighty nations in the past. My research has uncovered the Anglo-Saxon systems of law to be the closest example of a nation practicing Biblical law by the light of Yeshua our Savior. Please look up such things as "The Lord's Day Act", "English Common Law", "Magna Carta", "Lord Alfred's Dooms", and contrast that to the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto. Compare gold and silver as money with the above mentioned manifesto. Someone here said Yeshua was a communist. If that were so, he would be advocating the use of unjust weights and balances (paper money). But neither is he a pure capitalist because the law of Moses (which stands today - see Matt 5:17-18) provides for the fatherless, orphans, and widows.

      That being said, I do believe we have Biblical roots as well, and it is very refreshing to read the comments here to commence my personal research into my own bloodline. Thanks to all of you. Yah Bless!

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      JL 6 years ago

      Greetings,

      Before anyone misread thus misunderstand that, please kindly note again that Joseph is not Yeshua.. Joseph was also a man, but Yeshua is The Ha'Mashiach!

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Choe Chang Ho, thank you for your insight. May I say to you: The Kingdom of God on earth is about unconditional love and righteousness to be transformed into act of sharing and caring for everyone. Communism and capitalism have no relevance to our living faith in Christ. Don't listen to people who label Jesus is a communist or capitalist. Jesus is neither! When he returns to rule earth, there is no need for money and trade. Everyone will live in abundance lacking nothing. All His people will live in love and peace-that is the only way people will live.

      The West had embraced Christianity longer than any countries in the world. In the Bible they were the Gentiles. They ended up carried the burden of the spreading of the Gospel to the world. The Jews had been given the first opportunity, but they rejected Jesus. The East did not receive the Gospel hundreds of years later than the West. Therefore, this is why you find the West had practiced sacred faith and laws of the Bible more than anyone, and which is reflected in their culture. The same Anglo-Saxon descendants had spread to America and they too had successfully spread the Gospels here.

      The Americans were once a steadfast believers of Christ. They even have "In God We Trust" on their dollar bill. The triumph of the West and American cultures are shaped by their faith in the Bible. This is why they're more blessed by God. Countries in the East must follow. Look at South Korea, the religious transformation there by Christianity has made her the model of Christianity in the Far East. Look how blessed S. Korea is now! Look at N. Korea. What a difference?

      Choe, pray for all East Asians to rediscover and embrace their biblical heritage which many don't know they're the children of God. God Bless You!

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      T Lynn  6 years ago

      Kenny K,

      Thank you for your biblical perspective. In order to have a sane historical discussion, the same chronology must be used among the participants. A literal rendering of the Judeo/Christian bible puts the flood at 2,348 B.C. All history prior to that we cannot know except for what the bible tells us. Thank you for your research on this matter and for your unswerving determinism.

      When someone comes up with an alternate chronology, I love your response: based on what?

      Many pre-flood theories are very intriguing, and I find myself wishing they were true; some things were meant to remain a mystery.

      Your post-flood logic also seems to be spot on. Truly, reality has plenty of intrigue all its own.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi T Lynn, sorry for my late response as I was out of town. Answer to your concern on Biblical chronology:

      If based on the biblical data in the Bible, mankind has a little over 6,000 years of earth history. If based on scientific carbon datings, the earth existed millions of years ago. I beleive in an older earth. There're so much variables to conclude any accurate dates quoted by my readers on this hub. I respect their view and do my best to discuss openly if necessary. Thank you.

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      T Lynn 6 years ago

      Kenny K,

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to your other comments, you don't adhere to the theory of evolution, yet you believe in an older earth. This is puzzling; yet very convenient for research.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Yes TL, I don't believe in evolution of man from ape. An older earth doesn't mean man was part of the products of evolution. The 7 days of Genesis is a long process (thousands to millions of years) whereby God prepared all the perfect conditions on planet Earth for the coming of mankind. Man was created on the sixth day, the last of all creations. By the sixth day, the condition on Earth was perfect for God to put Adam in the Garden of Eden created for him. There is no conflict in older earth theory with the creation of man.

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      terry lynn 6 years ago

      Kenny,

      So you chose to believe in an old earth based on carbon dating. There is evidence that carbon dating is faulty past a few thousand years. You chose man's invention over God's Word. The bible says that God spoke the universe into existence. Universe literally means one word. God spoke it, therefore it became to be.

      The God of the bible does not need time to create something.

      Here's the main point for me. An old earth theory works to find error in the bible. The bible can stand on its own merit. A literal rendition of it supports a young earth.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Terry, I believe God created man and the universe. Everything created by God has a profound blueprint of His intelligent design. This is why man can learn and use His knowledge for the benefits of mankind. This is why we've car, airplane, space shutter, and so forth. Man's inventions are derived from the profound knowledge that God put into Earth: law of nature, law of physic, law of motion, law of etc etc. Yes, God can blink His eyes and whatever He desires will appear instantly. However, His thoughts are of the highest intelligence whereby a flicker of His thought contains His intelligent design. Man created time, carbon dating, and so fortth ... they may be of error ... but man's intelligence comes from God. God will correct man errors whenever He thinks is the right time to reveal the truth. If the older earth is wrong, then God will reveal to me the truth whenever He wishes to correct me.

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      Choe Chang Ho 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny

      I would like to interject here. But first, thank you for initiating this rich dialogue. I truly believe we are fulfilling the prophecies of Isaiah concerning the people of Sinim as well as Daniel's prophecy in Daniel 12:4 where many will run to and fro, and knowledge will be increased.

      Speaking of that latter prophecy, our modern state of knowledge was achieved in less than 400 years, yea, less than 100 years. In 1900 we were on horse and carriage, radio was unheard of, the idea of a global communication system was not even recognized as an "unknown". It was beyond human comprehension. And yet less than 100 years later it is as common as pig tracks in a barn yard.

      If you examine some ancient technologies you will discover the amazing facts that we used to engage in nuclear war in pre-flood times. We had plastics, batteries, razors, shoes, purses, all those cave paintings were highly detailed (not that I'm accusing you of being in the camp of evolutionary philosophy). The point I'm trying to make is, it doesn't take long for even man to launch himself to outer space. We used to have space travel! I'm sorry if that sounds incredible and I hope I have not lost credibility by saying these things!

      You must check out The Puzzle of Ancient Man, by Donald E. Chittick. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised, to say the least. When considering the ancient technologies, please consider them being mindful of the book of Ecclesiastes, "there is nothing new under the sun".

      Peace and Blessings,

      Chang Ho

      PS - As far as the time and the hour of the Master's return and the sharing and caring for everyone, I kindly advise all my friends (especially Jehovah's Witnesses) not to worry about that event. It arrives like a thief in the night. You are either ready or not. What we ought to worry about is the here and now. Yeshua said that not a jot or a tittle of the law shall be wiped away and that includes the statutes on the use of unjust weights and balances. Today our global financial systems operate on worthless paper representing promises to pay (in the form of real stuff like gold and silver, lumber, wheat, corn, beans, honey and oil)- this paper is the epitome of unjust weights and balances! The Chinese government is growing exceedingly impatient about the US Treasury continually monetizing the debt (which is only possible by paper money) and the private Federal Reserve which is the only real significant buyer of that monetized debt. China and Russia have agreed to trade oil denominated in Yuan, totally bypassing the US dollar! We've seen this before when Saddam threatened to deal in Euros only. We know what happened to him (and he was a known CIA asset). Sorry for the long postscript.

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      Choe Chang Ho 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny

      I would like to interject here. But first, thank you for initiating this rich dialogue. I truly believe we are fulfilling the prophecies of Isaiah concerning the people of Sinim as well as Daniel's prophecy in Daniel 12:4 where many will run to and fro, and knowledge will be increased.

      Speaking of that latter prophecy, our modern state of knowledge was achieved in less than 400 years, yea, less than 100 years. In 1900 we were on horse and carriage, radio was unheard of, the idea of a global communication system was not even recognized as an "unknown". It was beyond human comprehension. And yet less than 100 years later it is as common as pig tracks in a barn yard.

      If you examine some ancient technologies you will discover the amazing facts that we used to engage in nuclear war in pre-flood times. We had plastics, batteries, razors, shoes, purses, all those cave paintings were highly detailed (not that I'm accusing you of being in the camp of evolutionary philosophy). The point I'm trying to make is, it doesn't take long for even man to launch himself to outer space. We used to have space travel! I'm sorry if that sounds incredible and I hope I have not lost credibility by saying these things!

      You must check out The Puzzle of Ancient Man, by Donald E. Chittick. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised, to say the least. When considering the ancient technologies, please consider them being mindful of the book of Ecclesiastes, "there is nothing new under the sun".

      Peace and Blessings,

      Chang Ho

      PS - As far as the time and the hour of the Master's return and the sharing and caring for everyone, I kindly advise all my friends (especially Jehovah's Witnesses) not to worry about that event. It arrives like a thief in the night. You are either ready or not. What we ought to worry about is the here and now. Yeshua said that not a jot or a tittle of the law shall be wiped away and that includes the statutes on the use of unjust weights and balances. Today our global financial systems operate on worthless paper representing promises to pay (in the form of real stuff like gold and silver, lumber, wheat, corn, beans, honey and oil)- this paper is the epitome of unjust weights and balances! The Chinese government is growing exceedingly impatient about the US Treasury continually monetizing the debt (which is only possible by paper money) and the private Federal Reserve which is the only real significant buyer of that monetized debt. China and Russia have agreed to trade oil denominated in Yuan, totally bypassing the US dollar! We've seen this before when Saddam threatened to deal in Euros only. We know what happened to him (and he was a known CIA asset). Sorry for the long postscript.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Chang Ho,

      Thank you for your comment again. There're many mysteries in the remote past that are beyond our comprehension. God is the one who will reveal the truth to us if he chooses to do so at His time of choosing. Remember to trust him and do not lean on our own understanding. God holds the answer, not us.

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      Ken Myers 6 years ago

      Thank you for your book. I also have an obsession with this topic. Consider this- Cain's descendant "Lamech." He had 3 sons and a daughter from 2 wives Adah and Zillah. Each son was credited with inventing something. The sister was Naamah. Strangely, there are 3 sovereigns in Chinese history and a sister Nuwa (which sounds like Naamah). Each sovereign is credited with inventing something. Cain was separated from Seth's family and must have lived someplace far away. I believe the Chinese might have come from the Cain line because of their very unqiue features that seem to be so different from Seth's (ultimately shem, ham, and japheth's) descendants.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Ken,

      The three sovereigns (who are deities) in legendary Chinese history would probably be referring to the Holy Trinity rather than three mortals. Chinese legendary figures are humans and gods depending on the folklores passed down. Yellow Emperor is seen as a God King and a great earthly warrior who united predynastic China.

      Before the Deluge, there were only 2 lines of humans derived from the sons of Adam and Eve: Seth and Cain. Descendants from both lines all perished in the Deluge. So whether the Chinese people came from Cain or Seth really didn't matter. After the Deluge, Shem, Ham, and Japheth repopulated the earth. One of the ancestors of the Chinese people came from Shem line. Their descendants emerged as the Shang people in ancient China. The name Shem and Shang are close similar to your suggestion Nuwa and Naamah. The Shang people worship a supreme god called Shang-Ti which means "Heavenly Emperor". Only descendants from the line of Shem would carry their monotheistic faith to whereever they migrated to. The Shang people incepted the Shang Dynasty in early China. The Shang Dynasty is substantiated by archaelogical evidences and is the first dynasty in China supported by historical evidences. Dynasties and history prior to the Shang Dynasty are legends.

      Early Chinese people are a mixed race of all races that had wandered into China. The Shang people was one of the diversified people in early China. Therefore, they would have mixed with the children from Ham and Japheth that had migrated to China. This is why earliest Chinese people called their country "Middle Kingdom", the center of all nations.

      God Bless!

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      Ab 5 years ago

      hi Kenny,

      Hi Kenny,

      One of Noah's son is Ham. In the understanding of a person's name such as Ham. Ham is by nature a Black skin person. While Shem and Japheth are both light-skinned with slight variation.

      One need to learn Hebrew in order to understand Noah's sons names are linked to their skin colour. Ham's skin colour was Black in the initially before Noah place a curse on Ham's descendant.

      Since Ham was originally Black-skinned, it is NOT possible to say that Ham is known as Han in the Chinese context.

      One probability is that some Chinese people may come from "Clay" people. In Genesis, one of the name was known as "Clay".

      Another possible explantion to Noah's son being coloured (skin) people is the study of Epigenetics. Epigenetics could explain how Jacob and Esau are two different skin coloured when they were in womb of Rebekah.

      In Genesis, somehow, the author who wrote Genesis did not tell us at what age did Noah begat Shem, Japheth and Ham. The author just stated that when Noah was 500 yrs old, he begat three sons. Could Noah wife gave birth to triplets?? I really don't know.

      Be Bless!

      ab

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      Daniel 5 years ago

      Paul Phelps on THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL. Any comments?

      http://www.eifiles.cn/tt-en.htm

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Daniel,

      Re Paul Phelp's article: The 12 jewel stones representing the 12 tribes of Israel are significant identification of who the tribes are. The white and green jade in China were seen as precious and magical stones by ancient Chinese. I often ask how did ancient Chinese learn and know so much about jades. Who told them the properties and value of jade? And how did they discover jade in the first place? The 12 jewel stones pointed out by Paul has shed light on this mystery.

      In one archaeological site of the Han Dynasty (200 BC+), a royal noble was buried and dressed in a chain mail of jade. No one knows why jades were used instead of gold except jade could probably be rare and precious, so it could represent the extreme wealth and status of the deceased noble. I think the dead noble might know the sacred knowledge of the religious symbol, origin and history of jade. Perhaps this was why he had a chain mail of jades prepared for his burial. He might be a religious person more than a royal noble.

      The lost tribes of Israel happened after the kingdom of Israel and Judah were destroyed where large number of Israelites were exiled and scattered all over the places. Their descendants might have wandered to ancient China and settled there. But I don't think they were the first migrants out of the biblical land to the East. However, their monotheistic religion and tradition had impacted the early Chinese profoundly. In some ways, the Jews and the Chinese think alike, and their family values are almost identical. I won't be surprised the Chinese race is one of the lost tribes of Israel.

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      Daniel 5 years ago

      Thanks for the comment Kenny, that is very interesting!

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      stan 5 years ago

      hi kenny, the jews looked very different from chinese, skin colour, hair, nose,eye and they are hairy..

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Stan, I was out of town. Sorry for my late response. Noah had 3 sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. We still do not know how these 3 lines of Noah's children diversed into different races. Shem was the forefather of the Jewish people, but being Jewish doesn't mean a person has to have brown skin, long nose, and hairy body. Ham was generally seen as the forefather of the black people and Asian. Japheth was seen as the forefather of the Caucasian people. The Chinese people are Mongoloids. Obviously, their facial characteristics are different from the typical Jewish people. But we cannot separate the heritage of the Jew simply by facial and characteristics, for all races came from Noah who repopulated the world after the Deluge. Believe in the same aith is the only criteria that counts.

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      stan 5 years ago

      thanks kenny for the feedback, god bless!!

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      joyce bay 5 years ago

      Hi Kenny

      i read with great interest and admire your perseverance in what you do.

      I was wandering do you speak any chinese dialects? I speak Teochew as my parents are teochews. I speak hokkien Teochew and mandarin and can understand some Hainanese. I watch Korean show so I learn Korean too thought I am not fluent but am amazed at the many similarity between Korean and Teochew , a chinese dialect. As such I thought hmm maybe Korean and Chinese have same ancestry. THAT IS until before i read this forum. I thought you might like to know. How strange when the two geograpgic locations are world apart. On top of that I think there are many common culture which i had observed in their TV series. I am a great fan of Korean serials.

      I did a google search i realised there are others like me who realised that too.

      http://koreanteochewlanguage.blogspot.com/2011/07/...

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Joyce,

      Thank you for your comment. Korean and Chinese are of the same remote ancestry-the Mongoloid race. Korean writing (Korean character) was derived from Chinese writing. Even now, some Chinese characters are being used by the Koreans. I speak Cantonese and some Mandarin. Blessing ....

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      joyce bay 5 years ago

      hi Kenny

      Thanks I do speak cantonese too. are u from Hong Kong. Is your book available in Singapore?

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      joyce bay 5 years ago

      http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.137...

      thought u might be interested in this

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Joyce,

      Thanks again for your feedback. Yes, I'm aware of the Y chromsone studies. Google "Dr Lin geneticist China". You'll find his research on this subject and his scientific conclusion on Chinese origin from Africa.

      You can go to http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/middlekingdom to order a copy of the book (print or ebook).

      I was originally from HK. Keep in touch!!!

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      joyce bay 5 years ago

      hi Kenny

      the Xiongnu or Hephthalite, the xionite mentioned in chinese history. I think they are the israelites. I google the word xionite and the israeli word and stuff seems to be connected. xion , zion? ...what do you think. The Hephthalites are associated with Huns, could the Huns be Israelites? Hephthalites, Ephthalites, is it the Ephrathites in the bible?

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      The Xiongnu or Hephthalite are not Israelites. Xion and Zion are just spelling conincidence. One of the chapters in my book talks about "The Tower of Babel" which will answer your question who the Xiongnu were. Xiongnu were blood thirsty and wicked barbarians that caused a lot of troubles to China. They were finally defeated by the Chinese army in the Han Dynasty and got pushed from the East fleeing to the West. There, they became the notorious Huns where a mighty warrior, Attila, arose and ruled them. They turned out to be a powerful enemy of the Romans.

      Many foreign tribes had wandered into pre-dynastic China including the Xiongnu and Hepthalite. I would link them to the descendants from the line of Cain rather than from the line of Shem who became the Isralites. They were chosen people of God, so unlikely to become Xiongnu who were savages and worshipped idols and demons.

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      joyce bay 5 years ago

      hi Kenny

      Thanks

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      Alisa Guschin 5 years ago

      Where did Buddhism come from & why did (and still do) ppl think of that particular monk as a god-like symbol of "spiritual" atheism?

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Alisa, Buddhism originated in India. It was imported to China I believe 300+BC. Buddhism had diversed into different branches of Buddhism based religion in East Asia(Tibet, Thailand, Cambodia, Japan, China ....) In Japan, Zen Buddhism is very popluar and spread to the West. Original Buddhist priests and disciples are monks with shaved head. Even women monks have their heads shaved too. Since then it had become a tradition for Buddhist monks to wear bald head as symbol of their faith. Buddhist gods are elevated high priests and worship by their followers. Buddhists are not atheists. They believed the existence of gods and spiritual world. Hope that answer your question.

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      Alexis Q. 5 years ago

      Hi Kenny,

      Your post on this was really interesting as were all the comments. History is messy business and it's nice to see it unravel in different ways. A couple questions:

      As I understand you, the early Chinese people had a single deity. Yet this seems to conflict with the many other local gods sometimes unique to particular areas. How did this transition occur? I mean, I don't completely believe people would make up deities if they already have a superior one.

      You said you would link Xiongnu and other foreign tribes to "descendants from the line of Cain" but I don't see how that would be possible. Didn't everyone from Cain's line die in the Flood? Wouldn't that mean that the remaining people share Noah as an ancestor?

      I agree about the ridiculousness in Christians believing the ape-to-human evolution. Personally, I think that evolution in itself exists to a certain extent, but not that beings other than humans became human. After all, evolution is a theory, so some points may be valid while others are radical and iffy. That is, I think that some organisms may have evolved from others, but only in limited ways; for instance, jawless fish could have evolved into jawed fish, or even that amphibians evolved into reptiles. After all, these examples would be in accordance with the days of creation. However, organisms like plants turning into birds, or apes to humans is quite a stretch. It should be reinforced (in society) that the past is a mystery scientifically, and that there are many gaps in theories. There's a gap somewhere in our comprehension of life between the existence of apes and humans. We shouldn't try to connect everything in the same way because there are bound to be errors. Scientifically speaking. As a Christian, it should be obvious there are differences simply because Scripture said so.

      By the way, I loved how well the positive atmosphere was kept here from what I could tell from the comments. And nice job keeping the discussion alive for 2 years.

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      Ann 5 years ago

      I was going through Genesis10 and out of curiosity googled to find out what is being said about the ancestors of the Chinese and chanced upon this site. Unfortunately I could only go through a few of the letters and it appears to me whichever of Noah's line the original settlers of any region came from they soon inter-married with later settlers and there must be Shem,Ham and Japheth in all of us.

      As to whether Canaan was really cursed, I would have to say that the curse did not come from God but from Noah. From what I have read so far, Ham's line did not seem to have been cursed at all. In fact it produced a mighty warrior in Nimrod. I started the search wondering if the conquerors could have pushed eastwards either to India or China. It would be interesting to speculate which of Noah'ssons we came from but it is most likely they would have been products of inter- marriage.

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      Andy 5 years ago

      Hi Kenny

      I'm a new comer to researching the history and origins of the Chinese. Believing in the infallibility of Scriptures means that I also believe that the Chinese originated from the dispersion of nations after the confusion of the languages at the Tower of Babel. In my brief research so far I have come across some studies which suggest that the Chinese glyphs (written characters) show a resemblance to the narratives of the early chapters of Genesis. Have you come across these studies and if so would you agree with these findings?

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Alexis, Ann, & Andy, sorry guys, I was out of town and unable to respond to all your comments. Thank you for all your feedback. But first reply to Alexis:

      The Shang people were the only clan in ancient China who believed in one god called Shang-Ti. There were many clans and tribes in ancient China. Ancient Chinese people didn't start with monotheism. Shang people were an emerging clan who took over the Xia people (they believed in many dieties) then the Shang ruled China. I'm inclined to think the Shang people were descendants from the children of Shem who had migrated there. Only the Shem people carried their monotheistic faith to whereever they went. But the Shang's monotheism had been corrupted by other superstitions and beliefs. So there was no transition from Chinese monotheism to diverse deities worshipping in ancient China. It was the corruption of faith by too many temptations that drawn them away from God.

      You're right, all descendants from Cain had died in the Deluge. After the Deluge, the Xiongnu and other foreign barbaric tribes would have to be descendants from either Shem, Ham, or Japheth. Obviously, they would come from Ham since he'd been cursed by Noah. Ham's descendants especially of Canaan were singled out to be the bearer of the curse. Their children must have fled to distant lands (China being one of them). So most likely they became the ancestors of many barbaric tribes in the East. I associated them with the line of Cain for they'd become like them turning against God and living a life of hate and blood.

      If evolution was the origin of all living speicies on earth, then God didn't have to create mankind through Adam and Eve. He could just let evolution do the job for Him. God can wait millions of years to see intelligent men arose out of evolution. Why bother to create? All evolution theory wanted to do is eliminating God as the Creator of everything. You know who's behind this?

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      Pai Yong Soo 5 years ago

      I came to your site prompted by a thought to find out: are Chinese descendants of Cain? I have written a book published by rosedogbookstore with the title: The Chinese in God' s Land or ????? I use basically four scripts ????. These four scripts have pictogram showing God, Blessing, Providence and Longevity are telling that the Chinese ancestors living with God in ShenZhou or ??? I was able to make linkage with the stories in the bible to interpret these four scripts after a breaking news by Gong Yu Hai in his research on shan hai jing or ???that Eden was located in Yunnan China. Please go to my videos parked at youtube under paifamily. I use richly Mr Richard Sears website on Chinese etymology. Yes, I was led to check this Cain information as I was trying to build up a story that if Cain was responsible for populating the Chinese, then the Chinese language must be God's language. In fact, there was one author whose name was unavailable from WBC which uploaded this video at one time. It may have been withdrawn but I can show you the website which still keeps the video if you want to view it. Perhaps if you click on God's Language Chinese you may see the website. I will be doing my version about this by emphasizing the four characters and Gong Yu Hai's claim. Your book is useful, but perhaps, there is need to search further whether or not the deluge affected China which was overshadowed by the sheer height of Himalaya mountains. That is to say, some Chinese might have lived and created story about Niwa patched the leaking heaven. Well, so much for the time being. I am at the face book under Pek T Oon. You are welcome to friend me. Thank you.

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Dear Pai Soo Yong,

      Thank you for your comment. I'd bought your book last Christmas but haven't finished reading yet. It was very inspiring and I thank you for wirting the book. I would love to be your friend, perhaps co-operate in research and writing about the origin of Chinese people. Please touch base with me by email: kenkwok@telus.net

      Re Cain: I don't see his line of descendants is the sole ancestors of Chinese people. I think some children from the line of Seth had also made it to China. Perhaps Seth's children were smaller number, but they had to be the messengers of monotheism in ancient China for they were from the line of faithful believers in one God. The children of Cain that had migrated to China would likely be idol worshippers, superstitious believers, and even atheists, for they came from a line of rebellous sinners.

      I believe the Bible's claim that the Deluge had destroyed all mankind except the Noah's family. The Bible clearly stated that the water level was high above all mountains. So all children from Cain and Seth that had settled in China would have been all killed. You could still argue that the first Chinese people were descendants of Cain prior to the Deluge. However, after the Deluge, all ancestors in everywhere in the world would have to come from Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

      There's no doubt that there was only one language before the Tower of Babel when God confused mankind with thousands of languages. And this happened to the descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth long after Cain's descendants had been destroyed by the Deluge.

      I hope this make sense to you. Please stay in touch.

      God Bless

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      wiggleswiggles 4 years ago

      this is what you claim..Hi Choe Chang Ho, thank you for your insight. May I say to you: The Kingdom of God on earth is about unconditional love and righteousness to be transformed into act of sharing and caring for everyone. Communism and capitalism have no relevance to our living faith in Christ. Don't listen to people who label Jesus is a communist or capitalist. Jesus is neither! When he returns to rule earth, there is no need for money and trade. Everyone will live in abundance lacking nothing. All His people will live in love and peace-that is the only way people will live.

      The West had embraced Christianity longer than any countries in the world. In the Bible they were the Gentiles. They ended up carried the burden of the spreading of the Gospel to the world. The Jews had been given the first opportunity, but they rejected Jesus. The East did not receive the Gospel hundreds of years later than the West. Therefore, this is why you find the West had practiced sacred faith and laws of the Bible more than anyone, and which is reflected in their culture. The same Anglo-Saxon descendants had spread to America and they too had successfully spread the Gospels here.

      The Americans were once a steadfast believers of Christ. They even have "In God We Trust" on their dollar bill. The triumph of the West and American cultures are shaped by their faith in the Bible. This is why they're more blessed by God. Countries in the East must follow. Look at South Korea, the religious transformation there by Christianity has made her the model of Christianity in the Far East. Look how blessed S. Korea is now! Look at N. Korea. What a difference?

      Choe, pray for all East Asians to rediscover and embrace their biblical heritage which many don't know they're the children of God. God Bless

      The problem with you analysis here is that first of all Jesus said that the its easier for the camel to enter the straw then for the rich man to enter heaven! So saying that because they are Christians, God made them rich is really wrong, cause it would mean that God is proposely sending people to hell and or annihilation ! And as well many Christians in S.Korea are extremely hateful of people whom do not believe as they do, and treat Jesus as a magic Santa Claus whom will give them money if they tithe to their churches! Does that sound very Christian to you! Also, the God Shangdi is NOT your God of the bible, scriptions and Thirteen Classics, refers to the supreme god or a divine power regarded as the spiritual ultimate by the Chinese people from the Shang Dynasty. He controlled victory in battle, harvest, the fate of the kingdom, and the weather. Shang Di ruled a hierarchy of other gods controlling nature, as well as the spirits of the deceased.Shangdi was probably more transcendental than immanent, only working through lesser gods. ( see Zhao, Yanxia. Chinese Religion: A Contextual Approach) We DO NOT HAVE biblical heritage as you claim that is just Christian propaganda! Any attempt to try and prove Christianity with Hanzi is lame! the greatest mistake is that you have have made the beginner's mistake of seeing a semantic-phonetic compound as an element-indicative compound. The the vast majority of Chinese characters are compounds that include a phonetic element, as well as a semantic element. Here is some good reading "The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy", by John DeFrancis

      "Sources of Shang History" by David N. Keightley

      "The Composition of Common Chinese Characters: An Illustrated Account", from Peking University Press.

      Leon Wieger "Chinese Characters: Their origin, etymology, history, classification, and signification."

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      Joe 4 years ago

      Colossians 2:9-10

      9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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      Joe 4 years ago

      Romans 1:16

      16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

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      Joe 4 years ago

      John 1:12-13

      12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God — 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

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      Yusz Omar 4 years ago

      Hello Kenny.. I'm a Muslim from Malaysia but I think you have very good knowledge.. I think I will buy your book. I've done research for beginning Malay civilization and It ended to one of Joktan son's.. maybe I'll get some Idea when I read your book.. Thanks for your effort my friend..

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      Kenny K 4 years ago from Canada

      Hi Yusz,

      Thank you. You can order the book at this site: http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/middlekingdom

      Take care!!!

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      merenptah-asante123456:live.com 4 years ago

      These ideas are fantastic and are research for several novels; I think the writers of these articles ought to be writing fiction. The ancient Egyptians have African features, and represented the black races from those looking like Somali and Ethiopians, to others resembling western Kushites who reside in west Africa. There epicanthric fold (which is a typical feature among the Mongolian races) is shared with the blacks in east Africa. While this is normal among the blacks and Mongolian races, it is significant that it is an anomaly among the white races. the blacks and Mongolians also share high cheekbones and the skin colour of the San - the fair skin Wolofs and the Ibos in South and west Africa is another similarity which they share. On the point about ancient Egyptians looking Chinese; there was wide spread migrations of blacks along the Pacific coast of Asia before modern times. The DNA of the ancient Egyptians and their appearance is black. Their eyes are almond shaped,and most modern blacks have a profile that the European anthropologists in the nineteenth century called "the Mongolian fold"; when such characteristics occur in whites it is a called Mongol Syndrome. The point I am making is when they tested the DNA of the Cleopatra who was the daughter of Ptolemy ( the y haven't decided which one, whether the general of Alexander or his descendants with the same name as they were imposters in Africa and purported to rule all Egypt - while they only ruled lower Egypt - he remains showed that she also had African ancestry - the Ptolomies were from Macedonia - so there, let's not get the ideas confused. The ancient Egyptians were not Arabs and they weren't white; they were a black race. The eyes of Akhanaten, of the nineteenth dynasty clearly shows almond shaped eyes, and his nose is long like some Ethiopians and Somalis - this type also persists in parts of west Africa among the Fulla; the Hausa and the Tutsis - all black people. The mother of this legitimate king of Egypt - the Egyptologists firs prported came fom Nubia, as did the mother of his father Amenophis 111. The ancient Egyptians claimed thy emigrated from Punt in Somalia. There is to this day Puntland, one of the three divisions among the Somalis.

      Now regarding the bible; it is neither scientific opr historical. It is an attempt to justify a way of life that never really took place and China - which has an old and long recorded civilization does not have to reinvent the wheel. In this book, there are so truths, but is is clearly a religious view of the world that the Roman Empire had to endorse in order to save itself. There are no mention of Europe in the Old Testament; only allusions that people then ascribe to Europe. Syria is mentioned, Persia is mentioned; Ethiopia is mentioned; Egypt is mentioned, Egypt, but no mention of Greece - and of course Israel is mentioned - when then it was never a country. Therefore, it is merely an attempt to give some credence to a way of life, and concentrates specifically on the peoples around the epicentre of the events that supposedly took place in that area.

      The scientific and empirical evidence that Africa is the mother of the human race, supports the deliberations of the bible as an attempt to write a religious history of the world. Are we to suppose that Hebrew was the first language of mankind, and are there no other legitimate accounts of the origin of mankind, but the myth story found in the bible? And are we to believe that as the sun sets in the west; the west is suddenly the mother of Chinese civilizations when western civilization is a mere two thousand years old. But can see why the "Hans" are suddenly "Hams", that is semantics, poor understanding of linguistics - and the "Hams" , which is another myth are the ancestors of black people - who had a curse put on them by God(ie God told the writers of the bible that black people had a curse) Mean while, according to African genesis, Adam and Eve could not have been white, but black,as any DNA trace in the world can verify - unless of course they were albinos - of which there are millions in Africa - a third of them have yellow complexions - and of course, all their parents are black. Therefore, look before you leap; or you may leap into the abyss.

      PEACE

      Peace

      and all of their parents are black

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      Kenny K 4 years ago from Canada

      Merenptah-asante, sorry I was out of town and couldn't respond to your interesting comment. All I can say is the origin of the Chinese people is still a mystery. The fact that early Chinese people had already worshiped one supreme deity out of nowhere indicated that monotheistic believers from the Biblical land must have wandered there. The children and descendants from the line of Seth and Shem were likely the wanderers that had spread the God of the Bible in early ancient China. The descendants of Seth with all mankind had all been wiped out by the Deluge. After, Shem and his descendants were the second wave of wanderers to China. They were faithful believers of Yahweh. They'd impacted the belief of early Chinese people.

      China has the largest varieties of racial types in the world. You can find Caucasian and Negroid type of races within China coexisting with the dominant Mongoloid people. In the beginning ancient China was a melting pot of diverse races migrated from outside. This is the reason early Chinese people called their land "Middle Kingdom", the center nation of the world.

      Genetic studies strongly suggested that Africans were the first people before any races. Caucasians and Mongoloids were subsets of Africans due to genetic mutation which required and had taken hundreds of thousands of years to establish a breed of humans. The Bible recorded only six thousands years of mankind history. There's a conflict here between creation and evolution. I think we have to be open and respectful to all theories and not confined to one view.

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      Limxiuxiu 3 years ago

      The recent archaeological findings suggest that the first Chinese were Caucasian looking with clothing similar to the Middle-Eastern people and Central Asian. Indeed a blessing for the Chinese race has been bestowed since the beginning of the time.

      5,000 years of continuous history of China still living. Empires rise and fall but China before still China today! God Bless China and the World!

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      Limxiuxiu 3 years ago

      regarding linguistics, try a Jewish man by the name of Isaac Mosezon's EDENICS tracing many world's words like Chinese, Tibetan and different languages to the first Proto-Semitic language of Eden.

      http://isaacmozeson.blogspot.com/

      http://www.annomundi.com/history/edenics.htm

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      Mark Y 3 years ago

      Is this discussion still on?

      As I understand it, it is foolish to track origins via linguistic resemblance, as the incident at Babel was done by the hands of YHWH himself, if the differed languages were able to resemble each other, or their old self, why would people even scatter out?

      Additionally,

      Qin, Han, Sino, these are the names(some were self-given, some were not) of "China" at 400 B.C.

      Common belief that Sino(Sin) is a derivative of Qin.

      Qin was the winner of warring kingdoms era, under the weakening government of Zhou. For all we know, the winner could very well been Chu, Zhao, or any from the rest four.

      If "Qin" was a great ancestor of the Chinese, how come the Zhou line did not use it for themselfs?

      Infact, Qin was a people confered by the king of Zhou to the land of Qin, with a title of count the their leader(QinBo, or Count Qin). From this we can see the land of Qin was not a place of great importance(at the time, ofc), as it is a vast piece of land but only comes with a 3rd tier title.

      That being said, I agree that the Chinese of now is indeed a blend of the three, Sham, Ham and Japheth.

      Today's Han people is a product of three tribes, Dong-Yi, Xi-Rong, and Bai-Yue, which are translated to "Yi of the east" "Rong of the west" and "the hundreds of Yues".

      I believe the Yi were sons of Sham, who was here first, some of them kept east, some of them stayed to establish Xia, and eventually Shang when the Xia kings lost favor of the people.

      After the Xia nobility were overthrone, they fleed west and north, just to meet the sons of Japheth, the Rong people, who migrated eastward after Yi people, interaction bettween the Xia and Rong people forged a new nation, the Zhou, which took the central land(and Shang's people) from Shang.

      At this time, The sons of Ham found their way through water, and made to the south region of the land we now call "China", some of them stayed on the mainland, and some of them inhibited to islands of Philippines, Malaysia, etc.

      The Yue people, while certainly are ancestors of today's Chinese people(most certainly the southern people, but China have been a unity for so long and there are many migrations, so north and south shouldn't matter), I could not find the best explanation for when did they blend in.

      One source say it was Sun-Quan, the emperor of Wu in three kingdoms era, conquered and "civilized" the Yue. Other say it was the migration of the Jin line, made the Yues blended into Han.

      While I may be mixed on their ancestor, Rong, Yi and Yue are definitely different people, but they are now are united under the name of Han.

      Yah Bless

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      Mark Y 3 years ago

      I believe the purest of Sham's line moved all the way to North America, and inhibited there until Japheth's line brutally moved into their tent.

      The purest of Japheth's line, the Ayrans, inhibited the west.

      The Ham line went south.

      What remained in the middle was a mix of the three.

      Remember GOD chose Abraham and sent him on his way because the city Abraham come from wasn't exactly what GOD pleases.

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      Elijahovah 3 years ago

      The original Hittites of Hattusa Ararat speak Latin-English. The texts found there are Latin-Germanic-English words written in cuneiform letters with a reed pressed in soft clay. These words are also found in Ur because Abram's king Shulgi is called Dungi which means crap (as are his idols). The moon god Su-en is Sin to atone for falling short, the name Terah in Latin is earth, because the suicide death of Nahor Mes.Kalumdug and Haran A.Kalumdug to be with Peleg Mes.Anipada (founding Father of Ur) in heaven because his son the king Reu A.Anipada refused to go divided the family of Terah. So Peleg's death the division divided Terah the earth by implying Peleg passed on thru all the dead to be first to heaven rather than his father Eber pass thru all the dead by being alive on earth. This Pangea idea that 120 years the plates parted would create tsunamis and earthquakes 1000x unsurvivable. They move inches now and kill millions. How would anyone survive themove of miles. Such lies despicable to God above. As for Yao and Yu are they the same or not? Rey is definately Yu The great ruling Ur for 80 years, still alive 20 years later at 100 years, and creating the calendar for 60 years (2207-2148bc). I will take from these comments the idea that Jokton is the Chao dynasty because apparently there was a YU who led four families to China, the Xia, the Shang, the Chou, and the Mayans from India in 1437bc arriving at Xia China Tibet on Feb 2 (Noah's 11-27-1545 of 360-day calendar year just 6oo years (592) after Nahor's death honors Venus as 2029bc July 19 (9-27) and Sep 17 (11-27-945) when this 592nd Julian year (591) is the same Feb 2 date that ended 40-day seance of Noah on 5-27-954 (2020bc Feb 2) as it is 5-27 on Feb 2 for 237bc and the false 2637bc. So if Joktan lived in Ur with brother Peleg, and becoming the Chou family they left in 2029bc with Mayans and Shang and Xia to build Mari Syira to live 267 years before Hamurabi forces them in 1762bc to live 137 years in Babylon (1625bc), then their leaving India after 187 years (1624-1437bc) is as four families, Shang, Chou, Mayan, and Xia to the city founded as Xia. Now Reu is one Yu of 187 years from 2207bc to Noah's death 2020bc, and so is confused with the 187 years in India from 1625-1438bc or after trek 1624-1437bc led by Yu of 1437bc into Xia. Perhaps Yao (2207bc) and Yu (1437bc) are confused as Yao 2233bc and Yu 2205bc. The 137 years in Babylon is 1762-1625bc, and yet Ur The City is mistaken as Babylon 137 years after the Flood (2370-2233bc), in which China claims 2233bc ends Yao's rule as year 720 after the Flood 2953bc because they insist the 180 leap days from 2233-1513bc exists before 2233bc back to 2953bc. India hnors 1200 years in 1900-700bc as Adam's year 3600-4800am, but when they honor the first 600 in 1300bc it is 137 after 1437bc exodus of Chinese from India to be God's kingdom at Xia. Thus 1300bc is 720 years 180 leap days after Noah's death (2020bc) as their exodus in 1437bc is 720 years after Gilgamesh (2157bc, which has Noah's feb 2 date of 5-27) but he doesnt visit Noah until Noah hits Adams age 930 in 2040bc, and the turn of Mars in Scorpio at Venus rising does not occur again until 1645bc for Amizaduga's 1st year ruling until he dies in 1625bc. Now i still dont understand a direct path of Japanese for their 3060bc Flood to 660bc Era, but i do know it connects to Josephus thinking jewish exodus is 1664bc, it also connects to confusing the death of Shem 1868bc with that of Abram 1843bc based on Venus 1860bc (implying title of Melchizedek passed from Shem to Abram), yet even now punching on the calculator, the sothic 1460-year Japanese exodus (1600bc) if from Babylon to India, is 163 years before their trek into China in 1437bc which matches the year 163 that Peleg made Reu king of Ur upon Serug's birth (2207bc honored as 1460 to 747bc Era). Yet i have tendency to see 1413bc as potential trek from China to Japan, before Maya arrive at Cosiguina in 1314bc and Copan in 1313bc to build Izapa in 1191bc. (Both Malstroms 1359bc and my 1275bc are wrong because the tun for Mars is whole in 1191bc.) By the way, if this is a Mormon site, the Quetzalcoatl date for the return of Noah is in 100bc before Jesus, and Ahau Pacal Votan (Lord Shield Heart) of 630 AD was Mayan Christ (first to heaven 8 years after Moslems claimed it was Mohammed) which means two frauds Mohammad then Pacal, are not any better than two fictitious Mormon & Moroni. I am Elijah, I expose the 7 billion before they kill the Last Day Saints of Jesus' bride, that the whole 144,000 bride can appear 40 days as Jesus did after slaughter because like Lot the sheep will not flee to the mountains unless angels push them to go. Obama will proclaim that we are to stay home and await the astral impact date that is now soon unveiled. The impact date is too late. That is why the bride must make the same sacrifice as Jesus, and the U.S.gov and its churches will lie and call it a planned suicide.

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      che 3 years ago

      han Chinese might be shem's children but definitely not of ham

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      The Persian 3 years ago

      Do not forget, Prophet Abraham was made father of nation by the ALMIGHTY. As such, we are all children of the 12 sons of Ismael. Read Genesis chapter 17.

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      Calvin 3 years ago

      Hmmm.. it's so wrong.. I don't know how to begin to remark how distorted it is..

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      husayn 2 years ago

      The Hittites were indo aryan , not chinese ! 1st off where is all the semitic DNA ? THE Amorite are known as Imliq , they mixed with a Canaanite people same as Aboriginal people of North America , yes some Natives look asian but I have seen many Native that don't they have a unique look of their own . Before the Imliq the Akkadians mixed with the Sumerians who are another Canaanite people with straight hair , the Dravidians the other branch was the Phoenicians. The deity of Shiva is Sumerian which is Dravidian , the Dravidian language is full of sun letters , a language of shadda

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      husayn 2 years ago

      And Hittite language is Indo aryan

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      husayn 2 years ago

      Ibnul abbas , cousin of Prophet pbh said indians ,sindis and bindis are from shem. It is indians and sindis who are from buqayin bin qahtan.

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