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Part 2 Biblical Origin of Chinese People

Updated on September 25, 2012

Part 2-Anyone Interested in Biblical Origin of Chinese People

Recently, I published the first part of the Introduction chapter of my book "Middle Kingdom - Legendary Beginning of China and the Bible" (go to my archive hubs to see the page) to see if Christians in the West have interest in the biblical origin of Chinese people. I got only a handful of comments but there is increasing traffic showing up to this day. I'm encouraged although I hope to see more comments. So I decided to publish the last part of the Introduction chapter here. Please spread the word and write me comment...

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Part 2 ... Excerpt from the Introduction Chapter from the book "Middle Kingdom-Legendarg Beginning of China and the Bible"

... Mankind's first civilization arose in ancient Near East. The Sumerians were the first people to spread civilization to the world. The legendary sages in China could come from people in the ancient Near East.

Up to now archaeologists could only find archaeological evidences of the Shang Dynasty (1766 BC to 1050 BC) in Anyang (Shang palace) and other sites in northeastern China. Thus, the Shang Dynasty marked the beginning point of substantiated Chinese history. However, this doesn't mean the legendary sages, Yellow Emperor, and the Xia Dynasty are fiction. There are ancient Chinese documents made references to their existence. Therefore, Chinese historians included them as legends in the beginning history of China. The truth is the origin of Chinese people is a complicated conundrum.

Chinese historians assumed Mongoloid people were the only type of people occupied China in the beginning.. Therefore, all legendary figures such as Yellow Emperor, the three sovereigns, five sages, and the primitive people in Chinese legends were Mongoloid people. Although Chinese archaeologists discovered ancient human skulls and remains that anatomically pointed to the Mongoloid type of human, how could Chinese historians and archaeologists can be sure that Mongoloid people were the only race occupied in China since the dawn of Chinese history?

Right from the beginning, early Chinese people saw the West was the utopia world where eternal happiness existed. Without any particular religion influenced the mind of the early Chinese people, they mysteriously possessed ideas of a utopia paradise in the west (Garden of Eden), a supreme deity (God) ruling heaven and earth, a heavenly empire (Kingdom of God) in the sky, and obedience to the mandate of heaven (Will of God). How did early people in China invent such profound concepts without any religion? The truth is they didn't.

The above concepts of the early Chinese people suggested that they had a forgotten past in the land of the Bible. I believe some of the other children from the line of Seth and Shem as mentioned in the genealogy in Genesis 5:1-32 and 11:10-26 had reached antediluvian and postdiluvian China. Who else would know these things better than the believers of Yahweh who came from the biblical land?

The other sons and daughters from the line of Seth in 5:1-32 were one of the earliest ancestors of early tribes in the antediluvian China. The early nomads that arrived in China would be small as human population in the antediluvian world of the Bible was concentrated in the Ancient Near East. Unfortunately, the Deluge sent down by God destroyed all mankind, thus, evidences of their existence were all wiped out from the face of China. Thus, this book focuses on the children from the line of Shem to be the sole messengers of Yahweh that had wandered eastward to China and seeded the idea of monotheism there.

After the Deluge, Noah and his three sons: Shem, Japheth and Ham repopulated the world. They became the second wave of migrants and ancestors in the postdiluvian China. Children from the line of Shem were faithful believers of Yahweh. They were the ones who spread the knowledge of God and the stories happened in the early chapters in the Book of Genesis.

The Bible tells us mankind began in the Garden of Eden somewhere in ancient Iraq. From there, mankind dispersed all over the world. As Christian we don't doubt or refute this truth because we believe every word right from the beginning story of the Bible. There is no compromise-period.

To Christians, the origin of mankind is a biblical origin. No amount of scientific and archaeological evidences could change this truth. Christians must either accept the creation of man as is in the Bible or change their religion. This book leans on the truth of the Bible that mankind spread all over the world from the biblical land. Chinese Christians must believe the earliest ancestors of Chinese people came from the biblical land where mankind begun. It is biblical truth which Christians must stop shuffle under the carpet anymore.

I am shocked by some of my Christian friends who believe Darwin's evolution theory that man was evolved from ape. How could they be so confused? Did God create Adam an ape or a man? How could these people still think they're a Christian when they compromised the truth of the Bible?

Influenced by the popularity of Darwin evolution theory, China promotes Chinese people were evolved from the Peking Man (unearthed in Zhoukoudian near Beijing in 1929) dated 500,000-700,000 years ago. Chinese people were told mankind was evolved from ape. However, Chinese archaeologists couldn’t explain which kind of ape did the Chinese evolve from: was it Mongoloid, Caucasian or Negro ape? Had anyone thought why apes in China evolved into Mongoloid Chinese and not Caucasian or Negro?

Darwin ape to man evolution theory is a radical western idea. It is ironic that China has such alacrity to embrace Darwin theory without her normal harsh and belligerent scrutiny of western ideas.

This book explores the obscure footprints left behind by the believers of Yahweh who had migrated to antediluvian and postdiluvian China. They were the other sons and daughters from the line of Seth and Shem mentioned in the genealogy in Genesis 5:1-32 and 11:10-26. They and their descendants were the ones who spread and passed down the stories of Genesis creation, Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden, Satan, the Deluge, Tower of Babel, and the idea of monotheism to the early people in China. This were how early Chinese people possessed the knowledge of a supreme deity called Shang-Ti, the heavenly empire (Heaven), and the mandate of heaven (the Will of God).

The impact of the migrated other children from the line of Seth and Shem to the antediluvian and postdiluvian China had instilled the mind of early Chinese people with the idea of virtue, righteousness, and love for one another. Their spreading of a loving and righteous God had raised the level of moral awareness and social decorum in early Chinese society.

Great figures such as Yellow Emperor was a righteous warrior king and the three renowned emperor Yao, Shun, and Yu were benevolent emperors in the legendary history of China. They possessed extraordinary character of virtue and righteousness. How could they become the paragon of exceptional virtuous men in a still untamed world of barbarism and lawlessness in prehistoric China? Were they born with special noble genes of morality or were they influenced by the children from the line of Shem who spread their faith of a loving and righteous God?

The Bible tells us mankind is originated from ancient Near East. Adam and Eve were the first human couple. Their descendants diverse into three types of races: Negro, Caucasian, and Mongoloid. I believe majority of the Mongoloid people had departed the biblical land and journeyed to the East long before the authors of the Bible could trace them. Mongoloid people dominated East Asia. Due to the long isolation from the rest of the world by mountainous terrains and deserts, their posterity had totally forgotten their biblical origin. This book hopes to reconnect them to the divine heritage of the Bible.

The theory presented in this book is my opinion. This is my personal quest for revelation of the biblical origin of Chinese people. Reader should read this book with an open mind.

After I converted to Christian in 1993, I was extremely curious to know the biblical origin of Chinese people. My urge to find an answer for this question became very personal and very addictive. Since then researching and writing about this topic became my personal mission.

It took me many years to write and rewrite this book. By the time I completed this book, I was exhausted after many years of struggling with long hours of writing, rewriting, research, and finding means to put food on the table. I am grateful to God for sustaining my will to keep me writing.

I pray that this book can arouse the interest of Christians and non-Christians in all over the world to search the Bible as a credible source for the origin of their ancestors where Chinese people also share the divine heritage of the Bible.

This book will not prove the migrated children from the line of Seth and Shem had reached early China by scientific or archaeological evidences. The author will let the reader determines if he or she agrees with the things said in this book. Agreement or disagreement is not important; what is importance is that we Christians must have an open and tolerant mind.

Even though this book is completed, however, my research for more evidences in this subject continues. I welcome readers to contact me by email: kenkwok@telus.net if you wish to share your thought in this subject with me. I hope you enjoy reading this book as much as I enjoy writing it.

If you're interested to read the entire book, you can order the ebook version for only US$10. Just email your order with your full name to kenkwok@telus.net I'll send you instruction to pay via PayPal and as soon as I received payment, I'll email the ebook to you directly from me. Thank you for supporting my research in this topic!!!!

Here is the TABLE OF CONTENTS:

INTRODUCTION . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. 5

Chapter 1 Biblical Migration . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .10

Chapter 2 Ancient Messengers of Yahweh in China . 14

Chapter 3 The East. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18

Chapter 4 The First Chinese People . . . . . . . . . . . . 22

Chapter 5 Son of Heaven . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30

Chapter 6 The Vanished Mongoloid Race. . . . . . . . . 36

Chapter 7 Tower of Babel . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 42

Chapter 8 Primitive Chinese People. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 46

Chapter 9 Sages . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..50

Chapter 10 Shang-Ti. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .56

Chapter 11 Virtuous Emperors. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 60

Chapter 12 The Migrated Sons and Daughters of
Shem in China .. 64

Chapter 13 The Migrated Sons and Daughters of
Ham in China.. 70

Chapter 14 The Migrated Sons and Daughters of
Japheth in China.. 77

Chapter 15 Chinese Characters. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .80

Epilogue . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . 83

Suggested Timeline . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 86

Suggested Reading & Reference . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 87

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      husayn 3 years ago

      Ibnul abbas , cousin of Prophet pbh said indians ,sindis and bindis are from shem. It is indians and sindis who are from buqayin bin qahtan.

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      husayn 3 years ago

      And Hittite language is Indo aryan

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      husayn 3 years ago

      The Hittites were indo aryan , not chinese ! 1st off where is all the semitic DNA ? THE Amorite are known as Imliq , they mixed with a Canaanite people same as Aboriginal people of North America , yes some Natives look asian but I have seen many Native that don't they have a unique look of their own . Before the Imliq the Akkadians mixed with the Sumerians who are another Canaanite people with straight hair , the Dravidians the other branch was the Phoenicians. The deity of Shiva is Sumerian which is Dravidian , the Dravidian language is full of sun letters , a language of shadda

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      Calvin 3 years ago

      Hmmm.. it's so wrong.. I don't know how to begin to remark how distorted it is..

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      The Persian 3 years ago

      Do not forget, Prophet Abraham was made father of nation by the ALMIGHTY. As such, we are all children of the 12 sons of Ismael. Read Genesis chapter 17.

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      che 3 years ago

      han Chinese might be shem's children but definitely not of ham

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      Elijahovah 4 years ago

      The original Hittites of Hattusa Ararat speak Latin-English. The texts found there are Latin-Germanic-English words written in cuneiform letters with a reed pressed in soft clay. These words are also found in Ur because Abram's king Shulgi is called Dungi which means crap (as are his idols). The moon god Su-en is Sin to atone for falling short, the name Terah in Latin is earth, because the suicide death of Nahor Mes.Kalumdug and Haran A.Kalumdug to be with Peleg Mes.Anipada (founding Father of Ur) in heaven because his son the king Reu A.Anipada refused to go divided the family of Terah. So Peleg's death the division divided Terah the earth by implying Peleg passed on thru all the dead to be first to heaven rather than his father Eber pass thru all the dead by being alive on earth. This Pangea idea that 120 years the plates parted would create tsunamis and earthquakes 1000x unsurvivable. They move inches now and kill millions. How would anyone survive themove of miles. Such lies despicable to God above. As for Yao and Yu are they the same or not? Rey is definately Yu The great ruling Ur for 80 years, still alive 20 years later at 100 years, and creating the calendar for 60 years (2207-2148bc). I will take from these comments the idea that Jokton is the Chao dynasty because apparently there was a YU who led four families to China, the Xia, the Shang, the Chou, and the Mayans from India in 1437bc arriving at Xia China Tibet on Feb 2 (Noah's 11-27-1545 of 360-day calendar year just 6oo years (592) after Nahor's death honors Venus as 2029bc July 19 (9-27) and Sep 17 (11-27-945) when this 592nd Julian year (591) is the same Feb 2 date that ended 40-day seance of Noah on 5-27-954 (2020bc Feb 2) as it is 5-27 on Feb 2 for 237bc and the false 2637bc. So if Joktan lived in Ur with brother Peleg, and becoming the Chou family they left in 2029bc with Mayans and Shang and Xia to build Mari Syira to live 267 years before Hamurabi forces them in 1762bc to live 137 years in Babylon (1625bc), then their leaving India after 187 years (1624-1437bc) is as four families, Shang, Chou, Mayan, and Xia to the city founded as Xia. Now Reu is one Yu of 187 years from 2207bc to Noah's death 2020bc, and so is confused with the 187 years in India from 1625-1438bc or after trek 1624-1437bc led by Yu of 1437bc into Xia. Perhaps Yao (2207bc) and Yu (1437bc) are confused as Yao 2233bc and Yu 2205bc. The 137 years in Babylon is 1762-1625bc, and yet Ur The City is mistaken as Babylon 137 years after the Flood (2370-2233bc), in which China claims 2233bc ends Yao's rule as year 720 after the Flood 2953bc because they insist the 180 leap days from 2233-1513bc exists before 2233bc back to 2953bc. India hnors 1200 years in 1900-700bc as Adam's year 3600-4800am, but when they honor the first 600 in 1300bc it is 137 after 1437bc exodus of Chinese from India to be God's kingdom at Xia. Thus 1300bc is 720 years 180 leap days after Noah's death (2020bc) as their exodus in 1437bc is 720 years after Gilgamesh (2157bc, which has Noah's feb 2 date of 5-27) but he doesnt visit Noah until Noah hits Adams age 930 in 2040bc, and the turn of Mars in Scorpio at Venus rising does not occur again until 1645bc for Amizaduga's 1st year ruling until he dies in 1625bc. Now i still dont understand a direct path of Japanese for their 3060bc Flood to 660bc Era, but i do know it connects to Josephus thinking jewish exodus is 1664bc, it also connects to confusing the death of Shem 1868bc with that of Abram 1843bc based on Venus 1860bc (implying title of Melchizedek passed from Shem to Abram), yet even now punching on the calculator, the sothic 1460-year Japanese exodus (1600bc) if from Babylon to India, is 163 years before their trek into China in 1437bc which matches the year 163 that Peleg made Reu king of Ur upon Serug's birth (2207bc honored as 1460 to 747bc Era). Yet i have tendency to see 1413bc as potential trek from China to Japan, before Maya arrive at Cosiguina in 1314bc and Copan in 1313bc to build Izapa in 1191bc. (Both Malstroms 1359bc and my 1275bc are wrong because the tun for Mars is whole in 1191bc.) By the way, if this is a Mormon site, the Quetzalcoatl date for the return of Noah is in 100bc before Jesus, and Ahau Pacal Votan (Lord Shield Heart) of 630 AD was Mayan Christ (first to heaven 8 years after Moslems claimed it was Mohammed) which means two frauds Mohammad then Pacal, are not any better than two fictitious Mormon & Moroni. I am Elijah, I expose the 7 billion before they kill the Last Day Saints of Jesus' bride, that the whole 144,000 bride can appear 40 days as Jesus did after slaughter because like Lot the sheep will not flee to the mountains unless angels push them to go. Obama will proclaim that we are to stay home and await the astral impact date that is now soon unveiled. The impact date is too late. That is why the bride must make the same sacrifice as Jesus, and the U.S.gov and its churches will lie and call it a planned suicide.

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      Mark Y 4 years ago

      I believe the purest of Sham's line moved all the way to North America, and inhibited there until Japheth's line brutally moved into their tent.

      The purest of Japheth's line, the Ayrans, inhibited the west.

      The Ham line went south.

      What remained in the middle was a mix of the three.

      Remember GOD chose Abraham and sent him on his way because the city Abraham come from wasn't exactly what GOD pleases.

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      Mark Y 4 years ago

      Is this discussion still on?

      As I understand it, it is foolish to track origins via linguistic resemblance, as the incident at Babel was done by the hands of YHWH himself, if the differed languages were able to resemble each other, or their old self, why would people even scatter out?

      Additionally,

      Qin, Han, Sino, these are the names(some were self-given, some were not) of "China" at 400 B.C.

      Common belief that Sino(Sin) is a derivative of Qin.

      Qin was the winner of warring kingdoms era, under the weakening government of Zhou. For all we know, the winner could very well been Chu, Zhao, or any from the rest four.

      If "Qin" was a great ancestor of the Chinese, how come the Zhou line did not use it for themselfs?

      Infact, Qin was a people confered by the king of Zhou to the land of Qin, with a title of count the their leader(QinBo, or Count Qin). From this we can see the land of Qin was not a place of great importance(at the time, ofc), as it is a vast piece of land but only comes with a 3rd tier title.

      That being said, I agree that the Chinese of now is indeed a blend of the three, Sham, Ham and Japheth.

      Today's Han people is a product of three tribes, Dong-Yi, Xi-Rong, and Bai-Yue, which are translated to "Yi of the east" "Rong of the west" and "the hundreds of Yues".

      I believe the Yi were sons of Sham, who was here first, some of them kept east, some of them stayed to establish Xia, and eventually Shang when the Xia kings lost favor of the people.

      After the Xia nobility were overthrone, they fleed west and north, just to meet the sons of Japheth, the Rong people, who migrated eastward after Yi people, interaction bettween the Xia and Rong people forged a new nation, the Zhou, which took the central land(and Shang's people) from Shang.

      At this time, The sons of Ham found their way through water, and made to the south region of the land we now call "China", some of them stayed on the mainland, and some of them inhibited to islands of Philippines, Malaysia, etc.

      The Yue people, while certainly are ancestors of today's Chinese people(most certainly the southern people, but China have been a unity for so long and there are many migrations, so north and south shouldn't matter), I could not find the best explanation for when did they blend in.

      One source say it was Sun-Quan, the emperor of Wu in three kingdoms era, conquered and "civilized" the Yue. Other say it was the migration of the Jin line, made the Yues blended into Han.

      While I may be mixed on their ancestor, Rong, Yi and Yue are definitely different people, but they are now are united under the name of Han.

      Yah Bless

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      Limxiuxiu 4 years ago

      regarding linguistics, try a Jewish man by the name of Isaac Mosezon's EDENICS tracing many world's words like Chinese, Tibetan and different languages to the first Proto-Semitic language of Eden.

      http://isaacmozeson.blogspot.com/

      http://www.annomundi.com/history/edenics.htm

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      Limxiuxiu 4 years ago

      The recent archaeological findings suggest that the first Chinese were Caucasian looking with clothing similar to the Middle-Eastern people and Central Asian. Indeed a blessing for the Chinese race has been bestowed since the beginning of the time.

      5,000 years of continuous history of China still living. Empires rise and fall but China before still China today! God Bless China and the World!

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      Kenny K 4 years ago from Canada

      Merenptah-asante, sorry I was out of town and couldn't respond to your interesting comment. All I can say is the origin of the Chinese people is still a mystery. The fact that early Chinese people had already worshiped one supreme deity out of nowhere indicated that monotheistic believers from the Biblical land must have wandered there. The children and descendants from the line of Seth and Shem were likely the wanderers that had spread the God of the Bible in early ancient China. The descendants of Seth with all mankind had all been wiped out by the Deluge. After, Shem and his descendants were the second wave of wanderers to China. They were faithful believers of Yahweh. They'd impacted the belief of early Chinese people.

      China has the largest varieties of racial types in the world. You can find Caucasian and Negroid type of races within China coexisting with the dominant Mongoloid people. In the beginning ancient China was a melting pot of diverse races migrated from outside. This is the reason early Chinese people called their land "Middle Kingdom", the center nation of the world.

      Genetic studies strongly suggested that Africans were the first people before any races. Caucasians and Mongoloids were subsets of Africans due to genetic mutation which required and had taken hundreds of thousands of years to establish a breed of humans. The Bible recorded only six thousands years of mankind history. There's a conflict here between creation and evolution. I think we have to be open and respectful to all theories and not confined to one view.

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      merenptah-asante123456:live.com 4 years ago

      These ideas are fantastic and are research for several novels; I think the writers of these articles ought to be writing fiction. The ancient Egyptians have African features, and represented the black races from those looking like Somali and Ethiopians, to others resembling western Kushites who reside in west Africa. There epicanthric fold (which is a typical feature among the Mongolian races) is shared with the blacks in east Africa. While this is normal among the blacks and Mongolian races, it is significant that it is an anomaly among the white races. the blacks and Mongolians also share high cheekbones and the skin colour of the San - the fair skin Wolofs and the Ibos in South and west Africa is another similarity which they share. On the point about ancient Egyptians looking Chinese; there was wide spread migrations of blacks along the Pacific coast of Asia before modern times. The DNA of the ancient Egyptians and their appearance is black. Their eyes are almond shaped,and most modern blacks have a profile that the European anthropologists in the nineteenth century called "the Mongolian fold"; when such characteristics occur in whites it is a called Mongol Syndrome. The point I am making is when they tested the DNA of the Cleopatra who was the daughter of Ptolemy ( the y haven't decided which one, whether the general of Alexander or his descendants with the same name as they were imposters in Africa and purported to rule all Egypt - while they only ruled lower Egypt - he remains showed that she also had African ancestry - the Ptolomies were from Macedonia - so there, let's not get the ideas confused. The ancient Egyptians were not Arabs and they weren't white; they were a black race. The eyes of Akhanaten, of the nineteenth dynasty clearly shows almond shaped eyes, and his nose is long like some Ethiopians and Somalis - this type also persists in parts of west Africa among the Fulla; the Hausa and the Tutsis - all black people. The mother of this legitimate king of Egypt - the Egyptologists firs prported came fom Nubia, as did the mother of his father Amenophis 111. The ancient Egyptians claimed thy emigrated from Punt in Somalia. There is to this day Puntland, one of the three divisions among the Somalis.

      Now regarding the bible; it is neither scientific opr historical. It is an attempt to justify a way of life that never really took place and China - which has an old and long recorded civilization does not have to reinvent the wheel. In this book, there are so truths, but is is clearly a religious view of the world that the Roman Empire had to endorse in order to save itself. There are no mention of Europe in the Old Testament; only allusions that people then ascribe to Europe. Syria is mentioned, Persia is mentioned; Ethiopia is mentioned; Egypt is mentioned, Egypt, but no mention of Greece - and of course Israel is mentioned - when then it was never a country. Therefore, it is merely an attempt to give some credence to a way of life, and concentrates specifically on the peoples around the epicentre of the events that supposedly took place in that area.

      The scientific and empirical evidence that Africa is the mother of the human race, supports the deliberations of the bible as an attempt to write a religious history of the world. Are we to suppose that Hebrew was the first language of mankind, and are there no other legitimate accounts of the origin of mankind, but the myth story found in the bible? And are we to believe that as the sun sets in the west; the west is suddenly the mother of Chinese civilizations when western civilization is a mere two thousand years old. But can see why the "Hans" are suddenly "Hams", that is semantics, poor understanding of linguistics - and the "Hams" , which is another myth are the ancestors of black people - who had a curse put on them by God(ie God told the writers of the bible that black people had a curse) Mean while, according to African genesis, Adam and Eve could not have been white, but black,as any DNA trace in the world can verify - unless of course they were albinos - of which there are millions in Africa - a third of them have yellow complexions - and of course, all their parents are black. Therefore, look before you leap; or you may leap into the abyss.

      PEACE

      Peace

      and all of their parents are black

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Yusz,

      Thank you. You can order the book at this site: http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/middlekingdom

      Take care!!!

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      Yusz Omar 5 years ago

      Hello Kenny.. I'm a Muslim from Malaysia but I think you have very good knowledge.. I think I will buy your book. I've done research for beginning Malay civilization and It ended to one of Joktan son's.. maybe I'll get some Idea when I read your book.. Thanks for your effort my friend..

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      Joe 5 years ago

      John 1:12-13

      12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God — 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

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      Joe 5 years ago

      Romans 1:16

      16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

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      Joe 5 years ago

      Colossians 2:9-10

      9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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      wiggleswiggles 5 years ago

      this is what you claim..Hi Choe Chang Ho, thank you for your insight. May I say to you: The Kingdom of God on earth is about unconditional love and righteousness to be transformed into act of sharing and caring for everyone. Communism and capitalism have no relevance to our living faith in Christ. Don't listen to people who label Jesus is a communist or capitalist. Jesus is neither! When he returns to rule earth, there is no need for money and trade. Everyone will live in abundance lacking nothing. All His people will live in love and peace-that is the only way people will live.

      The West had embraced Christianity longer than any countries in the world. In the Bible they were the Gentiles. They ended up carried the burden of the spreading of the Gospel to the world. The Jews had been given the first opportunity, but they rejected Jesus. The East did not receive the Gospel hundreds of years later than the West. Therefore, this is why you find the West had practiced sacred faith and laws of the Bible more than anyone, and which is reflected in their culture. The same Anglo-Saxon descendants had spread to America and they too had successfully spread the Gospels here.

      The Americans were once a steadfast believers of Christ. They even have "In God We Trust" on their dollar bill. The triumph of the West and American cultures are shaped by their faith in the Bible. This is why they're more blessed by God. Countries in the East must follow. Look at South Korea, the religious transformation there by Christianity has made her the model of Christianity in the Far East. Look how blessed S. Korea is now! Look at N. Korea. What a difference?

      Choe, pray for all East Asians to rediscover and embrace their biblical heritage which many don't know they're the children of God. God Bless

      The problem with you analysis here is that first of all Jesus said that the its easier for the camel to enter the straw then for the rich man to enter heaven! So saying that because they are Christians, God made them rich is really wrong, cause it would mean that God is proposely sending people to hell and or annihilation ! And as well many Christians in S.Korea are extremely hateful of people whom do not believe as they do, and treat Jesus as a magic Santa Claus whom will give them money if they tithe to their churches! Does that sound very Christian to you! Also, the God Shangdi is NOT your God of the bible, scriptions and Thirteen Classics, refers to the supreme god or a divine power regarded as the spiritual ultimate by the Chinese people from the Shang Dynasty. He controlled victory in battle, harvest, the fate of the kingdom, and the weather. Shang Di ruled a hierarchy of other gods controlling nature, as well as the spirits of the deceased.Shangdi was probably more transcendental than immanent, only working through lesser gods. ( see Zhao, Yanxia. Chinese Religion: A Contextual Approach) We DO NOT HAVE biblical heritage as you claim that is just Christian propaganda! Any attempt to try and prove Christianity with Hanzi is lame! the greatest mistake is that you have have made the beginner's mistake of seeing a semantic-phonetic compound as an element-indicative compound. The the vast majority of Chinese characters are compounds that include a phonetic element, as well as a semantic element. Here is some good reading "The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy", by John DeFrancis

      "Sources of Shang History" by David N. Keightley

      "The Composition of Common Chinese Characters: An Illustrated Account", from Peking University Press.

      Leon Wieger "Chinese Characters: Their origin, etymology, history, classification, and signification."

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Dear Pai Soo Yong,

      Thank you for your comment. I'd bought your book last Christmas but haven't finished reading yet. It was very inspiring and I thank you for wirting the book. I would love to be your friend, perhaps co-operate in research and writing about the origin of Chinese people. Please touch base with me by email: kenkwok@telus.net

      Re Cain: I don't see his line of descendants is the sole ancestors of Chinese people. I think some children from the line of Seth had also made it to China. Perhaps Seth's children were smaller number, but they had to be the messengers of monotheism in ancient China for they were from the line of faithful believers in one God. The children of Cain that had migrated to China would likely be idol worshippers, superstitious believers, and even atheists, for they came from a line of rebellous sinners.

      I believe the Bible's claim that the Deluge had destroyed all mankind except the Noah's family. The Bible clearly stated that the water level was high above all mountains. So all children from Cain and Seth that had settled in China would have been all killed. You could still argue that the first Chinese people were descendants of Cain prior to the Deluge. However, after the Deluge, all ancestors in everywhere in the world would have to come from Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

      There's no doubt that there was only one language before the Tower of Babel when God confused mankind with thousands of languages. And this happened to the descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth long after Cain's descendants had been destroyed by the Deluge.

      I hope this make sense to you. Please stay in touch.

      God Bless

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      Pai Yong Soo 5 years ago

      I came to your site prompted by a thought to find out: are Chinese descendants of Cain? I have written a book published by rosedogbookstore with the title: The Chinese in God' s Land or ????? I use basically four scripts ????. These four scripts have pictogram showing God, Blessing, Providence and Longevity are telling that the Chinese ancestors living with God in ShenZhou or ??? I was able to make linkage with the stories in the bible to interpret these four scripts after a breaking news by Gong Yu Hai in his research on shan hai jing or ???that Eden was located in Yunnan China. Please go to my videos parked at youtube under paifamily. I use richly Mr Richard Sears website on Chinese etymology. Yes, I was led to check this Cain information as I was trying to build up a story that if Cain was responsible for populating the Chinese, then the Chinese language must be God's language. In fact, there was one author whose name was unavailable from WBC which uploaded this video at one time. It may have been withdrawn but I can show you the website which still keeps the video if you want to view it. Perhaps if you click on God's Language Chinese you may see the website. I will be doing my version about this by emphasizing the four characters and Gong Yu Hai's claim. Your book is useful, but perhaps, there is need to search further whether or not the deluge affected China which was overshadowed by the sheer height of Himalaya mountains. That is to say, some Chinese might have lived and created story about Niwa patched the leaking heaven. Well, so much for the time being. I am at the face book under Pek T Oon. You are welcome to friend me. Thank you.

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Alexis, Ann, & Andy, sorry guys, I was out of town and unable to respond to all your comments. Thank you for all your feedback. But first reply to Alexis:

      The Shang people were the only clan in ancient China who believed in one god called Shang-Ti. There were many clans and tribes in ancient China. Ancient Chinese people didn't start with monotheism. Shang people were an emerging clan who took over the Xia people (they believed in many dieties) then the Shang ruled China. I'm inclined to think the Shang people were descendants from the children of Shem who had migrated there. Only the Shem people carried their monotheistic faith to whereever they went. But the Shang's monotheism had been corrupted by other superstitions and beliefs. So there was no transition from Chinese monotheism to diverse deities worshipping in ancient China. It was the corruption of faith by too many temptations that drawn them away from God.

      You're right, all descendants from Cain had died in the Deluge. After the Deluge, the Xiongnu and other foreign barbaric tribes would have to be descendants from either Shem, Ham, or Japheth. Obviously, they would come from Ham since he'd been cursed by Noah. Ham's descendants especially of Canaan were singled out to be the bearer of the curse. Their children must have fled to distant lands (China being one of them). So most likely they became the ancestors of many barbaric tribes in the East. I associated them with the line of Cain for they'd become like them turning against God and living a life of hate and blood.

      If evolution was the origin of all living speicies on earth, then God didn't have to create mankind through Adam and Eve. He could just let evolution do the job for Him. God can wait millions of years to see intelligent men arose out of evolution. Why bother to create? All evolution theory wanted to do is eliminating God as the Creator of everything. You know who's behind this?

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      Andy 5 years ago

      Hi Kenny

      I'm a new comer to researching the history and origins of the Chinese. Believing in the infallibility of Scriptures means that I also believe that the Chinese originated from the dispersion of nations after the confusion of the languages at the Tower of Babel. In my brief research so far I have come across some studies which suggest that the Chinese glyphs (written characters) show a resemblance to the narratives of the early chapters of Genesis. Have you come across these studies and if so would you agree with these findings?

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      Ann 5 years ago

      I was going through Genesis10 and out of curiosity googled to find out what is being said about the ancestors of the Chinese and chanced upon this site. Unfortunately I could only go through a few of the letters and it appears to me whichever of Noah's line the original settlers of any region came from they soon inter-married with later settlers and there must be Shem,Ham and Japheth in all of us.

      As to whether Canaan was really cursed, I would have to say that the curse did not come from God but from Noah. From what I have read so far, Ham's line did not seem to have been cursed at all. In fact it produced a mighty warrior in Nimrod. I started the search wondering if the conquerors could have pushed eastwards either to India or China. It would be interesting to speculate which of Noah'ssons we came from but it is most likely they would have been products of inter- marriage.

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      Alexis Q. 5 years ago

      Hi Kenny,

      Your post on this was really interesting as were all the comments. History is messy business and it's nice to see it unravel in different ways. A couple questions:

      As I understand you, the early Chinese people had a single deity. Yet this seems to conflict with the many other local gods sometimes unique to particular areas. How did this transition occur? I mean, I don't completely believe people would make up deities if they already have a superior one.

      You said you would link Xiongnu and other foreign tribes to "descendants from the line of Cain" but I don't see how that would be possible. Didn't everyone from Cain's line die in the Flood? Wouldn't that mean that the remaining people share Noah as an ancestor?

      I agree about the ridiculousness in Christians believing the ape-to-human evolution. Personally, I think that evolution in itself exists to a certain extent, but not that beings other than humans became human. After all, evolution is a theory, so some points may be valid while others are radical and iffy. That is, I think that some organisms may have evolved from others, but only in limited ways; for instance, jawless fish could have evolved into jawed fish, or even that amphibians evolved into reptiles. After all, these examples would be in accordance with the days of creation. However, organisms like plants turning into birds, or apes to humans is quite a stretch. It should be reinforced (in society) that the past is a mystery scientifically, and that there are many gaps in theories. There's a gap somewhere in our comprehension of life between the existence of apes and humans. We shouldn't try to connect everything in the same way because there are bound to be errors. Scientifically speaking. As a Christian, it should be obvious there are differences simply because Scripture said so.

      By the way, I loved how well the positive atmosphere was kept here from what I could tell from the comments. And nice job keeping the discussion alive for 2 years.

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Alisa, Buddhism originated in India. It was imported to China I believe 300+BC. Buddhism had diversed into different branches of Buddhism based religion in East Asia(Tibet, Thailand, Cambodia, Japan, China ....) In Japan, Zen Buddhism is very popluar and spread to the West. Original Buddhist priests and disciples are monks with shaved head. Even women monks have their heads shaved too. Since then it had become a tradition for Buddhist monks to wear bald head as symbol of their faith. Buddhist gods are elevated high priests and worship by their followers. Buddhists are not atheists. They believed the existence of gods and spiritual world. Hope that answer your question.

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      Alisa Guschin 5 years ago

      Where did Buddhism come from & why did (and still do) ppl think of that particular monk as a god-like symbol of "spiritual" atheism?

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      joyce bay 5 years ago

      hi Kenny

      Thanks

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      The Xiongnu or Hephthalite are not Israelites. Xion and Zion are just spelling conincidence. One of the chapters in my book talks about "The Tower of Babel" which will answer your question who the Xiongnu were. Xiongnu were blood thirsty and wicked barbarians that caused a lot of troubles to China. They were finally defeated by the Chinese army in the Han Dynasty and got pushed from the East fleeing to the West. There, they became the notorious Huns where a mighty warrior, Attila, arose and ruled them. They turned out to be a powerful enemy of the Romans.

      Many foreign tribes had wandered into pre-dynastic China including the Xiongnu and Hepthalite. I would link them to the descendants from the line of Cain rather than from the line of Shem who became the Isralites. They were chosen people of God, so unlikely to become Xiongnu who were savages and worshipped idols and demons.

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      joyce bay 5 years ago

      hi Kenny

      the Xiongnu or Hephthalite, the xionite mentioned in chinese history. I think they are the israelites. I google the word xionite and the israeli word and stuff seems to be connected. xion , zion? ...what do you think. The Hephthalites are associated with Huns, could the Huns be Israelites? Hephthalites, Ephthalites, is it the Ephrathites in the bible?

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Joyce,

      Thanks again for your feedback. Yes, I'm aware of the Y chromsone studies. Google "Dr Lin geneticist China". You'll find his research on this subject and his scientific conclusion on Chinese origin from Africa.

      You can go to http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/middlekingdom to order a copy of the book (print or ebook).

      I was originally from HK. Keep in touch!!!

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      joyce bay 5 years ago

      http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.137...

      thought u might be interested in this

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      joyce bay 5 years ago

      hi Kenny

      Thanks I do speak cantonese too. are u from Hong Kong. Is your book available in Singapore?

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Joyce,

      Thank you for your comment. Korean and Chinese are of the same remote ancestry-the Mongoloid race. Korean writing (Korean character) was derived from Chinese writing. Even now, some Chinese characters are being used by the Koreans. I speak Cantonese and some Mandarin. Blessing ....

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      joyce bay 5 years ago

      Hi Kenny

      i read with great interest and admire your perseverance in what you do.

      I was wandering do you speak any chinese dialects? I speak Teochew as my parents are teochews. I speak hokkien Teochew and mandarin and can understand some Hainanese. I watch Korean show so I learn Korean too thought I am not fluent but am amazed at the many similarity between Korean and Teochew , a chinese dialect. As such I thought hmm maybe Korean and Chinese have same ancestry. THAT IS until before i read this forum. I thought you might like to know. How strange when the two geograpgic locations are world apart. On top of that I think there are many common culture which i had observed in their TV series. I am a great fan of Korean serials.

      I did a google search i realised there are others like me who realised that too.

      http://koreanteochewlanguage.blogspot.com/2011/07/...

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      stan 5 years ago

      thanks kenny for the feedback, god bless!!

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      Kenny K 5 years ago from Canada

      Hi Stan, I was out of town. Sorry for my late response. Noah had 3 sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. We still do not know how these 3 lines of Noah's children diversed into different races. Shem was the forefather of the Jewish people, but being Jewish doesn't mean a person has to have brown skin, long nose, and hairy body. Ham was generally seen as the forefather of the black people and Asian. Japheth was seen as the forefather of the Caucasian people. The Chinese people are Mongoloids. Obviously, their facial characteristics are different from the typical Jewish people. But we cannot separate the heritage of the Jew simply by facial and characteristics, for all races came from Noah who repopulated the world after the Deluge. Believe in the same aith is the only criteria that counts.

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      stan 5 years ago

      hi kenny, the jews looked very different from chinese, skin colour, hair, nose,eye and they are hairy..

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      Daniel 6 years ago

      Thanks for the comment Kenny, that is very interesting!

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Daniel,

      Re Paul Phelp's article: The 12 jewel stones representing the 12 tribes of Israel are significant identification of who the tribes are. The white and green jade in China were seen as precious and magical stones by ancient Chinese. I often ask how did ancient Chinese learn and know so much about jades. Who told them the properties and value of jade? And how did they discover jade in the first place? The 12 jewel stones pointed out by Paul has shed light on this mystery.

      In one archaeological site of the Han Dynasty (200 BC+), a royal noble was buried and dressed in a chain mail of jade. No one knows why jades were used instead of gold except jade could probably be rare and precious, so it could represent the extreme wealth and status of the deceased noble. I think the dead noble might know the sacred knowledge of the religious symbol, origin and history of jade. Perhaps this was why he had a chain mail of jades prepared for his burial. He might be a religious person more than a royal noble.

      The lost tribes of Israel happened after the kingdom of Israel and Judah were destroyed where large number of Israelites were exiled and scattered all over the places. Their descendants might have wandered to ancient China and settled there. But I don't think they were the first migrants out of the biblical land to the East. However, their monotheistic religion and tradition had impacted the early Chinese profoundly. In some ways, the Jews and the Chinese think alike, and their family values are almost identical. I won't be surprised the Chinese race is one of the lost tribes of Israel.

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      Daniel 6 years ago

      Paul Phelps on THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL. Any comments?

      http://www.eifiles.cn/tt-en.htm

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      Ab 6 years ago

      hi Kenny,

      Hi Kenny,

      One of Noah's son is Ham. In the understanding of a person's name such as Ham. Ham is by nature a Black skin person. While Shem and Japheth are both light-skinned with slight variation.

      One need to learn Hebrew in order to understand Noah's sons names are linked to their skin colour. Ham's skin colour was Black in the initially before Noah place a curse on Ham's descendant.

      Since Ham was originally Black-skinned, it is NOT possible to say that Ham is known as Han in the Chinese context.

      One probability is that some Chinese people may come from "Clay" people. In Genesis, one of the name was known as "Clay".

      Another possible explantion to Noah's son being coloured (skin) people is the study of Epigenetics. Epigenetics could explain how Jacob and Esau are two different skin coloured when they were in womb of Rebekah.

      In Genesis, somehow, the author who wrote Genesis did not tell us at what age did Noah begat Shem, Japheth and Ham. The author just stated that when Noah was 500 yrs old, he begat three sons. Could Noah wife gave birth to triplets?? I really don't know.

      Be Bless!

      ab

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Ken,

      The three sovereigns (who are deities) in legendary Chinese history would probably be referring to the Holy Trinity rather than three mortals. Chinese legendary figures are humans and gods depending on the folklores passed down. Yellow Emperor is seen as a God King and a great earthly warrior who united predynastic China.

      Before the Deluge, there were only 2 lines of humans derived from the sons of Adam and Eve: Seth and Cain. Descendants from both lines all perished in the Deluge. So whether the Chinese people came from Cain or Seth really didn't matter. After the Deluge, Shem, Ham, and Japheth repopulated the earth. One of the ancestors of the Chinese people came from Shem line. Their descendants emerged as the Shang people in ancient China. The name Shem and Shang are close similar to your suggestion Nuwa and Naamah. The Shang people worship a supreme god called Shang-Ti which means "Heavenly Emperor". Only descendants from the line of Shem would carry their monotheistic faith to whereever they migrated to. The Shang people incepted the Shang Dynasty in early China. The Shang Dynasty is substantiated by archaelogical evidences and is the first dynasty in China supported by historical evidences. Dynasties and history prior to the Shang Dynasty are legends.

      Early Chinese people are a mixed race of all races that had wandered into China. The Shang people was one of the diversified people in early China. Therefore, they would have mixed with the children from Ham and Japheth that had migrated to China. This is why earliest Chinese people called their country "Middle Kingdom", the center of all nations.

      God Bless!

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      Ken Myers 6 years ago

      Thank you for your book. I also have an obsession with this topic. Consider this- Cain's descendant "Lamech." He had 3 sons and a daughter from 2 wives Adah and Zillah. Each son was credited with inventing something. The sister was Naamah. Strangely, there are 3 sovereigns in Chinese history and a sister Nuwa (which sounds like Naamah). Each sovereign is credited with inventing something. Cain was separated from Seth's family and must have lived someplace far away. I believe the Chinese might have come from the Cain line because of their very unqiue features that seem to be so different from Seth's (ultimately shem, ham, and japheth's) descendants.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Chang Ho,

      Thank you for your comment again. There're many mysteries in the remote past that are beyond our comprehension. God is the one who will reveal the truth to us if he chooses to do so at His time of choosing. Remember to trust him and do not lean on our own understanding. God holds the answer, not us.

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      Choe Chang Ho 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny

      I would like to interject here. But first, thank you for initiating this rich dialogue. I truly believe we are fulfilling the prophecies of Isaiah concerning the people of Sinim as well as Daniel's prophecy in Daniel 12:4 where many will run to and fro, and knowledge will be increased.

      Speaking of that latter prophecy, our modern state of knowledge was achieved in less than 400 years, yea, less than 100 years. In 1900 we were on horse and carriage, radio was unheard of, the idea of a global communication system was not even recognized as an "unknown". It was beyond human comprehension. And yet less than 100 years later it is as common as pig tracks in a barn yard.

      If you examine some ancient technologies you will discover the amazing facts that we used to engage in nuclear war in pre-flood times. We had plastics, batteries, razors, shoes, purses, all those cave paintings were highly detailed (not that I'm accusing you of being in the camp of evolutionary philosophy). The point I'm trying to make is, it doesn't take long for even man to launch himself to outer space. We used to have space travel! I'm sorry if that sounds incredible and I hope I have not lost credibility by saying these things!

      You must check out The Puzzle of Ancient Man, by Donald E. Chittick. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised, to say the least. When considering the ancient technologies, please consider them being mindful of the book of Ecclesiastes, "there is nothing new under the sun".

      Peace and Blessings,

      Chang Ho

      PS - As far as the time and the hour of the Master's return and the sharing and caring for everyone, I kindly advise all my friends (especially Jehovah's Witnesses) not to worry about that event. It arrives like a thief in the night. You are either ready or not. What we ought to worry about is the here and now. Yeshua said that not a jot or a tittle of the law shall be wiped away and that includes the statutes on the use of unjust weights and balances. Today our global financial systems operate on worthless paper representing promises to pay (in the form of real stuff like gold and silver, lumber, wheat, corn, beans, honey and oil)- this paper is the epitome of unjust weights and balances! The Chinese government is growing exceedingly impatient about the US Treasury continually monetizing the debt (which is only possible by paper money) and the private Federal Reserve which is the only real significant buyer of that monetized debt. China and Russia have agreed to trade oil denominated in Yuan, totally bypassing the US dollar! We've seen this before when Saddam threatened to deal in Euros only. We know what happened to him (and he was a known CIA asset). Sorry for the long postscript.

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      Choe Chang Ho 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny

      I would like to interject here. But first, thank you for initiating this rich dialogue. I truly believe we are fulfilling the prophecies of Isaiah concerning the people of Sinim as well as Daniel's prophecy in Daniel 12:4 where many will run to and fro, and knowledge will be increased.

      Speaking of that latter prophecy, our modern state of knowledge was achieved in less than 400 years, yea, less than 100 years. In 1900 we were on horse and carriage, radio was unheard of, the idea of a global communication system was not even recognized as an "unknown". It was beyond human comprehension. And yet less than 100 years later it is as common as pig tracks in a barn yard.

      If you examine some ancient technologies you will discover the amazing facts that we used to engage in nuclear war in pre-flood times. We had plastics, batteries, razors, shoes, purses, all those cave paintings were highly detailed (not that I'm accusing you of being in the camp of evolutionary philosophy). The point I'm trying to make is, it doesn't take long for even man to launch himself to outer space. We used to have space travel! I'm sorry if that sounds incredible and I hope I have not lost credibility by saying these things!

      You must check out The Puzzle of Ancient Man, by Donald E. Chittick. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised, to say the least. When considering the ancient technologies, please consider them being mindful of the book of Ecclesiastes, "there is nothing new under the sun".

      Peace and Blessings,

      Chang Ho

      PS - As far as the time and the hour of the Master's return and the sharing and caring for everyone, I kindly advise all my friends (especially Jehovah's Witnesses) not to worry about that event. It arrives like a thief in the night. You are either ready or not. What we ought to worry about is the here and now. Yeshua said that not a jot or a tittle of the law shall be wiped away and that includes the statutes on the use of unjust weights and balances. Today our global financial systems operate on worthless paper representing promises to pay (in the form of real stuff like gold and silver, lumber, wheat, corn, beans, honey and oil)- this paper is the epitome of unjust weights and balances! The Chinese government is growing exceedingly impatient about the US Treasury continually monetizing the debt (which is only possible by paper money) and the private Federal Reserve which is the only real significant buyer of that monetized debt. China and Russia have agreed to trade oil denominated in Yuan, totally bypassing the US dollar! We've seen this before when Saddam threatened to deal in Euros only. We know what happened to him (and he was a known CIA asset). Sorry for the long postscript.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Terry, I believe God created man and the universe. Everything created by God has a profound blueprint of His intelligent design. This is why man can learn and use His knowledge for the benefits of mankind. This is why we've car, airplane, space shutter, and so forth. Man's inventions are derived from the profound knowledge that God put into Earth: law of nature, law of physic, law of motion, law of etc etc. Yes, God can blink His eyes and whatever He desires will appear instantly. However, His thoughts are of the highest intelligence whereby a flicker of His thought contains His intelligent design. Man created time, carbon dating, and so fortth ... they may be of error ... but man's intelligence comes from God. God will correct man errors whenever He thinks is the right time to reveal the truth. If the older earth is wrong, then God will reveal to me the truth whenever He wishes to correct me.

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      terry lynn 6 years ago

      Kenny,

      So you chose to believe in an old earth based on carbon dating. There is evidence that carbon dating is faulty past a few thousand years. You chose man's invention over God's Word. The bible says that God spoke the universe into existence. Universe literally means one word. God spoke it, therefore it became to be.

      The God of the bible does not need time to create something.

      Here's the main point for me. An old earth theory works to find error in the bible. The bible can stand on its own merit. A literal rendition of it supports a young earth.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Yes TL, I don't believe in evolution of man from ape. An older earth doesn't mean man was part of the products of evolution. The 7 days of Genesis is a long process (thousands to millions of years) whereby God prepared all the perfect conditions on planet Earth for the coming of mankind. Man was created on the sixth day, the last of all creations. By the sixth day, the condition on Earth was perfect for God to put Adam in the Garden of Eden created for him. There is no conflict in older earth theory with the creation of man.

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      T Lynn 6 years ago

      Kenny K,

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to your other comments, you don't adhere to the theory of evolution, yet you believe in an older earth. This is puzzling; yet very convenient for research.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi T Lynn, sorry for my late response as I was out of town. Answer to your concern on Biblical chronology:

      If based on the biblical data in the Bible, mankind has a little over 6,000 years of earth history. If based on scientific carbon datings, the earth existed millions of years ago. I beleive in an older earth. There're so much variables to conclude any accurate dates quoted by my readers on this hub. I respect their view and do my best to discuss openly if necessary. Thank you.

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      T Lynn  6 years ago

      Kenny K,

      Thank you for your biblical perspective. In order to have a sane historical discussion, the same chronology must be used among the participants. A literal rendering of the Judeo/Christian bible puts the flood at 2,348 B.C. All history prior to that we cannot know except for what the bible tells us. Thank you for your research on this matter and for your unswerving determinism.

      When someone comes up with an alternate chronology, I love your response: based on what?

      Many pre-flood theories are very intriguing, and I find myself wishing they were true; some things were meant to remain a mystery.

      Your post-flood logic also seems to be spot on. Truly, reality has plenty of intrigue all its own.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Choe Chang Ho, thank you for your insight. May I say to you: The Kingdom of God on earth is about unconditional love and righteousness to be transformed into act of sharing and caring for everyone. Communism and capitalism have no relevance to our living faith in Christ. Don't listen to people who label Jesus is a communist or capitalist. Jesus is neither! When he returns to rule earth, there is no need for money and trade. Everyone will live in abundance lacking nothing. All His people will live in love and peace-that is the only way people will live.

      The West had embraced Christianity longer than any countries in the world. In the Bible they were the Gentiles. They ended up carried the burden of the spreading of the Gospel to the world. The Jews had been given the first opportunity, but they rejected Jesus. The East did not receive the Gospel hundreds of years later than the West. Therefore, this is why you find the West had practiced sacred faith and laws of the Bible more than anyone, and which is reflected in their culture. The same Anglo-Saxon descendants had spread to America and they too had successfully spread the Gospels here.

      The Americans were once a steadfast believers of Christ. They even have "In God We Trust" on their dollar bill. The triumph of the West and American cultures are shaped by their faith in the Bible. This is why they're more blessed by God. Countries in the East must follow. Look at South Korea, the religious transformation there by Christianity has made her the model of Christianity in the Far East. Look how blessed S. Korea is now! Look at N. Korea. What a difference?

      Choe, pray for all East Asians to rediscover and embrace their biblical heritage which many don't know they're the children of God. God Bless You!

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      JL 6 years ago

      Greetings,

      Before anyone misread thus misunderstand that, please kindly note again that Joseph is not Yeshua.. Joseph was also a man, but Yeshua is The Ha'Mashiach!

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      Choe Chang Ho 6 years ago

      Good day everyone, hope you are all in good spirits and having a great day. I am a descendent of the Korean tribes and have been studying the Biblical laws and how they influenced mighty nations in the past. My research has uncovered the Anglo-Saxon systems of law to be the closest example of a nation practicing Biblical law by the light of Yeshua our Savior. Please look up such things as "The Lord's Day Act", "English Common Law", "Magna Carta", "Lord Alfred's Dooms", and contrast that to the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto. Compare gold and silver as money with the above mentioned manifesto. Someone here said Yeshua was a communist. If that were so, he would be advocating the use of unjust weights and balances (paper money). But neither is he a pure capitalist because the law of Moses (which stands today - see Matt 5:17-18) provides for the fatherless, orphans, and widows.

      That being said, I do believe we have Biblical roots as well, and it is very refreshing to read the comments here to commence my personal research into my own bloodline. Thanks to all of you. Yah Bless!

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      JL 6 years ago

      but which God?... HE is the Mighty One of Jacob!

      :)

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      JL 6 years ago

      Isaiah 49

      18. Lift up your eyes, look around and see; All these gather together and come to you. As I live,” says the LORD, “ You shall surely clothe yourselves with them all as an ornament, And bind them on you as a bride does. (destroyers became tamed brides for Made in China! and debts)

      debts = binding bonds, t-bonds etc.

      Spain and Greece recently had become two of the brides of many more to come (read the news!, eg. China vows to keep buying Spain's debt), let's see those prophecies unfolding more one by one soon, time will tell... much like when Joseph saves his brothers and other peoples in Egypt during the famine/recession?...

      Sooooo true... Thanks G-d!!!

      :D

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      Earliest Civilization 6 years ago

      Chin,

      About the Goguryeo and Gojosun's remains rebuilt in Ming's style, the remains had existed until the government themselves destroyed and rebuilt in Ming's style. That is to say, they are intentionally and systematically destroying other asian culture under the motto "One China" which is fake.

      China's cultural genocide is so obvious that it is difficult not to recognize if you are interested in Asia culture. Look at Uygurs and Tibet where western journalists was expelled in order to prevent their reporting or think about why Manchu's(Qing dynasty's) language has been completely vanished just a few decades after Qing dynasty had been demolished. When other ethnics had ruled Asia even under Mongol and Manchu dynasty (Won and Qing dynasty) both of which were one of the strongest dynasty in human history, all other asian cultures had survived together, but after the communist government has ruled, every other cultures are being vanished very fast.

      Chinese government's cultural genocide is so obvious. If you love china, you have to look at the fact directly so that you can make things better. Ignoring isn't a good way.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Sure Kenny, I pray for Israel and China from time to time. We need Yeshua's goodness and mercy for the blessed life of joy and peace forever. God bless you too

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      LCC, you know I hope the rapture comes soon, for I'm sick and tired of this dangerous world. More and more Chinese in China believe the Lord, but majority of Chinese are still unsaved. You love China, LCC. Pray for her all the time will you? God Bless You!

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Kenny, that's just a friendly reminder before it happened, as He means it :

      Isaiah 49 : 25-26

      25 But thus says the LORD: “ Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, And the prey of the terrible be delivered; For I will contend with him who contends with you, And I will save your children. 26 I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh, And they shall be drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine. All flesh shall know That I, the LORD, am your Savior, And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      LCC, God protects all nations. UFO/nukes are off the topic for this hub please. I respect your love for China.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      I know that the link below for some UFO videos are off-topic, but somehow I could see God interventions to protect China, the ancient-nation, during the Cold War in 1967 (after two were allowed on Japan in 1945, but in 1967 Japan was already one of their allies), by using UFO and/or UFO's conspiracy excuses from their own staffs (the insiders) to no-go the nuke attacks on China.

      China was the highly likely target for the nuke attacks in 1967 due to the high involvements in both Korea and Vietnam wars. Unlike Russia, China in those days still got no equal nukes to counter or at least to bluff-back those nukes potential threats.

      Btw, I hate wars and stop all the nukes, please?

      http://wn.com/UFO_might_have_saved_China_from_a_nu...

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      Chin 6 years ago

      Hi E C,

      I accept your explanation that you did not intend to claim greatness of one civilization over another.

      Here is a verse we have to bear in mind whenever we delve into genealogies: 1 Timothy 1:4

      ”….nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.”. Idle speculations serve no purpose except leading to disputes and controversies.

      I don’t understand your rants against the Chinese government. If you have done your research and found concrete evidence on cultural genocide, expose them. Do not simply hear and repeat others’ groundless allegations. I am not a Chinese national, so I have no interest to defend them. But I try to see things from their point of view. China is a big and diverse country. Its government aims for racial harmony to ensure social stability (in a way to perpetual its rule, that is understandable). So it adopted an inclusive policy calling all its citizens within its borders, Chinese (correct in the political sense). All 55 ethnic minorities are included. So ethnic Koreans are called Chinese of Korean descent, even Russians are called Chinese and so forth. This is quite similar to the U.S. Following that logic, all historical relics dug up and historical events which took place within its border were considered part of Chinese history. What else you expect them to call?

      If the Chinese rebuilt historical architecture which had long gone, to enhance the tourism, it is for the tourists to decide whether what they are seeing are faithful replica to the original in details. I wouldn’t call it manipulation perhaps commercialization is a better term.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Hi Guys, I also believe that through the belief of Ha'Mashiach, China Korea and Japan could be united-in-peace one day, of mutual respects in Christ.

      I support that if Korea send more Gospel messengers to China and also to Japan.

      Joktan has 13 (thirteen) sons, thats more than one, or many to choose to be correctly identified as one of the ancient ancestors of the East Asians, so no need to fight over them hahaha

      http://www.eifiles.cn/oo-en.htm

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      Earliest Civilization  6 years ago

      About the Bible chapter saying about old people in the East, it is from a conversation between Jesus and his disciples, but I cannot remember the exact chapter.

      Chin,

      I don't say who is blessed and who's not. As Kenny said, we all can be saved through Jesus, and as Jesus said no one proclaiming his greater than others cannot be greator than others.

      What I trying to say is if we have to know something about the Bible, we have to look at the truth under all manipulations.

      If you are a chinese and interested in asia history, You would already know that the chinese government is detroying "Gojosun's" and "Goguryeo's" remains and rebuilding those in a Ming's style to insist that Gojosun and Goguryeo was not a Korea but a China. If we like to know about the origin of the East asia, we should stop all those manipulations.

      Those manipulations are basically what all communist governments do. So, I don't blame common innocent chinese. We are all brothers under God.

      And many Korean believers are going to China and trying to deliever Jesus' Good News to China in order to share the Bless in spite of all the suppressions of the government.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Chin, we must all share our theory/claim with an open and tolerant mind. We're all brothers in Christ. God allows different of opinions within the body of Christ. We should always ask "what if". May be there is where the door to truth opens.

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      chin 6 years ago

      Hi Earliest Civilisation,

      You wrote:"I am not sure, but if Joktan is the ancestor of Korean, it all makes sense…But sinic china doesn’t fit anything with Joktan." From your writing, I can deduce that you are a Korean who is TOO proud of ancestry and use your unsubstantiated theory to put down other people. What so great if (only if) you can prove (not yet) Joktan was your ancestor? Are you trying to claim some share of the blessings promised to the Hebrews/Israelites/Jews. So what, if sinic china has nothing to do with Joktan? Does that assertion make the Chinese a lesser people? Maybe in your mind only. All men descend from Noah unless one do not believe in the Bible.

      We read up on ancient history to learn more of our forebear and origin of our cultural make-up. If among our ancestors, there were some great men who achieved great things, we have the right to be proud but that pride should be directed to our ancestors in due respect. I would consider it as racism if one uses this knowledge to put down other people in a condescending manner. Time doesn’t stand still. Past glories belong to the past, new history is made by the present generation. Does the world now looks up to Egypt for direction just because it was one of the earliest civilisation? You can substitute Korea to my last question if you have convinced yourself that it was the earliest civilisation. Likewise reflected glory fades. Only children like to boast to other children who their parents are and what they owned. Each man is judged by his own achievements.

      If you think you have great historical discovery please do expound your thoughts in details as Kenny suggested, in a book or series of articles giving verifiable sources and evidence. I will be interested to read and to hold you in high regards if your research make sense.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      LCC, good question!

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      LCC 6 years ago

      EC, you said Bible says there is OLD people who will be revealed near the end time from the East and their language is different from other nations.

      Could you tell me on which chapters and verses in the Bible that says that please? I'm very interested to know.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Earliest Civilization. I hope you can write out your stuffs in a book, article, or on a webstie and share it with people (including me) who are interested in the significance of earliest Korean culture that had impacted the rise of Chinese civilization. I think you've a profound message to share with both Korean and Chinese people. You've stirred up my interest in early Korean history. I'll research and study your culture to learn more about earliest Korean culture. It is good to learn new information from you. I'm open to the origin of Chinese people being influenced by early Korean people. This can be a significant finding. Thank you. Keep in touch with you, will you?

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      Earliest Civilization  6 years ago

      For my last comment, some of Israel already recognised the similarity between ancient Korean and ancient Israel, so they insisted that Korean first nation written in history, “Gojosun”, who proclaimed they built GOD’s city in the East could be the Dan’s tribe of 12 Israel. The similarity between ancient Israel and ancient Korea is so obvious, even the laws of Gojosun was almost same as Moses’ 10 commandments except that in Gojosun’s law 2 commandments were omitted from Moses’.

      However, Gojosun was earlier than Mose, Chronicle comparison shows the establishment of Gojosun and migration of Joktan were perfectly matched. So, some people guess that Gojosun was found as unification of preexisting Hongshang culture in the East and Joktan from the West.

      Bible says there is OLD people who will be revealed near the end time from the East and their language is different from other nations. I cannot tell for sure, but Korea is practically and geometrically the End of the East. Korea was the last nation that practically didn’t revealed to the West by 19C. And Korean and Japanses language(who is a decendent of Bakjae, one of ancient Korea as many of the West scholars are confirming recently. Jerad Diamond says Japanese language was derived from an ancient Korean language.) are the only independent language that are nation-wise being used in the world.

      I am not sure, but if Joktan is the ancestor of Korean, it all makes sense…But sinic china doesn’t fit anything with Joktan.

      I wish good lucks for your study and God bless you.

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      Earliest Civilization 6 years ago

      By the way, I am not saying that Korean is superior to Chinese. Actually, all the histories have up and down. Sometimes china was far greater than Korea. What I am saying is that we have to look at the true history under all the manipulations.

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      Earliest Civilization 6 years ago

      "The fact is Chinese civilization is 2000 years behind the above two oldest civilization. The misconception came from the discovery of very old archaelogical sites unearthed in China that predated the appearance of the Sumerians and Egyptians. So Chinese people thought they were the earliest people of all. But those sites unearthed are sites of prehistoric humans (paleolithic time) when mankind didn't have any form of culture at all. If we use this dating to determine who started the first culture before any other people in the same region, then it'll be very misleading."

      This is not true.

      The only reason China insists that they are the oldest civilization is because the discovery at the “Hongshan” culture in about 1960’s which is a pretty recent discovery in archaeology. By 90’s China had insisted that Sinic Chinese was originated from southern area of the Yellow river and that all the people north of the Chinese wall were barbarian. And they insisted hongshang culture is just primitive and not Chinese. But, as many of Bronze Age’s archaeological discoveries have been found at the Hongshang area (BC 5000), they are changing the whole history and insisting some of ancient korea were China which is a ridiculous argument. If you think Hongshang Culture is just Paleolithic, look at the bronze swords that have been found and huge pyramids in the Xian area that is thought built by Hongshang culture. Some of them are even bigger than pyramid in Egypt but Chinese government doesn’t allow investigating.

      As “jared diamond” explains in his book, “gun germs and steel”, in ancient time, the North Asian was culturally more advanced than the South who is sinic Chinese, and most of asian cultures like writing system, law, and religions were from the North east asia. Now many of scholars are trying to recover that destroyed and hidden history, and if we like to know the biblical origin of the far east asian, we have to know what the true history of Asia is rather than just accepting what the communist government manipulated for a political reason.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Thanks Kenny, I guess now I know that the name Hebrew and Hebrews people started from Eber onwards, the father of both Peleg and Joktan.

      Now I wonder, why Chinese people call their great ancestor something like Jok-Tai/Jok-Dai or Jok-Kong/Jok-Gong, and the ancestors' genealogy family book something like Jok-Po. Maybe unknowingly (today) that they are actually referring to their great ancient ancestor, Joktan?

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Earliest Civilization, are u the same guy as Asia History who commented few weeks back?

      I've a few Korean friends and I respect them very much. Korean culture is a very ancient culture and Korean people are one of the nicest and beautiful people in the world. However, they're very different from Chinese. Many Chinese thought China has the oldest civilizations in the world earlier than Sumer and Egypt. The fact is Chinese civilization is 2000 years behind the above two oldest civilization. The misconception came from the discovery of very old archaelogical sites unearthed in China that predated the appearance of the Sumerians and Egyptians. So Chinese people thought they were the earliest people of all. But those sites unearthed are sites of prehistoric humans (paleolithic time) when mankind didn't have any form of culture at all. If we use this dating to determine who started the first culture before any other people in the same region, then it'll be very misleading.

      China cannot claims that she is the cradle of civilization in the Far East. However, her culture is indigenous and developed over 5,000 years. Earliest people in China were not a homogenous people. There were many ethnic groups (East and West), including earliest Korean people, had mingled together. I'm open to earliest Korean people had impacted and contributed to the beginning of Chinese civilization. But Korean were not the only ones that had synergized with the diversity of people in early China.

      East Asians, especially north East Asian people, are brothers and sisters and classified under the Mongoloid race. We must offer each other grace and appreciation for each other culture. No race is perfect. Modern China, being a communist country, is doing her best to be a more liberal and tolerant society. China is now a communist country on paper. China's past is not perfect but so do many countries' past. Criticism is mutual. Look at North Korea. Does it makes the South Koreans a great people when their brothers in the north is threatening the world and South Koreans with nuclear weapon? Who is manulipating the world? Be fair in your comment. I love Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian, and Siberian. We're a great people together in the East!

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi LCC, I read the article a few years back when I did my research. I'd contacted the author too and also Mike, the web owner of annomundi.com. He'd been quiet for a few years but recently resurfaced, and emailed me his latest newsletter. Anyway, the Joktan article is interesting. I've my own theory too for my second book. Good Job LCC!

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      Earliest Civilzation 6 years ago

      Some scholars say that is ridiculous as if Roman insists on being Jew for Roman had lived at one point where Jew lived.

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      Earliest Civilzation 6 years ago

      Using the term "China" when searching the origin of the East Asians is really not relevant. That is just like following the modern communist china's political Sinicization of all the other East Asians.

      Moreover, the earliest civilization in the East Asia wasn't Sinic chinese from Yellow river but "HongShang" culture (approx. BC 5000 even earlier than Sumer) that most of non-chinese scholars believe as the earliest Korean ancestor based on archeological foundings that show evidently ancient korean culture like jades, korean bronze sword, Dolmen, etc. Thus, most of scholars think the HongShang culture was related with "Gojosun" or "Beadal" that was the first Korean nation in written history. And the religion for Shang-Dai wasn't originated from Sinic China but ancient Korea that Ming dynasty which was one of Sinic china officially admitted.

      In the early time in the East Asia, actually ancient "Dong-I" which was the ancestor of Korean, Manchurian, and other Far-north east Asians was culturally more advanced than Sinic China who is Far-South east Asian, and Sinic chinese admired "Dong-I" as "Sage's land". Even, Chinese letters had been made by one of "Dong-I".

      I know common Chinese people are great, but we should be careful not being mis-informed as Sinicization of all the other East Asians that Chinese communist government is manipulating in a political reason. If you are interest in East Asian history, look for how the modern china is manipulating the whole Asian histories. You would be surprised in that how non-chinese culture and history could be manipulated as Sinic culture. Some scholars say that is ridiculous as if Roman insists on being Jew.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Hi Guys, did some googling and got this:

      http://www.annomundi.com/history/forgotten_history...

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Good point LCC!

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny, thanks for the ref.

      I was just thinking that since Noah brought all living things with him to survive the great flood, whether they're good or bad creatures, all were brought in pairs like cattles or wild beasts etc. so he might as well brought with him the Seth's (his own) and the Cain's descendants to survive too. Because even Cain's had sinned but still God has promised to preserve him, and if his descendants was not brought along, that means his offsprings, curses etc. had finished and invalid forever after the flood.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      LCC, I'd thought about the wives of the 3 sons of Noah might not be from Shem's line too. However, Shem's line had strict racial law so to speak that they must not married outsiders. This tradition was re-imposed to the Israelites during their exile in the desert by God. Read the Book of Exodus, Number, 1&2 Chronicle. So our suspicion of the wives would be wrong.

      The curse of Ham is really the curse on Canaan, the youngest son of Ham. Why? Nobody knows. There is a suggested theory by a Bible scholar I read (forgot the name) that Canaan was the offspring of Ham and his mother (i.e. Noah's wife), so this was why Noah cursed Canaan. But this is just a theory. Because Ham was the father, so he took the curse on behalf of his sons. I encouraged you to read the Old Testament in the Bible and see if God will reveal and inspire you more. The Bible is the answer to all our questions. God Bless!

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Chin, we're talking about the line of Seth and Shem to Noah, not about the entire mankind. Obviously, descendants of Cain were not Hebrews. If as you said Hebrew might be the first language of mankind, then what would you call all people at that time who spoke Hebrew? Hebrew is ancestral language of the Jew. I agree we can't call all people who spoke Hebrew in Seth to Noah's time Hebrews. But we're talking here about the line of Seth to Noah and excluding all other people. So If they spoke Hebrew as their language, they could be called Hebrew although is debatable. After the Tower of Babel, thousands of new languages emerged, so division of mankind begun not by race but by language. Whether or not the original Hebrew language had retained after Babel is unknown. The line of Shem could be speaking a new version of Hebrew or continuing speaking in the original Hebrew. Anyway, this is a very debatable topic and we need not indulged in he says she says is right or wrong when no one has the final proof. I respect your point of view.

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      chin 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny

      In your reply to LCC, you stated that “Before Abraham, they were all Hebrews.”

      I do not agree on this. From Adam all the way to Noah then to the time of Tower of Babel, there was one language and perhaps one race, we do not know what was that original language or race. From the fact that all the antediluvian patriarchs had names that had meaning in Hebrew words, I can say that Hebrew is fair close to the first language. Division of languages happened after the Tower of Babel. The first use of the word Hebrew in the Bible is in Gen 14.13 referring to Abram as a kind of tribal or maybe linguistic identity. Abram was born after the Tower of Babel. During his time, there were other tribal groups in existence – Egyptian, Canaanites and Hitties. To say that the Hebrews’ ancestors were Shem, Noah and Seth is correct but in reverse to say that the Shem, Noah and Seth were Hebrews is wrong. Likewise Chinese can say that their ancestors were Noah and ultimately Adam but they cannot claim that Adam and Noah were Chinese.

      Technically, all that descended from Abram can be called Hebrews but somehow as the Biblical records progress the term became synonym to Israelites and subsequently to Jews. In Gen 25.6 Abraham sent all his other sons eastward away from Isaac, the promised heir. Perhaps by separation these sons adopted different tribal identities (e.g. Midianites) while their languages evolved into other Middle Eastern languages like Arabic. In my opinion, the promised line of descendents faithfully held on the Hebrew identity while the others branched out into many nations of different identities. Chinese can only claim to be Hebrews if it can be proven Huangdi or Yandi descended from one of the names listed in Gen 25:1-16.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Kenny, you are the true scholar, with an open mind for searching the truth, the Biblical truth. I will be glad if I could become one someday.

      Now I even suspect that one-or-two of Noah's daughter in law (his sons' wives) are from Cain's descendants, not Seth's descendants as Noah is. Cain was cursed because he killed Abel but also preserved with a distinguish mark on his forehead. I suspect she is Ham's wife or less likely Japheth's wife. Because both Shem and Japheth are blessed, and also Ham in the beginning because he is also from Seth, but it is after Ham wrongdoing that the curse comes into play combined with his wife curse as the descendants of Cain.

      I'm not sure about the Shang people, but from their believe of Shang-Dai, sounds very much the same as Shaddai, the One Supreme God, most likely they are from the line of Shem, or maybe Shem is Shennong himself?

      God bless you too Brother!

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi LCC, Shem, Ham, and Japheth came from the same father, Noah. Their descendants diversified into different tribes, but they all had same bloodline. Seth is the earliest patriarch directly from Adam. I think what you're asking is when did the descendants of Seth all the way to Shem and to Abraham called themselves Hebrew? The name Hebrew is just a name to identify a people who carry the faith of Judiasm. It is like the name Christian is just a name to identify people who believe in Jesus Christ. There'll be western Christians and eastern Christians, so to speak, but after all they're all Christians.

      LCC, the biblical origin of Chinese people is very hard to nail down to one specific ancestor such as the Hebrew. The Shang people in early China believed in Shang-Ti, the supreme god. The Shang people were likely the descendants from the line of Shem. The name Shang could be the new name of Shem after the Towel of Babel where new languages diversified. What do you think?

      LCC, you're a scholar. I encourage you to research and write your theory out and share with everyone interested in this topic. Truth comes out from diversified theories. There is no one theory that can explain everything. Mine is just one of the many theories before God reveals the truth to us. God Bless You Brother!

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Thanks Kenny for the explanations, but I'm a little bit confused of some of these:

      - (Before Abraham, his Hebrew ancestors were Shem, Ham, and Japheth)...I thought the Hebrews are only from Shem? I'm not sure about Ham and Japheth but I think they are not Hebrews? no?

      - (And before them were Seth and so on till Noah)...I think Seth is much earlier than Noah, he is the third sons of Adam and Eve, after Cain killed Abel. Seth is the 2nd generation of human (before the flood) and the only Seth's descendants survived after the flood is only Noah and his family (only 8 of them).

      - (After Jacob named Israel, the Hebrews became Israelites)...because not all Hebrews became Israelites, the Eastern Hebrews eg. from the line of Joktan probably were not became Israelites. Therefore, I guess this is the common general mistakes, that it is harder for the East Asians to search their origins in the Bible, because when searching they didn't search as East Hebrews as they were before they are East Asians today...

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi LCC, thanks for the feedback. Jews traced their root to ancient Hebrews. They're descendants of Abraham. Before Abraham, his Hebrew ancestors were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And before them were Seth and so on till Noah. Before Abraham, they were all Hebrews. After Jacob named Israel, the Hebrews became Israelites. After King David, Israel divided into the kingdom of Judah and the kingdom of Israel. People from Judah called themselves Jew. However, both Jews and Israelites came from the same bloodline of Shem who was Hebrew. The name Jew is now widely referred to people who carry the faith of Judiasm. The name Israel is retained for the modern nation of both Hebrews and Jews.

      You're right that the origin of the Chinese people came from ancient Hebrews if you want to use that racial name. Referring to Jew is okay too since it is widely recognized. In modern time when people refer to Hebrew, they often refer to it as the language of the Jew. Therefore, Jewish language is Hebrew.

      The earliest ancestors of Chinese people came from time much earlier than Abraham who was believed to be born around 2800 BC (debatable).

      Thanks LCC for your input.

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      LCC 6 years ago

      (pls edit): Thus, ancient China and medieval China, was formed also from the ancient-Hebrews (Eastern/Oriental Hebrews) migrations, the medieval-Hebrews (the Joes/Joseph, eg. the 10-lost tribes), and the medieval-Jews (Western Hebrews) migrations, of some waves of migrations, since the pre-dynastic China (the ancient Hebrews) until the dynastic China (eg. the Kaifeng Jews in the Song dynasty).

      I believe Abraham is both the Western and Eastern Hebrew, as the Bible says that he is the father of many nations (historically, he was called and moved from the east to further west).

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      LCC 6 years ago

      Please correct me if I'm wrong:

      Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, are Hebrews, the Western Hebrews.

      Jacob is a Hebrew, and later named Israel.

      Israel has 12 (twelve) sons, one of them is Judah (or Jewdah).

      The Jews are named after Judah, not before. Before Jewdah, they were Hebrews.

      Hence, the other sons of Jacob (or Israel) such as Joseph, Levi, etc. are supposed to be called the Hebrews, not the Jews.

      Jews are Hebrews, but Hebrews are not necessarily Jews, if they are not from Judah's descendants.

      Thus, ancient China and medieval China, was formed also from the ancient-Hebrews (Eastern/Oriental Hebrews) migrations and the medieval-Jews (Western Hebrews) migrations of some waves of migrations since the pre-dynastic China (the ancient Hebrews) until the dynastic China (eg. the Kaifeng Jews in the Song dynasty).

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Chin, thanks for your comment. My book is about the bibilcal origin of the Chinese people, therefore, about the earliest people who migrated to China from the biblical land. I believe some sons and descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth had all migrated to early China. They were the earliest humankind after the Deluge. Their original mtDNA and Y Chromosome would come from Noah and his wife and their sons' wives. All previous mtDNA and Y Chromosome before the Deluge including the earliest prehistoric humans would have been destroyed after the flood, thus, the genes pool after the Deluge would start from Noah and their sons and wives. We can't argue that if believe mankind had been repopulated by Noah and his sons after the Deluge.

      The children and descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth had mixed with each other, so diversity of races begun after human population expanded. Those who had migrated to China might had carried mixed genes already. So there is no use arguing how to define who is the pure Chinese race by mtDNA and Y Chromosome.

      What is most important is who were the earliest ancestors of Chinese people who carried the faith of Yahweh to pre-dynastic China? Shem's descendants were the earliest Chinese people who believed in one God whom they called Shang-Ti. Second are the descendants of Japheth who also believed in Yahweh but less steadfast in faith than the Shemites. Ham's descendants are the most rebellous of all.

      Han Chinese are the dominant people in China. I believe they carried the mixed genes of Shem, Japheth, and Ham after 5,000 years of cultural and racial synergy. It is difficult to identify who are the pure descendants of Shem. And we may never know. My book focuses on the earliest ancestors of Chinese people from biblical perspective.

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      Chin 6 years ago

      Hi Kenny,

      I am a Chinese and am interested to read more about the research works you have done on this subject.

      I have some comments:

      I think you need to set your perimeter or definition on who are these Chinese people you are writing about. If you are referring to the Chinese in the political or nationalistic sense, they include all the people of diverse ethnicity living within the border of People’s Republic of China. It is a genealogical forest out there instead of a tree with many branches. It would defeat the purpose the writing because I am sure your conclusion would be that the Chinese people originated from the line of Shem, Japheth and Ham as everybody else in the world (provided one believes in the biblical origin of nations).

      If you are referring to the majority ethnic Han Chinese, there are also major differences between the northern and southern Han Chinese. Adding to this complication, is the choice between paternal and maternal roots of genealogy. Among the Hans are many who look like Hans and speak like Hans but whose Y chromosome are of foreign origins. These are the descendents of male foreigners who had settled and married local Hans women and after several generations of cultural assimilation and continual intermarriage with Hans group, have almost 99.9% body and mind of Hans except for the foreign Y chromosome. You face this dilemma – to include them would uncover another forest.

      I quote your statement from one of the exchanges above: :Chinese people originated from the line of Shem and Japheth, but there is element of Ham mixed after 5,000 years of history. Chinese people carry the bloodline of our ancient Jewish ancestors.”

      Chinese people originated from the line of Shem and Japheth : True, if you refer to people living in PR of China. True, if based on maternal roots. Also true, when assimilated foreigners are included. But if based on Y chromosome, it is either Shem or Japheth, not both since they were brothers.

      Chinese people carry the bloodline of our ancient Jewish ancestors : Chronologically incorrect. The Chinese are said to be descendents from Yellow Emperor who lived around 2800BC to 2300BC. The Jews are descendents of Israel (Jacob) who lived around 1900BC. True only if you are refering to those Chinese of Jewish descent living in Kaifeng.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Thanks Joes. Happy New Year To You And Your Family!!!

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      Joes 6 years ago

      Kenny, I agree more to this : God often uses the fool to shame the wise, "if" the wise did something bad and evil. Good and evil is a freewill choice of an individual, while Average IQs is the genetic IQ pool (in-born blessing, no choice) of all individuals of a nation.

      Putting the political correctness aside, if given the same resources and opportunities, the Jews and China would lead the world in future civilization of science, inventions, techs and so on where enough brains are required, this is common sense as facts, while this could also proof who is closer to whom in IQ's traits.

      I believe China is closer and related to the Jews somehow... (Joktan/Eastern Hebrew)

      Happy New Year 2011. God bless you.

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Hi Joe, interesting comment. However, blessing from God is not about who is smarter. It was the furit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that Adam and Eve ate that caused the fall of mankind. Wisdom is both a blessing and a curse. Wiser, smarter, or clever doesn't make a person a good person. Go for higher IQ in love, forgiveness, and righteousness, he/she, no matter what race the person comes from, will be the most blessed-That's all it counts in my book! Remember, God often uses the fool to shame the wise. The most blessed people are the ones God loves the most. God Bless you!

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      Joes 6 years ago

      Average IQs : Jews = 120, China = 110, Caucasians = 100, India = 80 and the Rest of the World = 60 - 90.

      I think it isn't hard to guess who is the most blessed, second, third and so on... (in the long run)

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      Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

      Dear Friend, God loves you whether you're a Chinese or not. God loves those who believe in Him. Take care!

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      chineseperson 6 years ago

      okay what you said has made sense.. my heart has too much evil for saying such things. Your phrase about god differentiating people in those who believe in him and those who do not strikes great sense into me