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People are Saints too, or is it Saints are people too?

Updated on February 10, 2013

And when the Saints come marching in - I want to be in that number

If we look for saints we find them
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Real People have Real Problems

Saints are people too. I don’t much care for the whole notion of a Catholic church deciding who is a saint and who is not. Somehow inside me that built up a blockage. I did not hold the Saints in high regard and felt rituals in their honor were trivial. But today I was reading some homilies by a bilingual Friar out of Texas. (note that Mexican Catholics revere Saints quite loudly and seriously)

He wrote of 3 Saints; Augustine, Assisi and Theresa. But he spoke of them in very human terms as though he personally knew them. He recognized some of their problems and he spoke of their internal struggle to overcome. Of course he included Job’s lament as reference.

So today, I start to try and learn a little more about the Saints, clearly each has a lesson that would be well to learn.

But most importantly I will strive hard to look for the saint in all of the people I know or meet. Perhaps there is much beauty that I have been missing by blocking my obligation to view all people as saints. I have never met a man that I could not find something to like about.

I have a man working on the plumbing of my house today. I do not like how much he charges. I do not like all the noise and interruption he causes. I do not like the mess he is creating. But I just have to accept that he is a saint just like any of us. He is doing a good job and thanked me for the work and the soda. So today maybe I made some progress on the whole saint deal.

Now it is time to start acting like a saint - easier said than done.

A Rose by any other name is still a rose

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Some say music, is simply saints talking

I hope you have time to do some saintly acts today, I know it is in you.

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      Rich 4 years ago from Kentucky

      There is a little bit of good in everybody, some just do a much better job of hiding it than others! Some of the people I've dealt with in business make the first statement an extremely tough one to believe in, as the only good it seems they do is something that will come back to benefit them in a monetary way. Yet, we have to believe, or we become cynical fools moaning and groaning from the front porch rocking chair. Great Job, my friend!

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      Jessica Ellen Holbrook 4 years ago from Newark, DE, USA

      Everyone does have their lesson to learn and a lesson to share... The Saints lessons were heavy loads and had deep spiritual significance. I struggled with the whole Saint thing for a while. I still don't think the saints should be worshiped or revered. I'm not Catholic so maybe that has a lot to do with my perspective but I choose to view the saints as humans experiencing spiritually and worldly problems and choosing to stay on divine paths. Fighting to do so. They are examples to be learned from. But revered, called on, or worshiped... I don't think so. I'll stick to revering and worshiping God and Jesus.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      rcrumple, you always add something worthy and admirable. I still am not satisfied with my comprehension and distinction between someone evil and something evil. Thanks for pointing that out.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Violetheaven, You touch on a whole concept that is near and dear to my heart. I worship my wife and children. -- wierd but I cannot help myself.

      But more importantly is that we take time to what: hommage, loyalty, worship, revere, respect, hold in high esteem, Love, honor and allegiance mean and mean to us in any particular circumstance.

      Actually we could probably add servent and addict to the mix and learn more.

      I cherish your insight and wisdom.

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      mcnmmarketing 4 years ago from Las Vegas

      We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalites, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. In the midst of all this God sends us messages through messengers. The messenger has little value, but do have value for being obedient to deliver the message. The message delivered is what we must hold fast to. Even Jesus, says Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

      Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

      Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

      Which is a call to all of us to be messengers of God and "Saints"

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Hi! All Christians are saints. If you will look at the greetings and salutations on Paul's letters to the churches, the church members are greeted as saints.

      http://www.orlutheran.com/html/saintid.html

      (1) Who are the Saints?

      One way to get at this question is to investigate which people the New Testament authors address as saints. When we do this, we discover that, overwhelmingly, living Christians on earth are called saints in the New Testament.

      An extremely valuable verse in this regard is 1 Corinthians 1:2. Here Paul calls his readers "the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours." What makes this passage valuable is that Paul defines the church of God at Corinth (the Christians at Corinth, his readers) as "those who have been sanctified (Greek - hagiazo) in Jesus Christ, saints (Greek - hagioi) by calling." There are not two groups here that he writes the letter to, the church and the saints, but one group, the church of God in Corinth, who are saints!

      This passage sets the tone for the New Testament, especially Paul's letters. Living Christians at various churches or locations are called "saints":

      Ananias tells Jesus, "I have heard from many about this man [Saul of Tarsus], how much harm he did to Thy saints at Jerusalem (Acts 9:13);

      Peter, "came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32);

      Paul tells King Agrippa that in while in Jerusalem, he locked up "many of the saints in prisons" (Acts 26:10);

      Paul writes to the Christians at Rome, "to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints" (Rom. 1:7);

      He addresses his second letter to the Corinthians, "to the church of God which is at Corinth with all the saints who are throughout Achaia" (2 Cor. 1:1);

      He addresses several other letters, "to the saints who are at Ephesus, and who are faithful in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 1:1), "to all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi" (Phil. 1:1), "to the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are at Colossae" (Col. 1:2);

      He tells the Corinthians, "All the saints greet you" (2 Co. 13:13) and the Philippians, "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus" and "All the saints greet you, especially those of Caesar's household" (Phil. 4:21-22);

      · He asks the Roman Christians to "Greet Philologus and Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints who are with them" (Rom. 16:15);

      He tells the Romans that Christians should be "contributing to the needs of the saints" (Rom. 12:13);

      He himself is busy readying a gift to bring to the poor Christians in Jerusalem: "I am going to Jerusalem serving the saints. For Macedonia and Achaia have been pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem" (Rom. 15:25-26; see also Rom. 15:31; 1 Cor. 16:1-6; 2 Cor. 8:4, 9:1, 9:12);

      He takes the Corinthians to task for taking one another before secular courts, "Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints" (1 Cor. 6:1)?

      He gives instruction to Timothy that a true widow is one who "has washed the saints' feet" (1 Tim. 6:10);

      the author of the letter to the Hebrews tells his readers to "Greet all of your leaders and all the saints" (Heb. 13:24).

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Diane --- Wowsa Bowsa that is awesome. You really step up and out lady.

      These dudes Paul/saul and Peter/simon Just rock out when it comes to saying "hey baby Wakee Uppee, YOU are the saint.

      Me,,, I just have trouble thinking that well of myself - I will get over it with a little help from my friends, like you!

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hey now mcnmmarketing I mean this in sincerity and Love. You have given good and learned and wise instruction which I intend to comprehend and experience.

      Are you perhaps a saint or angel?

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Eric, we are set apart to live holy lives - not that we have attained that victory. We are all on the road from glory to glory. As you know, being a Christian has awesome privileges and responsibilities. As we study God's Word and walk in His path, we begin to look more like Him. We don't name saints ... God did in His Word. Would love to meet you dear saint!

      http://www.abideinchrist.com/messages/2cor3v18.htm...

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      mcnmmarketing 4 years ago from Las Vegas

      LOL Eric,

      I cannot even claim to be a Saint. I have my issues as well as you can see my confessions in the next blog that I am working on which has not been published yet. I am just a man that truly understands what I read. I was told all through school to pay attention and to comprehend what I read. Plus I talk alot about God with Doctors in Theology and pray and listen to God when He speaks. So all of these factors have made me the man I am today. Thank God.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      And just who wakes up in the morning and pee pees his pants and realizes he is a saint? My friend you have touched me with your triumphs and overcomings. I do not know much but the fact that you touch.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      How very fun that we all deny ourselves the accoloade of saint. Yet what are we, if not?

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      With the privilege comes a lot of responsibility.

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      mcnmmarketing 4 years ago from Las Vegas

      We all fall short of the Glory of God, because Glory belongs to God.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I think we can all agree that Paul was a Saint (or should that be, "is a Saint"?

      And I think we can all agree he fell short on occasion (what was the thorn?)

      So like we say, Saints are people too ;-)

      Oh and by the way I look forward to hubs from both of you!

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      mcnmmarketing 4 years ago from Las Vegas

      Paul saw things that cannot be spoken of because of mans feable understanding so he was assigned a demon to torment him so that he would not reveal certain secrets to the wrong people. People who would not use the information for the right reason. Just like the Holy Spirit reveals the deep things of God that most people do not have the capacity to understand. Things like principles of the spirit realm of which we are not supposed to dabble in because we do not have the ability to control it. Only the Holy Spirit does and that is why we must pray and stay humble as Paul had to be in torment to stay humble. One of my favorite moments were when the seven sons of Sceva in Acts 19. Paul was as well known in the spirit realm as Jesus. That is serious.

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      SGLY 4 years ago

      Following Christ we have become sanctified. Our sins are washed away and we are made righteous. 1 Corinthians 6:11 (NASB), "Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." I have never really agreed with the Catholic Church's defining who is or isn't a saint. According to the Bible we are all saints, purified through Christ.

      That doesn't mean we always get it right. All have sinned and have fallen short... What is important is that we strive to be Christ like. Good luck in your walk with Christ...

      Ja

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I also like this one Jason: Hebrews 2:9-11 . I simply embrace the fact about how wonderful our capacity to be saintly is always.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      We need to hold out all as saints, all people. If we do that, how can we go wrong?

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      I agree with you SGLY! We should be going from glory to glory as we walk closely with the Lord. After accepting Christ, we are set apart to grow in His likeness.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I knew something bothered me about your comment, Diane. I understand the intent and notion behind saying we are "set apart". And it always sounded right and felt good. But now I am thinking,,, whoa,! I do not want to be set apart from any of these. especially the least who are by all accounts non believers. I think Paul might have word with me about this.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Hi Eric, "set apart" refers to position in Christ. We are suppose to be "in the world" but "not of the world." If there is nothing that makes a Christian distinguishable, what is the point. I don't mean saying "I'm a Christian," but displaying the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23) It describes people won to Christ (Ro. 1:13), holy living (Ro. 6:22), gifts brought to God (Ro. 15:26-28), good works (Col. 1:10), and praise (Heb. 13:15). In our passage this evening the "fruit of the Spirit" has to do with character. It is the character of the Holy Spirit that God wants to see in our lives

      Friendship evangelism is done through missions and relationships with non-believer; however, it's hard to tell a person that robbing a bank is wrong if you are driving the get away car.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you, quite helpful to understanding. I suppose if we put it in the area of attraction it works for me. "sell all your possessions, give the money to the poor, and then 'come follow me'"

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      SGLY 4 years ago

      Dianetrotter, I like how you explained being set apart, very good. We are not of this world but we belong to Christ. However, while we are here we are to reach out to our neighbors, to the ends of the earth. We cannot isolate ourselves but at the same time we have to firmly hold onto Christ. Let others see Christ in you and they will want to know what is different about you. Who knows what doors will be opened...

      God Bless,

      Ja

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Very true SGLY. We should not become politicians and bend God's Word to make it palatable for nonbelievers is wrong. We should speak the truth in love, and with wisdom. The Holy Spirit deals with the heart.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Diane and SGLY, What wonderful writings and beautiful explanation of our role within and without. Truly to walk in the path you describe would be a progression toward saintliness.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Thank you Eric! Praise God for His Word that is available to show us how we should walk in His way.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I think that between here and your wonderful hub https://hubpages.com/education/Ifevolutionisfactwh...

      That you and I are finding a nice language to use to understand each other better. When we look to a saint I think we often see the beauty of how they communicated.

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