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Religious Discussions Three

Updated on August 15, 2019

People should discuss their religious beliefs

It would be helpful, if religious issues or whatever other issues we may have, we would discuss them at least with our friends, so that we could see what other people think about those issues?
It would be helpful, if religious issues or whatever other issues we may have, we would discuss them at least with our friends, so that we could see what other people think about those issues? | Source

Religious discussions continued

Welcome to our article (43), Religious discussions three

Dear readers, these articles are being written to discuss and find a way to overcome religious difficulties that arise today, to do that we are studying and discussing religious issues, in the hope of finding a way and then suggest to the world how to overcome religious difficulties.

Now, we are calling this article, Religious discussions three, being the continuation of discussions two, where we left with Gino wanting to talk to our friend John very likely in an aggressive way, so let us see what he had to say?

Dear readers, to make it easier for you to understand what is happening, before we write Gino argument with John, we want to let you know what sort of a bloke Gino is; you see, Gino sometimes likes to make an argument out of anything, religiously Gino is a Christian or Christian agnostic, it depends on the way he feels he may even act as an atheist, so, we wonder what he is going to say to John next.

Now let us say who is John; well John is a very religious bloke that really believes in his Jehovah witness religion, therefore, everything for John is exactly as the Bible says. Now as we have said in our last article, Gino is keen to talk to John, therefore, looking at these two friends that seem to be on a collision course, we are concerned about it, but at the same time we are curious how this religious debate is going to be like soon. So, let us see first what Gino is going to say to John:

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An old bible and Jews history book

The Bible of today is a religious book, but in the old times the Bible not only was a religious book, but it was also the Jews history book, where they kept records of important happenings. It is the most read and discussed book in the world.
The Bible of today is a religious book, but in the old times the Bible not only was a religious book, but it was also the Jews history book, where they kept records of important happenings. It is the most read and discussed book in the world. | Source

Religious debate or discussions

After my conclusion on Mark speech in our last article: Gino approaches John and starts to talk to him thus:

Gino to John

Hey John, did you hear Mark speech; he knows a lot about religions, doesn’t he? So, now that you have heard all that religious stuff, and knowing that there are lots of other religions in the world just because man needs God, I am asking you this, are you still going to think the same way and follow your Jehovah witness religious beliefs blindly? Or are you now going to be like one of us and be open to religious comments, and sometimes accept the outcome of that comment. You see, we can never be sure, if what we have been told about God is correct; therefore, we must ask ourselves, whether they are true or not. What do you say to that?

John to Gino

Look Gino, Mark may know a fair bit about religions, I will give you that; but you have to admit that what he has said is only general knowledge and nothing else, that is the way I feel about his speech; also I need to add that I am not convinced that religious things are exactly the way he said, so, I am still one hundred per cent sure that I am right about my own religious beliefs and what is written in the Bible, so, I am not going to change my religious beliefs at all based on Mark speech okay!

Gino to John

John, you are really a believer and believe in God and whatever is written in the Bible, but really you should think again about your beliefs, as you have heard there are a lot more religions in the world, so, there may be, I say may be that one of these other religions is right and your beliefs are not. Look I don’t want to be hard on your religious beliefs, but there are people that think otherwise; in fact, there are even people that do not believe in God at all. They are intelligent people that recon that God does not exist and there was no creation as the Bible says; because there is no need for a god to create life, you see, it is possible that simple life just came about by itself, and then with the passing of time it grew and became the way it is today through evolution, you know there is a theory about this issue and most scientists agree with it.

John to Gino

I am sorry to say this Gino, but today you sound to me that you have become an atheist; I thought that you were a Christian and that you believed in God, I think I have made a mistake in judging you a Christian, because today you don’t sound like a Christian at all, you know what I mean, a Christian is a person that believes in God and fears God, because he wants God to see that he is a good person and that he follows God commandment, therefore he deserves eternal life?

Gino to John

I know that John, but you see I wanted to see what you thought about other religions, beside your Jehovah wetness religion. For instance, do you really believe that God created everything in seven days like the Bible says, or do you have some doubts about creation yourself?

John to Gino

There you are again; you are indeed an atheist and next thing you are going to say to me, that through evolution and the forces of nature everything created itself and that we are monkeys that through evolution have become humans. You know what I mean, monkeys eating bananas, do you see a monkey in yourself and me or do you see a person. Just listen to me Gino, monkeys are monkeys and cannot be anything else, and humans are people like Adam who was created as a person, like God said in his own image, don’t you see that?

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Preventing a religious argument

My comment (Frank)

Up to this point the rest of the group I, Mark and a couple of other guys were talking various things, while at the same time I was paying attention to what Gino and John were talking about, because I thought that Gino could really upset John, and I knew that I was right to think about that because something was going to happen, therefore, I had to do something to prevent this religious argument escalate. So, I winked at Mark and pointed out to him that something needed our attention, and we moved closer to Gino and John, and then I said: you two really want to solve the world religious problems right away, don’t you? But I have to tell you that it is unlikely that we can find a way, if you carry on and arguing the way you two do, because it is more likely that we can find a way, if we happen to have the same views on religious subjects.

Now since you have started this conversation about creation and evolution, which is the most important piece of evidence that we all want to find out one way or another, if we can find any evidence either way. The point is that we need that evidence to decide about religious beliefs, and about how much creation took place, and what could have been the role of evolution at the same time, in other words how the creation of mankind happened.

I believe that to do this we need to break our information source in small pieces, then decide with our own mental capacity and logic common sense, if what is being presented to us can be true or not. In other words, anything that is presented to us we must question the questionable and answer those questions truthfully.

Now since Gino and John have started this conversation about creation, let us try if we can do something about it?

Having decided to try to keep this religious issue going, in the hope of finding out, what my friends thought about it, I raised my voice and said; may we have the attention of everybody please. Because I would like to ask you these questions about creation and the creation of man?

Hereunder are some answers to our questions.

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Michelangelo Moses. Why don't you speak?

It is said that when Michelangelo finished this statue, he said why don't you speak? Because his statue was so lifelike. Now today we are talking about the creation of Adam from dust and my observation is that only God might make a statue speak
It is said that when Michelangelo finished this statue, he said why don't you speak? Because his statue was so lifelike. Now today we are talking about the creation of Adam from dust and my observation is that only God might make a statue speak | Source

Some answer to our religious question/s

Please answer our first question: do you believe that man was created from God the same way as the Bible says?

John answers to my question.

Of course, that is the only way possible for man to be created, because God is the creator of everything, it says so in the Bible and the Bible is the word of God.

Gino answer

Look, I have to say that I am a Christian, but even though I am a Christian and believe in many things that I have been told to believe in this religion, but I doubt very much that God has created man from plain earth soil, because there must be another explanation how man came about to be created, and why the Bible claims that God made man from plain earth soil or clay?

Mark answer

I see what you mean Gino, so, I say that for myself don’t see any logic for God creating man from dust, let us call it dust, because in the Bible “Genesis 3:19 says. “By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.” But that is the Bible and there must be a good reason to say that at the time it was written, but here we need to find out why it was written like that, if we want to get a logic answer?

Peter answer (This is another friend that came to the meeting)

Just to say something for friendship sake, I have to say that I believe a lot like Gino, so, I think that if I use my brains and logic explanation, I say that there must be another logic explanation why the Bible claims that God made man from plain earth ground, but I cannot think what was the reason.

Mike answer (this is another friend at the meeting, he may be an atheist?)

What I want to say here is that we are living in the 21st century, and we know a lot more now than when the Bible was written, so, by logic explanation hearsay from well educated people and my own intelligence says that God did not make man from earth ground, because that may very well be an impossible thing to do even for God. This is my answer, I am saying this assuming that God exists; you see God may even not exist. What about that?

Frank (me the writer)

I see every one of you has got a different view or beliefs about how man was created, so, we need to ask more questions to find out the reasons why it is like that.

So, let me see what we can ask you next time.

Dear readers, do you see what we mean here? This is how religions are today and people will move away from religions if they cannot be explained better in the future. So, it is up to us to do something that may help humanity understand these religious things.

Having said that, now we want to suggest that perhaps a new way of interpreting religious books could help. Perhaps a new religious theory that allows God and the forces of nature work together; in other words, God, uses evolution to create all living things and everything else. This can result in a less powerful God, but even that can help. Because then, the terrorist groups that kill in the name of God, may see God less powerful and give up using God to kill other people.

After these religious discussions above, we started to talk about other issues that are not worth writing here, since we want to talk here about religions only.

See you next time.

May God bless us all.

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