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Religious discussions three
People should try to discuss their issues religious or otherwise
Religious discussions continued
Welcome to our hub (43), Religious discussions three
Dear readers, as you can see, these hubs are being written to discuss and find a way to overcome some of those religious difficulties that arise today, in order to do that we are studying religious issues, so, we could say that these religious discussions are religious studies of how religions serve humanity, since we believe that humanity needs God and religions, therefore we will continue to discuss these issues, in the hope of finding a way and then suggest to the world how to overcome those difficulties that exist today, in the field of religion.
Now, we are calling this hub, Religious discussions three, being also part of Prayers for Reconciliation and a chapter of our religious writings and the continuation of discussions two, where we left with Gino wanting to talk to our friend John very likely in an aggressive way, so let us see what he had to say?
Dear readers, in order to make it easier for you to understand what is happening, and before we write Gino speech down, or should I say before we write Gino argument with John, we would like to let you know what sort of a bloke Gino is; you see Gino sometimes likes to make an argument out of anything, religiously Gino is a Christian or Christian agnostic, sometimes depends on the way he feels he may even act as an atheist, so we wonder what he is going to say to John next.
Now let us say who is John; well John is a very religious bloke that really believes in his Jehovah witness religion, therefore, everything for John is exactly as the Bible says. Now as we have already said in our last hub, Gino seems keen to talk to John, therefore looking at these two friends that seem to be on a collision course, we are just concerned about it, but at the same time we are curious how this religious discussion or debate is going to be like soon. So let us see first what Gino is going to say to John:
An old bible and history book
Religious debate or discussions
After my conclusion on Mark speech in our last article, Religious discussions two: Gino approaches John and starts to talk to him thus:
Gino to John
Hey John did you hear Mark speech; he knows a lot about religions, doesn’t he? So now that you have heard all that religious stuff, and knowing that there are lots of other religions in the world just because man needs God somehow, I am asking you this, are you still going to think the same and follow your Jehovah witness religious beliefs as if it is the only possible way to go on believing about God and religion? Or are you now going to be just like one of us and be open to any religious discussion or comment and sometimes accept the outcome of that comment. You see one can never be sure if what we have been told about God and other religious beliefs, therefore we should really ask whether they are true or not. What do you say to that?
John to Gino
Look Gino, Mark may know a fair bit about religions, I will give you that; but you have to admit that what he has said is only general knowledge and nothing else, that is the way I feel about his speech; also I need to add that I am not convinced that religious things are exactly the way he said, so I am still one hundred per cent sure that I am right about my own religious beliefs and what is written in the Bible, so I am not going to change my religious beliefs at all based on Mark speech okay!
Gino to John
John, you are really a believer and believe in God and whatever is written in the Bible, but really you should think again about your beliefs, as you have heard there are a lot more religions in the world, so, there may be, I say may be that one of these other religions might be right and your beliefs are not. Look I don’t really want to be hard on your religious beliefs here, but there are a lot of people that think otherwise, in fact there are even people that do not believe in God at all as you may know, in fact there are good intelligent people that recon that God does not exist and there was no creation as the Bible says, because there is no need for a god to create life, you see it is possible that simple life just came about by itself, and then with the passing of time it grew and became the way it is today through evolution, you know there is a theory about this issue and most scientists agree with it.
John to Gino
I am sorry to say this Gino, but today you sound to me that you have become an atheist; I thought that somehow you were a Christian and that you believed in God somehow, I think I have made a mistake in judging you a Christian, because today you don’t sound like a Christian at all, you know what I mean, a Christian is a person that believes in God and fears God, because he wants God to see that he is a good person and that he follows God commandment, therefore he deserves perhaps eternal life?
Gino to John
I know that John, but you see I just wanted to see what you thought about religions, let me say outside your Jehovah wetness religion. For instance, do you really believe that God created everything in seven days like the Bible says, or do you have some doubts about creation yourself?
John to Gino
There you are again; you are indeed an atheist and next thing you are going to say to me, that through evolution and the forces of nature everything created itself and that we are monkeys that through evolution have become humans. You know what I mean, monkeys eating bananas, do you see a monkey in yourself and me or do you see a person. Just listen to me Gino, monkeys are monkeys and cannot be anything else, and humans are people just like Adam who was created as a person, like God said in his own image, don’t you see that?
Preventing a religious argument
My comment (Frank)
Up to this point the rest of the group I, Mark and a couple of other guys were talking various things, while at the same time I was paying attention to what Gino and John were talking about, just because I thought that Gino could really upset John somehow, and I knew that I was right to think about that because something was going to happen right now, therefore I had to do something to prevent this religious argument escalate. So, I winked at Mark and pointed out to him that something needed our attention so to speak, and we moved closer to Gino and John, and then I said: you two really seem that you want to solve the world religious problems right away, don’t you? But I have to tell you that it is very unlikely that we would be able to find a way out by carrying on and arguing the way you two do, because it is more likely that we can find a way out if we happen to have the same views on some religious subjects.
Now since you have started this conversation about creation and evolution, which seems to be the most important piece of evidence that we all want to find out one way or another that is if we can find any evidence either way. The point is here that we need that evidence to decide about our religious beliefs, and also about how much creation really took place, and what could have been the role of evolution at the same time, in other words how the creation of mankind happened.
We have reasons to believe that in order to do that we need to break our information source in small pieces and decide with our own mental capacity and logic common sense, if what is being presented to us can be true or not. In other words anything that is presented to us we must question the questionable and answer those questions truthfully.
Now since Gino and John have started this conversation about creation, let us try if we would be able to do something about it?
Having decided to try to keep this religious issue going, in the hope of being able to see what my friends thought about it, I raised my voice and said; may we have the attention of everybody present, as we would like to ask you these questions about creation and the creation of man?
Do you really believe that man was created from God exactly as the Bible says?
After you answer this question there will be more questions like:
If you answer in the positive, then the question is, are you sure?
If answer is negative, then the question is, why not?
So, please answer our first question: do you believe that man was created from God the same way as the Bible says?
Michelangelo statue of Moses
Some answer to our question/s
John answers to my question.
Of course, that is the only way possible for man to be created, because God is the creator of everything, it says so in the Bible and the Bible is the word of God.
Look, I have to say that I am a Christian, but even though I am a Christian and believe in many things that I have been told to believe in this religion, I doubt very much that God has created man from plain earth soil, as there must be another explanation how man came about to be created and why the Bible claims that God made man from plain earth soil or clay?
I see what you mean Gino, so I say that for myself don’t see any logic for God creating man from dust, let us call it dust, because in the Bible “Genesis 3:19 says. “By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.” But that is the Bible and there must be a good reason to say that at the time it was written, but here we need to find out why it was written like that, if we want to get a logic answer?
Peter answer (This is another friend that came to the meeting)
Just to say something for friendship sake, I have to say that perhaps I believe a lot like Gino, so I think that if I use my brains and logic explanation, I say that there must be another logic explanation why the Bible claims that God made man from plain earth ground, but I cannot think what was the reason, so I am not sure.
Mike answer (this is another friend at the meeting, he may be an atheist?)
What I want to say here is that really we are living in the 21st century and we know a lot more now than when the Bible was written, so, by logic explanation hearsay from well educated people and my own intelligence says that God did not make man from earth ground, because that may very well be an impossible thing to do even for God. This is my answer and I am saying here ang it is based assuming that God exists; you see God may even not exist What about that?
Frank (me the writer)
I see every one of you has got a different view or beliefs about how man was created, so we need to ask more questions to find out the reasons why it is like that.
So, let me see what we could ask you next time.
Dear readers, do you see what we mean here? This is how religions are today and people will move away from religions if they cannot be explained better in the future. So, it is up to us to do something that may help humanity understand these religious things. Having said that, now we would like to suggest that perhaps a new way of interpreting religious books could be helpful, or even perhaps a new religious theory that would allow God and the forces of nature work together; in other words, God, would use evolution to create all living things and everything else. This might result in a less powerful God, but even that could be helpful to today religious problems, when we think about the terrorist groups that kill in the name of their God. Anyhow, we may have to think hard if this could be possible to do? May God guide us all?
After these religious discussions above, we started to talk about other issues that are not worth writing here, since we would like to keep these hubs just for religious talks?
See you next time.
May God bless us all?
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