Religious Discussions, Two
Religious discussions and beliefs of the world
Our second religious discussions
Welcome to our article (42), Religious discussions two
Dear readers, we are continuing to talk about religious issues, we are going to have a group discussion, because we believe that a group discussion is more helpful. In our last article we said that there are religious issues that need reviewing. So, we have invited a few friends to discuss these religious issues. So, let us begin.
My dear friends, as you know, I am writing these religious articles, but these religious issues are complex, so, I want to ask you to help me find the right solutions. You see, I hope that with your help, we can come up with a suggestion about what can be done; because the knowledge of each one of us can be helpful, this is the reason why I have invited you to come at my place.
Now, I invite you to discuss your religious beliefs, and I ask you not to hold back on anything that comes to your mind; because you and I are here to suggest new ways of solve this religious problem, you see, in our last article we said that we want to suggest how to overcome these religious problems. But we must discuss religious issues without upsetting religious people.
Therefore, I am asking you to have your say, if you want to take part in these discussions. Anyhow, today I have asked my dear friend Mark to have something ready to say, so that these religious discussions can begin. So, Mark please let we hear what you have to say?
One of the many Buddha statue
Mark long religious speech
Mark opening speech
Dear friends, I don’t really know how to start with, but I need to say that I feel honoured to be the first to be invited to speak.
So, today we are talking about religions; I must say that with so many religions around, it is hard to choose which one to talk about. Anyhow, I read a lot of religious books, so, I know a few religious things, but I don’t know enough to positively say that what I am going to say is right or not, so, you must accept it as it is, since it is the way how I see religions today, perhaps tomorrow I may change my views and beliefs, who knows?
Anyhow, I have chosen a few of the main religions to talk about; but first I must say that religions for us humans are necessary, as we feel this in-borne need to belong to some religions, because we have always felt the need to believe in something supernatural, that can help us, when we feel unable to cope with something stronger than ourselves.
Having said that, now let us see how the main religions have set themselves up, so that they can explain to their people their religious beliefs. In this speech I am going to be brief, because I am talking about the main beliefs and from where they came from. As we know, the most important religions of the world today are: The religions that come from the Bible and Hinduism, these religions have split and evolved into several other religions, of course, there are other religions, but we can say they are a minority, and there were the old pagan religions that no longer exist.
Now, let us start with Hinduism
I am starting with the Indus religions because it is believed that they are the first to be written in a text, or they were written in bits and pieces first, and later they were put together and become a written text.
One of these Indian religious books is The Laws of Manu; in this book The Laws of Manu it is explained in a nutshell that an ever-existing force or energies has always existed, in the great darkness that existed before the world was born; this Self existing force or energy called (Svayambhu or something like that.) These existing energies were so complex that they were/are unknowable and unfathomable. Anyhow, this field or force of energy in the beginning seeded an egg and this egg became Brahman the progenitor of the whole world, Brahman split in two and created the world as we know it. Of course, there is a lot more to this great Indus religion, specially how the people and the different cast were born, and we will come back to discuss it another day, but this is how the Hinduism religions started.
As I said, we will be talking about the main parts of religions in a nutshell, because every religion has a never ending story to tell, and also Hinduism is a very complex religion; for instance, if we want to find out and write the names of those Indus religions and their gods, it would fill many pages.
Anyhow, another of these religions that came from these Indus religions is Buddhism; at the beginning, it was part of this Indus religions, but Buddha set it up in a more advanced way, Buddha is born in a royal family in 624 BC so, he is a prince, he was named Siddhartha, he was born with his own destiny, as he was going to be the one that knows everything, the enlightened one and the founder of Buddhism.
Today one of the best-known religious leaders of Buddhism is the Tibetan Dalai Lama. There is a lot more to say about this religion, but this has got to do for the moment, because we want to talk about the other religions.
Pagan religions and their gods
The old western religions
Paganism was the old western religions
Now, let us talk about paganism, and their pagans’ gods. You see, before Christianity, while in Asia Hinduism was one of the most important religions; in Europe paganism with their pagan’s gods was the religion of those days.
At the beginning of paganism, it is believed that one of the oldest and most powerful gods was Saturn. (But there is a lot more to say about this religion and how it starts in the very beginning of the world, there is an article written in Hub Pages explaining all this, this is the link, hub.me/agotI ).
But now let us go back to talk about this god Saturn, this god Saturn had three sons and they replaced Saturn: the first son of Saturn was Jupiter who became king of the gods who lived on Mount Olympus Greece, the second one was Neptune who was king of the seas, and the third was Pluto king of the underworld or the dead.
There were lots of other gods, goddesses like Apollo the sun god, Mars the war god Eros and Venus the gods of love and many gods and demigods and others that filled the void of any supernatural beliefs. But I believe that it is better for me to talk about them another time. Anyhow, these Gods have been replaced with a new and very powerful God in the western world, called by some believer Yahweh and from others Allah, these religions form the main part of the western world religions today.
The Bible, religious historic book of the Jews
The western world religions
Today western world religions
Most of the western world religions today derive from the Bible, therefore, they start with Abraham and the Bible. The Bible is a history and religious book of the Jews. Most of us have been thought to believe that the Bible is the written word of the living God, as God has spoken through his prophets, at least this is how we have been told and most religious people believe to be true.
Anyhow, Abraham had many children, even though he had none until he was very old, his first son was Ishmael, born from his handmaiden Hagar, and then he had Isaac from his very old wife Sarah.
But Abraham story is longer than that, and I quote from what I found on the Internet:
(Also, Abraham had six other sons besides Ishmael and Isaac through his wife Keturah whom he married after Sarah died. "Now Abraham took another wife, whose name was Keturah. And she bore to him Zimran and Jokshan and Medan and Midian and Ishbak and Shuah." (Gen. 25:1-2). Obviously, this was known by the writers of Genesis as well as Hebrews and Galatians. (End of quote)
Anyhow, we need to go back to tell the story in a chronological way. As most of us know the Bible starts with the book of Genesis, and it starts with God creating the world, and from there it tells us briefly, what happens from the creation of the world to the times of Abraham; and from Abraham the history of the Jews begins. In a nutshell the Jews become slaves of the powerful Egyptian king, they cry to their God to help them, and God delivers them from the Egyptians with the help of their leader Moses, who has met God on Mount Sinai in the form of a burning bush, this burning bush talked to Moses and said that his name was Yahweh (which means, I am who I am). Now, the God of Abraham wanted to deliver his people from the Egyptian Pharaoh. So, God then told Moses to go back to Egypt and help rescue his people.
After a long argument with the Egyptian Pharaoh with the help of Yahweh Moses succeeds in freeing the Jews from the Egyptian Pharaoh and they leave Egypt to go to the Promised Land. On the way to the Promised Land, the Jews don’t follow Yahweh’s orders; so, Yahweh punishes them by making them stay for forty years in the desert, that is until all those who did not believe in Yahweh their God were dead, also Moses dies before they reach the Promised Land, so, the Jews reach the Promised Land under their new leader Joshua and other leaders that followed.
In the end the Jews have reached the Promised Land and stay there for a very long time under various leaders the most known and mentioned today are Salomon and David. In the Bible through his prophets Yahweh promises the Jews that from the line of David will be born a man with great powers and he will be the messiah to the Jews, this great man will let the world know everything that there is to know about spiritual God to the world.
So, the messiah is born, as our Lord Jesus Christ at the time when the Promised Land is occupied from the Romans; the Jews hope and believe that the messiah is going to be their king and can deliver them from the Romans that were occupying their Promised Land. But when they saw that Jesus Christ was not what they wanted him to be, they found a way how to eliminate him by crucifying him with the help of the Romans. But the follower of Jesus Christ continued to believe in Jesus Christ and thus a new religion was born, Christianity. At the same time the Jews rejected Jesus as the messiah and continued in believing in God Yahweh in the same old ways of their religious order.
St Peter Basilica in Rome
There are many Christian religions
Christianity is a general name that includes many religions; they all come from The New Testament of the Bible, and they all believe in our lord Jesus Christ.
So, as we can see, Christianity is a new and modified continuation of the religious laws and beliefs of Abraham and Moses, that after the death of Jesus Christ and many other happenings it split away from the Jewish beliefs and formed a few religious groups that today are known as Christianity.
Of course Christianity took a long time to become the main religion of the western world, because at the beginning it was not accepted, so, many people died martyrs because they believed in this new religious order of Christianity, history is full of prosecutions that the new Christian had to endure before they became accepted as a religious order. There are reasons to believe that Christianity became accepted under the Roman emperor Constantine the great early in the fourth century AD. Emperor Constantine was the first Roman emperor that converted to Christianity.
Christianity today has got several orders like the Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans and many others. As we can see these religions have come from the Bible, and one can go on talking about these religions for a long time, if one has to explain them better, So, I better stop talking about them now, as there is another main religion that I want to talk about, which is the Islamic religion.
Religious Islamic book; The Koran
Islam, the Koran book is their Bible.
There are reasons to believe that the Koran comes from the Bible, and even though today we are far away from our supposed brothers Muslims; the fact remains that they are descended of Ishmael first son of Abraham and Hagar the Egyptian maidservant, then Abraham had his second son Isaac with his wife Sarah: These two are the most important children of Abraham; therefore, we can say that through Abraham we are brothers with the Muslims.
Now, I want to say that we should read the Koran, so that we can understand what these Muslims are talking about. Therefore, we need to put aside those extremist’s fanatic views, that in their twisted way think that they need to kill those that do not follow their religion.
Anyhow, I have read part of the Koran, and in the Koran God talks and says that he is the same God of Abraham, the only difference I found is that they call their God Allah instead of Yahweh; they have also different laws compared to our Christian religious laws, which were modified to Christianity with the coming of Jesus Christ.
I believe that the Moslems also modified the Bible, but it was modified in a different way, as they reject most of the new ways of Jesus Christ but retain most of the old ways of The Old Testament. So, we can say that even if we are brothers with the Moslems through Abraham, at the same time we are not, since we have different beliefs and we go in different direction; anyhow, we need to learn a lot more before we pass judgment on this religion?
Speech conclusions and comments
Mark speech conclusions
I need to say that there are a lot more religions in the world today, which have come from different civilizations, and we could go on and make a list of them, and it will be a long list. Anyhow, our task is to find which one is the most suitable to use. Otherwise, we must make up another religion capable of satisfying the human need for religions. As I have said before, Man needs God. And I have also said that God is hope for those who need hope most.
That is all I want to say now, as my speech has been too long and some of you wonder when I am going to stop. Thanks for listening anyhow.
Frank (me the writer) short comment.
Before I say anything, I want to paste this link about the Koran to complete Mark speech.
The Koran -- Simple Search, Let us hope it works.
Anyhow, at the end of Mark speech we all were congratulating Mark, saying that he knew more than most of us about religions, and that we surely would reflect on what he had said: I said I am sure that our friends here are going to discuss a lot more about religions because of what you said, so, let us see what they are going to argue about soon. Look over there, I see our friend Gino looking at John as if he wants to speak to him, perhaps he is going to have a good interesting chat with him presently. We might even have a laugh Ha, ha, ha.
My dear readers, let us postpone what Gino and John are going to argue about for next article, because I believe that we have said enough in this article. But, let me say briefly what sort of conclusion we can find in Mark speech. The only conclusion that I can see, is that there is no conclusion at all, because religions are very complex, and we are going to need a lot of time to sort them out, if we have the strength to continue to look for a solution.
Dear readers, this is not the end of the meeting and if you want to see what happened next at the end of Mark speech you must wait when we post our next article; Religious discussions three.
May God bless us all.
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