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Response to lawrence01's - "Jesus: Fact or Fiction?"

Updated on December 24, 2015

The Sword of the Lord

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Jesus Is As True and Live As We Are

Ok lawrence01, by the way, you have a picture of a beautiful looking Bible. When someone does research on a subject, an object an animal or a person it seems that they must research it from the outside, looking in (so to say) from all sides and every aspect of researching instead of researching it from within. Scientific methods are proven just that way.

The existence of Jesus cannot be researched and proven that way. To do research to verify the existence of Jesus or even God just does not make sense to me. There is no possible way to prove or verify that Jesus existed or did not exist back in time or the same for God's existence or not existence except through the faith of believing what the initial Bible says, starting in the beginning of Genesis. They are the originals. We're made in the image of Them. There are believers that would rather not debate the question or the issue simply because they couldn’t fathom how atheists or non-believers think outside the box of believing in Jesus or God. It would erupt into an argument because each side would be determined to prove their point of view. I see people here on HP expressing their views all the time. Many times the conversations get very harsh.


God Is Not Responsible For Mishaps

There are people mad and therefore, hate God because they think He is responsible for a lot of unfortunate mishaps in life. That means that they believe He exists, right? Yes, but God is good. Read in the Bible https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Romans%208:28 . There are certain but simple things required of us in order to obtain favor of God. He commands us to love Him and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Those are normal things to do with no labor because we were made by Him to believe in His order of good life. Right now, I can only attest to blessings that God has bestowed on me. Therefore, it is easy for me to continue believing as I do. If someone asked me, “How do you know that God did it for you?” I would say, God is whom I choose to believe in. If I opposed God, I would fear Him because I am convinced that He is all-powerful. I have no fear of anything or anyone. I need not convince anyone that God exists. They can only find that out just like I did. However, I have believed in God since childhood when my mother insisted that I go to church every week. That’s the best thing she did for me besides sending me to schools. It’s unfortunate that some people don’t use the capacity of their brain that was made for them to believe specifically in God and the plan He Had for our redemption through faith in Jesus Christ, after living a wretched life. Read https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3:23&version=KJV

For Your Own Evidence Try Jesus Today

You want to know that Jesus exists? Get on your knees, (men, uncover your heads) face the east wherever you are, bow your heads with honor, homage and respect for the Lord, Say the lord's Prayer exactly as it is

Matthew 6:9-13 (KJV)

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

After reciting this prayer for seven straight mornings and you were sincere, walking by spirit and not by sight then you will experience evidence of the Lord's existence and His light... Come back and comment or write a hub about it.

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      Michael-Milec 2 years ago

      Clear , powerful testimony.

      A simplest fact is to believe in God and Jesus Christ to everyone who heave heard at least once in his / her life the namer Christ Jesus. This name triggers unsustainable commission in human soul consciously or subconsciously a question inside a human spirit 'what to d o with Jesus?'

      One of two choices : run to Him or away from Him. The first choice is total peace of mind passing all understanding in trusting Him believing and doing his word. In your words, it was your choice without questioning, it is my choice, definitely. Your suggestion to say the Lord's Prayer seven consecutive mornings is great advice, worth to try especially speaking out loud to hear those words, since faith comes by hearing the word of God. Besides, here a person is calling God 'our Father' - the name to which the Spirit of God is responding. the rest is easy and simple to receive THE WORD and become the member of God's family (John 1:12.13).

      Voted up and interesting.

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      Again as I notice a word skip or dropped in my last comment We as JW do not in any form or way practice magic, spiritism , witchcaft, fortune telling , voodoo,

      this is why 2Ki 21:6 And he made his own son pass through the fire; he practiced magic, looked for omens, and appointed spirit mediums and fortune-tellers. He did on a grand scale what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes, to offend him.

      All these things are detestable practices to the true God.

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      To sayyes when I went to the school I do remember a play I was in where I did sing away in a manger, but I do remember members not working on saturday, no house cleaning, not eating certain foods as unclean, the history

      I gathered later looking for the true religion was that SDA was a formed by an opostate. Formed from

      JW known then as Bible students.

      We as JW would not classify as an acult, based on the fact they practice spiritism and magic , that is very clear

      Definition in the Wikipedia or any Dictionary, Our main

      Work is public witnessing Getting Jesus work done as he

      Requested , is that successful yes millions have learned and decided on their own , not forced but by their own choice . I am truly sorry for your bad experiences in the field of religion , but that is what is our test will we give up and say the truth is not there, people that panned for goal , did not find it as soon as they arrived on locations

      And many sacrifice many things in comfort , yet they struck gold , the truth is the same , something worth while will always be worth fighting for. This is about how to keep living forever . And if we do die we can return but under the real life ,

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      Nadine May 2 years ago from Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

      Interesting question and I do feel it does not matter one way or the other. Jesus lives in many people who are loving and kind souls who make a difference. A Jesus type individual reminds me of our activists today. They stick their neck out for the noble course and usually pay for it by getting killed. Who knows Edward Snowden might be the next Jesus in about 1000 years! That is if humanity as we know it still exists.

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      Yoleen Lucas 2 years ago from Big Island of Hawaii

      K&T - I'm not really clear as to what you are saying. Seventh Day Adventists have always celebrated Christmas - it is Easter they didn't celebrate, believing it to be a pagan holiday. Actually, Christmas is far more pagan than Easter, because Jesus really was crucified at the time of the Passover, but no one knows when He was born.

      It is true that SDAs tend to be legalistic, though they have relaxed in recent years. As I said before, my problem is with Christianity. It declares itself as having Absolute Truth, then expects people to sweep its atrocities under the rug. Many Christians get offended if confronted with questions they can't answer. The bottom line is, no one religion can answer all questions, so none have the right to say they have Absolute Truth.

      Nearly 3/4 of all cults are based on religion, and the vast majority of those are based on Christianity. That is because basic Christianity uses cult-like practices; 1) you do not question its belief system, and 2) it is authoritarian in nature.

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      To say yes , as I was reading your comment I too can relate to some of your experiences I also when very little went to a SDA. Private School in Indiana, one of my best friends in school even continued in her college in Alabama or Georgia,her religion stayed the same , mine changed, her and her family are still devoted to SDA

      I remember learning that they did not celebrate Christmas , and certain things but basically they live out of the old testement .And later change to celebrate .

      From really studying the scriptures we have been release from the old ways if giving a gift sacrifice of Animals , Jesus body was the last gift given and most valuble that it has covered generation's of people even till now, we are not to throw his gift back and say it is not valuble enough for us by living under the old laws .

      And also we are not of the Jews who made the contract

      That was between them and Jehovah . But Jesus Contract

      Covers all humans of different nations all over the globe

      But back to the subject, Jesus can be proven through the

      Jewish Geneiology, Science can prove it by their discoveries from the bible, and History can prove it by historic Governments that have existed and are named in the bible, pharaohs, Ceasars, Roman coliseum , where Christians were killed , are still standing, Alexander the great was prophesied about way before his existence.

      There is overwhelming proof . But by the time you get the truth the way you expect it . Then the door is locked.

      Because the truth will be manifested.

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      Word 2 years ago from Chicago

      Hey billybuc, it is always a joy to see you reading my hubs. You have inspired so many people to write better hubs. That keeps them hanging on. You go my brother and thanks for your compliment of love and faith. Be blessed!

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      Word 2 years ago from Chicago

      Thank you Ms. Tate for such an assertive comment. The Father and Son demonstrate great love that I feel every day. I get in situations daily that requires my faith in Them to deliver me from the wiles of the day. I live it so carefree because I rest all of my burdens on Them.

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      Word 2 years ago from Chicago

      Thank you Dora for your very meaningful comment. How can you not admire what I said here. We are usually on the same page my friend.

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      Word 2 years ago from Chicago

      Ok Say Yes, I will need to read more of your hubs on this subject. I will get back to you after I understand your point of views a little more. Thank you for stopping by again.

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      Yoleen Lucas 2 years ago from Big Island of Hawaii

      word55 - I was in the cult 19 years ago. I wrote about the experience here: https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/My-Experi...

      I greatly revere the Seventh Day Adventist church, because it promotes healthy and wholesome living. Attending an SDA high school in Oakland saved my life, and my best childhood memories were made at an SDA summer camp.

      However, because of these traumatic experiences spanning 5 years, I have issues with Christianity. I know there are pat explanations for this, but the thought keeps running through my mind; "What if I ran my household that way? What sort of parent would I be?" That is why I wrote the 4 part hub series about the world's 10 most practiced religions. As I stated in the first one, the whole horrific experience taught me two things, 1) there is no Cosmic Santa Claus, and 2) there is more than one way to think.

      Call it blasphemy if you will, but if things had worked out for me in Seattle, I could have saved my niece from dropping out of high school to join a cult. Since the claim is that Jesus is alive and omnipotent to this day, it seems to me He should have stepped in - but He didn't. The same goes for a host of other far worse problems, like those kidnapped girls in Nigeria.

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      Word 2 years ago from Chicago

      Say Yes To Life, I thought you would attest to how real Jesus Christ is. Did you mean to say that Jesus' large religion of followers was due to "bullying tactics?" Are you no longer a SDA? You now say that you belong to a cult. Do you not believe that JC ever existed? I'd like to see a hub branch off of your findings .

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      Lawrence Hebb 2 years ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Say yes

      Personally I would disagree with the "unverifiable" comment (it all depends on how you treat the gospel records which I hope to deal with in later hubs) but sadly some of the rest is true of his followers (but not of Jesus himself)

      However maybe we can discuss that when the hub is written

      Lawrence

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      Yoleen Lucas 2 years ago from Big Island of Hawaii

      I read Lawrence01's hub, and thought he did an excellent job.

      I researched the world's 10 most practiced religions. Three have no leaders. Out of the remaining seven, Jesus is the only one with an unverifiable birth record, and who never wrote a book. His religion is the largest and most widespread, but that was achieved through bullying tactics. Yet, they claim to have Absolute Truth. How do you make sense of that?

      P.S. Being in a cult has changed the way I see things.

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      Lawrence Hebb 2 years ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Word 55

      So right there. My hub was responding to doubts that Jesus was a real person expressed in another hub. The point of it was that we can know our faith is founded on a real person who did what the gospels said he did.

      Have a good weekend

      Lawrence

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      Word 2 years ago from Chicago

      Thanks Lawrence, its's great thing to have good walk with Jesus. He's so real to me as well and it's a bonus to know Him.

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      Word 2 years ago from Chicago

      Thanks Jodah for you bonafide comment.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 2 years ago from The Caribbean

      I didn't read the Lawrence hub, but I admire you for responding. I believe with you that for the believer, personal faith is more powerful than research. Good that you believe passionately!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It's always an interesting read when you post an article. This is no different. I love your conviction and faith.

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      Dana Tate 2 years ago from LOS ANGELES

      Good response to his question. You were right on point.

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      Lawrence Hebb 2 years ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Word 55

      Awesome. I have a good walk with Jesus as well. Because he's so real to me I want to know about him.

      Excellent response to my hub.

      Lawrence

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Wonderful confirmation of your trust in Jesus as your Lord, Word. Well done. Now I have to go read Lawrence's hub.