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Rich Man and Lazarus Parable

Updated on November 28, 2009

The Parable of Lazarus and The Rich Man:

This parable has been used countless times by theologians to prove that the unrighteous will suffer an eternity in literal fire, with regenerating nervous systems in order to experience the full load of excruciating burning pain. The first time I read this parable I was rather confused. Taking these things literally would violate 100s of plain scripture. While confused I was even told by a churchian about this rich man being in such pain that he begged for a drop of water on his tongue. Well, enough of that spiritually dead silliness. Ray Smith of has opened my eyes to the true nature of this parable of Christ, and I have learned that the truth is far greater than what is taught in the church (which is morbidly grotesque). I have come to the conclusion that while the learned Pharisees of Christ’s day were far from understanding Christ’s parables, they did know their scriptures and probably knew exactly who Christ was talking about here. They knew who the rich man was and they knew who Lazarus was. And they were pissed!! But did they think that this man was in some pagan hell? Absolutely not. In fact, any intelligent person today should not make such an assumption. But I know that the spirit of Christ has little to nothing to do with worldly intellect. As Ray shows, there is nothing in a literal reading of this parable that would suggest that the rich man deserves punishment or that Lazarus deserves eternal bliss. We shall see what the symbols represent.

Now a certain man was rich. ..

Being rich is not a sin.

. . . he dressed in purple and fine linen

These colors identify much of the symbolism in this parable.

. . .daily making merry splendidly. . .

Hummm, still don’t see why he deserves the Christian hell. Oh yea, it’s symbolism.

Now there was a certain poor man. . .

Not recognized as a virtue of itself.

Named Lazarus. . .

This common name actually meant helpless.

. . .who had been cast at his portal (gate) . . .having sores. . .

Not a virtue deserving of heaven.

. . . yearning to be satisfied from the scraps (not crumbs) which are falling from the rich man’s table.

Godly men don’t beg for food. (Psa. 37:25) . . .Yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor His seed begging bread.

But the curs also, coming, licked his ulcers.

Dogs represent something here.

Now the poor man came to die and he is carried away by messengers into Abraham’s bosom.

Abraham’s bosom does not represent heaven.

Now the rich man also died, and was entombed . And in the unseen (hades), lifting up his eyes. . .

He’s dead. There is no consciousness in death. It must be figurative.

. . .being in torments (basanos). ..

While this can mean literal pains, it obviously is from being tested and proved through chastisement.

. . . he is seeing Abraham from afar. . .

How? I thought he was engulfed in flames.

And shouting said. . .

Psalm 31:17-let the wicked be ashamed, and let them be silent in the grave (sheol or hades, well, I guess this must be figurative)

. . . send Lazarus that he should be dipping the tip of his finger in water and cooling my tongue. ..

I would be more concerned about my burning ass, and a drop of water would do nothing.

I am tormented in this flame.

Singular flame and not flames. The Greek word translated “tormented” in verses 24 and 25 is adunao and it means to be sorrowful or pained emotionally. Adunao is used only two other times in all scripture and both times means emotional sorrow or pain. Notice:

Luke 2:48

. . . and His mother said unto Him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? Behold, Thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing (adunao).

Acts 20:38

Sorrowing (adunao) most of all for the words which he spoke, that they should see his face no more. And they accompanied him into the ship.

Now Abraham said, Child, be reminded that you got your good thing in your life, and Lazarus likewise evil things.

Pretty soft words to a man condemned to eternal hell. Are his sins mentioned?

Yet now here he is being consoled, yet you are in pain (adunao-sorrow)

Consoled in Greek is used in conjunction with someone who is in distress. There is no need to be consoled in the Kingdom of God (I refuse to say heaven).

And in all this, between us and you a great chasm has been established, so that those wanting to cross hence to you may not be able, nor yet those thence may be ferrying (diabaino) to us.

How can a chasm or gulf keep a spiritual body? Who would want to cross a gulf into hell anyway? Also, ferrying comes from the word diaperao or through-other-side, and is used of passage over water. So to escape the burning, he should just jump into the water.

Yet Abraham is saying to him, They have Moses and the prophets. Let them hear them!

If the rich man recognized Abraham then he couldn’t hear Moses. He wasn’t around yet.

No, father Abraham, but if someone should be going to them from the dead, they will be repenting.

Why didn’t the rich man say to send one from heaven to warn them?

The parable:

Who was a rich man?

Who was a poor man named Lazarus?

The only man who scripturally fits all the descriptions of the rich man is Judah. But all Israel under the headship of Judah.

Chron. 17:5

Therefore the Lord established the kingdom in his hand and all Judah brought to Jehoshaphat presents; and he had riches and honour in abundance.

Ver. 12

. . . and he built in Judah castles, and cities of store.

II Ch 32:27-29

Hezekiah (King of Judah):

. . . had exceeding much riches and honour; and he made himself treasures for silver, and for gold, and for precious stones. . . all manner of pleasant jewels; storehouses also for the increase of corn, and wine, and oilo, and stalls for all manner of beasts. . . he provided him cities, possessions of flocks and herds in abundance; for God had given him substance very much.

But what else did Judah possess?

Rom. 3:1-2

What, then is the prerogative (excess) of the Jew, or what the benefit of circumcision? Much in every manner. . . For first, indeed, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.

John 4:22

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

And what was the rich man wearing right before he went to hell? Ha Ha

. . . and he dressed in purple. . .

A color used in garments of a bluish red, by a dye obtained from a shell fish, purpura. It denotes rank of royalty (Greek-English Concor.)

Judah was to carry the royal line in Israel.

Gen. 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, now a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shilo come. David as well as our Lord was of the line of Judah.

God has always elevated Judah above the other Tribes.”

Ray makes a point that Judah, while the third born to Israel, is listed first by God when listing the tribes of Israel in Revelations.

. . .and cambric (fine linen). . .

this is symbolic of the clothing the priest wore and was of the interior decorations of the Tabernacle itself. (Ex. 26:1) Levites and the priests were loyal to Judah through their long history. Judah had both the Scepter and the Priesthood.

Ezra 1:3

Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites. . . God had raised, to go up to build the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem.

Father Abraham “. . .Child, be reminded. . .Abraham was Judah’s Great Grandfather.

They have Moses and the Prophets. . .

“The Kingdom of Judah did have “Moses and the Prophets.” They were the protectors and scribes of those very documents till the time of our Lord’s ministry, when Jesus said that they sit in Moses’ seat. Judah was the very depository for The Law (Moses), The Prophets, and the Writings. Remember the Oracles were given to the Jews (Rom. 3:1-2)

I have five brothers. . .

Problem!! Judah had 11 brothers. But through his mother, Leah, he had. . .

  1. Reuben
  2. Simeon
  3. Levi
  4. Issachar
  5. Zebulun

Yep, that’s five brothers.

So who is this Lazarus?

Was in Abraham’s bosom showing a very close emotional relationship.

Jon 1:18-“Christ likens Himself as being in the bosom of His Father.

Jon 13:23-John leaned back into Jesus’ bosom.

“Christ had told the Jews, they didn’t do the works of faith that their Father Abraham did. So Judah is not in the bosom of Abraham as Lazarus is.

Gen. 15:2-3

Behold, to me (Abram) thou hast given no seed; and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. “Abram told God that since he had no son, his chief steward, Eliezer, would be his heir and inherit all that was his.”

“Eliezer was so faithful a steward to Abraham that he was planning to give him all, including the promised land.” But then Abraham had a son Isaac leaving Eliezer out.

Eliezer would just be a Gentile from Damascus as well as all of his generations. They would be known as dogs. Despite this, he remained faithful to Abraham, even finding a wife for Isaac.

“Eliezer would receive non of the spiritual promises or possessions from God.” “As a Gentile, all he can ever hope for are the spiritual “crumbs” that fall from the Rich man’s spiritual table.

Faith of The Gentiles

Mk. 6:27-29

Now the woman was a Greek, a native of Syro-Phoenicia (A Gentile), and she asked Him that He should be casting the demon out of her daughter. Yet Jesus said to her, ‘Let first the children (The Jews) be satisfied, for it is not ideal to take the children’s bread and cast it to the dogs.’ Yet she answered and is saying to Him, “Yes, Lord, For the dogs also, underneath the table, are eating the scraps from the little children.’ And He said to her, ‘Because of this saying, go. The demon has come out of your daughter. (“This woman was not asking for scraps of food but a small portion of Christ’s spiritual blessing. Just as Lazarus does not represent a street beggar but something much greater than one single beggar in the street.)

When Christ entered Capernaum a centurion (a Roman, a Gentile) asked Christ to heal his boy. Christ said He would come. The Centurion said He need only to “say the word” and he would trust Christ for the healing!

Mat. 8:5-10

When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to them that followed, ‘Verily I say unto you I have not found so great faith no, not in Israel.

Mat. 8:11-12

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and the west (Gentiles), and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the Kingdom of Heaven, but the children of the kingdom (Judah, the Jews) shall be cast into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Of course not forever, and gnashing of teeth is figurative for how the Jews will react to loosing out on the promises of God.) (What’s that scripture that says “The last will be first and the first will be last”? Well it doesn’t say the last will go to heaven and the first will go to hell.)

Lazarus Is Eliezer!!

The Greek “Lazarus” is from Lazaros (Helpless).

But in Hebrew “Lazarus” is Elazar or Eliezer from el (God) and azar (Help).

The God of Help is God.

“We gentiles could now look to Eliezer as a father of rare faith as the Jews could look to father Abraham.”

Lazarus (Eliezer) was . . . cast at his (Rich man’s) gate (portal). . .

Gentiles no longer have to stand outside the gate. They have direct access to God. We now find the Gentiles in the bosom of Abraham, and the Jews engulfed in the flame of Anti-Semitism for the past 2000 years.

. . . having ulcers . . .Lazarus represents spiritually poor Gentiles, but is healed in Abraham’s bossom

. . . Father Abraham, be merciful to me, and send Lazarus that he should be dipping the tip of his finger in water. . . How appropriate.

Mat 23:4-For they (Judah) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

1 Kg. 12:7:11-. . . and spake unto Rehoboam (King of Judah), saying, . . . make thou the grievous service of thy father, and his heavy yoke which he put upon us, lighter, and we will serve thee. But he forsook the counsel of the old men. . . My little finger shall be thicker than my father’s loins . . . my father hath chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.

“Now Judah begs the assistance of a finger from a poor man (a poor Gentile). It was custom for pious Jews to cut a section of their garment off if it were so much as touched by the finger of a Gentile.

. . and cooling my tongue. . . .

his desperation would allow a gentile to touch his tongue?

“This man (rich man) is frightened. His tongue is swelling as is typical when people are scared.” (David said let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth. . .it I forget to remember Jerusalem.”

Isa. 3:8-For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen; because their tongue and their doings are against the Lord. . .

Lazarus can’t come over to the Rich man even if he wanted to, because of this “chasm.”

And in all this, between us and you a great chasm (gulf) has been established.

Remember, After 40 years of wandering the desert, God’s people needed to cross the “Jordan River Valley” (runs through a great chasm or gulf) to reach the promised land. (Remember that crossing the red sea as well as the Jordan were the ways to a symbolic salvation, however, they never received the water baptisms to do so).

There is a realm called hades (the unseen) which is an enemy of man and has gates, for which God has keys.

“And I have the keys to hades (not hell) and of death. (But is there hope?)

The Lord Says

Heb. 8:8-10-. . . I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and the house of Judah. . . For this is the covenant that I will make (future tense) with the house of Irael after those days (of blindness and unregenerate hearts crying out from the symbolic gates of hades), saith the Lord; I will put my Laws into their minds, and write them in their hearts; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.

Rom 11:26-And thus all Israel shall be saved. . . (but if the rich man represents Israel then he must not be in some pagan hell).

Remember-II Kg. 19:17-. . . Judah kept not the commandment of the Lord. . .

When teaching this parable literally, the rich man hardly deserves any kind of torment. Not until we identify him as the entire Jewish race (most anyway) do we understand God’s judgments against him (them). He referred to them as adulterous, evil, transgressors, faithless, perverse, hypocrites, murderers, blind guides, fools, generation of snakes.

But how can Christ base a parable on one crying out from hades (the unseen) well, he did it as Jehovah.

Gen. 4:10-. . .the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Less than forty years after Christ spoke this parable, God took away the Temple and the Ark of the Covenant. For several centuries the Jews had wandered throughout the world not having a home until 1948. They still face horrific persecution.

Yet he said to him, If Moses and the prophets they are not hearing, neither will they be persuaded if someone should be rising from among the dead.

Well how would Abraham know? Actually, it is Christ speaking as this is prophetic. It’s ironic that the only person resurrected by Christ whose name we know, was a man by the name of Lazarus. After this many Jews believed in Him. However, others reported this miracle back to the Pharisees who sought to kill Him. So Lazarus rising from the dead did not persuade the Jewish religious leaders. This parable is speaking about the resurrection of Christ though and not that of Lazarus.

Rom. 9:25-I shall be calling those who are not My people, My people.

But why don’t the Jewish people get it.

Rom. 11:7

What Israel is seeking for, this she did not encounter, yet the chosen encountered it. Now the rest were calloused. . .

Rom. 11:8

God gives them a spirit of stupor, eyes not to be observing, and ears not to be hearing, till this very day. (When will that be?)

Rom. 11:15

For if their (the Jews) casting away is the conciliation of the world, what will the taking back be if not life from among the dead?

Rom. 11:26

. . . that callousness (by God), in part, on Israel has come, until the complement of the nations may be entering. And thus all Israel shall be saved. . .(Us too!!!)

For a thorough analysis of The Lazarus and the Rich Man parable, go to

Anyhow, after hearing for the umpteenth time that I should read about The Lazarus and Rich Man to learn about some literal hell, I decided to post this. It is not my work but a crude summary of Ray Smith’s (hope he doesn’t mind). It’s a wonder that those who take this parable literally even believe in their bible to begin with. The story makes no sense literally. It just doesn’t. Who gives a crap about what someone is wearing before going to hell? I wouldn’t. I’d be concerned for him, wondering if he’d packed enough Sun Block 10 billion into his hell sack. People, open your eyes. It’s not talking about someone burning in hell. It’s talking about an entire society loosing favor with God (you know, the first will be last and the last will be first?) Please!! By the way, I had to read Ray’s article about 3 times and study it before it made sense. And boy does it!!



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      Hell N0 

      6 years ago

      Why do you say that Janos?

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      6 years ago

      This parable was not told by Lord Jesus. This is a fake my friends.

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      7 years ago

      @Dave: Rich doesn't automatically imply pride and immorality, poor doesn't automatically imply humility and morality. The parable gives us no information on their character. You should not assume things.

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      Hell N0 

      7 years ago

      Dave, you are thinking that these two were actual people who existed? It's obvious that they are representative of gentiles and Isrealites of that time and now. That being said, try and convert your thinking of these indivuals into the two races they represent. This parable has nothing to do with what some rich guy was wearing when he died and went to. . . . . .(you fill in the blank because I won't assume that you're a heller).

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      7 years ago

      That was a lot of info. I just want to put it simple on what I think. Lazarus was a humble and contrite person-soul. There was no pride in him, he knew he needed forgiveness. And new he could not obtain that on his own behalf. He was a humble person. On the other hand the rich man was the opposite, not humble not contrite, In his mind he was a good upstanding individual.He had money for nice clothes and all the other things that come with wealth. The rich man was looking at the exterior of himself and not the inter man. He looked wonderful on the outside but that is not what counts. I'm not the most articulate person, but I hope I made some sense. Dave...

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      Hell N0 

      8 years ago

      Hey Mike. It's good to see that there are some who are not swayed by idiot doctrines of modern day Babylonian churches of this world. Feel free to comment any time.

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      8 years ago

      The richman and lazarus is a parable,many try to turn this story into a literal account to prove their pagan doctrine of eternal torment.jesus himself said"i will open my mouth in parables" so to say that it,s not a parable makes jesus out to be a liar,and futhermore the bible states that without a parable he did not speak.

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      8 years ago

      Defining an ”Age”

      An age means a time period, usually very long, but it does not have to be long. It depends on circumstances. An age has a beginning, it has a middle part, and it has an end. That is the most important thing. It has an end. If it has an end, it must have also a beginning. It is not something that you can equate with “eternity,” or even the word “forever.” The word “forever” has no end, it means it goes on and on and on, ad infinitum.

      The ages of the Bible are not that way. They have beginnings. They have a middle portion between the beginning and the end, but they always have an end. This is why it is so important for us to realize this: so many words in the Bible are mistranslated by such words as “eternal,” as “forever,” or “ever and ever” when in actual fact the original writers did not intend that type of meaning at all.

      Some of the basic doctrines of Christianity today — false doctrines — are based on a misconception, misunderstanding, or mistranslations of the Hebrew and the Greek on this very subject. The doctrine of the ages has been, and is, vastly misunderstood by many people.

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      Hell N0 

      8 years ago

      Thanks for writing LTT. It's amazing that people still use obvious wrong translations to defend their eternal hell garbage. And the word eternal is obviously wrong because you can't have two eternals and you can't have before the eternities. But it's the spiritual and symbolical meanings of the scriptures that ultimately destroy the notion of the hell doctrine and christians just can't see it. I've even had those that tell me that they are not interested in spiritual teachings, they just read the bible. Amazing. Anyhow, I've covered just about every aspect that I can on the subject of hell throughout my hubs and proven that the scriptures teach universal salvation. I don't think that I have convinced anybody that God has not already brought to the truth. Most of my hubs on scripture are older but lately I have dealt more with satire. I just like goofing on the many hellers that I have met here on hub pages.

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      8 years ago

      HN--keep up the gr8 work. So glad when I find people like you that are not afraid to say the truth. I used to be terrorized by the doctrine of ET. I almost had a nervous breakdown because of it--literally. I COULD NOT worship, trust or love a god like that. The doctrine of ET is soooo repugnant against my sense of justice. Nobody asked to be born. But most christains will have the world believe that if you don't get it right in this lifetime and accept Christ now well too bad---burn 4-eva!! Just sickening. Most ppl out in the world dnt really understand the way of salvation. 150,000 ppl die each day, and most of them have never accepted Christ. Some never even heard of Him. I'm sooo glad that God put a lady in my life's path that showed me the mistranslations and the REAL words Jesus spoke Gehenna Fire. My study began from there. It was such a relief. I could love God again. It made sense. I feel so sorry for the soft-hearted christains that are duked into believing this. There are others that cant stand the thought either, but nobody has showed them these mistranslations. I have pity on them cuz I know what that feels like. BUT--I get extremely angry at the so-called christains that defend the ET doctrine as though they DONT WANT it to be false. Sickening!!! God bless u on spreading the truth. God is JUST. ppl will get what they deserve--but NOT excrutiating pain and torment for all eternity. plz keep it up. I wish EVERYONE bothered by this evil,false,pagan doctrine that makes our loving creator sound more like Satan, would come to the knowledge of the TRUTH!! No wonder there are so many athiests in the world--mainly because of so-called christains. Sad.

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      Hell N0 

      8 years ago

      Oh, well I don't believe in hell because it's a crock of crap based on the worst pagan teachings and adopted to control the masses. And a few terribly wrong translations. And I don't mind talking about it so you're off on that as well VU.

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      Vladimir Uhri 

      8 years ago from HubPages, FB

      Hello. First time visitor.

      I do not know Ray.

      But I do know Jesus. Jesus used real stuff to describe something which man cannot see and understand with the brain. I mean spiritual matters. I believed Jesus seen what nobody did except God Father, Him, angels, and Lazarus, Abraham, and Rich man. Of course rich man did not go to hell because he was rich the scripture is clear about it.

      Regarding of parable of course parable of Sower shows not the kingdom of God is seed of wheat from which we bake bread. But Jesus really seen and others did field with wheat to relate with.

      I believe the hell is: everything what man do not like and plenty what he hates.

      People do not believe in hell since they do not like anyone will talk about it.

      Interesting Hub.

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      Hell N0 

      9 years ago

      Oh, sorry JL!!


      Better late than never.

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      9 years ago from Washington DC/Northern VA

      great Hub Hell No

      Its really funny when you consider Hell and Death will be thrown in the LOF. Where will all those people the Christians have condemned to Hell for all eternity going to live?

      Christ will abolish Death and the Grave... you die, you go into the grave. so it will be abolished.... where all all those people stuck in hell for all eternity going to go? HMM?

      Nowhere ... cause there is no such thing. Geez Lukewarm Christians who follow false doctrines will always be proven wrong when you follow truthful Scriptural study.

      Can I get a AMEN!

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      9 years ago

      Never thought of Gehenna that way before to prove that the LOF isn't forever.

      "As Jesus said And I know you will say that this translation is wrong but how can all those you want to be right and this one is wrong. Think about it and Pray and read the Bible. "

      You do know that there is no "best bible", right? In the end, a bible is merely a translation of the original scriptures. Translations may carry mistakes here and there, because you cannot perfectly translate anything from one language to another, word for word perfect. And there's also the preconceived ideas of the translators which may carry into the translation, eg. "eternity", "hell", etc. Then there's like a hundred different translations, so which bible do you think we should study for 100% truth? No, not the KJV darnit.

      Rather, study the original Hebrew and Greek scriptures alongside the bible for maximum powaz.

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      Hell N0 

      9 years ago

      So Elroy, I trust that if we ever meet in person we will not be able to shake hands. No, not because we don't like one another, but because you can't possibly have any hands to begin with if you take those scriptures literally. Nor should you have any feet. And don't try to drive down here, because you would have had to pull out the carving equipment and gone to work on your eyes by now. So you must be an eyeless cripple.

      But just in case it isn't too late (it can't be if you're reading this), those scriptures are speaking of sins of the heart. Your eyes can't sin. Neither can your hands. Christ was saying to cut the sins out of your heart rather than face judgment. Gehenna fire cannot be quenched. Why? Because it must burn up what it is intended to burn up first. The location of Gehenna is a beautiful park now. And it was never physically quenched. Why is it not still on fire? I'll tell you why. Because it has burned up everything that it was designed to burn up. That is what happens to us in judgment. And since only His twelve decipals were even with him during this Sermine on the Mount, we can conclude that this judgment is geared only towards the elect during their life times. Want proof?

      Matt. 5:1 Now, perceiving the throngs, He ascended into the mountain. And, at His being seated, His disciples came to Him.

      His decipals are a representation of His elect for all time. He's speaking here of judgment during our lifetimes.

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      9 years ago

      Hn I know he was saying he would be saved in the Day of the Lord That is what I told you from Scripture but I said he was saved from what could that be a Hell you can judge that only God can the word speaks the Truth. As Jesus said  And I know you will say that this translation is wrong but how can all those you want to be right  and this one is wrong.  Think about it and Pray and read the Bible. Praise God for you and you are in my Payers.                    Amen

      Matt 5:22  Hell Fire is translated to gehennah fire. But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

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      Hell N0 

      9 years ago

      Yeah, Ray does have a lot of scriptural insight doesn't he? And how he makes sense out of the scriptures. Man, without a spiritual understanding, how is anyone gonna make since out of the bible? I mean, those parables? And Revelations? And all of those terms such as brimstone and beast and false prophet? Where does one begin? Just read the bible huh? Too bad people that say this don't actually pay attention to the words in scripture. They say they get their truth from a book that they can't even understand. And with all of those bad translations such as hell and eternal. It really makes the scriptures about blindness and pride come to life. I mean, how can people be fed such proof for what the words of scripture actually mean and yet, they deny it in favor of those ministers of deception crawling all over the pews on Sunday? Those ridiculous, nonsense sermins of which they themselves don't understand their own words. And to realize that with all of the major doctrines of churches containing error (sometimes total error) no two denominations agrees with anything outside of those doctrines. It's good to have a few great teachers that have escaped the deceptions of Babylon to a much richer understanding of God and the scriptures. So no need to thank me for revealing Ray and his teachings. Gifts from God should be shared. And I'm honored to share them. Have a nice night.

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      9 years ago

      HN I see now where your coming from I did not understand before so forgive me for thinking you were writing, or the Lord was using you, so Ray is in Control. God Bless you and your new what ever he is Ray. May God Have Mercy on everyone. It good to see you say Pray for the Truth now we are getting somewhere! Amen

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      Hell N0 

      9 years ago

      II  Kings 28:3

      Moreover he burnt incense in the valley of the son of Hinnom, and burnt his children in the fire. . .(there was fire there)

      II Chron. 33:6

      He sacrificed his sons in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, . . .(not hell)

      These were abominable acts.  Do you believe that god would stoop to this level.  Gehenna is used as an example of judgment in the NT.  Not an example of literal burning for all eternity.  The death represented in the OT times is only an example for the death of the carnal mind that takes place in judgment. 

      What do you think the day of the Lord is?  Why do you think man is turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh?  Well, I'll answer that.  So they can "then" be judged and saved.  That is, saved in the day of the Lord.  That is the next age (The Kingdom Age)  And it doesn't say to be saved from the day of the Lord.  That's what you wrote.  The day of the Lord will be the toughest day (eon) ever for those judged. 

      Actually, Hades is used as Sheol or unseen all 11 times.  If you pay attention, you'll see that the KJ translators were very carefull not translate hades hell in one instance.

      Cor. 15:55 (The one time hades is translated grave)

      O death, where is thy sting?  O grave (hades) where is thy victory?


      See, if it is suggested that hell would have no victory, then it would go against the very doctrine of hell that had been held in the days of the King James translations.  Hell must always have victory over its inhabitants or else it couldn't last forever.


      Using actual names never makes a parable literal.  I guess you didn't actually read my summary.  And parables were not used by Christ to make his teachings easier to understand.  Quite the contrary. 


      Matt. 13:11-16

      Because it is given unto you (the elect) to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is Not Given-Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

      This is why the many do not understand God's truths.

      You know, you act as though believing in hell is acceptable.  You feel that I am wrong for rebuking one who is trying to convince me that such a place exists.  Do you even realize how sick that belief system is?  This isn't about just "some doctrine".  You are claiming that people will be burned physically for all eternity.  Am I right?  If I am, then you should be ashamed.  And you feel that you are actually learning truths from the bible?  If you don't understand what those verses you gave me imply, then you aren't learning that much.  That is why you need to study other sources that explain these doctrines to you.  I don't know everything.  But I damn well know that the scriptures teach an eventual salvation of all and this hell "doctrine" is an abomination never even mentioned in a scriptural sense.  Pray for truth.  You'd be surprised what God can do for you. 

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      9 years ago

      Hey HN Here is some more meat for you, your milk is going to get stronger the more you grow. It is a shame that a christian goes on a rampage over anyone who believes the Bible say there is a Hell. You believe what you believe I will believe what I am being told about this subject thru the Bible not your hubs so Thanks for being a good hubsman this is what it is all about isn't it. Here another scripture for you to say its wrong. Paul said

      To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Again why does he need to be saved from the day of the Lord. Good Question so let me know you have a answer for everything . And think about this when there are actual peoples names used in a parable is this not viewed in a different light for Parables are they not for hidden meanings to people that cannot understand. So when you tell a actual story of a event that took place he then uses the actual names of the people of course the man could be anyone. Hope this helps you Amen

      Hell is generally used to refer to the Grave! Or a place of the dead the unseen world. But in the New Testament 11 times that Hades is used but only once is it used as Sheol or the Grave the other 10 times it refers to a place of torment the word Gehenna the other 12 times the word Hell is used it from Gehenna or Gehenna of Fire. It is the name of a place where the Valley of Hinnom south of Jerusalem where the burnt filth and dead animals a place of destruction. I hope you can see.

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      9 years ago

      Hey Roy, as soon as you're able to drink spiritual milk without spitting it all over your diaper, maybe you can comprehend the profound symbolism in the parable I summarized above. I know that you can't actually chew spiritual meat but if you carefully read what I wrote, you would see that this parable does nothing for your vile doctrine of eternal torment. Not one of your scriptures (well, bible verses because hell is an improper translation in every case) lends any credability to the doctrine of eternal torment. I've been through each of them in other hubs but you don't actually read entire articles, do you? Those you listed, speak of judgment in this life and the next. Sorry to disappoint you but judgment is necessarry for salvation.

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      9 years ago

      Hell No, Here are a few other Scriptures

      And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.Matt 24:51

      And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Matt 13:42

      Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Ish 5:14

      Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.Ish 14:15

      And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Matt 10:38

      And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.Rev 20:14    It seems the Fear of God is not Important to some!

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      9 years ago

      That I have... But I'm sure glad you posted it here, and in a quick, simple form. It's so true that Ray's teachings make so much sense.. I think too much sense for some [if that makes any sense]. It's like some people think, "Naw. It can't be THAT simple..." But yes it is!

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      Hell N0 

      9 years ago

      BIF, guess you know where I got all of that info. I think I got most of the main points of Ray. They make alot of sense. I was getting tired of people using the "Rich Man Parable" against me so I put that up. Thanks for reading, even though you've undoubtedly read the full version at bible-truths.

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      9 years ago

      Great hub, my friend!

      It's amazing how I ever believed such a ridiculous teaching like "dead Christians are [literally] in Abraham's bosom"--awkward!!!

      Thank God He led me to BIBLETRUTHS.COM last year. Life makes so much more sense now!

      Anyways, keep up the great work, and keep "trampling over [those] serpents and snakes..."



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