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The Origins of the Trinity Doctrine

Updated on December 9, 2018
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The Trinity doctrine is the pillar of all Christendom, but many do not know the origins of their beliefs. To get a clearer understanding, we must go back through history and look into Scripture to see the trail of this doctrine that has manifested into the largest religion in the world today.

Looking to the Past to Define the Future

There is a parallel pertaining to the man-driven church system today and what she represents. We can get a clearer picture by going back to her origins that are recorded in Scripture.

The events that transpired and the gods that were birthed in ancient Babylon have great spiritual influence and significance today.

In the Old Testament, the heathen king Nebuchadnezzar of ancient Babylon had authority over government and religion. He made a great golden idol and commanded all the people of different languages and nations to bow down before an image as a token of their allegiance. All those who refused would face the consequences.

And the herald proclaimed aloud, “You are commanded, O PEOPLES, NATIONS, AND LANGUAGES, that when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, bagpipe, and every kind of music, YOU ARE TO FALL DOWN AND WORSHIP THE GOLDEN IMAGE that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be CAST INTO A BURNING FIERY FURNACE.” – Daniel 3:4-6

The issue at this point in time in ancient Babylon was about who or what you worshiped. Both the religious and the political came together mandating worship to an idol.

However, there was a small minority who refused to worship the pagan image because they understood who the true God of Heaven (the Father) was. They refused to worship the idol that symbolized loyalty and allegiance to the ancient Kingdom of Babylon.

As we move through history to today, there are similar parallels from the past as many continue to worship an idolatrous image. The representatives of this religion have given great authority throughout history to today.

We can see the clear similarities between the past and future events pertaining to worship practices that are enforced on the peoples and the nations, especially the Catholic Church

The term Babylon referenced in the Old Testament can be applied in the same way to to the man-driven institutional church system and the worship of the Trinity. The parallels of worshipping the image equates to idolatry. Today, the great deception is that they are worshipping a man as God.

I will not execute the kindling of My anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim, for I am God and not a man. In your midst is the Holy One, and I will not enter a city. - Hosea 11:9

God is not a man that He should lie, nor is He a mortal that He should relent. Would He say and not do, speak and not fulfill? - Numbers 23:19

The System

Many are deceived and will try enforce the religious dogma on other by coercing with fear of going to hell for not believing what they do.

The Power of Spiritual Babylon

Just as the ancient city of Babylon had great power over the people, the Catholic religion and all her daughters have great power over the masses.

This religious system with their Trinity doctrine defies the worship of the one true God.

The corrupt church system that is manifest today worships the god of the Roman Catholic Church.

Please click on the link below and reference the words that are in the red boxed area.


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John Dowling, The History of Romanism, 2nd edition, 1852, pp. 646, 47).
John Dowling, The History of Romanism, 2nd edition, 1852, pp. 646, 47).
Vatican City, a  Babylonian sun-symbol, an astrological Babylonian-Assyrian and heathen sun-symbol, also in the form of an encircled cross referred to as a 'solar wheel.'
Vatican City, a Babylonian sun-symbol, an astrological Babylonian-Assyrian and heathen sun-symbol, also in the form of an encircled cross referred to as a 'solar wheel.'
ecumenical unity
ecumenical unity

You are probably thinking that you have heard all this before. Many of the Protestant Church fathers claimed that that office of the papacy was false. Although Protestants reject some of the doctrines of the Catholic Church, they are not removed completely from them. They still belong to a religious system born of her. They embrace and worship the same Trinity god of their Mother. The fact is that a Protestant is a rebellious Catholic who decides what doctrines and traditions of the Roman Catholic Church to keep or disregard. They are protesters (Protest- ant). Every church denomination today embraces some of the same doctrines and traditions that they have inherited from their Mother.

What Protestants and the thousands of other church denominations have inherited from the Mother is the worship of their god they call a 'Trinity.'

Joining Rome
Joining Rome

The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the "mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God". - Catechism of the Catholic Church

The Trinity is an incomprehensible mystery.The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the Church system.

The Trinity
The Trinity

The doctrine of the Trinity creates confusion because it cannot be reconciled in the mind. Everyone has their own version of trying to explain it, but it always proves to be illogical.

Tower of Babel
Tower of Babel
Tammuz
Tammuz

Ancient Babylon

If we go all the way back to ancient Babylon, there are a few things that can be further discovered. From ancient sources such as the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' and archaeological finds from ancient Mesopotamian and Egyptian cities, the events of ancient Babylon with Scriptural references reveal an ancient system of worship shrouded in symbols and imagery.

In the book of Genesis (10:8-12, 11:1-9) there was a man named Nimrod who was a man of great power. He and his wife Semiramis decided to build a great tower in rebellion against God with the purpose of perpetuating a secret mysterious form of worship. The reason for their secrecy was that there were still many who still worshiped the one true God of Noah.

As the roots of this pagan religion started to take hold across the lands, it came to the point of becoming a one world religion. This brought anger to God so He confused their language. This led to the destruction of the tower and dispersion of the people throughout the world into many language groups.

This mystery system of worship carried on through Nimrod’s life. After he died, his wife made him into a deity. She claimed that upon her husband's death, he ascended into the sun making him a symbol of sun worship. Samiramis would later become pregnant and claim that she conceived with the seed (ray of sun) of Nimrod. When she bore a son, she named him Tammuz claiming he was the reincarnation of Nimrod as God in human form. Eventually, Nimrod, Tammuz and Semiramis would claim deity and be known and worshipped as the three persons of the one sun god.

Brama, Vishnu and Shiva
Brama, Vishnu and Shiva
Osiris, Horus and Isis
Osiris, Horus and Isis
Zeus, Apollo and Athena
Zeus, Apollo and Athena

This Trinity doctrine would have its origins within ancient Babylon with God the Father (Nimrod) and God the Son (Tammuz) as well as worship of Semiramis (Queen of Heaven). They would become the Trinity.

After God confounded the language of the people in Babylon, the many different groups spread throughout the earth taking with them the same system of worship that originated from ancient Babylon. The same concepts and principles of the three in one god has left a footprint in the many different cultures throughout history. Since the languages changed with each people group, so did the names of the persons in the three in one god.

Here are a few examples of the different names within their triune entity:

  • Babylon: Nimrod, Tammuz and Samiramis
  • Egypt: Osiris, Horus and Isis
  • Greece: Zeus, Apollo and Athena
  • India: Brama, Vishnu and Shiva
  • Rome: Jupiter, Mars and Venus
  • Christianity: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit

The common denominator of the Trinity is that it originated from ancient Babylon. The sun became a fitting symbol for Satan because it was the supreme symbol for life. The three stages of the sun (rising, mid-day and setting) fit well because they were already worshiping three different persons. The three phases of the sun into one would become the universal meaning of deity. The three interlocking circles would look like an equilateral triangle

The symbols of the Trinity that hid open worship to Satan would be incorporated into their art work as ancient archaeological finds attest to.

The symbol of Christianity embedded in the triquetra.
The symbol of Christianity embedded in the triquetra.

The Hidden Meaning Behind the Trinity

The roots, origins and footprint of the Trinity doctrine can clearly be seen throughout history.

The mystery that is hidden beneath the surface of the Trinity is 666. This symbol is without a doubt found among many pagan images and artifacts.

Then you shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you and destroy all their figured stones and destroy all their metal IMAGES and demolish all their high places. – Numbers 33:52

t for Tammuz
t for Tammuz

In the Torah, God clearly detested the symbolic imagery of the sun gods the pagans worshiped. Today, we can find this same imagery that Christendom worships. God is not pleased that many are deceived into worshiping the Trinity because it is idolatry. He also is not pleased that Christians partake of the birth of Tammuz (God the Son) whom they call 'Jesus' during Christmas and his ascension to Nimrod (Baal) during the celebration of Easter as part of their worship to their Trinitarian sun god.

This is the same god of the Roman Catholic Church and all her harlots. The Trinity of ancient Babylon is the same Trinity today. Those who accept this sun god are in bondage to dogma of the man-driven church system steeped in man-made traditions that go all the way back to ancient Babylon. Today, the manifestation of the god they worship attests to the holidays they celebrate.

666 is the sign of their allegiance to their triune god they worship.

The Golden Calf

The worship of Satan has been passed down through the generations in every culture. The Trinity is the golden calf of the Catholic Church and modern Christianity.

And he received the gold from their hand and fashioned it with a graving tool and made a golden calf. And they said, “THESE ARE YOUR GODS, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!” - Exodus 32:4

Notice something interesting in the next verse,

When Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it. And Aaron made a proclamation and said, “TOMORROW SHALL BE A FEAST TO THE LORD.” - Exodus 32:5

Trying to reconcile the Trinity as worship to the one true God is impossible, just as these two above verses cannot be reconciled. The Trinity doctrine is the ‘strong delusion’ of our day. May it be exposed for the deception that it is.

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    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      2 years ago

      Redland Girl,

      The Trinity doctrine can be tackled from many different angles. This article touches on just one of the many aspects. It takes a quite an in depth study to understand why the Trinitarian doctrine is false and the consequence of adhering to it.

      You said,

      (("Going after them with the message that they are serving Satan, I would discourage people from doing."))

      I believe that Trinitarian doctrine deceptively twists Scripture to make it believable to those who allow themselves to be indoctrinated by its teaching. A have written many articles that expose this deception.

      Here are two articles in the following links that tackle the false Trinity doctrine from a completely different angle. The Trinity doctrine is not as innocent as it seems, but is a sinister man-made doctrine the voids people from having victory in Christ.

      Here are two articles (part 1-2) that tackles the Trinity doctrine from a completely different angle that may help in your search for truth.

      http://hub.me/akkKK

      http://hub.me/akmhJ

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      Jay C OBrien 

      2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

      Redland Girl, I tend to agree with you. Two points.

      1. The finite cannot understand the infinite. God is greater than we can describe. Thus any specific description of God must be flawed.

      2. Remembering #1, here is an idea for the "Trinity." We have our conscious mind, subconscious mind and an over mind. Our conscious mind connects to the over mind through the subconscious. The subconscious is a great storehouse of information which is only partially understood. The over mind is our God. We are all connected to each other through our subconscious minds. See Hub, "My Telepathic Experiences."

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      Redland Girl 

      2 years ago

      I recognize that the Trinity is a misunderstanding of the scripture and an important topic. Your work to show the origins of Trinitarian doctrine is some work that I have not seen before. As such, I would have fact check a lot of the information myself before I passed it along -- something that I used to encourage the people I taught in church to do. I do believe, moreover, that it is the individual who ascribes meaning to a symbol; i.e, the meaning of the fish or a picture of Mary holding the Christ. At first Paul instructed the church not to eat meat offered to idols. Then, he later suggests that it is what the person partaking of the meat believes that is important. This concept, I believe, is important because it draws a line at some of the over the top doctrinal messages that I have read and heard over the years that lead Christians into bondage. Soon, everything becomes a symbol. I can't have a mouse figurine in my house as it is a sign of Satan. The mouse was created by God; it is therefore good to me. (There was a time when I was young that I was so bound up by everyone's historical research that proved something else that I had or did was a sign of Satan at one time, that it was crazy-making for me. I lived in fear of what I would be told next that was evil; that is when church starts feeling like a cult -- when fear dominated my life. ) So too, legalism: Women should not cut their hair some continue to focus on, yet Paul says, "We have no other custom." This is, once again, important because styles of dress change down through the centuries. God's truth is never changing. His principles stand the test of time down through mankind's history and across cultures with their changing mores. I don't worship Satan if I have a fish on my car -- if that is not what the fish means to me. A problem does arise if I believe another doctrine outside of Christ crucified. I do not know how God is going to handle all the things about which many have a lack of understanding. (I include myself in this.) There are those who by happenchance are raised or saved in a church that preaches that God is One (not unity but one) that do not clearly understand this concept. The Bible is deep for those who are deep; however, for those who have a low IQ, brain injury, are a child, the Bible is simple. Finally, I worry about how some Christian (usually the was saved a week ago) with a lack of sense is going to approach his Trinitarian grandmother with this information. Bringing people into a deeper understanding that the Father manifest Himself in flesh (the Son) for them is a beautiful message. Going after them with the message that they are serving Satan, I would discourage people from doing.

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      PlanksandNails 

      3 years ago

      Mark,

      I have been on the other side. The Trinity doctrine is something that has been etched into many people's minds. The fact is, if one was to throw out the Trinity doctrine, many other false doctrines would have to go too as so many are attached to it. When one comes to that revelation by the Holy Spirit, their eyes will opened to the harlot Church system that they support and hopefully they will come out of her.

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      mark horsley 

      3 years ago

      Well done. I have been trying to explain to people one God one

      spirit and they think I am crazy.

    • Rich kelley profile image

      Rich Kelley 

      3 years ago from The Ekklesia

      Isa 5:4-6 What more could have been done for my vineyard than I have done for it? When I looked for good grapes, why did it yield only bad? Now I will tell you what I am going to do to my vineyard: I will take away its hedge, and it will be destroyed; I will break down its wall, and it will be trampled. I will make it a wasteland, neither pruned nor cultivated, and briers and thorns will grow there. I will command the clouds not to rain on it."

      The Prophet is speaking of Israel, however this is an excellent description of what is happening as the time of the gentiles begins to draw to an end. God is not in church anymore, His protective walls and hedge of protection is gone. He has turned them over to the desires of their flesh. Those that lead and support the apostate church don’t see the waste land, and wouldn’t know a thorn from an olive branch. When the lord puts scales on their eyes they can’t see. The only end time increase is the distance between them and the Lord. The lack of prune marks is telling.

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      PlanksandNails 

      3 years ago

      Michael- Milec,

      The FIELD IS THE WORLD, and the good seed are the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one. - Matthew 13:38

      The landowner tells the servants not to pull up the weeds in the field, but to leave them until the end of the age. We should know the field is not the body of Christ; otherwise, it would directly contradict Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 18 where he tells us how to deal with unrepentant sinners.

      And IF HE REFUSES TO LISTEN even to the ekklesia, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. - Matthew 18:17

      They are to be put out of their fellowship and treated as unbelievers. Jesus did not instruct to let willful sinners to remain in the midst of believers until the end of the age.

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      Michael-Milec 

      3 years ago

      " Let them both grow together..."

      ... weeds-tares- darnel would not spoil the true wheat.. the separation must be left in the hands of the Judge...

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      Michael-Milec 

      3 years ago

      @ Rich kelley.

      No need to be "sorry'?! If/when the topic is the doctrine of the

      "trinity" it should not be mingled with mine or any other person's belief in the doctrine of the trinity.

      I do not care for any of religious doctrine, and if anyone need to know where I stand on the "issue", let him/her pray and ask for revelation by the One who will answer the point of interest if necessary.

      My degree was result of getting approval to proclaim the Gospel publicly in the land dominated by the communistic rule . Anyone without "certificate " could speak publicly only in his own house; My Jesus called me early in my youth - and I obeyed to share His word;while going to "school" was only alternative by the governments rule to go out and use the facilities designated for public gatherings .

      Even during the study period I was under suspicion not being "yes ' man to all churches tradition. . . The rest is long and quite interesting walk on the path of righteousness. When on my "Ordination memo" has appeared motto "But I account my life of no value to myself, in order to complete my course and the mission which I received from the Lord Jesus, solemnly to declare Good News of the grace of God." (Acts 2o:24 TNT)- the authorities watched more closely all my activities , well the same continues as we speak...

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      Rich Kelley 

      3 years ago from The Ekklesia

      Michael-Milec

      I am sorry I did not mean to cause the misunderstanding that is taking place. It is not my intent nor desire to call anyone a liar.

      The topic of this hub/article is the doctrine of the "Trinity". The only question I have is do you believe in the doctrine of the trinity? It is a widely accepted doctrine in almost all the churches. What little you have shared indicates that you have been to university and have a master degree. You have been ordained in some religion. Most religions believe the doctrine of the trinity. Very often when people leave the institutional church they discover many doctrines that they no longer agree with. I just wondered if did or still do believe in this doctrine. That is all.

      I am sorry for any ill feelings I have cause, may His peace control the situation.

      Rich

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      Michael-Milec 

      3 years ago

      @ Rich kelley. Is your attempt to prove me a liar, after my earlier conclusion ' it would be mistake to continue on my part...' Who can benefit from type opt conversation when the people are talking about each other " is that God you worship ?" OK, let this be know to you , My God knows me and that I am worshiping Him in spirit and truth, over a half of century under the anointing of my Jesus. Perhaps the same as yours.

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      Neil Braithwaite 

      3 years ago

      My morning devotion had this verse from Luke 1 and it sparked a thought.

      If the trinity were true, shouldn't the passage go more like this:

      28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

      29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and his name is Jesus. 32 He is great and is called the Son of the Most High. He sits on the throne of his father David, 33 and he reigns over Jacob’s descendants eternally and his kingdom is eternal.”

      34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

      35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. The eternally begotten holy one is called the Son of God.”

      AND NOT LIKE THIS:

      28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

      29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

      34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

      35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

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      Rich Kelley 

      3 years ago from The Ekklesia

      Michael-Milec

      No I am not preaching to a Samaritan. You like the term "My" Jesus, I prefer the Jesus of the Scripture. There are some that believe Jesus is God, is that your Jesus? There are some that believe the Romans killed God on a cross, is that the God you worship? If you have false doctrine how can you help anyone Samaritan or otherwise? You cannot Go and do likewise unless you are sent by Him, and it will not be with false doctrine.

      Rich

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      Michael-Milec 

      3 years ago

      @ Rich kelley, pretty interesting theory; are you preaching to a Samaritan? My Jesus said "Go and do likewise..." ( Luke 10:30 -37; 37 !)

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      PlanksandNails 

      3 years ago

      The entire world and most every religious system has been polluted by the worship of the Sun God. They are: Baal (Nimrod), moon goddess Ishtar (Semiramis), and Tammuz their only begotten son (who was Baal in the flesh) in the form of a Trinity. The mystery religion and their symbolic imagery are the reason for Christmas.

      Modern Christianity's Christ is Tammuz and they adamantly worship him on his birthday, Christmas day. The “mystery” that is the religion of Babylon was literally the “mystery” of the Trinity. The trinity is Satan who is the “god of this world” that defies the ONE true God.

      “Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; (astrology was idolized) for the heathen are dismayed at them…For the customs of the people are vain: for one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not.” - Jeremiah 10:2-4

      Trees and branches are symbols of Nimrod because he was “cut down” by Shem, the son of Noah. A tree stump became a place of honoring him. The scriptures speak of the pagans going into the “groves” or the forest and cutting down a tree, decorating it, and propping it up so that it will not totter. Today, it is no different as the tradition lives on and the idolatry is manifest in most homes during the holiday season.

      The origin of the X-mas Tree (x or t is the symbol of Tammuz) is a Tammuz/Nimrod Tree and was the central figure in the ancient Babylonian religion.

      Tammuz is the false messiah of modern Christianity, which was a religion created by Semiramis (the WHORE in Revelation). God has commanded us to “come out of her” and cease prostituting out the worship of the ONE true God to others.

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      Rich Kelley 

      3 years ago from The Ekklesia

      It is not about "if only you do what I tell you", it is what the scripture says. There can be no gospel to share unless it is the gospel of the kingdom of God. The Holy Spirit has been sent to reside in us, and things are the same yesterday today and forever, not several different ways of doing things like all the denomination like to think. Everything is for the kingdom of God but there is only ONE way, not all the ways man has dreamed up.

      Jesus Christ is the only way to the father. To know Jesus Christ is to know the Father not because they are the same oneness but because they are in agreement. Jesus the man born of the virgin Mary, was obedient unto death. We cannot kill God. The Holy Spirit came upon Mary and later a child was born. When a person is healed it is because of the Holy Spirit working something in that person. If I share something that the Holy Spirit has showed me, it will be obvious to others that have the Spirit of God in them as well.

      The why can't we all just get along is because there are too many out there that are following a different gospels, it is a false gospel and therefore they are false disciples. Submit therefore unto God, not all the doctrines of men. If we are to do more and better things than Christ as He said, it has to start with His teachings not the teachings of Man that have created all sorts of empires and traditions.

      Not long after Christ sat down at the right hand of the Father He sent a message to seven Ekklesia in Asia minor. All of those groups of believers started with the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, there was a oneness of belief, but you can see that but a few decades later all matter of problems had shown their ugly faces. Today about two thousand years later, things have not gotten any better.

      Supporting any group that doesn't believe repentance is needed in a Christians life does not bring glory to God. Supporting the doctrines of men does not bring glory to God. Supporting the institutional church does not bring glory to God. He said come OUT from among them, not stick around and perpetuate the false doctrines of men. He didn't say come out from among them and bring their traditions with you.

      Hubs like this one are not hear for the unbeliever but for the believer that the Holy Spirit is tying to show the baggage they may have brought with them out of Babylon.

      Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?

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      Michael-Milec 

      3 years ago

      @ PlanksandNails.

      Yes Sir, it is well know to me many of your articles, as you could see my comments . Having personally experienced much of confrontations with the churchianism as well as christianism you are writing of, I know the inherent antagonism coming from my native "church " in which a bishop who ordained me was member of the communistic party. ( It was circulating among the " colleges " that I was the onlyone not robbed off of faith relationship with the heavenly Father after receiving master degree.) Running for " safety" from communism, with my family coming on a special Visa to this country within twenty-four hours it was obvious to me that the paganism prevails within the institution. There wasn't time to ask God why He has bring me here, there wasn't way going back, now I understand...Being " popular" among people,(an author, poet, radio speaker...) - sharing the gospel of the kingdom according the Anointed One, my " ministry" was terminated few years later after declining to denied biblical truth. If only you would know a life in a "desert'" where you have to create your own oasis to survive, your writing might have different approach. My friend, following the narrow road and living life of righteousness is everyday choice and challenge dependency upon the grace of the Creator. Most of the "believers" in this country have to experience what they try to persuade the others theoretically...

      This is what sadden me the most. The theatrical "love " and a kinship only if " you do what I tell you." It hurts, it hurts tremendously , while we have work to do the way the "Master " is using us. Could not be the case that He is using the same way the next disciple and the next... we would be better off to know them , to love them and support them for the sake of the Kingdom and to the Glory of the Father...

      This is it, do not have freedom to continue. For the others my word is, not coming back to the subject. ( Let me cry alone.)

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      graceinus 

      3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

      PandN- I truly believe there are many out there who wish to have a greater understanding of God's word. And to have a rich relationship with our father in heaven and with our Lord Jesus Christ. For those of us who have spent years seeking God's word, through personal study, we have found it more and more easier to understand because of the Holy Spirit.

      Many have mistaken the idea of being a member of a "church" as having a relationship with God. Not realizing the "church" is an anti-christ system. The doctrines of men has led them to this false understanding. As with the trinity doctrine, there are many other doctrines of men that can not be supported by God's word. But still are believed by those within the church system.

      I have never encountered a new christian who seeks "first"the Kingdom of God. This is something I have come to learn myself only in the past 10 to 12 years even though I have studied the word for far longer than that. A detail study of the Kingdom through Jesus Christ ministry will not be found in any man made churches. Which is why articles like this one is so important to many. When churches teach the trinity doctrine and the many other doctrines of men, it help pervent anyone from focusing any attention on or seeking the Kingdom of God. And keeps the focus on the churches they are members of and false doctrines and their agendas. This is how the anti-Christ system works. It does not what you to see or hear anything regarding the Kingdom of God.

      It is for reasons like this that we need articles like this one to point out err (false teaching) " to as many who are willing to listen" and direct our focus toward or on the Kingdom of God. It is the task on all of those of the ecclesia to continue seeking the Kingdom of God and to welcome others to it through the gospel as a free gift.

      God bless

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      Rich Kelley 

      3 years ago from The Ekklesia

      Michael-Milec

      To get back on topic do you believe that Jesus was God in human form as you have stated in other hubs? Why?

      Rich

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      Neil Braithwaite 

      3 years ago

      Michael-Milec -

      With all do respect brother, reading Isaiah 1:18 in context is God having a rhetorical conversation with man about his sinful ways and how man should be sensible and use reason to discern how God's ways better than man's ways. God lists the ways the people have sickened Him and then goes on in versus 16-17 and tells them to - "make yourselves clean" and "learn to do right. God goes on and identifies numerous consequences for continuing on in their sinful ways. Gods is saying to ALL men, use your reason, and choose good over evil - blessings or consequences.

      Yes God is speaking for Himself in this passage, because He knows best!

      Jesus spent little time trying to reason with those religious Jews who thought they knew better than He. And by Jesus' own words to and about their kind He pulled no punches.

      Do you believe the Christian "church" leaders today who peddle the word of God for profit and push false doctrines and traditions deserve any more respect then Jesus gave the Jewish leaders of His day?

      You are correct, Jesus called all lost sinners to Himself and always accepted them with open arms, but he had no patience for those leaders who shared his Jewish faith that refused to see or hear clearly and use their God-given intellect to reason the truth.

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      Michael-Milec 

      3 years ago

      It would be a grievous mistake to continue conversation on my part, gentlemen , since God doesn't get the glory and unwanted are being humiliated. Thank you for being so quick calling blind those who probably by the standard of the Holy Spirit are able to discern that Is.1:18 isn't call for man to reason, instead it is God speaking for Himself. You might have noticed as all others who come across these articles, there isn't throng of followers coming to "Christ" because they do understand the message the way it is written, - not speaking to them to be convicted into repentance. Not because there isn't hunger for God and godliness... The sinners deserve to be treated the same way My Jesus was treating them inviting all to Himself because they were heavy -laden by religious scholars of their time. (Matt. 11:25-30). . .

      Sorry, I have to stop here.

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      PlanksandNails 

      3 years ago

      Michael and Graceinus,

      As you know I have written many articles concerning the Church system exposing the religious system for what it is. To fully grasp this concept, it requires looking at many Scripture verses without an indoctrinated lens to reveal that what is called “Church” is a completely separate entity from those among the Ekklesia. In the same manner, there is a vast distinction between the worship of God of the Ekklesia and the Trinity God of the Church. It should only follow that the distinction must be made between the two. A journey through the artifacts and testament of history reveal this, but it requires a fair amount of personal research to come to this conclusion.

      I write these articles in hopes that those that read them will investigate further for themselves as well as engage in dialogue about it.

      An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land: the prophets prophesy falsely, and THE PRIESTS RULE AT THEIR DIRECTION; my people love to have it so, but what will you do when the end comes? – Jeremiah 5:30-31

      The priests of organized religion (modern Christianity) bear rule by their means with their own strength and power dominating over the people. Unfortunately, the people love to have it that way; they do not to think for themselves, but want to have their ears tickled. Spiritual Babylon is full of people who have chains around their minds and spirit. It is next to impossible to reach them unless God divinely intervenes in breaking those chains.

      The pastor of his own church empire sole purpose is to maintain his position and authority. He is the priest the doctrine of the Trinity, and everyone respects His authority in these matters as his doctorate, or diploma is framed upon his wall for all to see. He was born in the seminaries of men and learned the ways of the Beast religion promoting a particular “God” called the Trinity. When you have that much distinction, respect and esteem among men, who would rebel and contend against his teaching?

      You see, the modern Trinitarian pastor is a priest of the sun god Tammuz (God the Son). Their system is proven by their “fruit.” They elevate their leaders above the Word of God and empower them to make decisions for the masses. The substitution of bias, presumption, notions and traditions take precedence over God’s Word. When an exalted man sets himself up to judge God’s Word without opposition, he exalts himself above God.

      Those among the Ekklesia follow the teaching of Jesus Christ and the Apostles and do not allow men to stand between them and God. There is no mediator and intercessor between man and God except the man Jesus Christ.

      For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels NOR RULERS, nor things present nor things to come, NOR POWERS, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD. – Romans 8:38-39

      You see NONE can come between us and God UNLESS we allow them to, and choose to follow them without checking and testing whether they be from God and their work are consistent with their faith.

      The Church system is steeped in tradition. All the way from ancient Babylon to today nothing has really changed. People love tradition because it is comfortable and they have always been taught that way. They lack the faith that God can lead them to truth and desire a “Moses” to go speak to God for them because they are too afraid to learn and try for themselves. Their “faith” alone is DEAD! How can anyone learn to walk on their own unless they try themselves? The salaried-to-serve want their minions to eat only from their hands. To do otherwise is treason.

      The Church minion wants to be told what to do because they are taught to be that way. They will never be able to trust God and develop and learn spiritual discernment themselves. They are too involved in their own physical gratification. They are spiritually lazy and cannot be bothered to check things for themselves and making an effort to study on their own.

      The one true God is looking for people who want to make that effort. These type of people are those who will enter the Kingdom of God. They are people who care enough to make an effort and try. The easy way is to be told what to do. This is indoctrination that comes from churches and seminaries. It is imperative that we do what God tells us, not man.

      In order to find out what God tells you, we must make an effort to check it out ourselves. Yes, mistakes will be made, but the more we study, learn and pray and take our attentions away from man and turn them to God, He will lead us to the truth. He will lift us up and help us and discover the veil that has enchanted all of mankind so that we can make it through to the end.

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      Rich Kelley 

      3 years ago from The Ekklesia

      Neil

      “How do Jesus' responses sit with those who would be offended by my repeating the words of Jesus and the Apostles? “

      In their minds as in the minds of the religious leaders in the time of Jesus, they think you are wrong, misguided, unlearned in your understanding of the word. They know by your objection to their teachings that you are not from among them. If you are not part of their deception they consider you a deception.

      “Do they find Jesus to be insensitive and brash?”

      Yes they do. It is very rare that you will see the whole Jesus from the institutional church. They will cut and paste scripture to keep the seats full. Often telling people the entire truth causes them to walk away and follow no more. They claim everything to be about Jesus yet select the parts of Jesus that cause little or no change in their fleshly life.

      “Wouldn't they tell Jesus to tone it down and speak with love?”

      I have read the book and I know the ending, and the truth is that they are not going to be telling Jesus anything when He returns. When they speak of love they really mean talk like I do or you don’t know love. Only He knows the heart and love is a thing of the heart that man often tries to define. The more I decrease and He increases the better my heart can reflect the love of God, not what man thinks it is.

      “Wouldn't they tell Jesus harsh words never got anybody saved?”

      Christ came to save the lost in their minds they are not lost. They have not learned to speak the truth in love. These same people all over America and most of the world will be perpetuating the lies of Christmas to their children with rationalization that only the evil one would approve yet they think they are doing a good thing.

      “When I posed those questions about Jesus they were silent! Why?”

      There comes a point where they run out of ways to deal with opposition. The solution is to show you to their friends as an example of the “lost”. They will attempt to make you look like the Slanderer the Adversary. Another method is “ban you” from further opposition which seems to have happened.

      I seem to remember Christ not arguing with anyone, there may have been one or two exchanges but after that He would move on. Most of His teachings were to those that came to Him, He didn’t have to run people down. Some of the trick questions He would get asked happened when He was teaching those that came to Him. Now and then He went to them, but never did anything to get “barred” not that they didn’t want to. Eventually their patients and willingness to tolerate finally ran out and they killed Him. Death has happened to many that have tried to follow the teachings of the Kingdom of God.

      Rich

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      Neil Braithwaite 

      3 years ago

      Rich -

      I would like to add that false teachers, along with most of their blind followers, do Satan's bidding by trying to get true followers of Christ to become embroiled in the controversy of their false doctrines. In doing this they divert the true teachings of the gospel as Satan wishes.

      If you follow my comments on this blog you will have noticed that I was banned from further comments by the lifegate Hub.

      The reason I was told was because I was insensitive or brash in my exchange with the Hub curator and some commenters.

      So how did Jesus deal with those who were "blind" and refused to "hear" the truth? He told them their father was Satan and that they were already were condemned.

      How do Jesus' responses sit with those who would be offended by my repeating the words of Jesus and the Apostles? Do they find Jesus to be insensitive and brash? Wouldn't they tell Jesus to tone it down and speak with love? Wouldn't they tell Jesus harsh words never got anybody saved?

      When I posed those questions about Jesus they were silent! Why?

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      Neil Braithwaite 

      3 years ago

      Rich -

      Thanks for the correction on scripture verse.

      Also, you nailed it in your comment. And I assume your pun regarding the "dimmer switch" was intended.

      Fact is, we are called by God to "reason" together. (Isaiah 1:18) One cannot reason together with those who see but are blind and who listen but do not hear.

      As Paul told Timothy, some people just "don't know what they are talking about" and "confidently affirm" their false teachings regardless of the facts.

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      Rich Kelley 

      3 years ago from The Ekklesia

      Neil

      The scripture reference should be 1 Timothy 1:3-7

      Rich

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      Rich Kelley 

      4 years ago from The Ekklesia

      Anytime I read an article that doesn't present what I believe because of my past teachings, I'm suspect. I wonder what is the catch? Is this a cult? Why doesn't this teaching fall in line with the masses? Most of the professing Christians today although there are thousands of denominations have a few common things that they are willing to join together concerning. The list includes; Jesus, Rapture mostly pre-trib, the trinity, Christmas, versions of the bible, you have to go to church, tithing, pastor bishop pope is a vocation, the devil satan. None of the masses actually know anything about the above topics except what is accepted as teaching by their religious leaders. The root reason for their beliefs is totally unknown to them, yet they accept and practice their belief as though it were gospel. The root of many and almost everything in the world is a lie from the father of lies. Human reasoning has changed to the point that if you ignore a lie but talk about everything after the lie and it sounds correct then you are good to go. Nitrogen in your tires does not improve safety, prolong the life of your tire, or give you better gas mileage, yet a quick Google search will attest that all those statements are true. NASCAR uses nitrogen in their tires airplanes use it in their tires so the statements made for the family car must be true. People would rather believe a lie than believe that all those people could be wrong. People can't believe that they would be lied to by.........Just as the scripture says there are those that want to be teachers, there are also those that what the status quo and their ears tickled. All we can really do is turn on the light switch, if they insist on turning it off or installing a dimmer switch to control the light it is on them.

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      Neil Braithwaite 

      4 years ago

      Here's the (not so) simple answer to Michael-Milec and graceinus:

      False doctrines lead to "controversial speculations." And rather than accept what scripture says, people that promote false doctrines "turn to meaningless talk" wich gives rise to "speculation." And as Paul says, while these people "want to be teachers," they not only "do not know what they are talking about," they portray their ignorance and stupidity with "confidence."

      Unfortunately, when these people are confronted and challenged about their false teaching, the open dialog becomes confusing to those who are immature in the faith.

      3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. 1 Timothy 2:3-7

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      graceinus 

      4 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

      PandN- I have to agree with Michael-Milec on this. The average "christian" will most likely find this article and past two articles very difficult to understand. Many new christians are feeding on "milk." Is it possible to make it a bit simple for those who are seeking truth? Many thanks for all your efforts is these articles.

      God bless

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      Michael-Milec 

      4 years ago

      If this would be simplified, brought to the level of average " person-sinner-christian-pagan" seeking "peace of mind"- would we get masses to read, be convicted and led by the Holy Spirit into the "Father's house?"

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