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The False Concept of Revival in the Modern Church

Updated on February 17, 2017
Salaried to serve is an oxymoron.
Salaried to serve is an oxymoron.

Minister, or Merchant?

The Holy Spirit fell upon on those who had gathered in the upper room, and the result was that about three-thousand were saved when Peter preached. The witness of God manifested in the sign gifts as the foundation of the Gospel and the ekklesia was being laid. Christ would fulfill the new covenant and the power of the Holy Spirit would move from Jerusalem to the world. The ekklesia would take the Good News out to the Gentile nations, which has continued to this day.

Those in the man-driven church system keep promising another great “revival” with claims that there are, and will be manifestations of great signs and wonders. Upon closer inspection, the lack of genuine fruit that has come from the Pentecostal/Charismatic "revivals" are multi-billion dollar industries that sell mammon to the masses. The movements such as Latter Rain and Joel’s Army etc. have revealed a serious decline in the fundamental doctrine of Christ for experiential religious hype. This has brought shame to the true and genuine Gospel.

There are very few ministers of the Gospel who freely preach without a price. The ministers in the in the harlot church system with their oxymoronic hierarchical titles are merchants who are salaried to serve. The way of sacrifice and servant leadership has been replaced with religious salesmen who are hired to sell their wares to the spiritually shallow masses who are programmed to empty their wallets into their coffers. The specially anointed called, Apostles and Prophets spew their so-called prophecies and revelations from their own imaginations to the glossy-eyed masses who desire to have their ears tickled. They look to hirelings as their mediator between them and God. They claim it is only through their special impartation that one can join into the elite membership clubs that have exclusive access to the special knowledge that God has revealed just to them.

Passive, mute pew warmers.
Passive, mute pew warmers.

The Counterfeit

Most believers may have a sincere desire to see a genuine move of God, but they sit and wait passively in their pews, put money in the offering plate and glean from the church CEO without ever leaving the building. Those in the modern church system do not live by faith, but by sight. They require a sign from God in order to have faith before they do anything. Satan is happy to oblige them with counterfeit signs and wonders that they heretically attribute to the work of the Holy Spirit. The bad fruit that has come from the Toronto Blessing and Pensacola Outpouring are proof of it.

Those who are in the western world are blinded to what the true and genuine movement of the Holy Spirit looks like. The Spirit of God will always glorify Christ, not entitled religious men who conform to the world's way of doing things. When Christ returns is going to shake the foundations of the traditions of man and the false prophets who sit upon them. His judgement is coming to for those who have chosen to believe lies. The modern church wants revival, but its foundations are built upon the schemes, greed and carnality of man.

The word of God speaks of a different manifestation of the Spirit that can be discovered by searching and reading Scripture, just as the Bereans did. The rotten fruit of the modern church system is fuelled by the doctrines of demons leaving many people disillusioned and oppressed.

“If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams ARISES AMONG YOU AND GIVES YOU A SIGN OR WONDER, AND THE SIGN OR WONDER THAT HE TELLS YOU COMES TO PASS, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. – Deuteronomy 13:1-3

Then shall they deliver you up to BE AFFLICTED, AND SHALL KILL YOU: AND YE SHALL BE HATED of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall MANY BE OFFENDED, and shall betray one another, and SHALL HATE one another. And many FALSE PROPHETS SHALL RISE, AND SHALL DECEIVE MANY. And because iniquity shall abound, THE LOVE OF MANY SHALL WAX COLD. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. - Matthew 24:9-13



The words Christspoke in the Olivet Discourse is compacted with much truth. He said that people would make attempts to deceive you who would profess to be followers of him and would minister in his name. This is happening today and that is why it is of utmost importance to weigh and test what man says with the word of God. If it does not line up with the God's standard, it must be exposed, ignored and discarded.

Christ said that the Gospel of the kingdom would be preached as a witness; he does not say that there would be a great outpouring and millions will be saved. Christ made no guarantees that because the Gospel would be preached that all would believe and act upon it. The fact is that those who preach truth are the ones who are the most persecuted and hated the religious elite because it is offensive to them.

The counterfeit modern church preaches of great revival in the end times, while Christ spoke of something quite the opposite. Christ said that there would be an increase in those who would deny him and they would revel in their carnal ways. There has been an obvious increase in apostasy from those who claim to follow Christ, but deny his teaching in their behaviours that affirms the great falling away.

The ekklesia of Laodicea in the book of Revelation is found to be indifferent to truth and will not commit to the true faith, but boasts in their relative truths and ideologies of man.

“‘I KNOW YOU WORKS: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I WILL SPIT YOU OUT OF MY MOUTH. For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. – Revelation 3:15-17


Christ did not talk of great revival, but of repentance. In fact, it was repent, or face the judgement and wrath of God. The modern church is not in revival, but in sickness. They serve the god of mammon and have not kept the word of God. The manifestations of what they call “revival” are the uncontrolled behaviours people flailing, cackling, shaking, laughing and twitching uncontrollably is nowhere to be found except for the accounts of demonic possession. By comparing these manifestations with pagan ideology, it reveals that these things are an imprint of Satan, not of the Holy Spirit.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, SELF-CONTROL; against such things there is no law. - Galatians 5:22

The great world-wide “revival” that is taught in the modern church is simply the great falling away. Many sincerely want revival, but Scripture does not say that the whole world is going to accept Christ. To envision a Utopian world that will only get better and better is new-age ideology. The world is on its way to destruction because of rampant sin.

The mission of the the genuine ekklesia of Christ should be to preach reconciliation with our Father in heaven by what Christ has done.

Now concerning THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR BEING GATHERED TO HIM, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way. FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME, UNLESS THE REBELLION COMES FIRST, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction – 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by DEVOTING THEMSELVES TO DECEITFUL SPIRITS AND TEACHINGS OF DEMONS, THROUGH THE INSINCERITY OF LIARS WHOSE CONSCIENCES ARE SEARED – 1 Timothy 4:1-2

But understand this, that IN THE LAST DAYS THERE WILL COME TIMES OF DIFFICULTY. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, HAVING THE APPEARANCE OF GODLINESS, BUT DENYING ITS POWER. – 2 Timothy 3:1-5


How do you reconcile the above few verses, among many with the “revival” that is taught in the modern churches today?

Knowing this first of all, that SCOFFERS WILL COME IN THE LAST DAYS WITH SCOFFING, FOLLOWING THEIR OWN SINFUL DESIRES. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? - 2 Peter 3:3-4

The word “revival” is a deceptive word because it leads too many down rabbit trails. The main focus should be the foundational work of Christ who makes his habitation in those that choose follow him.

The day of Pentecost was not a “revival,” but God pouring His Spirit on people for a specific purpose (laying the foundation of the Gospel and the ekklesia). The modern church is trying to push the fulfilled sign gifts that were to show to the unbelieving Jews that the apostles were men of God and by faith confirm the testament to all believers today. Today, what is called, "revival" is a ploy to get masses hopped up on a manufactured "signs and wonders" movement. They are no different from the crowd Christ addressed.

But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” As the crowds were increasing, Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. IT DEMANDS A SIGN - Luke 11:28-29

The focus of the ekklesia today is about surrendering in humility of letting Christ be the Head. It is about reading God's word and being obedient to it. To put supposed gifting, anointing, impartation, healing and signs and wonders as the primary focus appeals to the carnality of man and are used as a tools to bilk people of their money. The Gospel is not about feel-goods, but is about conviction. It is not about mystical experiences, but obedience. The so-called modern prophets brag about their supernatural experiences of what they felt and saw, but the true followers of Christ speak of who their Messiah and the revelation that is found in Scripture, not from the imaginations of men.

The unity of being in one accord with Christ is abiding in him, and he in us as living stones. The vision of the ekklesia should not change. It is about repentance and the transformation of our hearts to the heart of Christ.

The modern church is trying to make something happen by manufacturing an “anointing” that does not come from God. The obvious clue is that the spirit of repentance is missing for feel-goods and no one is turning from their lifestyle of sin. Genuine fruit is the priority of seeking first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness.

When we have the desire for the genuine, Christ will give us discernment and protect us from the counterfeit. Unfortunately, many still desire the counterfeit, even after the truth has been revealed to them. A snake can look like a fish, a scorpion can look like an egg, and a stone can look like a loaf of bread. The deception is real, but many are too blind to see what is taking place right in front of them.

The AntiChrist Spirit

The so-called “revival” that is in the counterfeit church system is simply allowing the flattery of the antichrist spirit to manifest. The falling away is a good thing in that it cleanses and creates a dividing line between the genuine and counterfeit. It is the removal from the ekklesia of those who profess God with their lips, but do not know Him. Those of the ekklesia desires to be without spot or blemish in their their devotion to the way of Christ with watchfulness, discernment and the fear of God.

That he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, THAT SHE MIGHT BE HOLY AND WITHOUT BLEMISH. – Ephesians 5:26-27

God’s judgement is coming for those in the modern church system and it will be in severe. Just as Aninias and Saphira died on the spot when Peter revealed their lies, the same judgement is coming to confront those who operate in the power of darkness.

Counterfeit Revival

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    • profile image 16 months ago from upstate, NY

      I do believe in revivals, if for no other reason to revive that which has died but its true that it's more important how we live out our everyday christian walk.

      I don't see any biblical proof that the supernatural gifts are temporary, if you want to be technical, all the gifts are temporary because they're not needed in Heaven.

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      PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      The video at the end of the article says it all. The sad thing is people try to defend these types of behaviours and attribute them to God.

      But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, SELF-CONTROL; against such things there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23

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      KingdomCome 2 years ago from those of the Ecclesia

      PandN-When ever I hear of a church or churches going out to have revivals the first thing the comes to mind is a pack of wolves going out seeking herds of dumb sheep.

      BH- That's the sad part about the harlot church system we see today, the harlot churches believe their the body of Christ which they are not. This includes ALL MAN MADE CHURCHES, with no exceptions.

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      charlie 2 years ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans

      bh spoken like the true apostle of the churches of men. the churches of men which you endorse are NOT the bride of Christ but are the attempt of apostate men to recreate the system of religion from the covenant

      that was put away by Christ when the veil of the temple was split.

      you exposed yourself with the statement "I have had the pleasure of being in churches" any one that is truly a Christ follower knows the true church is the people. We do not go to church, WE ARE THE CHURCH .

      heed your own warning because it belongs to you who support the apostate and illicit church systems of men, all the many thousands of man made denominations which God hates, His call is for ALL to be of one accord not many thousands of men based apostate religions.

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      PlanksandNails 2 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Blessed Hill,

      If what you say is true, then back up your statements with Scripture. Maybe you should re-read the article and take quotes from what you believe to be as false so we can have some dialogue over it.

      You stated,

      (("You base your sanctimonious drivel on limited knowledge and understanding of the character of God, His grace and His love for the Body of Christ no matter her state."))

      Maybe you should have looked up the definition of ad hominem fallacy before you posted.

      It's easy to simply state something, but to back it up it will take more effort on your part. Here is a good verse to start,

      All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for CORRECTION, and for training in righteousness - 2 Timothy 3:16

      Please us the whole counsel of Scripture to provide evidence of "sanctimonious drivel" and "limited knowledge."

      Your warning also applies to you too.

      Is your comment here "God inspired?"

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      Blessed Hill 2 years ago

      Wow, I have read a few of your hubs and not one of them has been positive or encouraging. You base your sanctimonious drivel on limited knowledge and understanding of the character of God, His grace and His love for the Body of Christ no matter her state. Who are you to speak against His bride, His beloved chosen. All you seem to be doing is condemning His bride that He paid such a terribly awesome price for her salvation.

      I wonder have you ever experienced a powerful move of the holy spirit. Have you heard His voice? Have you spent time in prayer for hours hungering after God and then when He shows up things happen beyond human comprehension.

      I have had the pleasure of being in churches, small gatherings, my own flat with friends and by myself when the presence of God fills the room and all we can do is just lie on floor because His presence was so awesome.

      Just a warning: Be sure what you share is God inspired because we will all stand accountable.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Faith Reaper,

      Our truth is God's Word. When we read it for ourselves, the Holy Spirit will lead us into the truth. The wolves in sheep's clothing don't want us to do that as it would expose their deceptions. I am glad you are aware of the many false teachers that are leading many down the wrong path.

      Yes, God is our healer. I too am a cancer survivor. I thank God for each day that I am alive. Thank-you for sharing your thoughts. God Bless.

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Excellent hub here and much to think on for sure. I, too, believe that the "Modern" church is actually allowing the spirit of the Anti-Christ to enter. That video made me sick to my stomach and I could not watch it. The Holy Spirit does not come on people in such a manner as that for sure. My eyes have been open to many false teachers and some right here on HP who speak of revival and then add to or take away from the Bible, and those are the ones so dangerous as the ones that are led astray are those who are impaired and gullible in wanting to hear something to tickle their ears, which is so far from the truth.

      I know God heals as He healed me of breast cancer. It was there and then it was gone, and He baffled all the doctors. I prayed for His healing and it was not me who healed but the Lord God.

      I look forward to reading more of your hubs.

      Voted up +++

      God bless you. In His Love, Faith Reaper

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      Lori Colbo 4 years ago from Pacific Northwest

      "Unfortunately, many in the modern "churches" equate phenomena and sensation to the working of the Holy Spirit." This rings true and is one reason why I stay away from churches that make speaking in tongues such an enormous part of being a so-called Spirit filled Christian. They believe that the only evidence that you have been filled (or baptized in) the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues. They also tend to make a show of the "slain in the Spirit" and holy laughter which is so heinously against the nature of God it's not funny. I once went to a prayer meeting where I didn't know anyone and it was absolute pandmonium, dog and pig noises, laughter, and all the bizarre accompaniments. I was horrified and couldn't run out of there fast enough.

      Your postmodern comment makes perfect sense and it certainly fits the emergent church movement. You explained the emergent church so much better than I, when you said their goal is to deconstruct Christianity and reconstruct it into postmodern a paradigm.

      I look forward to reading more of your hubs. Blessings.

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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      Thank-you for your well thought out comment. I know there are those who believe that the sign gifts are still for today. I believe through God's grace every believer has the capacity to function in the ability that God has given them, but the sign gifts given specifically to the Apostles were for a specific purpose and have been fulfilled.

      Truly the SIGNS OF AN APOSTLE were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds. - 2 Corinthians 12:12

      When Paul apostleship was challenged by the Corinth church, he defended himself by drawing attention to the miraculous signs and the gift of healing that only an Apostle could do. The Apostles were unique in their authority because they were witness to the resurrection of Jesus Christ and commissioned by Him. Paul received special and unique revelations. This is was what made them unique; otherwise, who would be certain who the true Apostles were unless they exclusively had these gifts.

      How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? - Hebrews 2:3-4

      The charismatic doctrine that healings can be performed by numerous Christians is simply not found in the New Testament. Healings taking place constantly by Christians at large is not taught in the Bible. With that said, God still heals, but it is not through the hands of a gifted healer that performs on stage in the modern "church."

      The appointment of apostles, prophets, and healers are not perpetuated in the Early Church because the full knowledge of God's grace had been fulfilled. There are no new revelations after the time of the Apostles. All truth would be revealed being complete and sufficient.

      But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. - John 14:26

      Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. - John 16:13

      We have the completed revelation of the Gospel that is to be a witness taken into the whole world. The "visions" and "dreams" we may have must be a reflection on the infallibility of the Bible, not additions to it.

      There are a lot of people who have left the Charismatic scene realizing that what takes place in their meetings are not doctrines that apply to those in the Church age. There are no Bible instructions for appointing apostles, prophets and healers today. The charismatic doctrine becomes delusion because Scripture takes a back seat to human imagination and mysterious experiences. There is a huge gap between what the Charismatics have been taught, and what the Bible says.

      Unfortunately, many in the modern "churches" equate phenomena and sensation to the working of the Holy Spirit.

      You asked about the term "postmodern." In a nutshell it is a reaction to modernism. It is a move from absolute morals and values to relativism. Images replace language as the highest form of communication. Personal experience take precedence over doctrine. Meaning comes from self rather than God, and power supersedes truth. The Emerging Church's goal is to deconstruct Christianity and reconstruct it into a postmodern paradigm. Fundamental Christians are their most hated enemy.

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      Lori Colbo 4 years ago from Pacific Northwest

      This was very powerful and I need to prayerfully consider it it before I comment too much. There is so much here. I think though that the word revival has come to mean different things to different people as you and other commenters have said. Some people as you say consider it signs and wonders, which gives them permission to have the frenzied orgies of bizarre antics all in the name of a work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not a buffoon and does not move in us to be buffoons either. The video was so vile I couldn't watch it much. I wrote a hub about the antics of the flesh in such ways with a few videos as well.

      Some believe revival it is about masses of people coming to Christ. Well we always want that, but I firmly believe that revival is about the Church repenting and getting right with God and it needs to start with me. I believe that is the crux of it all. I love the passage from 2 Chronicles 7:14 because it is talking to God's people, not non believers.

      The so-called Church is a mess these days. Such division as I have ever seen. The Emergent Church movement is in my opinion a great tool of Satan to make Jesus, the Bible and Christianity oblique and too mysterious to understand. It's a convenient premiss so that they can make Jesus into whatever they want. You hear terms like "reinvent," the "new"," mysterious,"etc. Instead of concrete biblical doctrine an theology, they call it a "conversation." That gives it a such a huge opening for creating their own God.

      There is a new ancient mysticism movement going on as well.

      I loved your images. We need to be good Berean's, and that is another issue that has led people down the wrong path. Most Christians don't know their Bible. They would rather read their 1 minute morning "Daily Bread" devotional and go into their day without having a true breakfast of solid food.

      Prayer is not much better. All this said, I have not arrived. I battle the flesh like everyone else. But I stay in the word, and pray the word, and I teach the word. If you ignore or throw away the manual, you end up jerry rigging the Gospel, and it all falls apart.

      I am not sure about your stance on the spiritual gifts, but I'm not closed either. I need to study that more. But my main beef with the one's you listed as temporary are the ones that people misuse and abuse.

      What I know most, is that I need to examine my life and allow God to show me where I need to repent. My heart hurts for the lost, and for the "modern" church as you call it, and for our nation. The Bible tells us all this would happen. But we should not give up praying, starting for ourselves.

      By the way, what do you think of this term "Post modern"? What is post modern Christianity? I've never figured it out. More gobbeldy gook perhaps?

      You worked hard on this. Nice job.

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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      The true and genuine Church must draw a line in the sand. Crossing the line determines whether the Holy Spirit is at work or not. The modern "church" has walked so far across the line that they must conjure up and entertain spirits, and then attribute it to the work of the Holy Spirit ("revival"). It is blasphemy.

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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      It seems that you have your work cut out for you. May God give you strength. God Bless.

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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      If you look at the New Testament, you will find that Paul's longest letters come first to the shortest leading to Philemon. This miss-arrangement changed the proper chronology. In the second century there was no precedent for chronology because the Greco-Roman world compiled their literature to decreasing in length (stichometry).

      Proper chronology of Paul's letters are:

      Galatians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Romans, Colossians, Philemon, Ephesians, Philippians, 1 Timothy, Titus, and 2 Timothy. Galatians to Romans is during the period of Acts. Having a proper chronology would give a better historical and contextual view of the text among other things.

      To understand when the sign gifts ceased, we need to read Paul’s letters in the order that he wrote them. When we arrange the letters in the order that they were written, it all becomes clearer.

      In the first six letters that Paul wrote, the sign gifts were operating in the churches.

      The Lord revealed to Paul as written in 1 Corinthians 13: 9-13 that the sign gifts would cease. The evidence of this is in the later letters of Paul (Ephesians, Colossians, Philemon and Philippians) where there is no longer any mention of tongues and Paul no longer had the gift of healing. We do not see the sign gifts in 1 or 2 Timothy, or Titus. The desirability of the sign gifts is not mentioned as they were no longer in operation.

      Timothy, Paul and Trophimus suffered from infirmities that were not healed and could not be healed by them. The sign gift miracles that were performed eight years earlier in the book Acts had now ceased. What Paul could do in Acts 28, he could no longer do in Philippians, and in 1 and 2 Timothy. The pattern of truth is simply found by arranging the Word of God in the right order. The sign gifts were definitely operating in Acts, Galatians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, and Romans, but the Lord told Paul in 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 that the sign gifts would cease. The contrast between the earlier letters and later letters is proof of cessation.

      The gift of tongues ceased at the end of Acts as there is no evidence after this period. The reason these gifts ceased is that they were incomplete and did not communicate the full knowledge of God.

      What is complete and known in full is God’s message of grace for us today. When Paul wrote, “now I know in part,” he used the Greek word gnosis, the partial knowledge of God’s grace. After the period of Acts, he used the Greek word epignosis once he had received the full perfect knowledge (Colossians 1:9-12, 2:1-2).

      The Jews sought after signs and God them, even among the Gentiles to provoke them (Romans 11:14). God gave up on the Jews that required a sign for a time, and God turned to the Gentiles by no longer working through the Jews; the sign gifts ceased as a result. We do not need signs to affirm our faith in Jesus Christ, but we have faith in the fullness of the perfect knowledge of His grace that is confirmed in His Word.

      The purpose of tongues was to warn unbelieving Jews, confirm the Word of God, and confirm the Apostles as true messengers of God. All three have been fulfilled. Genuine tongues were not vain babblings, but an actual audible language that was used to communicate a known language to different races of people so they could understand the message that God was bringing to them.

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      charlie 4 years ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans

      I agree with most of what you have written, in fact the only disagreement I have with the article is your saying that the gifts were temporary and have ended. There is NO scripture to support this. It says they will end when that is perfect has come. Since Jesus had already arrived then it must be talking about the arrival of the Kingdom of God in fulness on the earth. All things in this life are actually temporary, but most do continue until the incoming Kingdom is fully established on the earth.

      I have been and continue to be involved in the full measure of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, though very cautiously and as in all this professing to be Christian, judging them by the scripture.

      Thanks for the article and I await you response

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      William Kovacic 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

      Hi PnN,

      You're so right about the true church. It will live forever. I do see though how what once was the true church has disintegrated into the mess we have today. What you say is so true, " It is not a message of "white picket fences," "pillow fights" and "gentle Jesus meek and mild," but a message that requires wielding a sword."

      I've seen even in the area where God has placed me how churches that once drew a clear line in the sand have allowed the bully to kick sand and blur that line. Thanks for your faithfulness to the Lord and for wielding that sword.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      It is actually quite frightening. I when to an all black elementary and junior high school. A student was a bad kid if he sneaked off campus at lunchtime. I'm living what you are addressing. I'm trying to teach choir and a couple of big mouths start singing uncontrollably all the filth they hear on the radio.

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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      The problems with children in school in the early 1960s were talking, chewing gum, getting out of turn in line, not putting paper in the baskets and wearing improper clothing. Twenty years later, once the humanistic influence permeated the schools, the issues with children changed to rape, robbery, assault, arson, guns, suicide, murder, vandalism, drug and alcohol abuse, gangs, pregnancy, abortion and venereal disease etc... This has been the result of allowing moral relativism and humanistic ideals into the education system. It should be obvious today that America as a nation and the modern "church" have become godless. Those that believe "revival" is happening are seriously delusional.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      I was trying to get someone to remember Madelyn Murray O'Hare. I said, "You know the one who took prayer out of schools." He said, "She did take prayer out of schools. Christians took prayer out of schools. They said/did nothing." I remember when that happened and must agree with him. I don't remember Christians being concerned. Maybe I was too young.

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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      ( Being in church is not the same as being in Christ.)

      A very profound statement that makes a distinction and draws a line. You wonder if Jesus came for His Bride today how many hireling pastors would be lynched by their members on the pulpit for not speaking this truth?

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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      The true Church is not dying, but the modern "church" is. The genuine Church must send a message of repentance, or else. It is not a message of "white picket fences," "pillow fights" and "gentle Jesus meek and mild," but a message that requires wielding a sword. Unfortunately, many are too afraid to use it because they have been too busy playing on the playground. The battleground is what the genuine Church is on, but requires getting off the pew to find it.

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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      You have given a classic example of what happens when a pastor in the modern "church" is questioned on what he teaches.

      Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. - Acts 17:11

      Your father made a constructive action and these things should be encouraged to preserve the integrity of the faith. The judgement and correction on the behaviors of false teaching and immorality belongs to the church body and is affirmed in Scripture. When we have the truth, the hard part is addressing and exposing what is false. Often the fear of divisiveness can deter many people from making a stand for what is right out of fear of what it will cost them.

      Taking a stand on the truth of God's Word often results in persecution as many do not want to hear it.

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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      (However, my question is " w h a t a r e "we" doing about it? What is my " responsibility" to stop/ exposed it "if/ while" knowing better (?!) )

      The Bible is full of examples of those who were bold enough to expose corruption, correct somebody in love, disciplining and rebuking the one who lives in a lifestyle of sin. The problem that many people in the modern "church" is that they attribute Biblical correction to judging.

      They use the famous "judge not, lest ye be judged" and "he who is without sin cast the first stone" verses. There shallow understanding of God's Word is used as an attempt justify their sinful behaviors when confronted.

      Are we just to stand by as if it is fine to continue on sinning? Are we not to be obedient to God by warning others of their behavior? Speaking truth in boldness with strong words will cause someone to repent, or they will be turned off and continue to remain lukewarm. It is God's and His standard that accepts or rejects them. Just like preaching the Gospel, people either turn away, or become committed believers.

      If I say to the wicked, O wicked one, you shall surely die, and you do not speak to warn the wicked to turn from his way, that wicked person shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. - Ezekiel - 33:8

      As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. - 1 Timothy 5:20

      This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith - Titus 1:13

      God Bless.

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      freeradicalsteve 4 years ago

      A well thought-out and constructed artile that can leave the reader in no doubt that there are decisions to be made concerning our current spiritual condition and our future spiritual home. Being in church is not the same as being in Christ.

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      William Kovacic 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

      Hi PnN,

      I was watching the video, and I just can't believe that people "fall" for that stuff (no pun intended). Whatever revival is, it is not that. I'm told that during the great movements of God through history that only about 18%-20% of the people are affected. The other 80% continue to live in sin and enjoy sin as always.

      I believe revival is for the church, and right now the church is sadly dying. Over the years I've come to see that judgment may be necessary for the 18%-20% to be moved. At least in America, I believe we are just beginning to face the judgment of God. May He be glorified in mercy or in His righteous judgment.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      My father was asked to leave his church because during bible study, he would correct the pastor. The pastor would teach ( I am sorry I can't remember), but my father would read scripture, that even the pastor did not know anything about. So, the pastor asked him to leave. Then my father found another church. This rented part of a school on Sunday, because it didn't have much money. But, instead of singing for 20 minutes, the pastor taught from the bible.

      My father died 10 years ago, and my mother died two years before him. I think God directed him to the church he went to, before he died

      I don't know everything, that is just one of the things I had been thinking about.

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      Michael-Milec 4 years ago

      Hello planksandnails.

      Great article. Well written, persuasively documented. A genuine picture of " church " business as let say, Holywood business, Las Vegas business , " everything " goes, much is accepted by the individuals who refuses to know / think for themselves . It is sad. Very sad... However, my question is " w h a t a r e "we" doing about it? What is my " responsibility" to stop/ exposed it "if/ while" knowing better (?!) . There was a time in my life when I act that way, then they throw me out in disgrace, the people liked/ accepted the " true" gospel, a " main office" didn't. When we tried to " join"-- being already marked, we were not welcomed, because we didn't want to sign " membership". . .

      See , since my youth one revelation never left me, and this I was /am relating to " people" , a scripture : " when you shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say ": . . .( Luke 17:29) I am telling people, you are responsible for yourself to know and to live righteously. . " You too as well as myself m accountable to myself and to God, ask yourself ;, my question is mainly to " Michael " to the rest of " you" , WHEN?- when ? - when my time comes to say " we are unprofitable servants ; we have done that which was our duty to do . " (An/ church want you to do their way, the Lord want you to do right way. The Spirit leads me daily , directs me I'm doing " my bests". So shall do all the rest...

      Voted useful and interesting.

      May the good Lord bless you and may you continue to be a blessing.


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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      I don't like to use the word "revival" because the word has been thrown around so much that it is hard to pin down the concept to one definition. You may have defined it as questioning our spirituality daily and the manifestation of all those who walk closer to God individually, but I personally don't question my spirituality on a daily basis. There are times when I feel stagnant, or dormant in my walk with God and desire an invigoration from Him to deepen my faith. The deception in the world is very strong, but when the Holy Spirit draws back the veil to reveal truth it can be quite humbling. That is what His grace does for us.

      When we become bogged down with the concerns that are in our world, we can lose our passion, or become emotionally and spiritually exausted from the dynamics of life. When we give our burdens to Jesus, He gives us the strength and grace to continue to pray, be obedient to His Word, and use the gifts that He has given us. His grace is sufficient.

      Is this really "revival," or is it simply acknowledging God's grace and trusting in Him in every circumstance as we walk with Him?

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Hi Plank! I believe each Christian should be concerned about his/her own revival - questioning our own spiritual daily. If everyone walks more closely with the Lord individually, we will have a revival.


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