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The Emergent Church Apostasy

Updated on January 17, 2018
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Emergent Church = Counterfeit Christianity
Emergent Church = Counterfeit Christianity
Truth is relative.
Truth is relative.

There is a false Christianity that is leading many astray. It is highly deceptive because it subtly cloaks itself as worship to God, but with ancient pagan ideologies. This form of worship is one of the main contributors to the apostasy that is going on within the man-driven church system today. In a nutshell, this movement believes that we are in a 'post-modern' era of the Christian and in order to stay relevant with the times, we must change our views and perspectives. This requires a 'paradigm shift' to be more relevant as a Christians in our society. This form of Christianity is synthesized with post-modern ideas that encompasses what is called the 'Emergent Church' movement. It is the literal watering down and removal of God’s truth as a goal to bring 'unity' and 'co-existence' with the world.

Ultimately, the Emergent Church movement is spiritual adultery. It is the same as committing adultery on your wife and justifying the action because you are thinking about Christ while you are doing it.

Biblical truth is being replaced with the good sounding buzz words such as 'social justice' and 'unity' coupled with pagan forms of worship. In their view doctrinal truth is seen as divisive and cannot be fully known. They believe it is better to be part of an enlightened conversation of endless questions that leads to no real solutions, answers or conclusions. Any claim to doctrinal truth even if it is found in Scripture is seen as being arrogant or offensive to someone else’s ideas. The Emergent Church movement is the attempt to synthesize forms of pagan worship practices with Christianity a supposed worship to God.

Prayer labyrinth
Prayer labyrinth
All about what feels good.
All about what feels good.
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. - Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. - Matthew 6:7

There are many churches that are promoting the wares and doctrines of this false movement. Many youth and young adults are being deceptively indoctrinated and groomed into changing their theology and view of the Gospel message. Biblical truth that is supposed to change culture is exchanged for culture that changes biblical truth.

Scripture can be interpreted any way a one chooses because doctrinal truth cannot be known. No interpretation can be fully correct; therefore, Scripture adapts to each person’s individual concept of what truth is.

Personal emotions, globalism, the arts and mysticism take precedence over worshipping God in spirit and in truth. This deceptively draws people into following a mystical Jesus. The Emergent Church system literally promotes an earth centred one-world-religion. The goal is a man-made utopia that embraces all religions. Each religion has its own truths where all roads lead to God.

This spiritual paradigm shift is the transition to a new spirituality where the 'old' ways of the Gospel message are no longer effective. What this means is that New Age principles are utilized where 'wisdom' is drawn from these ancient mystical practices and traditions. A peaceful co-existence with all religions under one banner is advocated. Everyone has in one way or another the consciousness of Christ within them. Experiences (feelings) take precedence over doctrinal truth. Spiritual experiences are not questioned of its source. If something makes you feel good and excites your senses, then it must be from God. The practices of the mystery religions and idolatry are masked in a religious façade in order to be seeker friendly and attract people to fill the church pews.

Left: Helena Blavatsky, Right: Alice A Bailey of Lucifer Trust, aka Lucis Trust
Left: Helena Blavatsky, Right: Alice A Bailey of Lucifer Trust, aka Lucis Trust
Asherah also worshipped as Ishtar or Astarte.
Asherah also worshipped as Ishtar or Astarte.
Mary or the goddess, Asherah.
Mary or the goddess, Asherah.

The Emergent Church services are designed as smoke and mirrors to excite the senses and create a spiritual mood or ambience. 'Unity' is promoted with ancient pagan ideas or 'ancient future worship' is introduced as a way of getting closer to God. Catholic contemplative practices coalesced with medieval monastic disciplines are incorporated as part of the Emergent Church philosophy.

The goddess Asherah who is Mary in the Catholic religion promotes a false peace and security towards one-world-religion that will rule the world. This new age of spirituality has been popularized by famous occultists such as Alice A. Bailey (theosophist), Albert Pike (33rd degree Freemason) and Helena Blavatsky (Satanist). 'Unity' is the key word in the convergence of all religions into one supreme entity.

If doctrinal truth cannot be fully known, then the Emergent Church cannot be the light to the world because all religions are essentially on equal terms as part of their conversation to reach enlightenment.

These following quotes are from various Emergent Church leaders who adhere to and promote the same principles of well known occultists.

“I would point out that when I use the phrase ‘followers of the Christ’ I refer to all those who love their fellowmen, irrespective of creed or religion.” – Alice A. Bailey – Founder of the Lucifer Trust

“I must add though, that I don’t believe making disciples must equal making adherents to the Christian religion….” – Brian McClaren

“People come to Jesus in all sorts of ways. Sometimes people use his name; other times they don’t.” – Rob Bell

“I happen to know people who are followers of Christ in other religions.” – Rick Warren

When we take pagan customs and traditions and throw Jesus into the mix, it is trying to mix light with darkness. There is a distinction between the pagan Christ and the genuine Christ of Scripture. The Emergent Church's Christ is an add-on of compromise by compromising with the ways of the world.

How can we have a genuine relationship with God through Christ while taking on the doctrines of demons and the idolatry of the ancient false religions of Babylon?

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? - 2 Corinthians 6:14-15

What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will live with them

and walk among them,

and I will be their God,

and they will be My people.”

“Therefore come out from among them

and be separate, says the Lord.

Touch no unclean thing,

and I will receive you.” - 2 Corinthians 6:16-17

The Merging of the Emergent Church with New Age Spirituality

Samir Selmanovic, a rising star in the Emergent Church Movement, thinks it is just fine for someone who is a professing Christian to attend a worship service "with a wonderful Wiccan community."
Samir Selmanovic, a rising star in the Emergent Church Movement, thinks it is just fine for someone who is a professing Christian to attend a worship service "with a wonderful Wiccan community."
The lineage of the Emergent Church
The lineage of the Emergent Church
False Christ
False Christ

Our culture today is polluted with all forms of evil.

How can a person engage it without becoming polluted themselves?

We are to live in the world, but not of it.

The directives of 'social-action' and 'social-justice' are about making the world a better place. This is the same ideology held by occultists of moving towards a man-made utopia. 'Social-activism' sounds good and noble because it has initiatives to feed the hungry and help the poor. However, the deception is in the philosophy of build God’s kingdom on our self-righteous efforts.

True faith in Christ is not about holding hands with false religions.

When the Israelites abandoned God and worshipped the golden calf, they too turned back to the ancient mystery religions of Babylon. Because of their rebellion, most did not enter into the Promised Land.

“For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. – Matthew 24:5

Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen – Jeremiah 10:2
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen – Jeremiah 10:2
Labyrinth
Labyrinth

The Emergent Church system endorses many forms of worship that have their origins in paganism and mysticism. When applying the standard of God's word to these practices, it is clear that God gives no allowance for practices such as evangelical monasticism, lectio devina, labyrinth prayer, centring prayer, yoga, stations of the cross, incense, icons, rituals, candles, chanting prayers, breath prayers and many other forms of mysticism.

For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator – Romans 1:25

The Vatican Council II
The Vatican Council II

Biblical precedence reveals that the Emergent Church is not the genuine faith of following the way of Christ, but an ideology that promotes corrupt, pagan forms of worship that exalts the antichrist spirit.

The Catholic Church embraces many mystical practices and deems them acceptable as worship to God. Mysticism is a man-made attempt to gain a deeper knowledge of God from experiences that bypass the mind where a mystical Jesus becomes mediator between God and man.

In 1965, the Vatican Council II joined itself with the aesthetic and meditational practices of paganism by trying to reach a state of illumination through human effort and 'divine' help.

On March 20th - 22nd 2009 in Albuquerque, New Mexico an Emergent Church conference took place. The promotional piece on the website stated,

'Come to the first large gathering of Roman Catholic, Mainline Protestant, Evangelical, and other Christians seeking to explore this emergence and convergence together. You’ll be inspired by provocative speakers and spiritual leaders and engage in in-depth conversation about our shared quests for: A fresh understanding of Jesus, Spirituality that links contemplation and action, Social justice and holistic mission, Authentic community.'

The Emergent Church: Convergence, Conversations and Actions March 20-22, 2009

Self - Realization
Self - Realization
Transcendental meditation (contemplative)
Transcendental meditation (contemplative)
The Koran coexists with the Bible.
The Koran coexists with the Bible.
Savasana
Savasana
Yoga
Yoga

The Vatican Council II: The Conciliar and Post Conciliar Documents, No. 56 states,

“In Hinduism men explore the divine mystery and express it both in the limitless riches of myth and the accurately defined insights of philosophy. They seek release from the trials of the present life by ascetical practices, profound meditation and recourse to God in confidence and love. Buddhism in its various forms testifies to the essential inadequacy of this changing world. It proposes a way of life by which man can, with confidence and trust, attain a state of perfect liberation and reach supreme illumination either through their own efforts or by the aid of divine help…The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions.”

It is evident that Catholicism stands hand-in-hand with Buddhism and Hinduism.

In The Mirror Mind (New York: Fordham University Press, 1990) p. 7, William Johnston teaches the deceitful ways to directly experience God. He writes,

'Self-realization lies at the very heart of Buddhism …In self-realization I become one with God just as the object is one with the mirror and just as Jesus is one with his Father.'

When comparing and contrasting the Emergent Church with Catholic mystical practises, it is apparent that this movement uses the same techniques and forms of worship.

In the book, The Great Emergence, Baker: Grand Rapids, MI., 2008, Phyliss Tickle denies the Bible for being the sole standard for truth. She states,

'The Reformation… was to answer the question… Sola Scriptura, scriptura sola… While we may laugh and say the divisiveness was Protestantism’s greatest gift to Christianity, ours is a somber joke. Denominationalism is a disunity in the Body of Christ and, ironically, one that has a bloody history… Now, some five hundred years later, even many of the most die-hard Protestants among us have grown suspicious of “Scripture and Scripture only.” We question what the words mean - literally? Metaphorically? Actually? We even question which words do and do not belong in Scripture and the purity of the editorial line of decent of those that do. We begin to refer to Luther’s principle of “sola scriptura, scriptura sola” as having been little more than the creation of a paper pope in place of a flesh and blood one. And even as we speak, the authority that has been in place for five hundred years withers away in our hands.'

In the book, The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren (pg. 88), there is a quote which endorses contemplative prayer techniques that directly parallels that of Hinduism and the New Age Movement. Transcendental meditation or contemplative prayer is a practice by which a person empties their mind and use vain babblings to get closer to God.

Tony Campolo in his book, Speaking My Mind (pg. 149-150) declared,

'A theology of Mysticism provides some hope for common ground between Christianity and Islam. Both religions have within their histories examples of ecstatic union with God … I do not know what to make of the Muslim mystics, especially those who have come to be known as the Sufis. What do they experience in their mystical experiences? Could they have encountered the same God we do in our Christian mysticism?'

In the book, True Self/False Self Unmasking the Spirit Within teaches the concept of centring prayer called, 'lectio divina.' The author, Basil Pennington says that through this type of prayer we will learn our real self when we accept the Divine energy within which is 'an expression of the Divine Creative Energies.'

The author, Doug Paget in the book, Church Re-imagined (pg.87,89), endorses the practice called 'savasana' (corpse pose) where someone lies on their back letting their legs fall open, arms hang limp with their eyes closed breathing in a rhythmic fashion in order to reach a state of 'holiness.' As people get up, they commit to their daily practice of yoga.

The evidence of these type of practices endorsed by these authors who embrace the Emergent Church ideologies are simply leading people into spiritual adultery against God. The deceit these pagan philosophies have poisoned the young adult generation into buying into the new age concepts of relativism and tolerance that have superseded the fundamentals and standards of the genuine faith found in Scripture. When there is a 're-thinking' of simplicity of God’s salvation through Christ, it is ultimately saying that man can do it better than Christ can.

Universalism
Universalism

The Emergent Church implies that Christ puts no demands on anyone because he ate with those who were prostitutes and thieves. The flag of tolerance and acceptance of sin is waved high. They forget that Christ told the adulterous women to go and sin no more.

One Emergent Church youth pastor stated, 'Thank God for universalism.' He uses subjective reasoning instead weighing and testing the standard for truth in Scripture. Universalism is a heresy. It is a theological striptease that distorts the true Gospel. Often when pastors like these are confronted, they will often say, 'You are not showing God's love' and 'you are being judgemental.' When your elief is feelings based, it will change with the wind.

The Emerging Church is certain that we cannot be certain. They are self refuting. The Emergent Church is full of compromising sinners who love their philosophy because there is no accountability for your actions.

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. - Hebrews 4:12

Emotions supersede Biblical truth.
Emotions supersede Biblical truth.
Almine is endorsed and described as one of the greatest mystics of our time by world leaders and scientists alike.
Almine is endorsed and described as one of the greatest mystics of our time by world leaders and scientists alike.

The practices of New Age occultism will breed confusion for the Emergent Church believer who imitate abominable mystical practices that are detestable to God. Their justification is that they are thinking about Jesus while they are doing it. they do not realize that that the Jesus they are thinking about is not the biblical Jesus, but a mystical one of their own making.

Tony Jones, the national coordinator of the Emergent Village and author of Soul Shaper: Exploring Spirituality and Contemplative Practices in Youth Ministry (2003), and The Sacred Way: Spiritual Practices for Everyday Life (2005) wrote,

'Following some experience with the ancient practices outlined in this book, you may decide to incorporate some of them into your personal Rule of Life. An example of a rule could look something like this: Pray through two centuries of the Jesus Prayer in the morning and evening every day. Keep the Sabbath from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday every week. Walk a labyrinth once a month. Take a two-day silent retreat once a year. Fast and walk the Stations of the Cross every Friday during Lent. Take a 28-day Ignatian retreat every decade...'

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons - 1 Timothy 4:1

The Emergent Church is bound within the traditions of men and demonic gods of eastern religions. Unfortunately, they are spirituality bankrupt children of the devil.

The true Gospel of Christ is objective and can be comprehended.

There are many more satanic teachings within the Emergent Church. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Worship practices that promotes self-realization and enlightenment outside the way of Christ and the apostles is the wide road that leads to destruction. Do not be misled by these false teachers. God commands us to not surrender, compromise or have fellowship with those who claim to be followers of Christ who are in spiritual adultery.

Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? – 2 Corinthians 6:14

"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." - John 4:24

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Hxprof,

      “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins - Revelation 18:4

      I am blessed you have heeded the call. Thanks for your comment.

      God Bless

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      Hxprof 3 years ago from Clearwater, Florida

      This was a good read - you defined very well the agenda of the end of the age false church, or what I call Churchianity. I left my church back in 2006 when the minister at that church insisted on a pre-trib rapture; there were many more problems, but that false doctrine is especially destructive because it keeps so many Christians from pressing in, obeying all that Christ taught

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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Hi Michele,

      You are welcome to comment any time.

      You are right there are a lot of things that Jesus Christ foresaw that are happening right in front of our eyes. The syncretism between Islam and Christianity is called Chrislam. All lot of "Christian" leaders are endorsing this doctrine because they want peace and greater cooperation with each other. Their intentions may seem good, but this will lead Christians and Muslims astray from the true and genuine Gospel with a false belief that Allah and Yahweh are the same God. There is a danger with trying to reach a common ground as there will always be compromise by mixing worship of a false God with the the true and genuine one. Chrislam is no different than the Emergent Church in that they to try mix false religions that are incompatible with each other. The terms like cooperation and unity are paving the way to a one world religion.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Please forgive me for commenting twice, but this is happening so much. So many churches are combining. Jesus Christ stated

      You can only know God through Me. And how could Jesus have been the Son of God without being born of a virgin? Also, how could He have filled so many prophecies that had been written so many years before He had been born? No other religion ever had that.

      We are warned satan would blind us. All of the thing that the book of Revelation we can see happening, but people are denying it, even though Revelation even states they will deny it.

      Yes, there are people who are realizing the modern church is compromised, but it is still growing. There is one that is Islamic and Christian.

      The Koran does not believe Jesus is the Son of God, so how can Christianity and Islam be one?

      These things, I have trouble understanding.

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      PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Lambservant,

      There are more and more people who are realising that the modern "church" that they are in has been compromised. I am encouraged that you were bold enough to leave and be free of its heresy. The spiritually dead "church" that you left has embraced the doctrine of demons. Opening themselves to this will lead to the consequence of facing the wrath of God. All we can do is provide evidence of truth so that they will hopefully come out of their deception. Many leaders that promote these heresies have already been given over to a reprobate mind because they have chosen to believe a lie when confronted with Truth.

      Sorry about the plethora of pictures. I really wanted to drive home the point. Yes, there is a lot :o

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      Lori Colbo 4 years ago from Pacific Northwest

      I left my church of 21 years about 4 or 5 months ago, one of many reasons being that the pastor had strong Emergent church leanings. After Love Wins (Rob Bell) came out our pastor was asked about hell and from the pulpit he offered a plethora of different views, prefaced with a remark that it is hard to believe 95% of people are going to hell and only a small amount are going to make it. He quoted all the verses he knew evangelicals would quote to defend the true biblical view an twisted them rather grossly. At the end he said "In the end, there is probably some truth in all of them (speaking of all the different theories he presented on hell). The only reason I know how he concluded that way was listening to a recording later because I, and several other walked out.

      He quoted often from the emergent leaders and often did book reviews of their writings on his blog. Icons started showing up around the sanctuary because the gal that put them there (a dear friend) said it's nice to have a visual to help us pray. It seems very innocent to most people there because after all it was a cross. But I saw the beginnings of mystic types of worship. The last prayer meeting I went to I walked into the sanctuary and I had this cold, foreboding inside. The prayer meeting was rather lifeless and I couldn't shake this icky feeling in my gut. As I was leaving the sanctuary I noticed in the alcove a labrynth model on a table and a labrynth on the floor. It was just made out of white papers with Scriptures laid out in labrynth style, and again I got was told it was a helpful visual to pray. I am glad it was Scripture at least but it just didn't feel right.

      I think it can start in very subtly and as you said, the EC are good at using persuasive rhetoric. Well written and good information.

      I forgot to say your images are actually pretty good at nailing home some of your points, but I have to say respectfully, a bit of overkill in that I get distracted and lose my place where I'm reading. Maybe it's the ADD in me. That is a minor thing though.

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      PlanksandNails 5 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      FSlovenec,

      I am encouraged that you are aware of the deception of the Emergent Church movement. Thank-you for the Scripture verses and the affirmation.

      God Bless.

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      Frank Slovenec 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA

      Well thought out and written..thank you..living in San Francisco we see all kinds of this stuff..the Bible is the truth as written and not difficult to understand as said in Luke 10:21 "I praise you Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned and revealed them to little children, Yes, Father, for this was your pleasure." also in the later days even the elect will be deceived.. thank you

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      Michele Travis 5 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      This is a wonderful hub. Thank you for writing it. There is so much I need to learn.

      God bless you.

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      PlanksandNails 5 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      tlmcgaa70,

      ("The third comment on this hub is evidence of this. That person's truth is not derived from Scripture, or historical evidence, but their own personal feelings and ad hominem attack.")

      I was referring to the *third comment* from the top, which refers to the comment Nemesis had made, not yours. Your comment was *fifth*; therefore, it has no bearing on you whatsoever.

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      PlanksandNails 5 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      tlmcgaa70,

      I'm not sure what it is that you are referring to as an attack. There is nothing you have written here that I disagree with. I thank-you for sharing your thoughts and personal experiences.

      God Bless!

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      PlanksandNails 5 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      krillco,

      Unfortunately, the church of today is lead by emotions; what is preached from the pulpit is made to gloss our eyes over and tickle our ears. What happens is that our emotions become a god and take presidence over Biblical truth. It can become a problem when we let them rule and guide us because of our fallible nature. When we are constantly being fueled by our emotions, we can be mistaken into believing it is the Holy Spirit

      Emotions are really neither good or bad, but it is the behaviour that results from them. God cares about our emotions and they can be a part of our worship to Him, but when it comes to spiritual discernment, the only way to test those emotions are on Biblical precidence.

      Thanks for your thoughts.

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      William E Krill Jr 5 years ago from Hollidaysburg, PA

      I fully agree that our emotions should not lead us, and that the objective truths of Scripture abide. Yet, emotions do exist and we are made in God's image, so emotions are important and have great value for informing us of things spiritual. Of course, the task is to bring my thoughts and emotions in line with the Gospel. We should never be tempted to denigrate or 'throw out' emotion; Jesus Himself demonstrated the holiness of things like compassion and love. We (all) see through the glass darkly. Those who may claim 'special knowledge' in the spiritual realm (whichever spiritual realm) are either deceivers or Gnostics.

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      Dreamjar 5 years ago from Florida

      Their own truth... that is the problem.

      Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding Proverbs 3:5

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      PlanksandNails 5 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Dreamjar,

      ("It is possible that the Bible, the Koran, etc. are all wrong but they can not be all right.")

      There are those that believe in their own truth. The problem with the Emergent Church is that experience supersedes truth; therefore, their truth is relative. There are no real guidelines, or doctrine because everything is interpreted to feelings and opinions. The third comment on this hub is evidence of this. That person's truth is not derived from Scripture, or historical evidence, but their own personal feelings and ad hominem attack.

      The Emergent Church has redefined the Biblical God to one that loves "unconditionally" and does not judge sin, or require repentance.

      True Christianity follows the doctrinal guidelines set in Scripture. To reject the Bible as infallible, redefine it, and replace it with subjective mysticism is a completely different religion all together.

      If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself. - 1 Timothy 6:3-5

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      Dreamjar 5 years ago from Florida

      I apperciate this article and would just like to add that the only way to follow the philosophies of the 'Emergent Church' is to eliminate the validity of the Bible.

      Unless you choose to believe in a god that would set forth clearly defined rules and would then create a different set of rules you can not claim all religions as valid. It is the Bible in the Christian faith that says what the 'line' is for what is acceptable and what is not. It makes itself exclusive and declares other paths as wrong. Therefore in order to believe there are many ways to god the Bible can not be true.

      I don't believe my creator would so devilishly set His creation at odds with each other. There can only be one truth. It is possible that the Bible, the Koran, etc. are all wrong but they can not be all right.

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      tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa

      very true.

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      PlanksandNails 5 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      tmcgaa70,

      Thanks for stopping by and reading this theme.

      The three things we use in our lives are facts, faith, and feelings, but if we use them in the wrong order, it leads to deception. Without facts, there is no foundation for truth; we don't build a roof before the foundation is laid. Facts are the foundation, faith is what ersts on the foundation of the facts. Our feelings should come after; otherwise, the cart is put before the horse.

      The facts are true regardless of our faith and feelings. When we put value, or put credence to something, we have faith in that object. The facts of God are eternal, but our feelings change one day to the next regardless.

      What is important to understand is that many people want peace with God, but are allowing their feelings to take precidence over God's facts.

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      tlmcgaa70 5 years ago from south dakota, usa

      Planksand Nails...what you say here is truth. (you knew that =)...) and it is good to meet you. i will be following your articles here when i am done typing this. it is good to see someone writing the truth, not their interpretation but the truth in GODs Word. from my personal experience, i have found people who have darkness in them see truth to be hateful and anyone who speaks it speaks it filled with hate. they do not know what love is. GOD bless you.

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      PlanksandNails 5 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Nemesis,

      Scripture affirms that these pagan practices are ungodly, and are judged by it. If you do not agree, you need to provide evidence to the contrary other than an emotional rant. Feel free to use any of the text that I have written here, or any other of my themes, and we can walk it out.

      What I believe has been expressed in the many articles that I have written. Feel free to peruse them as I have made a stand on what I believe.

      ("Let me guess, it's obviously not the love of Jesus, because you demonstrate none of that.")

      There is a difference between guesswork and providing evidence to the contrary. All you have shown is an ad hominem fallacy based on an irrelevant personal premise on the subject here.

      Here is your error in reasoning:

      Person A makes claim X.

      Person B makes an attack on person A.

      Therefore A's claim is false.

      Without any relevant evidence, your comment does not authenticate other than emotional reasoning. Our emotions are a response to our thoughts; therefore, they cannot be taken as evidence.

      ("You are Matthew 17 incarnate. Please shut up.")

      If it is Scripture that you want to use as the standard for truth, then you need to demonstrate and clarify your reasoning, and why you have come to that conclusion to substantiate your claims. Emotions don't change the truth.

      Why do you refer to yourself in a plural form? Your name gives you away. Look in any thesaurus and see what your name is synonymous with; it pretty much sums up what the Emergent Church leads to.

      We find the truth in God's Word.

      "And how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." - 2 Timothy 3:15-17

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      Nemesis 5 years ago

      Ok, what do YOU believe. You are quick to judge others and declare them apostate. Your words are so full of venom and hatred for what you declare to be an alternative gospel, but you won't tell us what you believe. Declare yourself. Take a stand. You stand against so much--tell us what you are for. Let me guess, it's obviously not the love of Jesus, because you demonstrate none of that. You are a fraud, a hack, and a disgrace to Christianity. You are Matthew 17 incarnate. Please shut up.

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      PlanksandNails 5 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Johan Smulders,

      Often, when Biblical interpretation is discussed on basic doctrinal truths, some will say, "but that's your interpretation." The fact is, there is often only one correct answer to what God has spoken in His Word. It has nothing to do with whether we have the answers, but providing the evidence of the true answer that God has revealed in Scripture.

      Lack of basic Biblical foundation is not arrogance, but ignorance, or blatant disregard for the truth, especially when a person claims to be a Christian.

      I agree, the answers can be found in God's Word. Unfortunately, many do not weigh and test their opinions with Biblical truth and allow their emotional state, or personal bias to take precedence.

      Thank-you for your commenting and reading on this subject.

      God Bless.

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      Johan Smulders 5 years ago from East London, South Africa

      The Word of God has the answers and we need to find them. As soon as I believe I have all the answers and others don't I am acting with arrogance and need to go back to the Word that is rich and challenging and keep letting God speak to me!.

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