The End Of The World As We Know It: the significance of 2012
You may have heard people talk about 2012. Some people say it is the year when the world will end.
By Steve Andrews & CJ Stone
Apocalypse When?
Some say it is December the 21st 2012, the winter solstice, while others suggest it might be the 22nd or the 23rd. It depends on your interpretation of the start date. Some people are even more specific, and say that it will take place at 11.11am on one of these dates.
It is when the clock stops ticking and the apocalypse begins. The end of humanity as we know it.
Or, then again - depending on your point of view - it might be the point when us human beings evolve, finally, into what we were meant to be: higher dimensional beings with our place in the cosmos finally assured.
There is a third interpretation, of course. This suggests that nothing much will happen. We will go to bed on the evening of the 21st as usual, wake up on the morning of the 22nd, get out of bed and get on with our day. This is not to say that nothing will change. One thing will definitely change, and that is the date.
Calendar
But, before we get to the end, maybe we should say something about the beginning.
This was on the 11th of August 3114 BC.
Just to be clear: we are talking about the Mayan calendar here, which began its metronomic tick on the 11th of August 3114 BC, and ends on December the 21st (or thereabouts) 2012.
It was, until the advent of modern physics and the computer, the most accurate time-keeping device on the planet.
The Maya were a Pre-Columbian people of Central America and Southern Mexico who were responsible for a number of cultural innovations. They developed a writing system, and produced a large number of books, most of which, unfortunately, were burned by Spanish missionaries. They created a style of monumental architecture, including stepped pyramids. They lived in great cities and had intensive farming. They traded and interacted with various other peoples for more than a thousand miles in either direction, for more than a thousand years, and had a profound influence on all cultures in the region. They had a highly accurate system of astronomy and astrology, by which they studied the movement of the stars.
James Redfield
Evidence of their culture extends back to at least 1800 BC, but they reached the height of their power between about 250-900 CE, after which, for some inexplicable reason, they disappeared from the cultural map. This has led to some fanciful theories about what happened to the Maya. The most famous of these is contained within the novel, The Celestine Prophecy, by James Redfield, which has the entire Mayan race reaching “an energy vibration level” and evolving into a new spiritual dimension.
The problem with this is that, actually, the Maya didn’t disappear. The Maya still live in the region as they always have done. They just stopped building large buildings, that’s all. They went back to being farmers.
James Redfield illustrates a common problem we have in assessing Mayan culture, in that a lot of people, with no real understanding of what they have to say, have loaded a pile of cultural baggage on top of them, and thus distorted their message. So, for example, as well as having the Maya disappear, James Redfield also has them located in Peru instead of Mexico, and reading and writing in Aramaic (a Biblical language) instead of their own, native, Mayan tongue.
We add these details as a warning. Much of what you may read about the Mayan calendar has been messed about by people with various agendas and is quite simply not to be trusted.
2012: Not To Be Confused With
1) The Apocalypse. A series of predictions contained within the Book of Revelation in the New Testament, which some people claim is coming into being now. However, the Book of Revelations does not specify a time, and, according to some authorities, is a parable about its own time, not a prediction about the future.
2) Armageddon. A mountain in Israel where the final battle between the forces of good and evil will supposedly take place, according to the Book of Revelation. Again, no time period is specified.
3) The Age of Aquarius. This refers to the Precession of the Equinox’, a process by which the Earth’s 26,000 year wobble on its axis can be recognised by the movement of star signs on the horizon at specific times of the year. We are currently in the Age of Pisces, and about to move into the Age of Aquarius. As to when this will happen, this is hotly debated. Some say not for another 150 years at least.
4) The Rapture. This is a predicted future event in which all the followers of Jesus will be lifted bodily into heaven at the end of the world. Unfortunately, this supposed event doesn’t appear in the Bible, and is rejected by many Christians.
5) Nostradamus. The great prophet made a number of very vague pronouncements which can – and have been – applied to every age since he wrote them. It is possible to read anything you like into Nostradamus.
Wheels
So what, exactly, is the Mayan calendar, why it is so accurate, and what is the significance of the 2012 date?
Put simply, the calendar is really a number of different calendars which interact with each other like a series of interlocking wheels. There’s a 365 day calendar, a 260 day calendar, a Venus cycle, a moon cycle and a sun cycle, plus one or two more obscure calendars that no one understands as yet.
The 365 day calendar is called the Haab, while the 260 day calendar is called the Tzolkin. Both calendars are divided up into months and days: the Haab into 18 months of 20 days, with five days left over, the Tzolkin into 13 months of 20 days. Both calendars were used simultaneously, so a Mayan date was written as a combination of four figures, the day and the month of the Tzolkin, and the day and the month of the Haab.
The 260 day calendar might represent the period of human gestation – the nine months of pregnancy – the combination of Haab dates and Tzolkin dates then being used to determine character traits in the individual human being, in much the same way as our astrological system in the West. No one date could be repeated for a total of 18,980 days or 52 years.
The Maya counted in increments of 20 – duodecimal as opposed to decimal - and were using the figure zero before anyone in the West had discovered it.
On top of the 52 year cycle, the Maya also used something called the Long Count, a highly complex counting system able to take a measure of days and months and years over periods extending to thousands of years, starting with that initial date of the 11th of August 3114 BC.
Quite why history should have begun at this particular date is a mystery, but according to Mayan belief, the current cycle will end on the 21st December 2012.
This has led a number of modern researchers to speculate on what, exactly, will happen on this fateful day.
- The Law of Attraction, 2012 and other strange conceits
Theres talk of volcanic eruptions and giant comets, polar shifts and mass extinctions. Some people even say that it is the end of the world as we know it. - Prediction magazine: How To Survive 2012
One particular mystical-magical sect committed mass suicide. This seemed an illogical act to me.
José Argüelles
One of them, José Argüelles (born January 24, 1939), has recently changed his name to Valum Votan. He is one of the main people who have brought the date of 2012 to public attention.
Books by Argüelles include the best seller, The Mayan Factor, Surfers of the Zuvuya and the recently published Time and the Technosphere: The Law of Time in Human Affairs.
He believes that the world is in the terrible state it is in because we have been using the wrong calendar and are consequently out of sync with the cosmos. Because the end of the cycle is in the year 2012, in order to survive, Argüelles advises that the world needs to revise its calendar system in a return to natural time very soon or face the consequences.
However, it has to be pointed out that the calendar that Arguelles recommends is NOT the Mayan calendar, but a new calendar of his own devising, consisting of thirteen months of 28 days, with one day left over.
On his website, in his new identity as Valum Votan, he says:
“As Valum Votan, I am closer of the cycle. What does this mean? I complete the prophecy cycle of Pacal Votan and Quetzalcoatl, which defines the year 2012 as the conclusion of a schedule of historic and evolutionary cycles. How? My purpose is to further the cause of the Earth and her biosphere by calling for a return of the deviant human species to the correct cycles of the natural galactic order.”
As to his question "What does this mean?" - your guess is as good as mine.
Re-Evolution by The Shamen featuring Terence McKenna
Terence McKenna
Another author who has said a lot about 2012 is the late Terence McKenna (1946 – 2000) who perhaps became most famous for his collaboration “Re-Evolution” with the psychedelic dance band The Shamen, on their hit album “Boss Drum.”
McKenna made many references to the subject of eschatology, which is a mixture of theology and philosophy with reference to the final events in the history of the world.
On the Art Bell radio show of 5/22/97 McKenna said:
“There is only one point in the entire cycle where ... the universe is actually evolving some kind of process of self-metamorphosis, and human beings indicate that we have crossed some boundary into a new era, a new epoch of ever greater acceleration into this process of self-revelation. ... that point occurs on this solstice date in 2012”.
Conspiracy theorist and author David Icke has had plenty to say about 2012 as well. In his latest book – The David Icke Guide to the Global Conspiracy (and how to end it) (David Icke Books) – he says, “Another theme to be aware of is the gathering obsession with the year 2012. This is destined to become near-hysteria as that date approaches.”
Icke thinks it is to do with “a process of transformation” and he adds: “…but I say 2012 is a ‘window’ of change, not a year, day or hour when everything suddenly flips.”
Ten Books About 2012
1) 2013: The End of Days or a New Beginning: Envisioning the World After the Events of 2012 (Paperback) by Marie D. Jones
2) 2012: Crossing the Bridge to the Future (Paperback) by Mark Borax
3) The Mayan Code: Time Acceleration and Awakening the World Mind (Paperback) by Barbara Hand Clow (Author), Carl Johan Calleman (Foreword)
4) The Mystery of 2012: Predictions, Prophecies & Possibilities (Hardcover) by Gregg Braden (Author), Peter Russell (Author), Daniel Pinchbeck (Author), Geoff Stray (Author), John Major Jenkins (Author)
5) The Spontaneous Healing of Belief: Shattering the Paradigm of False Limits (Hardcover) by Gregg Braden (Author)
6) Maya Cosmogenesis 2012: The True Meaning of the Maya Calendar End-Date (Paperback) by John Major Jenkins (Author), Terence McKenna (Author)
7) The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness (Paperback) by Carl Johan Calleman (Author), Jose Arguelles (Author)
8) Return of the Children of Light: Incan and Mayan Prophecies for a New World (Paperback) by Judith Bluestone Polich (Author)
9) Serpent of Light: Beyond 2012 (Paperback) by Drunvalo Melchizedek (Author)
10) 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl (Hardcover) by Daniel Pinchbeck (Author)
Michael Tsarion
Alternative historian and conspiracy author Michael Tsarion in Atlantis, Alien Visitation & Genetic Manipulation (Angels At Work Publishing) says: “The ancient Mayan calendar ended at the year 2012 and some scholars have forecasted this date as the end of the world. Indeed, the way things are going, it could be. But more likely, it will be the world as we have known it that comes to an end.”
Michael believes that long ago an alien race of beings known as the Nephilim intermixed their genes with humans and thus “evil” entered the world. He says this happened in Atlantean times and that ever since these beings have been trying to escape from this planet where they have been imprisoned because the beings who pursued them put a “Stargate” around the Earth to stop them leaving.
One of his forecasts for 2012 is that:
“The progeny of the Atlanteans succeed in regaining all their technological hardware, especially that necessary for space travel. They manage to crack the code and break through the Stargate and prepare for departure. In so doing, they come out into the open more than ever, startling the human race who cannot comprehend what is happening. When they are out of range, they destroy the planet and all that lives on it.”
Astrologer, visionary and futurist author Michael St. Clair (born 28 February 1959), commonly known as St. Clair, in his book Zen of Stars – Futures of Planet Earth (Trafford Publishing) tells us:
“Many things were predicted for the end of 2012, and I can guarantee you it is not the end of the world, although I am not certain how many of us will be around in 2013. This depends on our stated intent, which we must communicate to the Cosmos. Prayers are useless at that time, whereas setting intent and letting it be known will work quantum physical miracles…”
He also adds:
“I see 2012 as a powerful and empowering year. Granted, there could be some rather disturbing weather patterns and super storms, as well as extreme unrest when looking at the position of Uranus, Pluto, and Saturn; yet on the whole I detect a strategic breakthrough for the entire planet Earth by the end of 2012.”
Philip Plait
You should notice one thing about all of these authors, that they all use a lot of words but end up saying very little. Also, with the exception of Jose Arguelles, who has made up a brand new calendar system based loosely upon the Mayan calendar, none of them is actually referring to the Mayan calendar in relationship to the date.
That is, like James Redfield, these authors may be using the date for their own entirely separate agendas.
There is one more possible interpretation, as suggested by the astronomer and sceptic Philip Plait.
The Mayan calendar works as a series of cycles. There’s a 260 day cycle, a 365 day cycle, a 52 year or 18,980 day cycle, along with a whole set of other cycles predicting lunar and solar events and the pathways of Venus. In other words the Maya understood the cyclical nature of time and like an ordinary calendar, which goes from December 31st to January 1st every year, or the milometer of your car, which goes from a series of 9s to a series of zeros in one click, that 2012 date might just represent when the calendar “clicks over” into a brand new cycle again.
Not an end, in fact: a beginning.
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I loved this hub! I don't think there is going to be any real end either. I thinkit might just be a change of some sort. I was on a website before tha the owner died. Lady Kadjina and they may still have their predictions on line and they also said that there was going to be a change and the first of those is the Stock Marekt Crash. They told me that the changes will be within the society of people and that we will be more people orineted and not driven mby money or financial markets. This truly would be a good beginning--or course an end to how things work now and to some that is a devastation of power that they now have.
Here is the preictions and just from watching things they have come true but they died when the owner died unfortunately.
There is another aspect to the 2012 issue. That date marks the ending of one cycle and the beginning of the next in reference to the position of our solar system within the galaxy. This is 26,000-year cycle. Astronomers and astrologers have long known about our planetary wobble which causes the north star to point toward a different constellation in the firmament. This shift occurs approximately every 2,000+ years. Hence, we have been moving out of the Age of Pisces and into the Age of Aquarius. The mathematics are somewhat obscure, but in any case, we have been told that this zodiacal progression coincides with the 26,000 year cycle in 2012. The galaxy makes a spiraling ellipsis around a so-called central sun, the source of all life for this galaxy. This central sun spews out of its core a constant pouring of life force energy that constantly feeds the galaxy forming stars, nebulae, gases, and such like including the helium and hydrogen that makes up our planet and us. It is the energy source that created our solar system with its planets and the life on its planets, including us. Most of the time during this 26,000-year cycle, planet earth has no direct view of the central sun. Beginning with 2012, we will move into position in the cosmos to be able to observe this source of life straight on. The central sun is said to be thousands of times larger than our local sun. The energy pouring out of the central sun will be directly aimed at us. No one actually has a clue how this phenomenon will effect us and the life on this planet. The last time we were in this relationship in our galactic spiraling, facing this central sun was in the time of ancient, ancient Egypt, and that experience gave rise to the story of Isis. The story Isis, we regard as a myth. For the Egyptians, it was the science language of their time, and it tells the story of this central sun. Isis is the central sun and the creator of our world, she gave birth to Horus, which is the name the Egyptians gave to our local sun.
2012 marks a huge moment in our cosmic history, so huge that the moment has drawn unprecedented numbers of souls to our planet to witness the event. Hence the rapid growth of our world's population. I believe we are all very excited to be here at this time.
The guy's name was Wayne Moody.
I believe that too about lots of souls here for a purpose. It is exciting isn't it!
I choose Philip Platt's interpretation that it is simply the jogging over of the digits of their chronological measuring device. Gosh that's nice and simple. Why don't we just follow the truth and not give all the conspiracy theorists the publicity they don't deserve? Why do people too often think that because a civilisation is ancient it must have some lost truths? Often (but not always) ancient peoples were unenlightened, confused and plain wrong.
What occured to me is that they are taking this one single civilization and making it look like they were the only ones on the planet at that time. I know they weren't. It seems silly to me to even think that just one had all the answers when there was more of the planet then just that area.
creepy, scary but exciting yes! Also it seems that there is a signifact change in peoples emotions, a global spiritual conquest. However the Spirt is described it does seem evident that people are doing some serious soul searching.
Although I did hear of Planet X being the factor contributing to the events of 2012, The Galexy Central Sun sounds more in tune. I was reading up about Planet X, if I remember right, back in 1979 or 89, a new planet was found ouside our solar system. Given that back then, this object was pretty hard to accurately give a size or anything really, to it other than it was large.
As our satellites got better, they noticed that this Planet X was much, much larger than they first assumed. How large? Something to the degree of a million times bigger than us, and it's tragectory being in line with us in 2012.
However it turns out, it will be pretty interesting to see, that is of course if we don't get burned up on the spot, lol.
Interesting stuff, but haven't we passed some of these doomsdays already in the past, unscathed?
I think planet X has already passed by us, if I remember correctly.
Yeah I remember a dooms day on May 5th 1999 and again was it 2000. My dad said, whatever. He said people have been talking about dooms day for as long as he has been alive and well it looks like me too.
I don't know if Planet X already passed but you can neve really tell if the information you getting off the internet is accurate, so I don't pay so much attention, just keep certian "scenarios" in the back of my mind just in case.
You know, to keep a heads up. LOL.
I didn't read that over the internet but on a science show on one of the History channels.
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Hi Lady G, always good to see you here. I will look up that link, and, like you, am optimistic about our future on this planet, though it would involve a vast change of attitude for us to survive. The best we can do is to change ourselves maybe?
Hi vitaeb yes I mentioned the 26,000 year precession of the equinox' cycle in the side box: Not To Be Confused With. I don't know about the Galactic central sun, but I do like the idea that the world is filling up with soul-tourists come to witness the great event. Pass the popcorn!
Hi QFT: yes I tend to go along with Philip Plait, though I think that he would agree that the achievements of the Maya as Stone ge scientists was remarkable. The calendar is truly awesome, and it shows, to me, what a stone age people can achieve just by meticulous observation of the cycles of nature.
Hi Sandra: no I've not heard of Planet X either. I think the Maya were cheifly concerned with the movement of the Milky Way, hence galactic level astronomy.
Ralph, yes a lot of it has passed us by, but we're still waiting on 2012. My main interest is in that fantastic calendar.
Being the type that loves a good "end of the world" story (for entertainment purposes only), this 2012 stuff is fascinating to me. I recently bought a book by Whitley Streiber that seems like it will satisfy my need for cataclysmic terror :)
If there is any truth to 2012...I would prefer it to be a new phase of enlilghtenment for humanity. If we start now, then we'll have about three years to get there. Current events bring out the pessimist in me though...so if it's going to happen, it'll have to be a personal goal. :)
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Hi spryte, oh I like a bit of cataclysmic terror too. I'm hoping that the stock market crash will help us all to re-evaluate our relationship to the planet. We'll see....
Fantastic work CJ and Steve, I love this hub. I am inclined to think it won't be the end of the world in 2012, (as in 'BANG' we're gone!), but possibly the end of the world as we know it, and hopefully that is a good thing. If humanity starts working together instead of fighting each other as part of this new era, then it would truly be a positive change. I too have heard it said that the stock market crash is the beginning of this change and maybe we will be forced to become less materialistic.
If nothing at all happens in 2012, so be it, but we will simply have to wait and see.
:) :) :)
If we get past 2012, global warming will get us eventually. What me worry?
Hey CJ, fascinating Hub as usual. It is the Inka shaman who are in Peru. The following is an interesting site with a video you can click that offers a prediction of an Inka Holy Man.
Great Article! I dont really believe in any of the assumptions.,and mainly because I have faith. As we know faith and science dont mix, and I personally think that we all have are going to die some day, and therefore thats the end of the world for us. So, whats the hype about 2012? Everyday alotta of people have their daily dose of Armmagedon, whether its is bomb blasting or natural cause. If we can be so concerned with conspiracy theories, then we should definatelly be prepared for whats guaranteed to happen to everyone(death).
Live each day to the fullest, that in itself is a huge challenge. Very well researched, CJ, I believe we are close to something different, and change is a good way to describe it. What will matter, is the way we've lived, no matter when.
You always enlighten, and I appreciate it!
I read a book by Terrence McKenna that was about UFOs and a specific drug he was taking in South America so he could see them. The book made me think, geez Pam, you could write something way less whacked out than this--but maybe that's the charm of his writing. I did read the whole book, but I don't recall much about it except that I thought he was bonkers, albeit in a very charming way.
2012 is only four years away, but I'm ready for whatever. I'm 55 but I feel 110, so, you know, reset, end the world, start the world, it's all the same to me at this point.
Great hub you guys! You two make a good team.
Interesting stuff, CJ- I've heard a lot of amazing things about the Mayans, even that they were transported by aliens.
Does anyone know if the Mayans believed the world would end when the calendar does? Isn't it possible the date is simply when the calndar ends?
We humans love our doomsday scenarios.
CJ,
Planet X is mentioned in Zachariah Stitchin's book, The Twelfth Planet.I am with CW on his views. Why would the want to go any further in their future then where they went. I think it will be uneventful just lke the Y2K was and they thought the world would end then!
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Hi Misty, see that's what Steve and I are doing, "working together instead of fighting each other as part of this new era", writing hubs together. Glad you like it, and, as you say, we'll just have to wait and see what 2012 brings.
Hi Ralph, I'm not sure if the Maya mentioned global warming or not. But I guess it's all part of the end-of-the-world scenario.
Hi DEQ, yes it's true we're all going to die anyway, but there's a natural order in that isn't there? For instance no parent likes to go before their children. It's our children's world too, and the way things are going it looks quite possible that we're messing up the future for them too.
Hi marisue, glad you liked the article, thought I'm not entirely sure I'm intending to enlighten anybody. Just trying to entertain really. But I agree with you, change is on its way and I'm quite looking forward to what's coming down the line.
Hi Pam, like the new photo. Yes you're right, Terence McKenna was a charming nutter. Too many drugs I think. Glad you like the hub. Yes I think Steve and I make a good team too and I'm sure we'll do lots more stuff together.
CJ, You two come up with wonderful things! You two do work well together and it shows in the information that you both provide here.
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Hi Constant, well you can ask the Maya yourself whether aliens had anything to do with it as they live down there in Mexico, in a region called Chiapas and are currently part of the anti-Capitalist Zapatista movement. Don't know if they believe the world will end in 2012 or not. Somehow I think a lot of these authors forgot to ask. It would be interesting to find out wouldn't it? I'm sure they have an opinion on the matter.
Thanks for the information re Planet X Lady G. Let's wait and see what 2012 brings.
It definitely would.
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I wonder how we'd go about finding out?
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Hooray!
It seems weird that the Mayan culture vanished but not all the Mayans. This has always left me going; But, What, Where, Why, How... you know?
Wouldn't these descentants have been questioned by historians (and others) about their ancestors? Wouldn't there be passed down history as to what happened to them?
I know this a stupid questioned but I've always wondered, How can there be mysteries and unanswered questions about a "vanished culture" when some of them still live?
Interesting, the world must be ending if you and Steve are writing together mate :-) Great stuff
Great hub guys! Thanks both for entertainment and food for thought. :)
I too don't think it's gonna be a literal end-of-the-world, but change definitely can be smelled in the air, so looks like this one has chances to be not as non-eventful as all previous ones were :)
Hi Chris and everyone here!
Just wanted to add that my friend Freeman has actually visted the Mayans and you can read what he has to say here:
Of course the world's gonna end in 2012. Wanna know why? 'Cause that's the year I plan to retire and leave the rat-race behind and do what I wanna do when I wanna do it, that's why!
Yup. It's all my fault.
Sorry ...
Yuck. Double-post gremlins.
Another great cooperative effort, Chris & Steve. My take on this and most such metaphysical notions is that there is no causality involved. However, the world is changed by people. If a lot of people believe something is going to happen, then they may act accordingly (which could mean anything from meditating to blowing themselves up). I'm not expecting anything substantial to come out of 2012!
Great stuff, man. I confess to not buying any of it any more than I thought we were all toast on new years day, 2000 or any of the other ones, but I do love this stuff. Makes you think, and it's good for us to see the universe through different lenses.
CJ and Steve. great hub. interesting well researched and thought provoking. I recently read a book that attempted to plot various astrological events against adjusted time allowing for different calendars and of course Atlantis and the Pirie Reis maps all made a bow. I love this stuff it is all so fascinating and naturally full of accumulated conjecture over the years from diffrent chroniclers and researchers. Interesting, none the less. I look forward to more from you guys.
Vitaeb. The "central sun" is actually a super massive black hole. It seems that there are, very likely, one of these at the heart of each galaxy in the universe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2000/massiveb...
As to what the 2012 date means, I'd venture that Philip Plait has got it about right.
Very interesting. Thanks for the Hub.
Very interesting hub. I don't think the world is going to end (I just don't), but I find it interesting that so many religions predict a doomsday scenerio. It may have been a reflection of those times when tribes of people were killing other tribes so their own existence was called into question. However, if humanity somehow changes for the better, I welcome it. Doubt it, but welcome it.
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Hi everyone, I'm so pleased that this hub has generated such an amount of commentary, if only because it's mine and Steve's second foray into joint authorship. I'm hoping there will be plenty more where this one came from. I must admit though, being a sceptic, I hardly believe a word of it. The Maya were cool though, and that calendar is truly awesome in its scope and its accuracy. All power to our Mayan brethren.
I got an idea for your next hub----The Inner Earth stuff --- Argatha.
Fantastic Hub! I'm going to wait until January 2012 and quit paying the mortgage. I mean, why bother?
Another excellent hub, my friends. I hope your partnership continues to produce many more hubs like this!
*smiles*
Great co-operative Hub guys. I also love all this stuff but tend to take it all with a bit of the proverbial, you know? I love the fact that you write hubs together - who gets the Hub score, though?
Just kidding!
Love and peace (while we still have time!)
Tony
Hey Cj I think its a bit rich of you to call Mckenna 'a charming nutter'.From what I understand he use of the sacraments was fairly frugal in his later life.He may have at timer taken much and gone far but to call hima nutter is a bit insulting after all his writing on psychedelics are second to none>He has managed to bring something babck for us all to discuss can you say the same ?
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I do my best Sam, as I'm sure we all do. No offence to Mr McKenna, but he's long gone and probably reincarnated as a sacred mushroom by now.
Great Hub CJ and Steve,
I was interested in Vitaeb's comment about the huge amount of souls gathered on this planet ahead of 2012, and in a weird way it kind of made sense. As to the end of the Mayan civilisation, well, isn't that similar to the Egyptian, Greek, and Roman civilisations? Nothing too strange there. As you say in your hub, they didn't disappear, they just stopped constructing huge monumental buildings, just like the Egyptians! I'm looking forward to 2012, and hope that it will be the dawn of an age of reason and common-sense.
Really interesting hub and well written to boot. I believe that the hype around 2012 is just so much hippie, pseudo-mystical hot air. On the other hand, I also think that there is an Omega point on its way probably within the next 100 years which will be caused by a convergence of ultra powerful technologies that are new to human history, namely: computers, genetics, robotics and nano-technology. I suspect that human beings will almost be unrecognizable from the point of view of someone living today.
Very informative. I am a Christian and I know that there is no way of knowing the reurn of the Lord. I'll go with the "just another day theroy". I have actually been wondering about all the hype concerning 2012 and I believe you have truly answered all of my questions. for that I thank you so much. I was particularly impressed with the way you covered each of the unique beliefs concerning "the end". That was something that most would not do. You have also done an excellent job of remaining nuetral and reporting the facts as opposed to your personal beliefs. Something I need to learn how to do.
Interesting hub and I guess we'll just have to wait and see if anything spectacular occurs in 2012.
Cheers!
Chef Jeff T.
Thanks Chris, as always time spent reading your work is benificial and copacetic.
I put some mystic study time in on this issue back in the twentieth,and a group of us decided that it was a useful way to mythologise our journey.We wanted to stay strong through the Millenium craziness and be fit for some kind of contribution,solution,after Winter Sostice 2000,we were all feeling like we had been on that road a long long time, maybe since the sixties, or
maybe,reincarnationally speaking a bit longer than that. Since 2012 sees most of us into our sixties, we were wondering what we could reasonably excpect of ourselves....but of course we have had little experience of being reasonable about what we expect..so we made a vow to put in one last effort..twelve more years of imagining and idealising, hoping and faithing.....after which we would give ourselves group permission to let ourselves off the hook.If we are all still incarnated and able to a throw a party bigger and better than the beach party we enjoyed winter solstice 2000,2012 mythology will have worked for me.
Thanks also for Gaza writings..Armagedon coming to someone every moment of every day.....
Remember Peace Laine
This is really well-written and I agree with God's child about how you objectively laid out several different theories - and I liked this one: "I do like the idea that the world is filling up with soul-tourists come to witness the great event. Pass the popcorn!"I think that there is a tremendous force (or forces) working in the universe right now which is causing all this reaction and questioning as to what is happening or going to happen. It is part of the human experience that people are extrapolating about all these different theories to explain the vibrations that they know they are feeling, but can't explain.
Myself? I believe that the clock is ticking down the time for the Second Coming of Jesus and that His coming is imminent! I know lots of non-believers will argue about this. But I know what I know...
Whenever whatever it is happens, then we will know what it is, won't we?
i have read lots of religious writings...hopefully the apocalypse will be a lifting of the veil...or are there many....it seems that we are all receptive to this...i think we will all be amazed by the truth....for it is apparent that none of us knows 4 sure...if their are revealings and we are given choices...let us make sure we make the right ones...of course we all feel the vibrations...it is well that we are sensitive to these....i am sure it is the voice of god....it is just that the records we might have had have been distorted by varied self interested parties...stay in tune with yourself...hear the music of the cosmos...
remember that kindness is the ultimate power...b strong...bee powerful...
Well researched and written 2012 prophecy. Thanks for that. Every one has their own interpretations of whether the world is going to end or not.
For me, the world is ending all the time because when we die, the world end. Without the mind, there's no world, well at least not at the whole physical world we are talking about. But itsn't that the whole cosmos is made up of energy?
Appreciate your writing.
I followed this link from a hub rmr did. I love this stuff too. I am not sure what might happen. I know from watching a show on the history channel that the Mayans predict that the earth will be done in by fire and the the earth has been destroyed four times and this will be the fifth time. I guess that might explain what happened to the dinosaurs.
My Dear Sweet Friend,
All we canst say is --wow! We hadst no idea about this. What, with the FREE DAY MANDATE, and the economic predictions of a stock market crash, we truly wonder. For us 2023 is a year of world-ending significance. And, that is the end of the world as we know it. A world without money and other mediums of exchange. This, however, is not Mayan, but Christian. Yet, we wonder how it all might tie in together.
As it standest, we art set to be a sacrifice. One to die for the changing of the world from a "hell-world" unto a "heaven-world" amongst other "heaven-worlds". Our death year is marked, yet we art, today, seemingly being pushed unto an earlier year. And, with the progress that we art making, the year 2012 is not far-fetched.
I have my way of looking at things, To me there was something about the way the guy from NASA said to enjoy 2013. I realized that 11 days from the 21-12-2012 will take us to 1-01-2013. Both 11 and 13 are significant numbers in the occult world. Now I have no prof of anything but I think the secret society guys and gals just might be cooking up something for the world in 2013, so they distract us in 2012. Remember I have no prof just saying.
- Author
No the guy from NASA was being straight. There's no significance to 2013, only to 2012. It's to do with the Mayan calendar, nothing to do with occult symbolism. The secret society people might be cooking all sorts of stuff up for all sorts of reasons, but it will have nothing to do with the Mayan calendar, which is what this hub is about. Thanks for your thoughts though.
really nice and useful...!!! I read a lot about 2012... and what I really want to experience is waking up on the morning of the 23rd of December and updating my facebook status....!!!!! cool idea rite..???
CJ, et al,
Please give me a moment to describe a metaphysical vision i have had or it might have been bad Burritos.
I have used my powers of mental timetravel go back to the building of the Temple and guess wht i found out???
the stone carvers worked day and night until one day hixalliJimmy Hoffacoatl, said this stone arving is unfair we get paid so little for what? bread and water food and shelter .. thats not enough we stone carvers need more dys off pension better medical. we are stopping work on this last Catuhn that will end at the Galactic conversion thousands of years from now ... well lets just say the stone masons went on strike and never went back to work and NEVER FINISHED THE CALENDER.
They stood outside with their signs "king is unfair does not care" "Not cutting stone workers just getting the bone", "Finish your own calender-- Stonecutters local 002
its just a theory but i have not been wrong on my historical visions.....
TH
- Author
Good theory. So THAT'S why the calendar ends in 2012. The Stone cutters never finished it.
Actually, Tom, they did finish it, as you can see in the picture above, but what that picture also shows you is that the Mayans (and Aztecs after them) conceived of time as a series of cycles, which means the 2012 date is just the end of another cycle.
Thanks for you your fun theory though. I enjoyed it!
cJ,
people always ask me whats going to happen on 12/22/12 i simply reply-saturday secondly
I appreciate you taking the time to review my *ahem* ever changing theory on the mayans it seems to change as i make stuff up- i mean as i get more information
great read hank s again...
Th
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