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A Humorous Purpose for Religious Things

Updated on May 19, 2011

For the last few months

I let a question float in cyberspace that has existed in a much more serious nature elsewhere. The spirit in which I proposed it was indifferent to the fact that said question has been arounda lot longer then I have existed. Among scriptural scholars who ascribe to the forms of study and questioning that I follow, the question, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pen?" Holds a special place in expression and actually speaks a language of caution to us. When I floated it, there were a number of questions which I considered an affront to my ideals in this area. Whether the question has a meaning or real answer or not is immaterial to me. The point to the question is that it doesn't do for people to ask questions that, though there may be an answer, that answer in all reality does no one any good and leaves everyone who ponders it feeling a little foolish for their effort.

That being said, I know that there is no such thing as a religious question without an answer. I have spent the better part of my life stretching the limits of asking such questions into areas that I had previously though were forbidden until I got an answer.

Even so, i have still come into questions every now and again that are more a detriment to those who consider them then they are a useful portal to enlightenment. I am still opposed to such questions. I believe that until man answers for the true meanings of the first four principles and ordinances of the gospel of God: Faith, Repentance, Baptism, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, there are many other questions that range beyond this that are totally beside the point and pointless to ask until the basics are known.

I suggest in this that people get to the simple truths of heaven and master them. Hopefully on the journey one will learn a few things along the way that will lead to questions that follow the great four steps in the path of knowledge. Once the first four are understood and mastered the spirit will then be ready to address the other questions.

Even so, I caution against going into the dark or frivolous corners of the library of eternal knowledge least you find things that serve more to corrupt your spirit then to actually teach anything that will make you happy. You must judge them by the feeling they present when you approach them The more in the dark you become and confused you feel the further afield you have become. Eventually you become rapt around the axial. In other words, you may come to an epiphany of sorts or an intellectual grasping of the thing you went wading into the dark to understand and then you find you don't know the way back and so you obsess over what you found or think was found.

I have mourned the passing of more then a few great minds that at one point were filled with such light that the things they discovered have lit my path and helped me find the roads to great knowledge but somewhere along the line they wandered off into the mist of the questions that hang in the darkness like will o wisps. When I see my former friends stuck there and incapable of discerning the voices of reason that are trying to guide them back, it makes me sad.

It is for this reason I asked this question because I understand those waters and even though I actually believe that this question concerning pens and angels may have an answer, I have never found a functional reason in my soul to study it. It is that reason that I know will lead me back to rationality if I start to feel bogged down by the chase.


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    • Jaggedfrost profile image

      Jaggedfrost 6 years ago

      Arb, and AnnaCia, thanks for stopping by. This article has floated for some time. I am not ashamed that I wrote it but every now and then one makes an intellectual point and even in doing so wonders if it does any good. It is interesting to get such heated discourse from time to time. Dan did have a point. If the book exists in the eternal library there is a reason it is there. Moreover I know that if the book exists there is a Godly reason for the book to be read.

      I have experienced, however that there is always a price. I have noticed that some of the corners of our spiritual library are reserved for those with special permits. If one goes there without such one often ends up in dark places where Father has no jurisdiction.

      I don't think I was ready to discuss that fact at the time I wrote the original article. Time has a way of softening somethings.

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      AnnaCia 6 years ago

      Interesting views from everyone. A hub that has given me a purpose to seek for some answers my self. Thanks.

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      arb 7 years ago from oregon

      The wonderful thing about growing, is we move from infancy. That we spend so much of what matters on things that never will, is evidence that growing up requires leaving things behind. Provactive and well done. Sure to stir the ire of those who cling to nursing!

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      Jaggedfrost 7 years ago

      I am glad we see eye to eye. It is nice to talk to someone rational in these matters.

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      hillrider 7 years ago from Mid-west United States

      And I wouldn't be prone to disagreement.

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      Jaggedfrost 7 years ago

      As mass is intelligence attached to element and all such things answer to Christ. It is not said that these men partook of a mortal existence in the sense that we do. In all likely hood they were not mortal but rather had a body that was formed for the soul reason to test the people and was disposed of just as quickly.

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      hillrider 7 years ago from Mid-west United States

      JFrost- neat hub, different than what I have seen from you but still pertinent. For me, Dan has made a point, I think we do need to ask all sorts of questions with the understanding that as we are told in (1 Corinthians 2:14)that natural man cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God.Yes, angels are spiritual beings. That is accepted.

      Yet when Lot was removed from Sodom (Genesis 19:15) shows that the ANGELS hurried him,(19:16)says the MEN grabbed his hand. Perhaps I am mistaken but this isn't a different pair than were let into the house and so I assume these angels took form as men which WOULD indicate the ability to have both mass and substance.

      (IMO) Humans have looked at this as having only one answer where I believe it could have more. If God can impregnate a virgin with His son why could he also not give angels mass and substance and for whatever reasons were chosen, then allow them to dance ? Doesn't seem an impossibility to me is all I am saying.

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      Jaggedfrost 7 years ago

      This question actually stemmed from a circa 1830's argument on just that subject. In this era, we have other such questions that we explore without much success and less validation. one of those is, "Is god an extra terrestrial or someone who hales from the same planet we do and we are only transplants?"

      The question that got my juices pumping on this one was the cooling irritation with a writer who thought it was appropriate to get the writing public here to validate an esoteric and ludicrous dream as a possible metaphoric statement of fact.

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      Dave Mathews 7 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

      The fact that anyone would ask that question, expecting any logical answer of any kind is beyond my scope of reason. It can not be answered because angels are spiritual beings, therefore have no mass or substance.


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      Jaggedfrost 7 years ago

      Thank you Jack and Dan for your perspectives. It was to illicit such perspectives that I wrote and that I was affirmative in explaining my point of view not decrying any other. I

      find nothing gained by tearing down points of view directly. I laugh not at the gods people fear but rather supplant other less savory emotions to which my flesh is weak with laughter and even then I never call out the people who inspire my form of humor by name.

      I find human behavior fascinating almost as much from an external point of view. I have been on the outside looking in for a long time. It has tainted how I see life. There is no venom any more but I reserve the right to be amused and to try to share my point of view in a need to teach as much as to learn.

      I have found playing both sides of an opinion in an article to not be very helpful so I invite others to do that part for me. As much as I can be amused I have a tendency, when others are directly attacked to defend their right to have opinions that I in no way agree with.

      Whatever I am I would die before trying to actually suppress someone's right to provide an opinion that I otherwise might be in disagreement with.

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      Daniel J. Neumann 7 years ago from Harrisburg, Pa

      Jagged Frost,

      I voted you up and gave you a "useful," but I've got to disagree with your conclusions.

      Even "trivial" questions reveal something about us—even if that means finding out that the pursuit of such answers are, ultimately, irrelevant to the truth.

      We need probes. We require people we disagree with to talk. We even necessitate nonsensical questions to figure out what the right questions are... by what they clearly aren't.

      This is a deconstructionist idea, but I also believe in constructivism. In other words, meaning is created (constructed) and updated by a cycle with no beginning or end (definition and connotation, if you'd like). At the same time, inverting our understanding (through deconstruction) grants new perspectives to gauge relative truth.



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      Apostle Jack 7 years ago from Atlanta Ga

      There are some purposes you don't make fun of in this world my friend,God and His Heavenly Host is at the top of the list.I can see pass mistakes to a need to be reconcile.So,that being said let us move on to a more perspective way of ideas and communication and a total respect for the Higher Powers.If you will read my hub on the subject call "Laughteristics"and get a more complete view of my sincereity about the matter.I hold no negative thoughts,just a need to be understood.