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What Happened to the Biblical Saints of the First Century?

Updated on March 8, 2017

The purpose of this article is to present a theory concerning the manifestation of the early saints who were sealed by the Holy Spirit in the first century as presented in Scripture. From the day of Pentecost onwards, the early ekklesia flourished, even under persecution as the their faith started to spread. Some two-thousand years later, with many claiming the 'continuity' of the saints, there is really no resemblance to the same manifestation of the Holy Spirit today with the events of that time. It seems that the record that they left behind has not continued in the same magnitude today, but at some point abruptly declined, or came to a halt.

However, there may be some clues by reading Scripture in the context of the audience to whom it was speaking to. Often, many will read Scripture believing that words apply to them when it actually applies to the people of that day and age. With this in mind, the following will propose a theory that may hold truth, or may be too farfetched to have any merit. It is up to the reader to affirm, refute and discuss the evidence presented.

Today, Scripture is presented through so many different doctrinal lenses that many have a particular bias that lean towards their brand of doctrine, but please keep an open mind.

Will the following theory have any merit for discussion, or will the whole thing will come crashing down?

That will be up to the reader to decide.

The Saints

The Greek word hagios means saint, which means people who are set apart for God. He has made them into special people separated from the world system through His Son, Yahshua Messiah. In the New Testament, when reading about the saints, they are also referred to as the elect.

The testament of these people are found in the following Scripture passages:

The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised – Matthew 29:52

But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. – Acts 9:13

The saints of that day (1st century) were sealed by God.

And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee. - 2 Corinthians 1:21-22

In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit – Ephesians 1:13

And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. – Ephesian 4:30

It is obvious that these passages refer to the believers of that time, but there is also another sealing by the Holy Spirit in Revelation that seems to apply to a great multitude at a future event.

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands – Revelation 7:9

In this day and age there are those who believe that they qualify to be 'saints' as a 'continuation' of the early ekklesia, but if there is another sealing at a future date, then the sealing of the first century believers would not apply to believers today until they are sealed as part of great multitude in the future.

Could there be something that is unique concerning the 'sealing' of the saints?

It seems that the manifestations of the sealing of the early ekklesia by the Holy Spirit has not manifested in the same manner as with the first century saints.

In the modern church system today, people go through their religious man-made rituals, but this is in direct opposition to the testament of the first century saints. It is a religious world where people go through the motions of their denominational templates, but in no way resembles, or comes close to the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in the first century. In their vanity, they claim these same manifestations, but they are far from the true power of the Holy Spirit.

It would seem that at some point during the first century, the great manifestation of the Holy Spirit with great signs and wonders among the early saints came to a halt.

From the time of the middle of the first century, the 'continuation' of early saints all but disappeared as the new counterfeit via Constantine manifested as the Roman Catholic Church and later with with her many offspring.

Isn't it obvious when you look around today that there is nothing that resembles anything like the sealed saints of the first century?

The signs and wonders that were happening among the early saints are not happening among believers today. Many are attempting to re-enact the historical account with their 'revival' meetings, but it seems that this is all an illusion and counterfeit.

Could the powerful manifestation of the Holy Spirit have to do with sealing of the saints in the first century?

If so, could there be a 'sealing' of similar fashion with a powerful move of the Holy Spirit in the future as it applies to a great multitude in the book of Revelation?

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A Plausible Event

And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates...

Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. – Matthew 24:31-35

It would seem that these verses in proper context reveal that Christ was addressing the people of that time. This is clear when He refers to the audience as 'you' and would indicate that 'this generation' was in the first century. Moving forward to the time of Apostle Paul, in similar manner, he addresses the early ekklesia within that same generation.

Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. – 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

Again, we have to ask ourselves whether this verse applies to believers today, or was Paul actually speaking directly to the audience of that day?

It would seem that the pronouns 'you' and 'we' whom Paul was referring to applied to the people of that day.

But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep...

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words. – 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

Again, it seems clear that these above words were for the Thessalonian ekklesia living during the first century. Paul’s words were addressed to them.

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. – Colossians 3:1-4

So that you are not lacking in any gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ - 1 Corinthians 1:7

And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. – 1 Thessalonians 1:7

The picture seems to get clearer to whom these verses apply to when considering the imminent event that was spoken to 'soon' take place. Consider the words of Christ in these next verses and the audience being addressed.

And the high priest stood up and said, “Have you no answer to make? What is it that these men testify against you?” But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, “I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.” – Matthew 26:62-64

Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” – Matthew 16:28

The word 'kingdom' in the above verse is basilea in Greek, which primarily means royalty.

Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them, the one who also had leaned back against him during the supper and had said, “Lord, who is it that is going to betray you?” When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about this man?” Jesus said to him, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!”

So the saying spread abroad among the brothers that this disciple was not to die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die, but, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?” – John 21:20-23

Was Christ talking to his disciples concerning an event that would happen in their lifetime about his coming for his own 'soon?'

Was Christ talking about spiritual event, or physical one?

Happening Soon?

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. – Revelation 1:1

The questions we must ask ourselves,

What must soon take place?

It is kind of hard to put 'soon' in the context of our time almost two-thousand years later. This does not necessarily mean that the book of Revelation does not have things that are to be fulfilled in the future, but when John wrote it, it would seem first and foremost was to the audience of the first century with words that were directed to them and what they were to expect in their lifetime.

I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown. – Revelation 3:11

And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.” – Revelation 22:6

He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! – Revelation 22:20

Did John know that Christ was coming soon, possibly within his lifetime?

Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. – 1 John 2:18

Does the 'last hour' apply to believers today, or was John speaking about the signs that Christ was coming back for them soon?

Are There any Supporting Factors?

The Biblical accounts of the early saints seem to have come to an end within the first century as there is a 'silence' from 70 to 120 AD until the manifestation of the Roman Catholic Church.

Is there a continuation of the ekklesia that Christ is building in existence today?

It seems that all modern church doctrines are in direct conflict with the 'the faith once delivered' to the early saints?

Did the early ekklesia become corrupted and cease to be zealous for the truth?

One thing to consider is that upon the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, the elect were severely persecuted and martyred by the Romans. This could be the reason that they fell into obscurity through persecution. Today, there is only a remnant who are a scattered fringe group who are united in Christ who do not take part in counterfeit Christianity run by men. They are awaiting a future sealing and the physical return of Christ. The genuine elect today, although small in number, remain faithful and obedient to the true faith and way of Christ and the apostles.

Another scenario is that the sealed saints went through a spiritual, or physical event when they met with Christ (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). During the time of great persecution and destruction of Jerusalem, Christ fulfilled the imminent event that he prophesied and what Paul reiterated to the early ekklesia of what was to happen 'soon' of him coming back for them in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Did the early saints self-destruct into obscurity from within by conforming to false doctrine after the death of last apostle?

Did the early sealed saints meet with Christ as he came back for His elect during the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD?


One thing to consider, if you believe any of these events are plausible,

Are there any secular records of the disappearance of the first century saints?

If the Roman Catholic Church had any evidence, it would have been in their best interests to destroy, or suppress it from becoming common knowledge. The simple reason is that their counterfeit system called church would hold no legitimacy and be fatal to their ability to have power and control over the people.

One thing that clearly stands out is that the Scriptural evidence seems to refer directly to the saints of the first century about an imminent event that was 'soon' to take place that was to happen within their generation.

What do you think this imminent event was?

Are the first century saints who were sealed by the Holy Spirit part of the first fruits group?

Is it plausible that there are two people groups that John refers to in Revelation; those who have already been sealed in the first century and a great multitude that will be sealed in the future?

What is interesting to note is the past tense in the Scripture,

And I heard the number of those having been sealed: one hundred forty four thousands, having been sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel. – Revelation 7:4

And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel – Revelation 7:14

And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. – Ephesians 4:30

And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee. – 2 Corinthians 1:21-22

Does these above verses above apply to a past event that has already happened, or a future one also?

Does this following verse apply to believers today?

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb – Revelation 7:9

One thing that remains certain is that when reading Scripture is that many will apply certain verses to themselves when they may actually apply to a different people group.

In the case of this article, we must determine whether these Scripture verses used as evidence exclusively apply to the early saints, or if they have application to believers today.

In the modern church system, it is customary to believe that 'everything' in the Bible applies to the here and now. They just pick and choose verses that they want to apply in this age and discard the ones they don't want.

With that in mind, does anyone become a saint by reading about the saints?

When you read the Old and New Testament, who do the words you, your, we and one another apply to?

Do you automatically believe these verses apply directly to the reader today?

Have you ever thought that the words may apply to a people from a different time in history, as in the case of this article, about the first century saints?

We often have no problem saying that the Old Testament does not apply to our day and age, but have you ever considered that some of the New Testament may not apply either?

Before you get worked up on these questions, please keep in mind that this article was written to present a theory. There is no claim to infallibility, but to encourage discussion concerning how we view the Scriptures and how we apply them to our belief system. That is why there are so many diverse perspectives. Since there is only one correct interpretation, we must strive with the guidance of the Holy Spirit to come to the truth.

Almost two-thousand years later, the inspired voice of God is all summed up in his word. There is no new revelation. We must rely on and look back to the inspired historical accounts knowing that God has said all that He means to say. Since His purposes are not finished, we can continue to look forward to His leading and guidance till the consummation of all things.

Which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. - Ephesians 1:9-10

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      Thanks for your comment. God Bless.

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      Michael-Milec 3 years ago

      Simple way living the life of saints: We do follow His voice..

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      Thanks for your comments and adding to the discussion. I am glad to know there are other brothers and sisters out there who also give me encouragement and inspiration as well. I need it just as much.

      God Bless you and your family.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Pamela, It's amazing how these relevant verses you quoted are completely ignored by the churches of men. They love to ask, "What church do you go to?" so they no what name-brand you affiliate with. The "church" minded have no idea of their delusion.

      Our identity is simply in Jesus Christ as part of His ekklesia.

      God Bless.

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      Neil Braithwaite 3 years ago

      Aaron - Such a great point. I need to find my security in Christ and Him alone. Any other way invites compromise.

      "I am the way and the truth and the life!"

      Thanks for your encouragement and inspiration!


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      howtopam 3 years ago from Alberta, Canada

      Hi PlanksandNails;

      1 Corinthians 1:11-13

      "11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?"

      1 Timothy 5:22

      "22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure."

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      What I have come to learn over time is that "birds of a feather flock together." I myself have no associations whatsoever with any "church" entity. Most people are not really concerned whether you are a Christian, but who, or what you associate with. You have people that say I am from the Viola camp, or I am from the McArthur camp. In the end, it is never really about Jesus Christ, but some mere man's name instead. Most feel the most comfort associating with a religious brand-name.

      I had a woman the other day who I was serving ask me about my son's name because she saw his name tag and said his name sounded Biblical. She asked me if I was believer and I said yes. She asked me if I went to church, and I said no. I said that I was a Christian, but I did not go to church. She got this strange confused look on her face as she moved along the line. I could not dialogue with here further, but this is typical reaction of religious people and their associations with man named buildings called "church."

      This is where so many get it wrong. A true believers identity is simply in Jesus Christ and what He has done. It is not about the next religious celebrity who writes some "ground-breaking" book, or about programs, denominations and buildings. It is not about our name, but all about glorifying His name.

      Every believer has access to the same truth via the same Holy Spirit, but somehow some believe that they are of greater value associating with a prestigious religious brand-name. Jesus Christ is not a brand name, or a product of commerce. The religious celebrity always has followers that follow them, rather than Jesus Christ.

      You are right, ego is a trap and Satan loves to stroke it to make us feel good about ourselves. This eventually leads to compromise and then outright apostasy. Satan loves to mix truth with lies.

      With that said, I have heard of John Zens and have read some of his stuff and watched him on YouTube. There are some things that I fully agree with and other things that I would question. We just have to do our due diligence before we attempt to put our stamp of approval on any fallible man. I have had to purge many books that I once had in my library for this reason. That is where discernment comes into play when the Holy Spirit reveals the truth from the lies. In the end, anyone can offer up their religious opinion, but if it is not backed up with Scripture, how can we be sure what anyone is saying is true?

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      Neil Braithwaite 3 years ago

      Aaron -

      I spent several hours researching Viola's collective of cohorts last night. I was amazed that so many seemingly intelligent people who profess Christ find that the simplicity of the gospel message isn't enough for them. I'm convinced that these men are driven by a selfish desire to be "known" and exalted by men as being enlightened with some sort of special spiritual anointing.

      It's obvious that it's not enough for them to point out error in the Ekklesia, and they are not content to be watchful servants over scriptural doctrine. They have fallen into Satan's most effective trap - egoism.

      I see Satan using believers like Viola and the "Emerging church" movement as targets of the corporate church to down-play and discredit the true Ekklesia movement.

      Have you seen this website? It's an off-shoot of a Baptist church. I can see how the Baptists will use this as propaganda against those like us who use scripture to point out error in the Ekklesia. If they can get the majority of those trapped in corporate church to group us together with Viola and the Emergents, it will prove problematic in getting our message out.

      What do you know of Jon Zens? I've not read much of his material, but I know he is friends with Viola.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      I believe that article sums up Frank Viola in these words,

      "His manner of being all things to all men is noticeable. To the emergent he is emergent, to evangelicals he is evangelical and to the organic he is organic, to the contemplative he is contemplative. When dealing with or dialoguing with any particular group or movement he will address himself to them as being one of them yet separate from them."

      My brother-in-law is a delusional emergent church leader. They are simply religious chameleons.

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      Neil Braithwaite 3 years ago

      Aaron - Great article on Frank Viola.

      I have the same concerns with Viola. It's a shame because he seemed to be on the right path about corporate church. But the more I read of his the more I saw a man who wanted to have it both ways. In the sense that he was more concerned with marketing his works and making a name for himself in the current literary world.

      I made some critical comments on one of his email updates and went round and round with his "gatekeeper." It got pretty interesting and even led to Frank posting an "update" to address the issue. The interesting thing was, the gatekeeper told me clearly that the issue I brought up (Selling and marketing the gospel via books, etc.) has only been addressed by a couple of people over the last 10 years. So I asked, if that was the case, why the new post by Frank reiterating his views on the issue? I never got another response from the gatekeeper.

      I've been in sales and marketing for almost 40 years so it's not so hard to identify when someone has self-serving motives. And both Viola and his gatekeeper are masters of double-speak.

      I have decided, as a matter of conscience, to take down all links to Viola's works from my blog.

      Thanks again for the article link. It was quite a read.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      I have read stuff from Frank Viola and I agree with some of the things he writes; however, he never out rightly says that the church system is a bad thing. In one of his quotes he says, "Again, God uses the institutional church. And I’d never try to talk someone into leaving it."

      To the contrary, my belief is that God does not use the counterfeit church system at all. Satan does, and it is of utmost importance to appeal to the "church" minded to leave the counterfeit harlot system.

      Frank Viola also adheres to the ecumenical emergent church ideologies, which I am directly opposed to and also the mystical "worship" practices such as contemplative/centring prayers. He also co-wrote a book with popular emergent church leader Leonard Sweet.

      Here is an a link to an article that clarifies this in more detail.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Thanks Graceinus, I agree.

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      Neil Braithwaite 3 years ago

      Aaron -

      Have you read anything by Frank Viola? If you have, I'd be interested in knowing what you think?

      One of his articles:



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      graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

      PandN- I believe the key word you hit upon here in your recent or above comment is " discernment." Those of churches have no discernment given by the Spirit of God. And I believe this is one of the difference between those of churches and those of the ekklesia. Those of churches lack the ability to discern truth from falsehood.

      1 Corinthians 2:13-14 (NKJV) states: 13 These things we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

      I believe this is one of their greatist problems as long as their anti-christ way of thinking continues, then they'll remain planted in their "churches".

      God bless PandN.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      The working of Satan's Kingdom is intensifying in these days. This manifestation is most prominent within churches; their product is a counterfeit "gospel." One mark of the the antichrist spirit is that these people do not deny God's existence, but claim to be His representatives while denying the work of the Holy Spirit.

      Unfortunately, many are too afraid to rock their boat and poke holes in it. They do not have the courage to stand on truth. They are lulled into believing that we must all get along and believe the biggest lie in "Churchianity," which is to not judge. The paradox is that those who are labeled "rebellious" and "unteachable" are the ekklesia tackling the antichrist spirit head on by the power of the Holy Spirit. They know the game they play and refute it with truth.

      Church minions leave their brains, wisdom and common sense at the door. In contrast, the Holy Spirit has already dealt with the mind of the true saint. That is the difference between the religious and a holy person.

      I know these type of brazen religious people who are fornicators drunkards and wife abusers who lead "worship" on Sunday upon the podiums of men believing that they are gaining righteousness by their works in front of an audience. They raise their hands and praise Jesus' name, but they are simply workers of iniquity. There is nothing the brazen religious mind won't do to protect their glossy image. These people's entourage are their church because every pew warmer has left their brain at the door.

      The ekklesia understand that the churches of men are driven by a proud demonic religious agenda. I believe it won't be until we see the ekklesia starting to poke holes in the kingdom of Satan by the power of the Holy Spirit that "miracle-type" manifestation start occurring again.

      I believe it is of utmost importance that the gospel of the kingdom include warnings about false teachings just as Jesus did. Antichrist is often confused with direct opposition, but it is more accurately defined as replacing, or standing against. For example, "church unity" is the antichrist replacement of being in one accord with Jesus Christ. "Walking in love" is the antichrist replacement of walking in truth. "Goodness" is the antichrist replacement of holiness. "Emotions and feelings" are the antichrist replacement of discernment.

      We must contend against those who hold to an illegitimate, religious, earthly man-made authority with the One who has authority in both heaven and earth.

      Once the veil is taken away from a truly changed mind, the truly converted will be astonished to realize that they did not notice the spirit of the antichrist was in full operation right in front of their eyes.

      A saint with a renewed mind, operating under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, armed with the Word of God is an unstoppable force. My hope is that when more and more start believing this, we will see the testament of the first century saints happening within the 21st century.

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      Neil Braithwaite 3 years ago

      Aaron -

      My family is currently using a devotional that is taking us through the OT in chronological order. It's amazing the times God's people (Usually following their leaders) chose not only to turn away from God, but turned to idols! God did not abandon His people, nor did he rescind His promises to them, He simply left them to their own desires and devices, making Himself available to them only when THEY decided in their hearts to seek Him again.

      It's the same thing happening today with the Ekklesia. God has not abandon the Ekklesia, nor has he rescinded his promises to His children, he has simply left them to their own desires, and he will make Himself available to them only when THEY decided in their hearts to seek Him again.

      I'm certain the reason we don't see miracle-type manifestations of the Holy Spirit today is because the vast majority of professing Christians have decided to live under their own means and power, with any other way seen as a sign of weakness. Unfortunately, most Christians live only by the first part of the Philippians 4:13 - "I can do all things..." They leave off "through Christ who strengthens me," leaving God no alternative than to stay out of their lives.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      You make a great point. The churches of men have suffocated the power of the Holy Spirit in people. The corporate church minions are duped into glossy-eyed hyped religious experiences that have absolutely nothing to do with the Holy Spirit.

      There still are a remnant today who desire to walk the narrow way who are led by the Holy Spirit.

      When the Holy Spirit gives us a new set of eyes, it can sometimes be overwhelming the constant fight we must face, but He still gives us strength to carry on.

      I can honestly say that I do not see the same signs and wonders happening today as attested by the early ekklesia, but I will not lose faith knowing that His grace is sufficient. I am encouraged that there are other brothers and sisters in Christ, although I am finding they are few, that are using the gifts God has given them to spread the genuine Gospel message and encouraging others no matter what the cost.

      When I look back at the counterfeit harlot system that I came out of, I realise that was a huge miracle in itself to come to that revelation. I believe that anyone who comes to the same realization by heeding the call will spiritually mature exponentially. I see this among my fellow brothers and sisters who are of the same mind.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      You are right, as we mature in Jesus Christ, it will manifest in faithfully using the spiritual gifts God has given us. Unfortunately, most do not use their gifts , and most do not use them at all, or misuse them within the man-driven church system.

      The importance of maturity leads to spiritual wealth as we invest in His Kingdom. God wants us to use our talents that will manifest in good works.

      God Bless.

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      Neil Braithwaite 3 years ago

      Aaron -

      I believe you are making more out of this than there actually is.

      Given that it's been over two thousand years since Jesus laid the foundation of the Ekklesia, and the history we have of the people of the nation of Israel, it's not to hard to understand how the doctrines of man have so corrupted the Ekklesia that it bears almost no resemblance to the biblical model.

      As believers, we are still sealed with the Holy Spirit and God's elect saints. The same power is in us that was in those in the beginning. Unfortunately, the vast majority have stifled that power by associating themselves with the harlot corporate church. Those would be what I call Christian posers; the ones of whom Jesus will say "I never knew you."

      God's power through the Holy Spirit can only be accessed by true believers that totally give themselves to Him. And as you point out in your piece, that power is rarely ever manifested these days.

      The road to destruction is WIDE, and the way to glory is NARROW, and FEW will choose to take the narrow way.

      Just because you can't see much evidence of something doesn't mean that something doesn't exist.

      Pray for His power, His wisdom and understanding, and have the faith of a mustard seed and I believe we CAN still move a mountain!

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      Benjamin Maxwell 3 years ago from Kingdom of God

      Hi PlanksandNails;

      The forsaking of it "all" to become fully mature in the Holy Spirit what does that truly mean? The best example that I can reference here is the parable of Christ Jesus about the talents. Matthew 25:14-30. The talent represents the Holy Ghost and clearly highlights the importance of growing in the Spirit. No matter how much of the Spirit a believer has they are commanded by Christ Jesus to increase in their Spirituality - growing towards becoming the express image of Christ Jesus Himself. This is known as the regeneration process and the decreasing of the "self" so that He (Christ Jesus) may increase within the Holy Temple (the fleshly body) of the believer. The carnality of the believer is to DIE along with ALL of it fleshly desires (lusts for the things of this current world). As Jesus commanded in each of the seven letters to the seven churches in the book of Revelations: "to he that (overcometh)."

      Luke 14:33

      "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."

      Now getting back to the initial question about the "sealing" of the saints. We see clearly from the Holy Scriptures the message that the sealing of a believer is the "infilling of the Holy Ghost", but after that there is necessary "Spiritual growth." Without the willful and obedient overcoming of the carnal lust for thee things of this natural world the Holy Spirit remains but a child in the things of our Lord - and has very little "power." It is my conclusion that the "Sealed Saints" are still empowered by the Holy Spirit today and "greatly empowered" once they have become "fully" mature - but who is a faithful believer that has laid down their life "completely" for our Lord Jesus Christ?

      Matthew 16:25

      "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it."

      It has been great discussing this topic with you PandN. We could continue on this topic for a lifetime, but talk is completely useless; we must go on to live it.

      Thank you for your contributions.


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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      share the Word,

      I appreciate your testimony as I can totally relate to your experiences within "Churchianity." It wasn't until I totally abandoned the carnal traditions of men that I could be in a place to mature and grow in Jesus Christ by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, rather than through some salaried-to-serve hireling.

      Once we abandon man's system, the religious voices and double mindedness disappears to the discernment of the voice of the one true Shepherd. I am pleased to meet more representatives and citizens of the Kingdom of God.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      I believe that there were certain spiritual gifts that were given to the early saints. When the chronology of Paul's letters are put into proper chronological order, it is evident that the sign gifts first given to them by the Holy Spirit ended at the end of Acts.

      I believe that this is the reason we do not see these things that were attested during the first century happening among the ekklesia today. This is clearly evident when one comes to the truth of the proper chronology of Paul's letters written to the early ekklesia.

      The book of Acts parallels Galatians, Thessalonians, Corinthians and Romans. At the end of Acts, the chronology moves to the prison letters of Paul, which are: Ephesians. Colossians, Philemon, Philippians, Titus, and Timothy.

      When Scripture is read in this order, it is clear that the sign gifts were operating among the early ekklesia until the prison epistles, but then there is no more mention of functioning in these gifts. I believe when one looks at the history of the early ekklesia in the proper chronology of the consecutive events that took place, the truth becomes more clear, rather than reading it in its disjointed fashion in most Bibles. If we don't understand the chronology, then we will have no confusion of understanding what God intends for the basis and practice of the faith for His people today.

      I think many assume that the New Testament follows a proper chronology, but it doesn't. It follows that pattern of men who make up their own according to their own desires. The NT was arranged during the Middle Ages, which mostly consists of the longest works at the beginning and the shorter ones at the end.

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      Benjamin Maxwell 3 years ago from Kingdom of God

      Hi PlanksandNails;

      Many proclaiming Christians today may not even Spirit filled vessels and many who are Spirit filled may be "grieving the Holy Ghost."

      Unfortunately many are deceived by churchianity and being led like sheep to the slaughter. I also was once a victim of the popular churchianity teachings "Only believe on His name and you will be saved." [I now FEAR that there is a little bit MORE required in becoming a faithful believer than that.]

      Luke 14:33

      "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."

      From such popular teachings of churchianity as a young person I thought that I was saved - but I was not! It was not until later in my mid life when my heart led me to search the Holy Scriptures out for myself that I realized that I had been deceived. [I believed on the Lord's name, but I did NOTHING to decrease myself so that He may increase in me]. I give thanks to God in heaven always that it was not too late for me to learn the truth and that I did not parish from this earth in my sin unsaved. Salvation is an invaluable gift from God which I am willing to give up ALL THAT I HAVE to obtain. I quickly repented of my sins and invited the Lord to come and dwell within my heart and He has filled with His Holy Spirit [sealed me] given me STRENGTH to overcome the things of the world which I carnally lusted after. Now for the past 15 years I have perpetually learned obedience from the things that I have suffered. Growing in the Spirit is a marvelous wonder.

      Like myself how many believers are deceived and not Spirit filled and how many of the Spirit filled Christians are hearing only, but NOT doing and growing? Jesus warns us about being Spirit filled and not growing in Matthew 25:14-30. The message of Christ Jesus is quite clear [once filled with the Holy Spirit there must be Spiritual growth.] Spiritual growth comes through the hearing of the Word and the doing of the things that are heard. Through this process the self in a believer decreases and the believer is slowly transformed into the likeness of the image of Christ Jesus. The fullness of the POWER of the SEALED believer comes when the transformation is complete - when a believer has overcome the world [their carnal nature] just as Christ Jesus Himself as done. Unfortunately, not too many believers and willing to completely come out of the world - they desire to fulfill their carnal lusts and desires and have God also. But it is written:

      Matthew 6:24

      "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

      Will our Lord fully empower those who are not willing to lay down their lives for Him - to sacrifice all their carnal desires together with their carnality and nail it to the cross to complete the born again process, living solely by faith in Him?

      John 12:24-26

      "24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. 25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. 26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour."

      I see you have great understanding in the things of God PaN and I believe that you are fully aware of everything talked about in this discussion so I do not feel the need to present numerous scriptural examples to support the things that I am saying. I will limit my examples only to give a general idea of what is written in the Word by the Word.

      Neither length of time nor space of your comment section would suffice to tell are things about Christ. But this one thing we can be absolutely certain about - if the Sealed in Christ Jesus today are to be given the power of the original first century apostles then they too must overcome this current world by forsaking all and faithfully following Him.

      We will continue on about the forsaking of "all" and the faithfully following of Him in our next session.

      Have a great day PaN.


      AKA howtopam

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      graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

      PandN- I believe the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a same for us today as it was for the early ekklesia, However, I also believe that their understanding of the Kingdom was for greater than our understanding today. We must understand that they where tough by One who had first hand knowledge of what the Kingdom of Heaven is like and first hand witness of the healings by Jesus Christ. As for us today, we can only imagine what it was like. Therefore their faith in their abilities to heal by the power through Christ left them no doubt. Even for a christian, today,we sometime find it hard to believe if or when a miracles has truly happened. We sometime, if not most, doubt the abilities given to us through Christ Jesus. And when there is even the smallest of doubt, then "miracles" (good works) will not and can not happen. Those of the ekklesia must not have doubt. I believe this is the difference in those who are sealed. They lack any degree of doubt just like those of the early ekklesia (Saints) and Jesus Himself. I believe the same abilities still exist today, but those who truly have it are very, very few.

      Also, I do not believe the early ekklesia concidered their good works of healing as miracles. Because they where all spirit minded, they where not limited because it was not through the five senses that lead them to believe. Spirit minded removes the limits placed on us by our five senses. Carnel mind only trusts what can be determined or identified through the five senses. When something supernateral happens that the carnel mind can not understand, we then brand it as a miracle, such as complete healing as an example. But for those of the spirit mind, they see it as good works.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      I agree that we are to spread the gospel of the kingdom just as the disciples were commissioned to do.

      And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. - Matthew 10:7

      When we read this verse, we must ask ourselves are these miracles happening in our lives today?

      Are you raising people from the dead and cleansing lepers etc..?

      The reason that I am asking these questions is that I do not seeing these miracles happening anywhere among believers. As I had mentioned in this article, the continuation of the early saints seems to have come to an abrupt halt in the first century.

      We know that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit comes at conversion, but it is important to mention that there was also an event that took place among the early saints.

      And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” - Acts 1:4-5

      But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” - Acts 1:8

      When I had mentioned the "sealing" that this may have been exclusive to the early saints; otherwise, we would be seeing all the great signs and wonders and miracles happening the same manner as in day of Jesus and the Apostles. (Ephesians 1:13, 4:30; 2 Corinthians 1:21-22)

      The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the same for all believers, but it seems that no one does miracles like those among the early ekklesia.

      I'm wondering if there may be a connection with what is called the "sealing."

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      graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

      PandN- Finally I have time to make my comment.

      I do believe the ekklesia has a commission to spread the gospel of the Kingdom of God. These early "saints", who were the first of the ekklesia, had followed Jesus Christ throughout the three and half years of His ministry. There is no doubt these saints were first disciples of Jesus Christ during the three and ahalf years of His ministry. It was during this time these disciple learned from Jesus the concept and understanding of the Kingdom of God through His teachings. Jesus described throughout the Book of John that He came to do the works that He was commanded to do by His Father. This is noted in John 17: 4 (NKJV) which states: 4 I have glorified you on the earth. I have finished the WORK you have given Me to do.

      The main works Jesus Christ was given to do was to spread the gospel of the Kingdom. Which, if you read the whole chapter of John 17, you will see that the works would continue through the ekklesia if you understand the context of the rest of the chapter. I believe the works of spreading the gospel of the Kingdom fell on the disciple after the death of Jesus Christ. And Jesus gave has power and authority to continue this works. Not only did the early ekklesia received the authority to spread the gospel of the Kingdom, but also power to heal the sick, cleanes the leper and so on as noted in a number of cases throughout the New Testament by the early Apostles. I believe that healing was very closely tied to the Kingdom.

      Many of the statements made by Jesus and noted in other verses ties, the Kingdom message and healing sickness, together. The following are some of the examples: Matthew 2:23, Matthew 9: 35, Matthew 10: 7-8, Luke 9:2, these are just a few and a number more are out there.

      It is further said about the disciples they were given power to heal in Mark 3: 14-15(NKJV) whiich states: 14 Then He appointed the twelve, they them might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach. and to have POWER to heal the sicknesses and to cast out demons.

      All of this, I believe, is tied to the Kingdom teachings of Jesus. By the time of Jesus death on the cross the foundation of the ekklesia had be set. The Apostles who had follow Jesus as disciple now had the authority and power through Christ to carry on with the works that was now their responsibility. It is my opinion that this same power and authurity that the apostles had, is now the same authority and power we have today to spread the gospel of the Kingdom through Christ Jesus. Those who have the knowledge, now, as the apostles did, are the ekklesia and need to continue the work.

      I believe the sealing of the Saints are upon those who clearly demonstrate their works toward the spreading of the gospel of the Kingdom. Their works are the revealing to others of God and His Kingdom just like Jesus did during His ministry.

      All of this I have stated above is not the main focus of the modern churches we see to day. Their works has a personal agenda. And they will be judge by it. Which is carefully noted in Revelation 20: 12_13 (NKJV) which states: 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and the books were opened. And another book was opened, which was the Bookof Life. And the dead were judged according to their WORKS, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delievered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his WORKS.

      God bless you PandN

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      Yes, part of the Holy Spirit indwelling in the believer is the process of growing into maturity.

      For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. – Hebrews 5:12-14

      Someone who remains immature is susceptible to being led astray from the principles of the faith because they do not have the discernment of knowing good and evil. Modern "Churchianity" is a man-made religion that calls evil good and good evil. Their churches are filled with people who never grow or develop into followers of Jesus Christ who are led by the Holy Spirit because they desire to follow men instead.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      You have a good point on "works," but how do we define what they are? When you have time, your comments are always appreciated.

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      Benjamin Maxwell 3 years ago from Kingdom of God

      Hi PlanksandNails;

      To begin our examination of growing in the Spirit or becoming Spiritually mature we will first take a look at the words of our Lord Christ Jesus pertaining to what happens after the Holy Spirit is received in the convert.

      John 14:16-17

      "16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

      By this passage we can clearly see that the Holy Spirit is received by the convert and dwells within their being. Next we will look at exactly what the Holy Spirit is to do once residing in the human vessel of the convert who is now the temple of the Holy Ghost.

      John 16:12-15

      "12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

      Now in the following passage we can clearly see that to avoid falling victim and being lead astray by "seducers" false teachers the convert must rely solely on the guidance and teaching of the Holy Ghost that dwells within.

      John 2:26-27

      "26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

      In the next verses we see that the faithful believers are to continuously be led by the Holy Spirit that dwells within.

      John 2:28-29

      "28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him."

      Through the above passages of the Word we have seen that a believer is to be filled with the Holy Spirit and then abide in the teachings of the Holy Spirit continuously until our Lord's coming. It is through this practice of being led by the Spirit that the convert grows on to Spiritual maturity as the physical child grows to be an adult. For our Lord Christ Jesus said - except one be born again of Spirit and become as a little child they cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

      John 3:3

      "3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

      Matthew 18:1-4

      "At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

      2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

      Being led by the Holy Spirit in the beginning of the born again experience for the Spiritual child of God is not easy. As the physical child must struggle over many obstacles to grow into adulthood so must the born again child of God strive to overcome their worldly desires in an effort to become obedient to the will of the Lord. Just as the physical child stumbles and falls while learning to walk the Spirit filled child of God will learn obedience from the things that they suffer. As the physical child eventually not only learns to walk but to run as well so the born again child of God learns to do the will of God without difficulty. When the entire will of God becomes the desired nature of the faithful child of God that Spirit within the convert has grown into maturity.

      In our next session we will examine just why some Spirit filled Christians do not ever experience the power of the Holy Spirit that dwells within them.

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      Benjamin Maxwell 3 years ago from Kingdom of God

      Hi PlanksandNails;

      I prefer to use the KJV for my record of scriptures, but some other translations, for those who prefer, are relatively close in comparison.

      Previously we learned from OT prophecies that the new covenant promises were offered to both Jew and Gentile - to ALL from generation to generation once institutes by the resurrection of our Lord Christ Jesus.

      Now examining the words of Jesus in

      John 14:15-17.

      "15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

      16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

      17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

      We can see from the above scripture passage that there is a requirement to being filled with the Holy Spirit. To LOVE the Lord Jesus and a testimony of that love in a person is the keeping of the Lord's commandments. Now Jesus being part of the Holy Trinity is referring to the fulling of the first and greatest commandment when He speaks of love. "Thou shalt love thy Lord God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy strength and with all thy mind." This kind of love is unforegined - nothing comes above this type of love for God and His Christ. Those who possess such powerful love for Christ Jesus can pray to God in Jesus's name and God will send the Holy Spirit to dwell within them, making their body the temple of the Holy Ghost. But the keeping of the first and greatest commandment is a prerequisite that must be vividly evident through the actions of the believer by the sincerity within their heart before the request for the infilling of the Holy Spirit will be granted by God.

      We can see in John 14:23-24 that those who do not LOVE Jesus enough to keep His saying cannot be partakers of the infilling of the Holy Ghost.

      "23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."

      NOTE: This does not include those who once loved the Lord Jesus and were filled with the Holy Spirit, but have since, for the cares of this current world, fallen away. Such believers will be judged harshly by the Lord on His coming.

      We see in Luke 9:62 "And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."

      There are many words spoken by Jesus that validate His necessary requirements for becoming a faithful believer - a convert. But after becoming a Spirit filled Christian, a convert, that Spirit must grow on to maturity within those who have been converted. Next we will examine being led of the Spirit to become a Spiritually mature believer.

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      graceinus 3 years ago from those of the Ekklesia

      PandN- Great Article. I have much more to say, but not enouh time right now to say it. I will comment later. In short, however I do believe we can do good works like Jesus said we can. More later.

      God bless.

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      Benjamin Maxwell 3 years ago from Kingdom of God

      Hi PlanksandNails;

      Leaving the OT behind now that we have established that the new covenant promises are clearly offered to all, we will attempt to examine the words of our Lord Christ Jesus in an effort to discover just what the infilling of the Holy Spirit truly meant. Afterwards we will attempt to look for any evidence in the words of Jesus as to whether that phenomena has actually changed or still remains the same. I will open the examination in my following comment.

      Thanks for engaging in discussions.

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      PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ


      Thanks for adding to the discussion.

      Many people have a hard time believing that they do not need to keep some of God’s laws, but Scripture makes it clear that some are now obsolete. It is important to understand that the different covenants of God are grouped in laws. Most of the OT is built upon the old covenant laws that do not apply to NT believers who are under the new covenant that was foreshadowed to come in the OT.

      Jesus Christ is now the mediator who would be the new covenant for all who call on His name.

      For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. - Romans 10:12

      Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. - Hebrews 9:1

      It is interesting how this above verse represents the system of the churches of men. Since the old covenant is obsolete, that would mean that counterfeit system of church would fall into the same category.

      In the new covenant, the ekklesia are the tabernacles of the Holy Spirit who are not bound to the regulations of the old covenant.

      In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. - Hebrews 8:13

      The natural tangible things that were used by God in the old covenant were symbolic of the spiritual nature of the the things that would come in new covenant that brought the power and manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

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      Benjamin Maxwell 3 years ago from Kingdom of God

      Hi PlanksandNails;

      I would like to open our discussion first bringing to remembrance the fact that the old testament Scriptures are "types and shadows" of things that were to come. They are events portrayed in the lives of natural men and women that depicted the workings of God through the use of items familiar to mankind but symbolically represented a deeper Spiritual relevance.

      Hebrews 10:1

      "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect."

      Colossians 2:17

      "Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

      Secondly I would like to bring into our discussion the prophecies of the testament prophets which foretold of the coming of the "new covenant." These prophecies should provide us with an indication as to who the new covenant would apply to.

      Joel 3:20 - 21

      "20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.

      21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the Lord dwelleth in Zion."

      Psalm 145:13

      "Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations."

      Isaiah 65:1

      "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me. I said, ‘Here am I, here am I,’ a nation which did not call on My name."

      Amos 9:11-12

      "‘After these things I will return, and I will rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen, and I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, in order that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by My name,’ says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old."

      These old testament prophecies clearly show that the "new covenant" is offered to everyone from generation to generation - forever. We can see from this next scripture that God does not change.

      Malachi 3:6

      "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."

      In our next discussion we will attempt to look at why the power of the Holy Ghost had a greater effect on the first century believers.

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      Benjamin Maxwell 3 years ago from Kingdom of God

      Hi PlanksandNails;

      Great question to raise! The answers that you seek cannot be easily discussed in a brief summation. I am excited that you understand the depth in which one must dig into the Scriptures to uncover the truth reliably. The answer is clearly evident, but that evidence must be brought forth for full examination. Having said that I am willing to contribute to your open discussion which will require some time as we examine the particular Scriptures and the popular interpretations that are in existence today. Before we begin let me say: I totally agree with your position on churchianity as presented in your other articles so we will not be utilizing any of the churchianity interpretations in support of our quest for answers to your questions. Such an examination requires delving below the surface milk into the real meat of the Holy Scriptures and is only possible through the aid of the Holy Spirit within the more Spiritually mature believers. I will open discussions soon in my next comment.