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The Trinity Doctrine does not Add Up

Updated on January 9, 2018
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The Trinity doctrine is a firm belief held by Christians who partake of the institutional church system and their man-made creeds. As they go out in the world to witness their version of who God is, many do not scrutinize their dogma for what it is. The point of this article is to examine more closely the explanations of those who partake of the incomprehensible mystery of the Trinity.

Fully God and Fully Man

One of the more notable explanations is that they believe that Jesus is 100% man and 100% God. Right here, there incomprehensibility is found in their illogical statement as common sense wold dictate that 100% of one thing is complete. 100% of one thing and 100% of the other would make two separate beings as there is no such thing as being 100% percent one thing and 100% of another at the same time. Trinitarians believe that Jesus was deity in the flesh; however, this would mean two separate and completely different beings if they believe he was a man also.

The Spoken Plan of God

Often, many supposed ‘proof’ texts are quoted in claims that Jesus is God.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word [logos] was God. – John 1:1

And the Word [logos] became flesh and dwelt among us. – John 1:14

The claim is that God = the word = Jesus

What many fail to consider is that Christ spoke the word [logos, 3056] and spoke about what the words [logos] he received from his Father many times. There would be no point to speak what he received concerning the word of God if he was God.

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands--this is the Word [logos] of life. - 1 John 1:1

So He said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word [logos], you are truly My disciples. - John 8:31

The word [logos] that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me. - John 14:24

If we suppose Jesus is God as Trinitarians do, did Christ know he was speaking of himself as God?

Maybe Christ did not know he was God and found out later. The problem is that Christ did not know everything as God does.

A Simple Experiment

The foundation of the Trinitarian faith is a mystery that requires using unscriptural terms and illogical math to come to their conclusions.

For example, they will say that the Trinity is a ‘hypostatic union.’

However, a simple empirical test can be done to see whether the phrase 'hypostatic union' is possible.

  1. Try to fill one glass (100%) with milk up to the brim.
  2. Then try filling that very same glass with an equal amount (100%) of water.
  3. After you clean up the mess that you have made, take another glass and fill it 50% with milk and then add 50% water to the same glass bringing the glass to 100% full.
  4. Then think about whether it is possible to have both 100% of one thing and 100% of the other in one vessel at the same time.

The result of the experiment should conclude that when one liquid is diminished or elevated, it is impossible to be 100% full with both liquids at 100% at the same time in one vessel. It would be illogical, a contradiction of substance and just plain nonsensical to say otherwise.

Three God the Fathers

Trinitarians will insist they only believe there is one God, but with critical examination of their claims, it shows that they really believe in three 'God the Fathers.'

1. God the Father
2. The Holy Spirit who fathered baby Jesus
3. Jesus Himself

We read in Scripture that Jesus was fathered by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit begat Jesus as the third person of the Trinity. Right here, we have a situation where Trinitarians believe that this person begat and fathered baby Jesus. This would make the Holy Spirit the Father, not God the Father.

Furthermore, Trinitarians interpret Isaiah 9:6 to be describing Jesus as God. Because the name given to this child is 'Mighty God' and 'Eternal Father,' they believe Jesus is ‘Mighty God’ who is not God the Father, but another Father.

In the Trinitarian mind, there will be an insistence that each of them are Fathers in a 'different sense.' However, it doesn't matter because they still have three Fathers or God the Fathers as God since each one of these identities according to their belief are declared both God and Father.

If we were to throw out man-made religious creeds and listen to what Christ taught his disciples, we would know that he taught them that they only had one Father who was in heaven.

And call no one your father on the earth; for One is your Father, who is in heaven. – Matthew 23:9

See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. - Deuteronomy 32:39

Have we not one Father? Has not one God created us? - Malachi 2:10

Again, The Trinitarian math does not add up.

Trinitarians will define ‘Godhead’ as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as equal, but separate parts of the triune God. The fact is, 'Godhead' simply means 'divine.' In the KJV, ‘Godhead’ is only found three times. However, a simple look at the word in the Greek means ‘divine, not Trinity as translated in many other versions of Scripture.

According to proper use of elementary math principles, 1+1+1= 3

The Trinitarian will counter and say, '1x1x1=1' to describe how the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all one forming the Trinity. However, they do not understand the principles of multiplication in their equation.

This following video explains how Trinitarian math is not possible.

The Trinitarian must resort to trickery and deception in an attempt to explain something that they admit they cannot understand. The following is an analogy of their deceptions.

Joe asked a Trinitarian for five dollars. He responded, 'I don’t have five dollars.' However, Joe noticed that he was holding a five-dollar bill in his hand.

He then questioned the Trinitarian and asked, 'Why did you lie to me?'

The Trinitarian replied, 'When I said I didn’t have five dollars, I meant that in my right hand I did not have it. However, it is true that in my left hand I did have five dollars.'

Joe responded, 'Either you have five dollars or not.

How can you have and not have five dollars at the same time?'

Contradictions

Trinitarians like to say that God came down to earth and became a God-man to relate to His people. Yet, on the other side of their mouth they will say we cannot fully understand God according to their dogma.

If you can’t understand who God is according to your own doctrine that promotes itself as a religion, then what type of relationship would that be?

This is a contradiction.

Another contradiction is that Christ was dead and then proceeded to raise himself up from the dead. Or, Jesus is God then died.

Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man - Romans 1:22-23

If someone is truly dead, then how could they be conscious enough to raise themselves up?

If one is conscious in raising themselves from the dead, then that person was not really dead at all.

Of course, the Trinitarian will say that the human part of Jesus died and the God part raised him from the dead. If that is the case, then Jesus is not one being, but two separate beings.

The Trinitarian math does not add up and has too many inconsistencies.

Trinity Doctrine negates Sonship

God’s promise to us is all about sonship and the resurrection. If Jesus is God, we cannot claim brotherhood with him. Christ had to be a man to be the evidence of eternal life for us; otherwise, it would be impossible to love God the same way he did.

For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. - 1 Corinthians 15:21

But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name. - John 1:12

It also would make us rely on Jesus only for the forgiveness of sins. This same forgiveness could be obtained from the sacrifices of bulls and goats from the old covenant. That would make his sacrifice in vain other than saving the lives of thousands and thousands of animals. Christ’s resurrection is not only about obtaining forgiveness of sins, but also having victory over them. This was the fulfillment of the Passover Lamb.

In Trinitarian doctrine, the belief is that only Christ could only be righteous because he is God. Ultimately, this means that he died in vain.

If you believe that Christ could only be righteous because he is God, then your Christ died in vain nullifying his true purpose on the cross and the genuine Gospel message.

The purpose of Christ’s blood was to bring us into true righteous standing with our Father through the power of the Holy Spirit giving us the ability to walk in righteousness as Christ did as a man, not because he was a God-man.

Christ stated that those who followed him could also do the works that he did. If Christ was God, then we would supposedly be able do the works that God did making us as God. Obviously, we cannot be God.

Trinity dogma ultimately leads to only two conclusions. If you believe that Christ is God, then you will have to aspire to be as God. This is arrogance and pride.

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;

I will make myself like the Most High.’ - Isaiah 14:14

Or, if you believe that Christ is God, then you can never attain to be like Christ because 'he is God.' This is defeat.

That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” - John 8:24

Trinitarians supply the word 'God' after 'I am' in John 8:24 from their own imaginations from the dictates of their doctrine. The purpose of the Gospel is clearly stated in this following passage.

But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name. - John 20:31

In the book of Revelation, Christ does not say that the belief in him would grow and spread. The facts of history reveal that the largest religion in the world has killed and oppressed the scattered remnant throughout the world unless they submitted to the Trinity doctrine. What is called Christianity today is the largest religion in the world. It is certainly not a remnant.

The problem with most Trinitarians is that they refer to copious amounts of Scripture passages as supposed 'proof' texts, but give no explanation and think this somehow proves their doctrine. They put a passage of Scripture in isolation when the text(s) has nothing to do with their dogma at all. To ignore context is dangerous game.

Siding with Jesus' Accusers

For example, Trinitarians will appeal to the Pharisees as evidence that their testimony ‘proves’ that Jesus is God because they accused him of blasphemy of claiming to be equal with God. However, Jesus contradicted them in saying that he was not God, but that he was the Son of God.

Do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am Son of God’? – John10:36

The Pharisees were liars.
The Pharisees were liars.

I would be a liar like you. - John 8:55

Are we going to believe the lies of the Jews or the words of Christ who said, ‘I am the Son of God?’

Putting Things in Context

Jesus says to him, “Am I with you so long a time, and you have not known Me, Philip? The one having seen Me has seen the Father. – John 14:9

Further reading in the passage reveals the context of Christ’s words in that he was the reflection of the Father because the Father did his works through him.

…but the Father dwelling in Me does His works – John 14:10

When someone makes a habit of using spurious information to prove their points, it reveals that they have been severely indoctrinated and must resort to non-biblical terms when presenting their doctrine.

  • Deity in the flesh
  • Part God part man
  • 100% God 100% man
  • Triune hypostatic union
  • God the Son

It should be common sense that biblical doctrine uses biblical terms because it comes from Scripture, not from man-made creeds and Greek mythology.

When someone says ‘the man part died and the God part didn’t,’ you have to wonder where they got their notions from. In a desperate effort to try to ‘prove’ their doctrine, they resort to unbiblical terms and examples as 'evidence.'

The indoctrinated will say the Trinity is like an egg with a shell, egg white and yolk or like water in its three different states. What they fail to understand is that they are violating their own doctrine in their explanations and appealing to the supposed 'wisdom' of men outside of the pages of Scripture. When a yolk is removed from an egg only a partial egg remains. When water changes to ice, a portion of the water is gone. When God supposedly became Jesus a portion of God was no longer in heaven.

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit being the Trinity is not found in Scripture. The Son of God has been transposed to 'God the Son' to a title that is remote and radically alters who Jesus is. Also, 'God the Holy Spirit' as a title is not found in Scripture either. This is man’s redesign using non-biblical terms to form their own doctrines.

The Trinity is a mystery religion and most of the world has been beguiled by the doctrines of the harlot church system.

Paul the apostle spoke of a mystery revealed in Jesus, the Son of God and it has nothing to do with the Trinity mystery. It was about the inclusion of the Gentiles in God’s offer of sonship, the forgiveness of sin, having victory over sins and the coming of the Holy Spirit to guide those into all truth. This mystery was not about believing in an unsolvable puzzle.

Which, by reading, you are able to understand* my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as now it has been revealed* in the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets – Ephesians 3:4-5

To preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to illuminate* for everyone the stewardship of this mystery, which for ages past was hidden in God, who created all things. - Ephesians 3:8-9

Trinitarians must accept that they do not understand God. They often appeal to their clergy, a book or the latest religious celebrity if they cannot explain their mystery religion to others.

The truth is that the Trinity does not add up. Trinitarians won’t like it, but they have to concede that what they believe is an incomprehensible mystery. If they can’t understand who God is, then it follows they do not understand Christ because he is supposedly God also in their belief system.

How unfortunate as the Gospel message is all about understanding who Christ is. The plan of God through His Son is plain and simple and does not need the enigma of the Trinity to shroud God and His son into an incomprehensible mystery.

Never Understanding, Never Perceiving

Isaiah was commissioned to reveal truth the same type of people caught up in deception.

And he said, “Go, and say to this people: “‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand; keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’ – Isaiah 6:9

The truth will not be revealed to those who believe in the doctrines of the institutional church system, but to those who are the scattered remnant of God who are not guided by men, but by the Holy Spirit.They are the called-out ones because they do not partake of the Catholic Church and all her harlot daughters.

Those who have come out of the institutional church system must shed all the baggage comes with it. This takes time, especially those who have been conditioned in the Catholic Trinity doctrine. We must allow the Holy Spirit to guide us into the truth and not appeal to the things found within the man-made religious four-walls.

The largest religion in the world is not a remnant and what is called 'Christianity' has no basis in Scripture in their actions and behaviours. Trinitarians even consider those who do not proclaim Jesus as God are going to hell. Again, there is no basis in Scripture for their unfounded statements. In their delusion, they have the audacity to say this while admitting that cannot understand God.

The Trinity is a theory made by man that ensures no one will understand God and His plans and purposes through His Son. Three does not equal one and one does not equal three. There is no God-man. Their concepts are anti-bible and antichrist. This is why they must appeal to their ‘wise’ creeds because they are are 'ever seeing, but never understanding and ever hearing, but never perceiving.'

At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. – Matthew 11:25

The purpose of Trinitarianism is the same today when it was pushed by Emperor Constantine in 325 AD. It is the religion of world domination with roots that go all the way back to ancient Babylon. The state of Rome made it law and anyone not accepting it were in violation of the law. The spirit of persecution is ripe within Trinitarian camps damning people to hell for not conforming to the mystery religion of the Trinity. They fail to understand that Christ is the one who judges both the living and the dead, not them.

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom - 2 Timothy 4:1

They like to remove and ostracize people who refuse to accept their dogma. History attests to those who were persecuted and killed by their governing religious authorities.

The facts are that Jesus clearly confirmed at different times who he was. The following text could not be more straightforward.

But Jesus was silent. Then the chief priest said to him, "Swear an oath in front of the living God and tell us, are you the Messiah, the Son of God?" Jesus answered him, "Yes, I am. - Matthew 26:63-64 GWT

The testimony of God is the same when He said,

‘This is my son who I love, listen to him - Matthew 17:5

Are you taking the testimony of God and His Son at face value, or are you believing in Catholic doctrine?

Do you believe the Trinity doctrine adds up?

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      Hayal Talmid 7 weeks ago

      This post is about the mark of the beast. In a previous post, I noted that the historians at

      https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/vc... https://www.quora.com/Were-Roman-soldiers-tattooed... https://www.quora.com/Did-Roman-soldiers-really-ha...

      are unsure about exactly what “national [Roman imperial] mark” the Roman military put on new recruits. Perhaps these historians really aren’t sure if they want to put in writing what they know. This week, anyway, I suddenly realized the answer to this question. The answer is simply the cross! I feel certain about this. I hope others will, too. In historical context, the cross meant that if you oppose Rome, you get crucified. Those who put this mark on themselves meant that they were among those who stood ready to crucify the enemies of Rome. For them, wearing the Christian crucifix signified the secret victory of Jupiter and the Roman trinity over Yehovah, His Son, and His people. The three arms, two horizontal and one vertical, on top of the cross stand for the Roman trinity, and the raising up of the three arms by the long bottom post (leg) of the cross stands for the imposition of trinitarian rule on all everywhere. As I have said elsewhere, this also is the secret meaning of the American and other Masonic flags of nations, the Washington Monument, Statue of Liberty, Masonic logos of businesses, etc. The Latin ROMA is AMOR spelled backwards. AMOR means love. Spelling AMOR backwards stands for the opposite of love. That’s what the Roman Empire is all about. God is love (I John 4:8). Satan is the enemy or opposite of God. Historians sometimes reveal that the name ROMA has a secret meaning, which is that the Roman Empire is the empire of the enemy of Yehovah, His Word, and His people. When the Romans succeed in getting people to wear crosses, they rejoice because they drive another wedge between Yehovah and people and because they produce another inhabitant of perdition.

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      Hayal Talmid 7 weeks ago

      The link in my previous post still doesn't work, but I figured out why. It should be https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/What-is-t...

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      Hayal Talmid 7 weeks ago

      This post corrects my post below, which begins: 'I did read your article on Rev 13, as you asked, including some of the debate below it....' The fourth paragraph should begin as follows:

      I would like to gather together those who “have a clue” (who have “eyes to see and ears to hear”) and move from debate to Acts. By those who have a clue, I mean, first of all, Jews and Gentiles who have figured out that the Bible is the actual Word of Yehovah (please see post at https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/What-is-t... the best Way to solve personal, national, and international problems, the Handbook of Life.

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      Hayal Talmid 2 months ago

      Previous comment continued:

      As I have said, I have found over a period of many years (~1974-now) that the American flag, not to mention other Masonic (heathen) flags and symbols of nations, such as the Statue of “Liberty,” etc., is/are the “image of the beast.” First, I would say that there is pretty overwhelming agreement that "the beast" was and is the reigning "superpower" in Biblical times, viz. the Roman Empire (All the schools of thought concerning “the beast,” for example, agree, according to Wikipedia, that, in one form or another, the beast is the Roman Empire (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_(Revelatio... which was described, for one thing, as "scarlet" and "full of blasphemous names" (Rev 17:3) This immediately conjures up the image, especially in the first century CE, of the Roman military, which wore red because Mars, the god of war, was red and because the Roman military carried many standards as it marched, which “served that very important function of connection [sic] the legionaries with their emperor, who as the hand atop the signa reminded, they were bound to serve by sacred oath” (http://www.academia.edu/8640103/The_Military_Stand... The “blasphemous names,” in other words, were names like the Emperor “Domitian,” who demanded the title, dominus et deus, Lord and God, and other “Roman” emperors, such as Gaius (Caligula), who demanded that his image be set up in the Temple of God in Jerusalem, so claiming to be God, not to mention all the “lords, highnesses, majesties, kings, popes, cardinals, rabbis, doctors,” etc., even all through history, who magnify themselves and their accomplices to this day. The “Pope” and his accomplices, of course, have only continued and accelerated this anti-Messiah, such that now we have the spectacle of contemporary “American Christians,” who salute, pledge allegiance to, and otherwise worship the American flag, oblivious of the fact that Masonic flags are Roman flags, all stemming from the ancient Roman vexillum or labarum and even from the image of gold of the king of Babylon (See Dan. 3), all symbolizing the same dominion of Satan and his “angels” or agents. The Roman mark of the beast was SPQR = the “Senate and People of Rome,” or possibly other imperial signs, such as the Roman eagle, which stands for Jupiter and the Roman trinity. It was a brand or tattoo, just like ranchers use to mark their cattle for ownership. It meant that those branded were owned by the empire, voluntarily or otherwise, who, axiomatically, worshipped the trinity—just like people still volunteer to be in the US military or “believe in America” and have the American flag sewn into their clothes, tattooed on themselves, etc. The “hitch,” though, is that the empire is the empire of Satan—“Uncle Sam.” Uncle Sam, in fact, just happens to have three stars on his headband. Guess what that stands for. In antiquity, the Roman soldiers were branded or tattooed on their faces or hands. The documentation is at places like https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/vc... https://www.quora.com/Were-Roman-soldiers-tattooed... https://www.quora.com/Did-Roman-soldiers-really-ha... etc. Charagma, the Greek word for “mark,” means a tattoo, brand, or something like that—not a microchip inserted with a hypodermic needle. In the first century in the Roman Empire, the brands or tattoos on soldiers’ hands and faces were well-known to all.

      There can be no doubt that governments, not to mention religious institutions, are trying to impose heathenism on all and that heathenism, Freemasonry, Skull and Bones, it goes by many names and forms, is anti-Messiah—against God. There can be no doubt that these heathens are proud and exulting in their success at continuing to dupe people into believing that good is evil and evil is good, even, for example, that a character like Trump is somehow a good guy, maybe even a prophet or God. I saw a picture, for example, of Pat Robertson, the “evangelical,” actually bowing down to Trump (http://www.upnorthprogressive.com/2017/06/18/700-c... The “sacred” Statue of “Freedom” on top of the US Capitol Building and “Liberty” in New York Harbor, as I have said, are actually the Roman goddess Minerva, symbol of the Roman trinity, disguised, in the case of the image on top of the Capitol, as an American Indian woman to symbolize the Roman, i.e. anti-Messianic occupation of America, and the list of abominations goes on and on.

      What is the proper, Biblical response to this enemy attack on the Kingdom of Yehovah. I say this, not as a question but an answer: We are not to be passive. Passivity, capitulating to trinitarian coercion, even though we know better, is the mark of the beast on the hand. If we are merely passive, we will be sucked into the black hole. Nor are we to take up arms, as the heathen do, left- or right-wing: That is so primitive and ineffective. I think my sign on my car during the 2016 election is an example of the type of thing that we can and must do. Because of our tiny numerical size, we must raise our voices to be heard. The main sign that we must begin to display conspicuously in public is the seal of Yehovah, which is just  (Alpha Omega) because both the Father and the Son call themselves the Alpha and the Omega in Revelation and because the seal of God consists of the name of the Father and the Son (Rev. 14:1). Just as the military forces of the enemy aggressively impose their flag, so we must even more “patriotically” fly our flag. What I do, for example, is stick an Alpha Omega sticker on my forehead at work and in public! If anyone wants to know more about this, please ask. Let me just say that doing this is a bit scary, but also exceedingly fruitful. It is a quiet thing to do but causes a silent, unstoppable, peaceful “revolution.” It’s also required (see Rom. 12:1 and Rev. 9:4)! Another thing we must do is to actually, physically start a Biblical political economy (see Acts 2:42-47), which, I believe, will be the only Way to survive in the years to come.

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      Hayal Talmid 2 months ago

      Dear Planks and Nails,

      I did read your article on Rev 13, as you asked, including some of the debate below it. On the one hand, the reason I am writing to you is because I agree with MANY things you say, especially about trinitarian dogma. I agree, for example, that the dogmatic deification of the Messiah, dictating that he is “fully God, one in Being with the Father, of the same substance as the Father, ontologically equal, God the Son,” etc., is the flash point of the trinitarian apostasy, especially when coupled with the expulsion, disenfranchisement, or other discrimination against the Biblical minority. The main problem with this dogmatic deification of Yeshua is that the identification of the Son AS the Father implies that the term, Son, is fictitious, hence that the heart of the Gospel is mythical. It’s a subtle change, which most people ignore, especially in the face of dire trinitarian, socio-economic coercion. If the Son really is fictitious, though, he really doesn’t exist, which is the elliptical denial of the Son, which is anti-Messiah. This is the very signature of Satan, but hidden from its victims. The Biblical minority, though, must be astute enough to avoid this trap. It’s a test, which most people fail because they have their minds set on things on the earth instead of on things above.

      Another enemy trick is the idea that the Father and the Son are of the “same substance” (homoousios) viz. Spirit, which is the elliptical “docetic” heresy that the Son did not really come in the flesh but was a “phantom.” This, too, is anti-Messiah, the hidden signature or mark of the enemy.

      On the other hand, how do we get beyond both interminable debate, disagreement, and conflict online and in the denominational world, not to mention the world in general? This is what I have been trying to do for a long time. I don’t go to any church or congregation. I don’t have time for it: I mean if there were a truly Biblical congregation around, even in cyberspace, I would be the first in line. That, in fact, is why I am spending time and energy writing to you and your friends. I am trying to maximize the effect of the little time that I have. I thought of writing a book, but who will read it? Very few, I’m afraid, because the Way to life is indeed “narrow” and “difficult” and only for the “few.”

      I would like to gather together those who “have a clue” (who have “eyes to see and ears to hear”) and move from debate to Acts. By those who have a clue, I mean, first of all, Jews and Gentiles who have figured out that the Bible is the actual Word of Yehovah (please see post at https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/What-is-t... “God the Son” and all that trinitarian baloney--the best Way to solve personal, national, and international problems, the Handbook of Life. Second, that the Messiah Yeshua is the biological Son of Yehovah. (“Pre-existence” is another subject). Third, that Jewish followers of Yeshua must be “zealous for the Law” like the original Jewish disciples (see Acts 21:20, etc.). Fourth, that Gentile disciples “should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality” (Acts 21:25), in other words that there is the “circumcision” and the “uncircumcision” within the body of Yeshua, that the circumcision is the “Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16), the “natural branches” (Romans 11:24), and that “salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22), hence, that we must re-establish the centrality of the bona fide Israel of God in the body of the Messiah, as it was in the beginning in the first century CE. Fifth, that we are to “beware of the leavening of the Pharisees,” not just follow rabbinics blindly.

      This is just a beginning but is already enough, no doubt, to produce a huge firestorm of controversy. Why Yeshua? Why not Yahshua? Why Yehovah? Why not Yahweh? What, are Gentile believers “second class”?! What, are Jewish believers “under the Law”? On and on the controversies go, and such questions must be addressed, but we must not lose sight of the main thing, which is Acts, by which I mean real apostolicity, prophecy, and the like, “on the ground,” first-century style. During the 2016 USA presidential election campaign, for example, I drove around the beltway (highway 495) to and from work around Washington, DC, with a big (3 feet by 4 feet), high (over 13 feet) sign on my car, which said in big letters (GOLD in gold-colored letters), TRUMP DIES HIS HAIR GOLD BECAUSE GOLD IS HIS GOD, BUT “THEY THAT WILL BE RICH FALL INTO TEMPTATION AND A SNARE, AND INTO MANY FOOLISH AND HURTFUL LUSTS, WHICH DROWN MEN IN DESTRUCTION AND PERDITION” (I Tim 6:9). On the other side, it said, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, NOT THE TRUMP WAY BUT THE WAY OF THE LORD (email why666@mail.com (666 red, white and blue)). Too bad, Trump “won” the election anyway, which is another firestorm controversy, but the point is that am I the only one around looking for Acts, as described above?

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      PlanksandNails 2 months ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Hayal Talmid,

      I am not American; therefore, I try not to get caught in the American political propaganda regime. However, you are right that Trinitarian rule is heavy in the USA. It is interesting that you would say that the Trinity is the "image of the beast." I believe that it is the means of getting the mark of the beast. You may be interested in an article that I wrote that reveals this.

      http://hub.me/akAli

      Thanks for reading and your comment.

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      Hayal Talmid 2 months ago

      I am new to this discussion, and I have read some, but not all of your posts. Do you know that the American flag is one form of the "image of the beast" and actually stands for the trinity? That's the real reason why it has three colors and 13 stripes. That's also why Trump is so anxious to punish football players and others if they don't salute and pledge allegiance to the flag. Trump and other top worshippers of the beast make a deal with the devil to spread his false gospel of trinitarian dogma in exchange for "the authority and glory of the kingdoms of this world" (Luke 4:5-8). That's the real way that Trump became president and why he frequently flashes three-and-one finger signs: He's telling his fellow worshippers of the beast to support and vote for him, and he will give them high government offices in exchange, and they all have the same aim of enforcing and expanding trinitarian rule in the USA and the world.

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      PlanksandNails 3 months ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Charlie,

      Thanks for the support and encouragement.

      God bless.

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      PlanksandNails 3 months ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Michael Milec,

      You said,

      'May THE MERCY OF GOD BE WITH US.'

      Yes, may God illuminate the minds of those who have been deceived by the Trinity doctrine. Many don't realize that it ultimately destroys the Gospel.

      God bless.

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      PlanksandNails 3 months ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Richard,

      You stated,

      (((Doesn't the natural reading of scripture indicate a plurality within the one God?)))

      No, it doesn’t.

      Have you ever done a study on 'elohim?'

      It is true that Elohim is a plural Hebrew word, but it does not necessitate a Catholic Trinity as you suppose. Elohim can mean God and his angels, divine representatives or His qualitative characteristics. Even though Elohim (God) occurs in the plural form in Genesis 1:26, the use of the word does not indicate an exact plurality of three separate persons called Trinity. God could be speaking to the angels in the heavens.



      God says 'us' in Isaiah.



      And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” – Isaiah - 6:8



      Here God is speaking to the seraphim, which could be said the same in Genesis 1:26, but we cannot infer something that we don’t know for sure, especially Trinitarian dogma.


      We could take other verses in Scripture that has 'us' in it, but it would be wishful thinking to imply an exact number unless the surrounding verses indicated so.



      And now the letter that you sent to us* has been plainly read before me. – Ezra 4:18



      Does this mean that the 'us' in the above verse means a plurality or Trinity of precisely three persons?


      No, it doesn’t.

      In the surrounding context of Ezra, 'us' is many, but the accurate number cannot be fully determined.
The supposed Trinitarian evidence is inconclusive that 'Elohim' in Genesis 1:26 is exactly three persons called a Trinity.

      The fact is there are many other Scripture references that use the same Hebrew word, but reveals God as singular person without forcing preconceived notions upon the verses.

      
The plural Elohim could refer to the qualitative characteristics of God such as His wisdom. So again, Genesis 1:26 is not proof that Jesus is God or proof of a Catholic Trinity.


      Elohim is described as a singular person who is God the Father. (Hebrews 1:8-9, Psalm 45:6-7, Hebrews 10:7 and Psalm 40:7-8)



      The prefix/suffix of Elohim (EL) is attached to many names in Scripture such as, DaniEL, IsraEL, ELijah, EzekiEL, GabriEL, JoEL and RachEL. Unlike YHWH, the pronunciation and vowels of this word have been preserved.

      As you stated, Elohim occurs more than 2500 times. However, in the Hebrew text with various meanings from Egyptian deities (Exodus 12:12) to 'the god of Moab' (1 Kings 11:33). Elohim also refers to demons and seraphim and other supernatural entities (1 Samuel 28:13).

      
Elohim (God) cannot be applied as a personal name when it refers to something impersonal like man, creature, father or brother. A name can only given when the context determines it.

 Elohim describes a domain of the individual(s) it refers to. The one God, the Father is YHWH; therefore, Elohim would be His domain of having all power, authority, magnificence, excellence, etc. When Elohim refers to angel (s), it is delegated as sub-domain of the Father and then to a personal name if identified.

      In the same manner, when humans are referred to as Elohim such as kings and prophets, they too are a sub-domain of the Father.

      
What is interesting is that in the Hebrew manuscripts ‘Elohim’ is never written before the word YHWH, but always after; therefore, the Father is the Most High and everything else is subordinate in His domain.


      Elohim in Genesis 1:26 when speaking of 'us' may refer to His dominion and authority, etc. To imply 'us' means a Catholic Trinity is simply wishful thinking and must be imagined into the text because there is nothing that precisely says Trinity or three in one in the passage.

      Also, pointing to a long list of Scripture passages with no explanation on your part does not help. I am aware of all those passages because I used to be a Trinitarian.

      When you speak of the Holy Spirit, you actually meaning the third person of the Trinity when it states clearly that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. The doctrine of the Trinity affirms that the Father is most definitely not the Holy Spirit. The Father and the Holy Spirit are two different persons in the Trinity.

      And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out MY* Spirit upon all flesh. - Acts 2:17

      He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through HIS Spirit in the inner man. - Ephesians 3:16

      By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of HIS* Spirit. - 1 John 4:13

      Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put MY* Spirit upon him. - Matthew 12:18

      This is just plain and simple reading here. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. There is no need to impose a ‘third person of the Trinity’ into these passages.

      You stated,

      (((the one God is the Divine Nature (Acts 17:29)))

      As I stated in the article, Trinitarians will define ‘Godhead’ as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as equal, but separate parts of the triune God. The fact is, 'Godhead' simply means 'divine.' In the KJV, ‘Godhead’ is only found three times in their bible. However, a simple look at the word in the Greek means ‘divine. It does not mean Trinity. A lexicon or concordance will show this.

      You stated,

      (((…consisting of three divine Persons (Matt. 28:19); (c) the Father, Son and Holy Spirit share the same essence and collectively comprise the one Divine Nature.)))

      FYI, there is no passage of Scripture that makes that assertion. You must impose this with the presupposition of imagining your Catholic doctrine into the text. You want to count, ‘one, two and three' because you have been conditioned to do so and then must tell yourself that Matthew 28:19 is referring to the Trinity. It would be strange for Christ to introduce the doctrine of the Trinity here in the next-to-last verse in the book without it being mentioned earlier don’t you think?

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      charlie 3 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth. between the oceans

      because those that "have not the Spirit" cannot correctly understand scripture they have placed their "man solutions" to their questions in place of scripture.

      They think, incorrectly, that Jesus is God because they do not understand that in this age Jesus has been "DELEGATED" all the authority of God and is acting in God's stead. Because He is given all of the authority of God for this age (only) the scripture correctly says that "the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him" (for this age only), they do not understand delegation and what comes with it, He is acting as God during this age. As evidenced by the fact that ONLY JESUS can write names in the Book of Life.

      Matt 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

      Col 2:8-10 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

      But they also do not understand that Jesus returns all authority to God at the end of this age. Nor do they understand that the end of this age is the end of mankind (we that enter the eternal kingdom will be changed from mortal man to immortal beings), and also the end of all authority and rule except that of God Himself.

      1 Cor 15:22-29 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

      In other words APOSTATE men, Those claiming to be the CLERGY, that does not exist in this New Testament age of the rule of Christ have used this lie along with all the other doctrines of men found in the "church system" to mislead and entrap foolish, weak folks (the simple) that choose to follow man and not God and His Christ.

      1 Cor 15:33-34 Do not be deceived: "Evil company corrupts good habits." 34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

      In other words the "church system of man" is not of God, but is of satan, led by apostate man and is designed to entrap and keep those seeking God from understanding the scriptures by replacing the doctrines of Christ The Redeemer with those of APOSTATE men. All "churches and clergy ( both of which are not found in the new testament) are founded on and promote division among those professing to be of Christ. The new testament church is simply any time two or more true disciples of Christ meet together wherever and whenever they are in the name of Christ, not related to any false clergy or "church building" or place.

      Rom 16:17-19 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple.

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      Richard Parr 3 months ago from Australia

      Doesn't the natural reading of scripture indicate a plurality within the one God? (e.g. Gen. 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; etc.). The Hebrew word elohim that is translated “God” 2,570 times in the English OT (Gen. 1:1-31; 2:2-22; 3:1-23, etc.) is the PLURAL form of el.

      To allege that the trinity doctrine has been imposed on the biblical text, discounts the fundamental role of systematic theology (http://kmooreperspective.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/t...

      If only “the Father” is the “One God,” what about the NT affirmations of Jesus as God (e.g. John 1:1-3; 5:18; 10:33; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Rev. 1:8, 17-18; 22:12-13)? And why is the Holy Spirit also depicted as deity (Matt. 28:19; Acts 5:3-4) possessing divine attributes (Heb. 9:14; 1 Co. 2:10; Is. 40:13-14; Ps. 139:7-10; Gen. 1:2; Job 26: 13; 33:4; 2 Thess. 2:13; Ro. 8:11; Mt. 12:31)?

      In Deut. 6:4 [the monotheistic ‘Shema’ of Judaism] the word “God” is translated from the plural elohim, so how can the plural elohim be “one”? The two Hebrew words translated “one” in the OT are (1) yachid = “only, solitary, only one” (Gen. 22:2, 12, 16; Judg. 11:34; Jer. 6:26), never used in reference to deity; and (2) echad = “unite, join together” (Gen. 2:24; 41:1, 5, 25; Deut. 6:4), used in reference to deity and signifying a compound unity.

      It would seem to me that when the entire biblical revelation is evaluated and harmonized, the foundational fact is (a) one God (Deut. 6:4); (b) the one God is the Divine Nature (Acts 17:29) consisting of three divine Persons (Matt. 28:19); (c) the Father, Son and Holy Spirit share the same essence and collectively comprise the one Divine Nature.

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      charlie 3 months ago from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth. between the oceans

      Another great article Aaron. Good to hear from you.

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      Michael Milec 3 months ago

      Wow. Wow, wow. Wow, wow, wow. Great work, PlanksandNails

      May THE MERCY OF GOD BE WITH US.

      “Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.” (J.Christ)

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