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The Twisted Hierarchical Agenda of the Modern Church System – Part 2

Updated on September 19, 2017
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PlanksandNails' goal is to be a catalyst in encouraging the followers of Christ to pursue Biblical truth for themselves.

In the previous article (Part 1) the evidence was shown that certain words from the English translations of the Bible have been either deliberately mistranslated or paraphrased from the original Greek to malign the true intended meanings to support a man-made agenda that defies the principles of the Kingdom of God testified by Christ and the apostles.

Unfortunately, those who partake in the man-driven denominational church system have been deceived into believing in words and phrases that support the false notion of a hierarchical system run by an elite salaried religious clergy class. The truth is quite the opposite.

In Part 1 of this theme, words like 'deacon,' 'office,' 'bishop,' and 'elder' were uncovered and the corruption exposed. In this article the words: 'presbytery,' 'the house of God,' 'to rule over,' 'obey,' 'submit,' 'discipleship' and 'leadership' will be explored exposing them as corrupted religious words by their worldly definitions.

The intention is to align the words and phrases of Scripture with their true inspired meanings without the indoctrinated man-made hierarchical context imposed upon them. Those who maintain religious power and authority over others will be exposed for their false teaching and positions among men.

And in their greed they will exploit you with FALSE WORDS. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. – 2 Peter 2:3

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, BUT INSTEAD EXPOSE THEM. – Ephesians 5:11

Presbytery

There is a word in 1st Timothy that was left untranslated from the Greek.

"Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the PRESBYTERY (presbuteros)." - 1 Timothy 4:14 KJV

pseudonym for ruling class
pseudonym for ruling class

In Part 1, we uncovered the word 'elder,' which in the Greek is 'presbuteros,' meaning someone who is advanced in maturity in both age and wisdom following in and being an example in the ways of Christ.

What is suspicious is, why did the King James translators leave it untranslated?

If you reference other English translations of 'presbuteros,' the maligning becomes obvious as it is rendered according to an ecclesiastical 'translation,' such as 'council of elders.' Most today believe that an 'elder' is someone who has been given an official hierarchical in the modern church system. This is far from the example of the elderly among the ekklesia in the first century who were not a ruling class of officers.

The House of God

Many people today call 'church' a 'house of God.' It is a four-walled building on an expensive piece of real estate where people go to worship God in the template of man-made liturgy. Unfortunately, many believe that the church system is mandated from God because they have been deceived into believing in mistranslated English words in the Bible that do not mean the same as from the inspired Greek language.

But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the HOUSE OF GOD (oikos), which is the CHURCH (ekklesia) of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. – 1 Timothy 3:15

Nowhere in Scripture does ekklesia refer to a denominational church building because the ekklesia are the 'household of God' who are the temples of the Holy Spirit. The 'house of God' in not a religious building called 'church' filled with a professional hireling priesthood class conducting religious ceremonies.

In the Old Testament 'the house of God' meant a physical temple, but in the New Testament 'oikos' means a 'house,' 'home,' or 'the occupants of a house' in the context of a family (household). The King James translators were a crafty bunch maligning phrases and words that steered toward a hierarchical ecclesiastical building with the purpose of referring to a material house rather than a spiritual one.

As the saying goes, 'a house does not make a home,' just as those who enter a church building are not the ekklesia of Christ. Material houses and temples are dispensable, but families are not. The man-made equation is false:

House of God = Church = a Temple

This must be changed to the correct one.

Household of God (oikos) = congregation of God (ekklesia) = family of God.

There is only one true equation that Christ conveyed and it had nothing to do with a 'church' aganda.

Do you not know that YOU ARE GOD’S TEMPLE AND THAT GOD’S SPIRIT DWELLS IN YOU? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and YOU ARE THAT TEMPLE. – 1 Corinthians 3:16-17

"The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, DOES NOT DWELL IN TEMPLES MADE WITH HANDS – Acts 17:24

If 1st Timothy 3:15, as stated earlier was not corrupted according to the full counsel of Scripture with the intended meaning, it would read like this,

'But if I am gone long, you may know how you should conduct yourself among the household of God, his dwelling place, which is the congregation of the living God, the pillar and the ground of truth.'

Young’s Literal Translation comes close, but uses 'in' instead of 'among.'

And if I delay, that thou mayest know how it behoveth thee to conduct thyself IN (among) the house of God, which is an assembly of the living God -- a pillar and foundation of the truth - 1 Timothy 3:15 YLT

household - family - ekklesia
household - family - ekklesia

There are several references in Acts that renders 'household' (oikos) in its proper context.

At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was known as the Italian Cohort, a devout man who feared God with all his HOUSEHOLD, gave alms generously to the people, and prayed continually to God. – Acts 10:1-2

He will declare to you a message by which you will be saved, you and all your HOUSEHOLD.’ – Acts 11:14

And after she was baptized, and her HOUSEHOLD (oikos) as well, she urged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my HOUSE (oikos) and stay.” And she prevailed upon us. – Acts 16:15

Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord, together with his entire HOUSEHOLD (oikos). And many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized. – Acts 18:8

The family of God, the 'ekklesia' met in homes in the first century. They did not meet in man-made temples and church buildings. Since the 'ekklesia' are a family, it would be common sense that they met and gathered in homes on a daily basis.

But exhort one another DAILY, as long as it is called today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. – Hebrews 3:13

As for Saul, he made havock of the congregation (ekklesia,) entering INTO EVERY HOUSE (oikos), and haling men and women committed them to prison. – Acts 8:3

And when he had considered the thing, he came to the HOUSE OF MARY the mother of John, whose surname was Mark; where many were gathered together praying. – Acts 12:12

Likewise greet the EKKLESIA that is IN THEIR HOUSE. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ. – Romans 16:5

Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the EKKLESIA which is IN HIS HOUSE. – Colossians 4:15

And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellow soldier, and to the EKKLESIA IN THY HOUSE: - Philemon 1:2

The ekklesias of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the EKKLESIA that is IN THEIR HOUSE. – 1 Corinthians 16:19

Those who have been well indoctrinated will appeal to Solomon’s porch where the apostles taught, but the fact is that it was not a routine gathering place. The routine gathering places were from house to house with no ecclesiastical umbrella of rulership over the brethren.

How I didn't shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, teaching you PUBLICLY and from HOUSE TO HOUSE…" – Acts 20:20

The primary places that the early first century ekklesia spread the Gospel and preached was either out in public, or in homes of the brethren. It wasn’t until the full yeast of apostasy took over where the meaning of ekklesia became what is the counterfeit word called church found on the signs of buildings on every other street corner today.

Rule Over

I’m sure you have heard this following famous verse over and over again as it is the 'golden calf' Scripture verse that is to put people in their place.

Let the ELDERS THAT RULE well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. – 1 Timothy 5:17

Of course, who is to dare question the one who rules, right?

A look in any modern dictionary will render 'rule' as someone with authority, domination, power, command, supremacy, force, ruler, etc.

The antonym of rule would be words like servitude, weakness, servility, etc.

If the antonym of rule is to serve, then we have a severe problem as the example of Christ and the apostle’s version of leadership was to serve. Again, the so called 'infallible perfectly preserved words of God' of the KJV Bible is exposed again for its corruption by its translators perpetuating the belief of King James who thought he had the divine right to rule as the church authority.

The Greek word 'proistmi' was rendered corruptly to mean, 'rule' by those who had authority, rule and governance and wanted to keep it that way. In contrast, the true connotation derived from the Greek was a person who had a zeal for the welfare of his family among the ekklesia inspiring the duty of all to do the same.

Paul said,

Not that we have dominion over (archo) your faith, but are FELLOW WORKERS for your joy; for by faith you stand." – 2 Corinthians 1:24

Fellow workers are not rulers, dictators or domineering men lording their control over people with their religious templates that they have created for their own selfish gain believing they have the divine right to rule over others with their self-appointed offices and titles.

The religious hirelings feathers will ruffle at the evidence as and attempt to silence anyone who would dare to touch 'God’s anointed.'

Remember THEM WHICH HAVE THE RULE OVER YOU, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. – Hebrews 13:7

A closer analysis of this verse reveals that it is in the past tense, but has been cunningly translated to be read as if were in the present. The truth is that this verse has nothing to do with professional hirelings who are the supposed rulers over the body of Christ.

The phrase, 'them which have rule over you' is a mistranslated paraphrase from the original Greek word 'ēgoumenōn' [2233] that means to 'go before' or 'to lead.' Just as Christ and the apostles did, they led the way by their examples. They did not sit as stationary salaried overlords living off the backs of the people.

In Hebrews 11 and 12, there are accounts of the many who have gone before us from the Old Testament through to the New Testament. These are the Godly examples of men and women who walked in faith and service. There are no words about stationary sainted sages, but people who were deemed as heroes. They are to be remembered for their sacrifices because their walk of faith meant being stoned, tortured, whipped, imprisoned, put before lions, etc. until 'the end of their conversation.'

Who THROUGH FAITH conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. – Hebrews 11:33-34

Hebrews 13:7
Hebrews 13:7

These are our faithful brothers and sisters in Christ that have gone before us who loved not their lives till death for the truth of the Gospel. 'Remember those who rule over you,' without indoctrinated lenses means to remember our guides in the faith that have gone before us who were steadfast and did not concede to the doctrines of men.

It was the rage of the entitled religious elite who murdered Stephen and James as well as many other saints (brethren). We are to remember them and imitate their faith by being faithful to the cause of Christ. The amazing thing is that they were happy because of their afflictions being persecuted for their devotion to truth. They are the examples for us today in their unwavering obedient faith.

Standing on truth in the time of Christ and the apostles as well as in many places in the Old Testament meant that trials would come. This often meant being fed to the lions, stoned, tortured, being whipped, boiled, burned and imprisoned. The irony is that is was the saints (brethren) that went before us were the ones who were murdered by the religious ruling class. They were the esteemed religious men who wanted to keep the abolished temple system after the veil had been rent.

Obey

Over and over again the mistranslation and twisting of Scripture has brought damage into the lives of many people as they have allowed the religious ruling class to spiritually lord over and abuse them in the name of Christ.

Remember THEM WHICH HAVE THE RULE OVER YOU, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. – Hebrews 13:7

Again, the ecclesiastical class love to use this verse as ammunition against anyone who would question their position. Most of the indoctrinated will say that their elders do not literally rule over them, but they do in indirect ways. They fail to understand that any idea of someone who is ruling over another spiritually is in direct opposition to the teachings of Christ.

OBEY them that have the RULE OVER YOU, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. – Hebrews 13:17

"over"
"over"

When reading through this particular passage, it would be hard not to contest the hierarchical placed words, but if we dig deeper into the meanings of the words in the original Greek, the truth comes to the light and the malignment and corruption is exposed.

The word 'over' is not even found in the original Greek. It was an addition planted by translators that did not even give an English equivalent, but rather purposefully put in the autocratic word to give those in the man-made church system more power.

The following evidence will prove this.

The word 'obey' in the Greek is 'peitho' [3982]. The word is found fifty-five times in the New Testament, but is only translated as 'obey' seven times, but in all the other references means to be persuaded.

Can you see the difference between the autocratic voice verses the persuasive voice?

Let’s check out a few verses that reveal this. You can also check out other parallel verses from other Bible versions with an interlinear Bible, concordance, or a lexicon.

And if this come to the governor's ears, we will PERSUADE (pietho) him, and secure you. – Matthew 28:14

Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, PERSUADED (pietho) them to continue in the grace of God. – Acts 13:43

And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who PERSUADED (pietho) the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead. – Acts 14:19

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and PERSUADED (pietho) the Jews and the Greeks. – Acts 18:4

When we, who are all a royal priesthood have the power to influence others for Christ, it is not about commanding others to obey, but to persuade (pietho) them to seek first the Kingdom of God. Paul reasoned with the people through divine persuasion. He was not interested in creating people who would be loyal to him in submission, but pointed to the sole submission to Christ.

This is in direct contrast to the church system that tries to get people to conform to some named denominational church template that can be traced back to some man other than Christ. Paul was one who was sent to represent Christ, not himself. He was persuaded by Christ and was thoroughly convinced of what he spoke and that is why he was anointed to be able to reason and persuade others too.

"For I am PERSUADED (pietho), that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord". – Romans 8:38-39

You can imagine the divine persuasion that Paul had to cause the idol makers to lose money from their products. Likewise, if more people followed the ways of Christ and the apostles, the idolatry of the man-made church system would would come to an end because of lost revenues.

For a man named Demetrius, a silversmith who made silver shrines of Artemis, brought A GREAT DEAL OF BUSINESS to the craftsmen. – Acts 19:24

…this Paul hath PERSUADED (pietho) and TURNED AWAY MUCH PEOPLE, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands." - Acts:19:26

When Paul stood before King Agrippa his persuasion was so convincing that he said, 'within so little time do you persuade [pietho] me to become a Christian?' – Acts 26:28

Even Paul was persuaded by his own brethren.

"And I myself also am PERSUADED (pietho) OF YOU, MY BRETHREN, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another." - Romans 15:14

There are so many other references. Here are a few more to check for yourself.

  • Hebrews 6:9
  • 2 Timothy 1:5
  • 2 Timothy 1:12
  • 2 Corinthians 5:11
  • Galatians 1:10

What we find glaringly obvious is that any man who is anointed by God will be given the grace to effect change among those whom they come into contact with. They will been given influence from God (Yahweh) that has no need or desire to demand obedience from anyone.

The example of Peter is that he was anointed to persuade and even silence his critics without demanding consent. He did not see himself above questioning, but exercised Godly influence to those who heard him.

So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcision party CRITICIZED HIM, saying, “You went to uncircumcised men and ate with them.” But Peter began and EXPLAINED IT TO THEM IN ORDER: - Acts 11:2-4

Many deceived religious men today believe that they have the right and the desire to make church members out of people out of their own wills to the point where they become mentally and spiritually abusive. Their carnal desire is that people will come under their submission and will use the mistranslation of words and phrases of Scripture to do so.

OBEY them that have the RULE OVER YOU, and SUBMIT yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. – Hebrews 13:17

There are some pretty domineering words in this verse, but as we are learning the true meaning of these words, we know that they are not derived from the original Greek, but from the imaginations of carnal men who desired to have power and control.

The word, 'submit,' as we will get to in more detail shortly means to yield derived from the Greek, 'hupeiko.' It has no implication to an outward force upon someone to make them yield, but rather a voluntary act towards someone who cares for them with brotherly or sisterly love. If anyone demands authority among the ekklesia, it means they do not really have authority at all and are not fit or qualified to lead (serve).

Here is the Hebrews verse translated the proper way. It conveys the true rendering of the original Greek words into English.

"Be PERSUADED by your leaders, and be DEFERRING to them, for they are vigilant for the sake of your souls, as having to render an account, that they may be doing this with joy, and not with groaning, for this is disadvantageous for you." - Hebrews 13:17 (Concordant Literal New Testament)

The truth is that here is no demand to be subordinate to an elite religious titled church hireling who demands obedience, rule and submission to support his own denominational hierarchical ministry.

Salute all them that have the RULE OVER YOU (hegeomai) [2233], and all the saints. They of Italy salute you. – Hebrews 13:24

Proper Translation makes a difference. Correct translation: Fire Extinguisher
Proper Translation makes a difference. Correct translation: Fire Extinguisher

'Them that have rule over you' is a blatant mistranslation and redefinition of the Greek word 'hegeomai.' The letter of Hebrews was written to the ekklesia as a whole, not to the 'hegeomai.' To interpret Hebrews under a hierarchical indoctrinated lens would mean that there is a chain of command supporting the notion of the modern eldership theory in the church system today.

When Paul wrote his letters to the ekklesia, he did not write to an elite ruling class, but wrote to them as a whole to take responsibility for their actions. We are not to obey ecclesiastical men as the maligned passages in Hebrews seem to suggest. The pseudo hierarchical offices in the modern church system are an abomination in the sight of God.

In direct contrast, those among the ekklesia are to follow after those who lead by Godly example by being servants, not lords. The New Testament is full of those who have went before us and have laid down their lives so we can read God’s word and know the Gospel truth today by their examples.

We know what they mean when they say this to us.
We know what they mean when they say this to us.

Submit

The idea of submitting to someone in our world today implies rank. In some religious circles they refer to themselves as the 'army of the Lord.' They view themselves in a military sense with different hierarchical ranks where different classes of people can outrank each other.

Likewise, ye younger, SUBMIT (hupotasso) YOURSELVES UNTO THE ELDER. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. – 1 Peter 5:5

The Greek word 'hupotasso' can be used in a military sense, but also in a non-military one as well.

The question is, is this verse speaking of submission to a commander of special rank among troops or is it speaking of a deference to a mature person who is serving by example within the context of a loving family?

If you read the second part of the verse, it states that God resists the proud as we are to walk in humility towards one another. It would be obvious that any proud person by definition 'hyperēphanois' [5244] would show himself or herself to be above others setting themselves against the lowly and humble.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and LOWLY in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. – Matthew 11:29

Here is the Fuller Translation,

"Moreover, all of you, bind about yourselves as a girdle, HUMILITY toward one another, because God OPPOSES himself to those who set themselves above others, but gives grace to those who are LOWLY." – 1 Peter 5:5

Repent!
Repent!

Can it get any more vivid than this?

There is absolutely no hierarchical implication or rank in this verse. Peter is not asking believers to submit to hireling overlords who have religious vocation. To be in this position is outright pride and rebellion against the example of Christ defying the principles of the Kingdom of God. It is blatant ignorance of Christ’s example who made himself of 'no reputation.' Even Paul stated,

Not because we are lords of your faith, but we are HELPERS of your joy, for it is by faith that you stand. - 2 Corinthians 1:24

Discipleship and Leadership

When the words of Scripture are read with a belief of a mandated hierarchal system, people become servants to their lords indoctrinated in concentration camps called 'church.' All their spiritual decision making is abdicated by the Pastor who is their 'headship' spreading his power through delegates who demand submission so the compliant sheeple will remain loyal to pay 'kingdom taxes' in order to receive their 'blessing' and 'covering.'

Many use the word 'discipleship' as one of a master-disciple relationship as Christ had with his disciples. The church system twists this to mean that we are to have the same relationship with our brethren in the same manner. This is inappropriate behaviour as it puts unbiblical authority factors over others that are not found in the New Testament. This would defy Christ’s earthly example as we have not been given authority to rule as kings in this age.

All authority in heaven and earth has been given to Christ. He has been given the name above every name, not ours. The authority that he has given us is to serve others in the same capacity as he did. There is absolutely no authority to rule, but to serve. Christ did not come to serve and then leave behind an autocratic ruling clergy in his place. If you believe this you have been deceived. Get out of this counterfeit religious system church system you are in and repent while you still can.

It's not you who is  the King.
It's not you who is the King.

Then Jesus came to them and said, "ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. – Matthew 28:18

Many still don’t get it. Christ said, 'all.' This means that there is no place for men to have ownership and authority over others. The Spirit lives in all those who are part of the body of Christ and the authority of God may pass through us, but it isn’t ours. Our obedience is not to religious church men, but to the Head who is Christ. Scripture states that we must all submit to one another having the fear of the Lord.

What does it mean to be a true leader?

It means to go on ahead and be the example of divine leadership following the example and principles of the Kingdom of God attested by Christ and the apostles. A good word for leader could also be a 'pioneer.'

In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist, to make the PIONEER of their salvation perfect through suffering. – Hebrews 2:10

To view the term leadership as going on ahead means that you will have to be delivered from your indoctrination. Those who have demonic religious demons within them will want to rule the roost rather than going on ahead walking the narrow path. If we follow the 'pioneer' of our salvation, we will be inadvertently leading (serving) others by example. If we are lording our faith over others by exercising our own dominion and authority, it totally misses the mark and is antichrist.

Unfortunately, many believe in the worldly ideologies of government and have applied them as being part of God’s Kingdom by embracing concepts that demand hierarchy. The satanic deception is that there must be a rule over others through decision, opinion, subservience, submission and obedience without question. Blind submission and unquestioned obedience leads to bondage and spiritual death.

Our Father is first and foremost of importance who has given His Son all authority in heaven and on earth. Through Christ we have access to the Father. Through the Spirit, we have access to the words of Scripture to weigh and test our walk and relationship with Him. The Holy Spirit will guide us to the truth, expose the lies and give us understanding. Through our conscience and in humility, we must be humble enough to hear the divine anointed persuasion of others so that we may grow in unity being in one accord with the Father and the Son.

Do not fall for the demands of any church clergy. They just want to make a living off of your backs as they want you to serve them and their agendas.

Even with all the evidence presented, many will still wilfully hold onto the maligned phrases and words that are in the English translations of Scripture.

The decision now is whether you will repent and seek the ways and principles of the Kingdom of God or remain in the bondage of the hierarchical structures of the modern church system.

Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and THE HIGHEST SEATS IN THE SYNAGOGUES, and the chief rooms at feasts; Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: THE SAME SHALL RECEIVE GREATER DAMNATION. – Luke 20:46-47

Do you have a position of authority in the religious man-driven system called church?

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      Neil Braithwaite 17 months ago

      Aaron - Great post.

      The corporate "church" system has provided a well protected platform for creating and teaching false doctrines since the beginning of the Catholic Church. This evil system has been kept in place by 99.9% of competing denominations and independent churches even to today.

      The number one false doctrine is that of the Trinity; which is usually put at the top of the doctrine or "beliefs" list on most church websites.

      I point this out because I have come to believe that the trinity doctrine is a "salvation" issue that, if believed, renders one disqualified for salvation. This can be easily verified by reading John 8, where Yahshua plainly points out the truth to the scribes and Pharisees regarding exactly who they serve - and don't serve, and where they "stand" with the God of Israel.

      For all those who adhere to the trinity doctrine - the bottom line is this: If Yahshua truly meant what he said in John 8, then you do not know the God of Israel (Yahweh) or His son Yahshua (Jesus). You have created and worship what is clearly defined in scripture as "another god" (three gods to be specific). You have gone the way of the Jewish leaders and Jewish people as attested by the words of Messiah Yahshua in John 8. Yahshua told the scribes and Pharisees in this passage that their father was the devil. Do you think for a minute that those scribes and Pharisees believed that they did not know the one true God of Israel or that their TRUE father was actually the devil?

      If you are a trinitarian, then you probably believe, as the scribes and Pharisees did, that your father is the God of Israel and also the father of the Messiah - Yahshua. Unfortunately, Yahshua's words apply to anyone who adheres to the trinity doctrine and its three false gods.

      As Yahshua, the true Messiah speaking his Father's words clearly states in this passage, you will surly die in your sins unless you repent and turn to the ONE true God of Israel - Yahweh, and His human son and Messiah - Yahshua.

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      Rich Kelley 18 months ago from The Ekklesia

      Planks

      Thanks for part II. Removing the layers of paint on the church is time consuming. When you think you are done, you find yet another layer to peel back. Sometimes you have to put on a mask and gloves because what you are dealing with is toxic and can cause death. 2000 years is a long time and their are many layers of deception. Thank you for your efforts.

      Rich

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      Eric Dierker 18 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      You sure make a strong case for your beliefs.

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      Alan 18 months ago from Tasmania

      Fair enough, PlanksandNails. I do agree with you about the way that church has distorted down the centuries. Politics and religion have gone together and it continues to this day.

      Even those who refute the Roman church carry their own biases and I suspect America has its fair share of corruption based upon religious agenda.

      But I will bow out now and leave it to those of faith.

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      PlanksandNails 18 months ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Jonny,

      This article was written for those who have faith in the Scriptures, and that is why it is under the category of theological discussion. You have a right to share your opinions, point of view and presumptions, but you are making a category mistake.

      Of course you are "confirmed" in your disbelief, but I am in no way trying to force my beliefs upon you, but rather laying out the evidence to refute the "church" hierarchal paradigm when it comes to spiritual matters by those who are making claim to the faith that they give lip service to.

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      Alan 18 months ago from Tasmania

      You have obviously put a lot of time and effort into compiling this hub, and you are to be commended for that.

      However, from my own point of view, you also are stuck in your own "belief system," that you will not look beyond....i.e., to the possibility all, I repeat ALL, the religious and beliefs you hold are simply human desires to hang onto something that supports your views.

      You castigate the "Churches" for falseness. Yet your own beliefs are no more "true." Those beliefs are rooted in the presumption that Man is "fallen," sinners, imperfect, bad, condemned to hell for transgressions.

      You see us all as bound for eternal damnation unless we get on our knees and bow to an imaginary judge and executioner.

      This is all designed to place fellow humans under your control.

      So, I am confirmed in my dis-belief. Period.