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The Uncomfortable Truth about Christianity: Matthew 7:21-23

Updated on January 13, 2013
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An uncomfortable reality

"21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’" Matthew 7:21-23


A lot of theists, Christians especially, like to shine the spotlight on the highlights of Christianity. The feel-good parts. The nice, neighborly aspects. They quickly distance themselves from the harsh realities of the Old Testament, many even going as far to decry some of the actions of their god to be immoral - or at the very least - time-honored traditions that no longer apply in the New Testament after Jesus. They tout the New Testament around like it's the pinnacle of morality with the "love thy neighbor" and "do good to those who persecute you" and the "meek shall inherit the earth". They claim, falsely, that Jesus is all good, loving and kind - when this particular verse in Matthew directly contradicts their claim.

Faith Vs. Works:
There is a huge disagreement between Christian sects on the concept of salvation via faith or works. Some biblical passages maintain adamantly that all is necessary to approach the kingdom of heaven is to believe that jesus is the son of god and poof! You're good. Others maintain, with scriptural references to back them up, that if you do not do good works, you're not truly saved - and that your fruit is proof of your eternal salvation. there is also a huge debate between whether salvation is permanent - or if it can be lost. For me personally, I didn't lose it - I gave it up, willingly. I no longer choose to submit to a non-existent god-being who behaves so repulsively as depicted in his one and only method of communication between himself and his people - if they are his people at all. As far as faith vs. works, however, Jesus himself seems to make things rather clear.

No True Scottsman:
A lot of Christians are quick to point out that any other "self-proclaimed" Christians who act in a manner inconsistent with their own interpretation of scripture are not "true" Christians. For example, moderate Christians demonize fundamental denominations like the West-borough Baptist Church - if they even realize that they exist. What they fail to realize, however, is that although West-borough and the Phelps clan act repulsively, they are acting in accordance with scripture. They are true to the letter of the word that they eagerly proclaim to be perfect and infallible. Their message may make you uncomfortable - but it is biblically accurate. God punishes entire nations for errors in judgement, just look at the Old Testament. Although Jesus may seem on the surface to be the 'softer side of the almighty', when you dig deeper, things become a little more fuzzy.

In the passage in Matthew listed above, Jesus' words could not be any more clear. I don't know many Christians today that are successfully raising the dead, casting out demons or creating prophecies. Many Christians have claimed to know the moment of the end of the world, but these dates have come and gone - and the world is still here, in all of its secular glory. Sure, TV evangelists make a big show of removing "evil spirits" from those in their congregation - and they make a healthy living off of these sideshow tricks. With all of these signs, however, it's not good enough. Jesus makes it clear - unless you do the will of his father (which would encompass the Old Testament laws and commandments) you do not truly know Jesus - and when the end finally comes - he will reject YOU.

An Uncomfortable Analogy:
This analogy is as difficult for me to write as it probably is to read - but it's perfectly necessary. As you're walking by in the woods or desert or wilderness, you see a child. They're clearly frightened and in pain. As you move closer, you notice that they're standing on something. In Africa, there are terrible ants called "siafu". They easily overpower cattle, children and even adults. They kill their victims by suffocation, primarily - and they behave similarly to army ants - on steroids. When you look closer at the child, you notice that they're standing in the path of a horde of Siafu. As you watch, several ants begin crawling up the child's legs. More follow. Before long, the child is covered in them - and they're beginning to swarm around the legs and mouth. If you do nothing, the child will die.

Instead of thinking of this as just any child, now imagine that it's YOUR child. You watch, horrified, knowing that they're going to experience a horrific and painful death - unless you do something to stop it. But then you remember. Yesterday, your child got angry with you. They told you that they hated you, and they wished to have another parent. Because of that, you look at them and say "you're not my son/daughter. I don't know you". Then you turn your back on them, ignore their screams of fear and pain - and walk away without a second thought.

Could you leave that child to suffer? Could you leave your child to suffer a temporary, yet horrific death? Jesus can - and if you believe the bible, he WILL - despite all of the things you've said, the miracles you've done and the way that you've tried to live a life pleasing to him. Unless you've done the "will of his father' you are doomed - and your future is not a fleeting, painful death. It's an eternity in hell, where you will be tortured and in agony - forever. Your time on earth is brief in the scope of an eternity. For all the crimes you committed on earth - finite crimes - you are doomed to torture and pain - forever. If it makes you feel any better, however, your christian friends can sit in heaven and watch while you suffer, however. That makes a world of difference, I'm sure.

The majority of society is hard-wired to want to protect the innocent. While not true for everybody, the large majority of people would not sit idly by and watch a child be killed by ants - or a dog - or even another human being. Most of us would act - even if that action was only to call for help. Yet god, who supposedly created all mankind in his image, would sit on the sidelines. If the god of the bible is real, he has created a twisted reality for his creation. You have a limited amount of time to figure out the truth - without any evidence to back that truth up. If you succeed, you can (hopefully) avoid the torture and go straight to paradise. If you don't, you're eternally doomed. The biblical god set up a system by which his "enemy" wins by default. According to Christian doctrine, Satan is the prince of this world. If you live and choose against god, satan wins. If you choose the wrong god, satan wins. If you think you accept god but don't make the right choices, satan wins. God only wins if you obey his myriad of commands, follow the right doctrine, act perfectly and do things correctly - a system almost impossible to live up to. Only a small fraction of people will end up in this god's paradise - although he claims repeatedly to want everyone to be saved. Although his will is for all to know and love him, he has no problem sending the majority of his creation to their eternal torments, never to be redeemed. Is this a loving father? No. It's a sadistic, psychopathic tyrant - who gets off on the suffering of his children.

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      FriendofTruth 4 years ago from Michigan

      Hello JMCFarland: I think you answered your own analogy of the story with the child who is being overcome by the ants. You stated, how could a parent who is watching their child be killed by ants do nothing, ignore their screams etc. just because the child told his parent the night before that he was not that parent's child. And of course, the parent would not ignore the child - your story doesn't make sense. So let's use you and your decision to walk away from your salvation or belief in Jesus, to answer your question and to help make sense of your story. You have chosen to turn away from your belief in God. You have made the decision to not be a child of God. You have rejected His gift of salvation. You have rejected what could save you from hell. You will pay the price for your sins because of that (unless you repent). Now back to the story: if the parent of the child in your story, came to the child and tried to save him/her from the ants, the parent tried to push the ants away, tried to do all he could to save that child, But the child pushed the parent away and fought the parent away, and refused the parent's help, and did everything in his/her power to allow the ants to overcome him/her, And as the parent tried to deliver the child from the ants, the child continued to lay in the ants and embrace them and allow them to kill him/her, then who's fault is that? That would be the child's fault - not the parent. But that is not what is in your story. The child in the story is seeking help from his parent, and will therefore be saved by his parent, regardless of what he said the night before - because a parent would not ignore his child. Again, it doesn't make sense for you to add the ending where the parent just allows that child to suffer and die. You are trying to add it to try to apply it to what Jesus said in Matthew, but you are taking it out of context. In Matthew 7, Jesus is referring to people who claim to be children of God but in fact they are not. They are those, who do not love Him, who do not obey His commands, who do not believe in Him, who have not accepted His gift of salvation. They are those who call themselves children of God because of what they do (their miracles, demon casting out, etc), but their spirit and their heart tell a different story. They do these acts, not because they are children of God, but for other reasons: perhaps for money, for fame, because they think it will earn them a place in heaven, etc. And because of that, they will be cast into the lake of fire. This is different from the child in your story and from your own situation. As I stated above, based on your own words, you have made the choice to walk away, you have chosen the life that is not a life as a child of God. So if you stay that way, you will be thrown into the lake of fire, because of your own decision, not because of Jesus' will. His will is to save you, His hope is to save you. He's already made the way, but you have to accept it and embrace it. If you were his child, He would save you from the ants. But you reject His help. You fight His help. You embrace the killer ants. You are not screaming in agony or in torture. In fact if you were, you would be calling out to Him for salvation. But you are enjoying the ants. Therefore, you are like a child being overcome by killer ants, and God is there, trying to save you, but you don't want to be saved. Therefore, who is really the psychopath? I think everyone would agree it would have to be the one who's embracing the killer ants and enjoying the suffering rather than choosing to be saved.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Threatening me with hell does nothing to me. You basically just added your own spin on an analogy that doesn't make any sense and used the rest of your block of text to preach Pascal's wager to me, which is ineffective and flawed. What child is capable of pushing their parent away for good? Especially if that parent is all powerful and benevolent.

      Additionally - are you really inferring that I'm a psychopath for being unwilling to submit and grovel at the feet of an angry, psychotic tyrant? Lets use another analogy.

      In this scenario, you are a small business owner. The local mob boss comes into your business and tells you that, unless you do what they want, they're going to shoot you in the head. You stand up for yourself and refuse to acquiesce to their demands, so they shoot you. Does that make your death your fault? Of course not. It's the fault of the person that SHOT YOU IN THE HEAD.

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      FriendofTruth 4 years ago from Michigan

      No one is threatening you with hell, I only told you the truth. I also told you that God's will and hope is for you to be saved and for you to be His child - and you take offence at that? and like I said, your story doesn't make sense. Any loving parent would not allow his child to suffer and die if he had the power to save him. And of course no child would reject his parent's extended hand offering salvation. But you again, have answered your own question about what child is capable of pushing their parent away: you, who once was a child of God (Who is all powerful and benevolent), has pushed away their parent . Ezekiel 18.23-24 states: Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. (and in the previous verses God states how when the wicked repents, he will be accepted).

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      FriendofTruth 4 years ago from Michigan

      I think the problem with your scenario is that you are making My Father, out to be a psychotic tyrant or a mob boss - and sorry that just doesn't make sense. But if in your scenario you are not comparing the mob boss with God then of course you standing up and dying would not be your fault. I would love to continue talking with you about this. Trust me I have no ill will towards you. I only want you to be an eternal sister of mine.

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      FriendofTruth 4 years ago from Michigan

      I think the problem with your scenario is that you are making My Father, out to be a psychotic tyrant or a mob boss - and sorry that just doesn't make sense. But if in your scenario you are not comparing the mob boss with God then of course you standing up and dying would not be your fault. I would love to continue talking with you about this. Trust me I have no ill will towards you. I only want you to be an eternal sister of mine. It seems like you are angry with God and mixed up with your perception of Him because God's word and His will does not line up with your will.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      How many times have you read the bible - specifically the old testament? I am calling the god of the bible a tyrant and a mob-boss, yes. Why? Because he is one. He hardens peoples hearts so he can continue to torture them. He lists a whole slew of people - including disobedient children - who should be put to death. He sends two she-bears to maul and murder 42 children because they called a prophet bald. He orders the mass slaughter of thousands of people but orders his people not to murder. He gives laws on how often and how severely you can beat your slaves. He says "obey me, or else I'll torture you forever" How is that a good being who is worthy of worship? Not that you can actually prove that he exists at all.

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      FriendofTruth 4 years ago from Michigan

      Hello again, this is going to be a long response, sorry ‘bout that, but didn’t want to create a hub just to answer.

      1. Hardening Pharaoh’s heart: when God ‘hardened’ the heart of Pharaoh this means God gave him courage, or strengthened his heart. And He did not harden his heart to torture Pharaoh (did you forget to mention the fact that Pharaoh’s father had not too long ago made a decree to kill every Hebrew baby boy? Now that’s torture – torture to the child, torture to the parents, torture to the Hebrew people); but strengthening a heart, that is not done to torture him, because Pharaoh was not tortured by his heart being hardened/strengthened. And later God tells why He hardened “strengthened” Pharaoh’s heart – it was so that he and the people would know that He was God (remember, at the time the Egyptians were worshipping numerous gods, whom after all of God’s miracles – showed beyond compare – that He is the all powerful and only God).

      2. You weren’t specific to Him putting a whole slew of people to death or to the mass slaughters of people – so I can only assume you are trying to refer to when He would command His people to destroy specific nations. So in reference to that – did you know that those peoples that He commanded to be destroyed were in the practice of sacrificing their children and their babies to idols? (Deut. 12.31) Did you know that they would burn their babies and children alive on idols which had pans burning hot? And again – is there no torture in that?

      3. In your reference to the 42 children who were judged – not murdered – these ‘children’ were in reality a group of youth, who were coming against the prophet of God just after he had performed a great miracle in healing the waters of the land. These youth were obviously not children of God, but were most likely Baal worshippers; because rather than being happy and thankful for this great miracle, they were cursing God by their actions which were directed to Elisha. Therefore, when Elisha pronounced judgment upon them, this was in clear reference to God’s Word which states the blessings and cursings that would come upon the people. These youth were blaspheming God and judgment came upon them. There were probably more than 42 people there in the demonstration against Elisha, and out of them all 42 were JUDGED.

      4. In your reference to God giving commands to how often and how severely you can beat slaves is totally false. In Exodus 21 God is giving judgment calls to ‘if’ situations. If this happens, if that happens... And He stated that if a man smite his SERVANT (not slave) that he/she dies, then he would surely be punished. How is that stating God is telling how often and how severely one could beat their “slaves”? God is in fact stating that if a servant dies because a person beat him to death, that person would be punished. He then says that if the servant lives after being smitten the master should not be punished because he is his money – servants worked for their ‘masters’ or ‘redeemers’ and if the servant could not work, that would count as a loss to the master’s household and prosperity – therefore that would be his punishment – losing out on provision because of the beating of his servant. Later, God tells the people that if a man smites his servant’s eye or tooth, then that servant should be freed.

      Now, when you read the scriptures, that clearly does not state what you said it does.

      5. You stated that God says “obey me or I’ll torture you forever”. That is not in scripture. But God does say: “I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd giveth His life for the sheep.” Jesus, the Son of God, God in the flesh, came to earth and poured out His love for you, and for all man-kind. He experienced the torture of His own body and of His own soul in His complete innocence. Yet He took the guilt of our own sins upon Himself and died a horrific death that for those who believe in Him and in what He did, would be saved. And when one truly believes in Him and in what He’s done, their love for Him grows and grows as they continue to get to know Him and to be in personal relationship with Him. And because of this love that one shares with their Holy Father, one does not want to sin against Him nor against their neighbor. And though they may fall or sin, for all fall short, their heart is to continually go to Him and to be restored and to be forgiven and to allow Him to lift them back up again as they continue on the journey of this life together. As for those who you keep referring to, those who are to be cast into the lake of fire, they are those who have chosen to reject the love of God, they have chosen to do things their own way and to pay the price for their sins against God, themselves. They have chosen the lake of fire – everyone has the free will to choose. True submission and worship to God is done out of love. And your misconceptions of God and of the truth, and your opposition to His will, to His ways, and to His love, have caused you to reject Him. You have chosen your own will, not His. Again, His will is to save you, to be in relationship with you, to share the truest of love with Him.

      6. Lastly, you stated “not that I could prove He exists at all”. That coming from you should change the whole analogy that you wrote about the child and the ants. Your statement completely disqualifies everything you have written. Your story should read that the child being overcome by ants was there alone, with no parent even mentioned, with no situation of that child rejecting the parent and the parent ignoring him/her. That child should be the first of his kind, evolved from some sort of animal and just experiencing the sad cycle of evolution – experiencing the struggle for life. Your story about the business owner and the mob boss (who you compare to God) doesn’t make sense, because there would be no mob boss. You cannot have it both ways.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      FriendofTruth:

      1)You think that god “strengthened” Pharaoh’s heart? Lets look to the bible, shall we? Exodus 7:2-4 “You are to say everything I command you, and your brother Aaron is will be your prophet. You are to say everything I command you, and your brother Aaron is to tell Pharaoh to let the Israelites to go out of his country. But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and though I multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in Egypt, he will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment I will bring out my divisions, my people the Israelites.” That says, plain as day, that, although god will give Pharaoh signs and wonders, god will harden Pharaoh’s heart so that he won’t listen. Then in Exodus 8:15 “But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and would not listen to Moses and Aaron just as the lord had said” God hardened pharaoh’s heart. He says it outright. The reason that there were 10 plagues of Egypt was because of god. Not Pharaoh.

      Your point about what Pharaoh’s father did is irrelevant. Do you think it’s moral to blame a child for their parent’s mistakes? Would you think it fair if your father stole a loaf of bread, and you were thrown in jail for it? Probably not. Not to mention the fact that, although Egyptians have some of the most well-documented history of any ancient civilization, there is absolutely NO evidence that mass numbers of Hebrew slaves were enslaved there. At all. Nothing.

      2)You’re saying that because all of those people worshiped the wrong god that they deserved to be slaughtered by the right god? How is that moral? Do you think it’s moral for Christians to use military force to take out every Islamic nation today and murder men, women, children, cows, goats and sheep? That defies the morality of war. If your argument is that they were practicing child sacrifice and that justifies their slaughter, what about 1 Samuel 15:3 “Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys” What did the children and infants due to deserve that? What did the animals do wrong? They were just born to the wrong civilization at the wrong time and believed in the wrong god, apparently. Yet the majority of Christians claim that god is against abortion and is pro-life, while he seems to have no problem with slaughtering innocent children and infants. It gets worse. "Then at the LORD's command, he shouted, "O altar, altar! This is what the LORD says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you." (1 Kings 13:1-2) but god’s against human sacrifice, right? “ Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) Hosea 13:16 “The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their god. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open” This is the same god who says “thou shalt not kill” right?

      That’s rationalizing and justifying a morally repugnant act. At what point do you ask yourself “why do I have to be in the position to make excuses for my god?” If 42 “youths” (which in Jewish culture is anyone under the age of 13-14) said your t-shirt was stupid, would you feel justified in wishing a mountain lion upon them to rip them to pieces? Would that be a moral act? Elisha cursed them in the name of the lord. You are inferring things into the passage to make it more tenable. There is NO indication that they were “idol worshipers”. They called him bald. So the heck what? Is that a good reason to sick bears on them to be ripped to shreds? By what moral standard could you possibly consider that a good thing? Have you LISTENED to yourself lately? If I, as an atheist, was insulted by a group of kids calling me a stupid name and cursed them in the name of a unicorn and they incidentally were killed by a rogue panther, you’d call that moral. Good to know. The majority of Christians I know are more moral than their deity. You, however, are not.

      In this passage: Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT) a lion kills someone for NOT hitting a prophet. It’s ridiculous. It’s even more ridiculous that you find a way to make all of this slaughter a good, positive and moral thing on behalf of your god.

      4)When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) What was the punishment, you ask? Not death.

      There was a huge difference in the way slaves were treated. If it was another Jew, the punishments were more severe. If it was a foreigner, however, they are considered property and they are to be owned forever and passed down as inheritance to your children. Since god had no problem saying “thou shalt not kill (oh but go kill all of these people over here) you’d think that a god who knows everything might mention that owning another human being is immoral, and command his people not to do it. God seems to have missed that point. Do you find slavery to be a moral practice?

      Jesus’ teachings were no better. The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT) According to Jesus, it’s okay to punish someone (lightly) who are not even aware that they’re doing something wrong. That’s not moral.

      I have read the scriptures. In Hebrew (Old Testament) Greek (new Testament) and Latin.

      5) I have no patience for preaching or proselytizing. All I will say is this. “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

      Then he is not omnipotent.

      Is he able, but not willing?

      Then he is malevolent.

      Is he both able and willing?

      Then whence cometh evil?

      Is he neither able nor willing?

      Then why call him God?”

      Epicurus

      6) You don’t seem to understand the concept of debate. In my hub, which you felt compelled to comment on, I was speaking “Christian language” and making an allegory based on an assumed truth from the Christian position. I’m not a Christian. I’m an atheist. I don’t believe in the god of the bible. I’d probably go so far as to say that, on the basis of the Christian faith, the god of the bible does not exist. You don’t seem to understand what an allegory is – or how you can use one in a debate even if it does not line up with your particular beliefs (or lack of beliefs in this case).

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      SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

      JM. Thank you for posting this hub. First of all, I just want to start by saying I am a Christian, and this morning on my "When I cursed God" hub, another Christian called me a heretic for my belief. The biggest problem with most Christians is that they read the bible and interpret it according to their desires and sadly call it "the truth". Scripture suffers more by its exponents than it does by its opponents.

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      jo 4 years ago

      Jim if it is any consolation I fully agree with your opinion of religion as being a serious danger to world peace. Much of what you have to say I have already figured out for myself years ago. Neverthe less my opinions are something I will not thrust on anyone else. This is because in most cases it;s impossible to make religious folk deeply entrenched in the bible nonsense change their minds. Also I hate confrontations

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      Harish Mamgain 3 years ago from India

      JMcfarland, the concept of God was devised by man when things of the world terrified him no end. This fear evoked a feeling of awe in the things of nature and gradually a concept of a Controller of nature came into being and this entity of God ushered in the mental realm of the man. So around the whole world entity of God began to be adored, worshipped in various other names but the reason was the same that when man failed to grasp the causes of earthquakes, storms, floods and so on, concept of a powerful entity or a creator of the whole world came into being. Though many of the secrets of creation are being revealed now but entire revelation has not been grasped by the man. So when mankind is unable to fathom all secrets as yet, the world is divided in two camps- one comprising of believers and the other atheists. This division will remain intact so long as entire revelation is not brought about by the mankind. Though I respect your outlook on God because you have your own reasons to believe so, it cannot be denied that believers have also reasons to toe the path they have chosen for themselves. Having said that, I am of the view that if there is God, He has not devised the absurd concepts of heaven and hell as we humans read in the books , also ,He has not made them as eternal. He has devised a perfect system of heaven and hell and reward and punishment is with proportion of wrongs or rights committed by human beings with provision of release also. As for myself, I worship God this way and I imbibe all the goodness contained in the holy verses of all religious texts and do not approve of the irrelevant stuff whatsoever in any of the religion of the world.

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      Kenneth Avery 3 years ago from Hamilton, Alabama

      Hi, JM,

      Wow . . .what a decisive, poignant and NEEDFUL hub. If Needful were on the choices above, I would have pushed it too. Voted up and all the rest.

      You did a tremendous job of discussing/presenting a sensitive topic.

      Here are a few more ideas I am giving you, not that you need them.

      1. Christians telling that THEY are the only ones to go to Heaven because of Memorials that they have changed to Ordinances;

      2. Demanding ten-percent of the flock's income---Dr. Leroy Thompson, Louisiana, one of Kenneth Copeland's "disciples" has a Shame List on the wall in the front of his church with names of members who have NOT paid HIM his cash dues.

      These individuals have the nerve to tell a struggling Christian like myself that ALL Christians are to be wealthy and never be sick.

      Oh well. I can rant with the best of them.

      I loved your writing. Keep it up. I cordially invite you to check a couple of my hubs and be one of my followers.

      I would love it.

      God bless you.

      Kenneth/ from northwest Alabama

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      Julie McFarland 3 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Thanks for the comment, Kenneth. It is much appreciated, and I am enjoying following your hubs as well.

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      Kenneth Avery 3 years ago from Hamilton, Alabama

      JMcFarland,

      Thank YOU so much for the warm compliment. This hub I am commenting on, is a fine piece of writing. When I am feeling the need to write about Christianity, I just cannot get my thoughts organized as perfect as the subject deserves. (e.g.) "Why Does The Bible Not Reveal Anything About Jesus' Boyhood and Teenage Years?" This has always puzzled me as to why the King James translators chose to not include this important timespan in Jesus' life, but I can live with the comfort of knowing that there is enough in the Bible (present) to guide me to the eternity in the after-life.

      I enjoy your writing. And fervently-encourage YOU to keep up the great hubbing.

      Your friend,

      Kenneth

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      Julie McFarland 3 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Well the translators of the king James version were not writers, they were translators. The texts of the books of the new testament were already established by that era. The infancy gospel of Thomas, which talks about Jesus in his early years was deemed heretical (because young Jesus was kind of a jerk) and excluded from the Canon. When I studied theology in college, it was from a Christian fundamental perspective. After I left the church, however, I started to realize a lot of things that they never told us about the Bible and the early church. It's fascinating stuff, but I think all history and mythology is fascinating. Doesn't mean I believe any of it.

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      Kenneth Avery 3 years ago from Hamilton, Alabama

      The views and opinions are endless of science, theology, mythology as well as evolutionary degrees of study. I just stick to the basics and explore my natural curiosity mostly to learn and say at day's end . . .I have grown some.

      I do enjoy your talent, JMcFarland. Keep up the great work.

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