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The concept of pro abortion and catholic. The concept is bizarre. These issues must be cleaned up.

Updated on December 7, 2013

How simple a concept,,, How tortured by the world.

Love is not of this world, no restrictions, no law, just love.
Love is not of this world, no restrictions, no law, just love. | Source

Being just plain mean as never yielded results that I have seen.

Abortion at all is a terrible thing. We should all do our best to prevent situations where it is even phathomable. But above all, just like the soldiers in a war we do not approve, we must lift up the women faced with such tragedy and guide them back to abundant self worth and Love.


So I am just minding my own business and this cars’ bumper screams at me. I did not catch it at first so I stopped to take a look. Yes for sure the bumper sticker was yelling at me and making no sense, but making it loudly. As I bent over to slap the sticker, I realized the owner probably did not even get the ridiculousness of their own speech.

Do Certain Zealots just not care?

Now I belong to the catholic church. All that word means is universal and as in harmony, for the love of Christ. Catholic the proper name of a church organization has something like 15 recognizable factions that are not in harmony. Most westerners recognize the Popes’ church in Vatican City in Rome, of course they are called Roman Catholics and they are by no means accepted as universal. Catholic was a very smart name to choose for a church. So many use it. But have no doubt the proper name is not synonymous with the notion of universal worship of Christ.

Abortion in this case is the ending or aborting of life. It has not negative or positive connotations of it’s own. Lives of all creatures cease or are aborted for many reasons. Certainly picking a head of lettuce aborts the lettuce’s life. Aborting a military mission is clearly elevating the mission to a living thing. But that is OK, it makes it’s point.

Nonsensical at best, harmful and hurtful at least.

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Distancing ourselves from those in travesty, is harmful and just down right ugly.

Now I am not afraid to speak of the issue of abortion so I have spoken to many about it, as relates to a woman and an unborn child. Judges, Doctors, women that have them, Priests and health officials on the periphery. I swear I have never met a single person or even heard of them that are pro or for abortions. (caveat here is China – strange workings over there).

Pro-abortion does not exist in reasonable minds. Even if they felt that way they would not confess it publicly. There is no pro-abortion group. There is not a pro-abortion movement in the West. So most assuredly you could be a devout Catholic and pro-abortion and you could be Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hide. Because of the ridiculous claim of the sticker it requires a ridiculous explanation.

Why would a Christian rub salt in wounds already too much to bear.

I think it was Dobie Grey that sang “Drift Away”. I wish I could be there for any young woman who has been damaged by such careless words that hurt so bad, and just give em a beat so they can drift away from this sometimes heartless world.

Now back to where I started, the owner of the sticker probably does not know fully the concepts involved in their sticker. But somebody does and someone is really messing with heads of less sophisticated individuals. Someone produced that sticker and convinced the buyer to promote the idea thereon by displaying in on their car. That is really sad. And I think it shows that someone is full of hate. And you cannot be filled with hate and be catholic or Catholic. The really nice thing about that bumper sticker is that it shows hypocrisy at it’s finest. Just think of the 14 year old girl that was beaten and raped by her brother and injured so bad that carrying the fetus to full term would 90% cause death of both. Forget if it is right or wrong in the situation, irrelevant to my point. Think of the harm that bumper sticker could cause her and her fragile self. Christian catholic or not are clearly not to act in such a flagrant and clear case of hate. I am disgusted and embarrassed regardless of the underlying issue. And just to be clear – My adopted father was a doctor, a woman came to him for an abortion. Between them they chose against it and my father agreed to adopt her child, his wife agreed. About 8 months later I was brought home to live a life of abundance and grace. So I have my own bent, but I could not imagine hurting others to drive it home.

Elvis is and was cool.

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Do you ever chose to do harm for a cause?

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The cost of Cancer Cures

I was just minding my own business and actually in great health and along came a real bad gut ache. It took too long to diagnose the problem and by then I was Stage 4, non-hodgkins lymphoma with pancreatic involvement.

It was truly looking like a waste of time and money to "save" me from death by the disease. I mean it made sense just to die without all the cost and bother. But for some reason I never even considered dying. I do not know why for I am fairly practical and logical. But the alternative to fighting to live never really crossed my mind. And that was after I understood the pain and disabilities I would suffer.

In other words my choices were made without a notion of not doing all I could to live.

I think that likewise my father as a medical doctor when a woman came to him for an abortion, grasped logical alternatives to giving birth to a baby, but he never considered it an option. And so I was born and adopted by him.

But I cannot try to harm those making such decisions for themselves. I just cannot consider attacking them. Pray for them, help them, love them but cause them harm is just inconceivable.

The above sticker reflects the worst of all Christians. And they even cause me harm.

Right here are two guys that logically should not exist.

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Let us conclude with some clear concepts

Taking the life of a living being is bad.

Taking away someone's right to live is bad.

Harming others in order to prevent the bad is also bad.

Some people are faced with decisions where all options are bad.

We hope that they can find the option that provides life.

We should want to help these people and love them.

Attacking and saying hurtful things to them or about them is not good.

And yet we all must do what we feel is right.

We are not alone in this world and we are not the judges of people of this world. No one anywhere has given anyone that right. However in proper places and circumstances where harm will not be caused we must stand tall and firm and fight for our strongly held belief.

Why would a person who would abhor civilian casualties in any war cause casualty to those affected by this topic? I would hope they would not develop a scorched earth policy and harm young struggling people who have it hard enough as it is.

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Beauty is and shall be a large portion love and a small portion of whatever. I do not care what you believe, if you show love and act in love we are one.

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      Jessica Ellen Holbrook 5 years ago from Newark, DE, USA

      Thats what people have the hardest time comprehending. Good point. But isn't it just sad that soo many people are unaware of what it really means to be loved? Thats why we have to show them. And the best part is that it's contagious. If you got it you just gotta spread it! LOL

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      The other day I hugged a teenage boy and told him I love him during my sermon. I do love him. Many a teenage snicker in the church. Until I asked them to think about it. Then we all did a massive group hug and life was a bit better. All of us were worthy of being loved.

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      Jessica Ellen Holbrook 5 years ago from Newark, DE, USA

      No one of us is. Not one.

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Agreed. As you earlier pointed out I wrote it with a neutral tone, perhaps it is I who am most unworthy.

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      Jessica Ellen Holbrook 5 years ago from Newark, DE, USA

      I didn't mean to have a condemning tone. If it came across as such please accept my apologies. This is a heated subject with many variables. Not everyone will agree with each other. It sure is interesting to see and try to understand other perspectives on the matter.

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Violetheaven I agree with your premise. But I admit we should not go so far in the condemnation, that we become like them. This seperation between Love and Christian churches is only fixable by our Love.

      I just love the song "They will know we are Christians by our Love"

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      JD you are hitting the issue right on the head. I think I lean toward, do no harm as opposed to teaching a lesson. Our strongest duty to others that we can fulfill everyday is a guiding hand and a lift to another's spirit. Conversely the biggest disservice is no hand at all and passing judgment. So I totally agree that sometimes the hand that guides must be strong and strict. But in this case the concept of pro abortion is not even clever. It is meant to do harm.

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      Jessica Ellen Holbrook 5 years ago from Newark, DE, USA

      Its about the person the message is trying to reach's interpretation of it. The stickers statement is coming across as if they are readers of the heart and soul and can determine someones worthiness for or standing with their personal salvation. As for every true christian knows, only God can read hearts. Only God is the judge. And Jesus came to die for all sins. The wage of sin is death and that all sin has the same wage. Knowing all sin has the same wage, does it matter the sin? We all sin... and we are to surrender ourselves to God via acceptance of Jesus as the wage. The work of Christ on a life does not cease altogether with a persons moment of surrender and acceptance of Christ... but is a life long development of learning enlightenment and growing. If a person is Christian from the moment of surrender and acceptance, than how can anything God is working on with that person negate the Christian-ship? We can never be fully aware of the works of God, or the blessings or depths of the love of God because they are vast beyond our comprehension. The bumper sticker is a sign that proclaims a know it all attitude.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      The form of rebuke you're addressing is that between oneself and a brother in the Lord. You go to that person individually and it doesn't involve others, unless s/he does not hear you or repent. Then, you take one other, and if s/he still does not hear you or repent, then involve the church leadership. The examples of rebuke I gave are not about private rebuke, but rather PUBLIC.

      I respect the fact you find this bumper sticker offensive or hurtful, but I don't find it so. I think it makes a bold statement that needs to provoke the reader, however the LORD will use it to His glory. Would you not put a bumper sticker on your car that says, "Jesus Saves"? or "God loves you"? This will most certainly offend others - so why do it? Oh! Love.

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      JD I definately see your point. Clearly setting boundaries and adherence to the Word is really important. But we are also specifically told how to do a rebuke and it involves others and our worship community. Not a bumper sticker that is harmful. Proclaiming an act sinful is well and good unless the proclamation is hurtful in itself.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Hey, I'm a mother that escaped a violent environment and no derrogatory intent was meant. Should I have aborted my child because I wouldn't remain in an abusive marriage? Absolutely not. She is my blessing and God has faithfully looked out for us.

      You stated, "Making it much safer and convenient than PP". Making WHAT safer? Abortion? And only an 'elder' can rebuke? The Bible says "If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him." Rev 5:10 tells me, "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

      James 5:20 "let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

      People's concept of 'LOVE' is that love is tolerant. Jesus never sinned yet called hypocrites as such (Mat 23:13); called them a 'brood of vipers' (Mat 12:34), 'whitewashed sepulchres full of dead men's bones" (Mat 23:27) and "of their father, the devil" (John 8:44). His disciples were no different. Rebuke means to chide, admonish, warn; yet, it also is a form of 'honor'.

      Agape love is about rebuke and speaking against evil, telling the truth. God IS Agape. He both saves and condemns. Phileo love is that of friendship. James 4:4 tells us clearly, "You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." Wait? I thought "God so loved the world"? See, we must have Spiritiual understanding.

      John 15:13 "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends."

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      Jessica Ellen Holbrook 5 years ago from Newark, DE, USA

      You know I love the "unwed mother" facet of the popular christian movement. The very use of this term indicates that there is some sort of difference between the morality and dignity of wed and unwed mothers. It is an imposed judgment against the unwed mothers, that causes yet more segregation and ignorance. If a woman is married when a child is conceived yet endures abuse during that relationship and divorces and leaves she is then viewed as an unwed mother if she chooses to keep the child or gets custody. unwed does not equal unfit or a person without morals.

      While I agree that our tax money shouldn't be going to planned parenthood I believe that the money should be going back into our community health centers with OBGYN and other sexual health clinics. These are the centers with complete health care at reduced cost or even free care. They can offer counseling services and primary care follow-up all in house. Making it much safer and convenient than PP. They also operate at lower costs for the same services as PP. So it would be getting more use of the money. The social services that work for adoption could use a boost too. I agree that these issues are just some of the reasons Obama needs to be out. But these aren't the only issues to be considered.

      Rebuking a person in a specific situation publicly via a bumper sticker is not the loving way to do so. If we are to do all things in love, it makes more sense to actually know the person and the situation dynamics through more than a few personal conversations.

      True rebuke is done only when a detailed understanding of the individuals situation has been counseled on by someone learned and living by the word. An elder, from which their faith has stood the test of time and remains firm. Therefore mass rebuke is not ideal in this situation. The good-concept behind this bumper sticker is clouded and distorted by the ignorance it perpetuates.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      Taken from this source: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-sum/q-life005.ht...

      "Although pregnancy as a result of either rape or incest is extremely rare, it is not relevant to the case for abortion on demand, the position defended by the popular pro-choice movement. This position states that a woman has a right to have an abortion for any reason she prefers during the entire nine months of pregnancy, whether it be for gender-selection, convenience, or rape. To argue for abortion on demand from the hard cases of rape and incest is like trying to argue for the elimination of traffic laws from the fact that one might have to violate some of them in rare circumstances, such as when one's spouse or child needs to be rushed to the hospital. Proving an exception does not establish a general rule."

      That bumper sticker may seem insensitive to the true victims, but it's intended to rebuke those who support 'choice' in the larger scheme of things. Who are the true victims in that bigger picture? The millions of babies aborted every year. We need to speak out for them, for they have no voices here.

      "Jane Roe" of Roe v. Wade ended up NOT having an abortion, and is spending the remainder of her life trying to reverse that ruling. Women who suffer the after-math of abortion are the greatest witnesses to those considering such an action.

      We don't need tax-payer dollars funding Planned Parenthood; we need to be funding adoption centers or homes for unwed mothers. Obama has now made it legal to choose abortion based on gender! We need to GET HIM and his administration OUT of the White House and fight for LIFE.

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Violetheaven, That is very good. Perhaps our message should be that if you put Love first, then you will avoid causing harm. If you put anything above Love you will harm someone.

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      Jessica Ellen Holbrook 5 years ago from Newark, DE, USA

      I think love heals more wounds than hate. In fact hate incites further woundedness. What this particular subject and its subtle message has got me questioning is, how many wounded girls/women are walking around with a Burden of a wound already, and having it incite?. While the facts are the facts. Abortion is the ending of a life that has already sprung and the Bible states that God is the one who holds the keys to life and death, and ending a life does try to usurp will over Gods hand. Abortion destroys a woman. There are legions of women who suffer the effects of abortion. In every way. Emotionality, mentally, physically and, spiritually. They often get depressed and go crazy after experiencing it. The guilt weighs down on them so heavy that it crushes them in spirit. Instead of using the situation as a platform for the glory of the kingdom, of using it as a stepping stone towards the love of God, to often it is seen as an invitation by the hypocrites to condemn and try to separate the victim from community, and confuse them about the direction to and the place of forgiveness and redemption. Bumper stickers like such, inadvertently intimidate, confuse and, harm.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      You know, I often hear people say "It is not ours to judge" and many variations of "Judge not, let ye be judged" - again, pulling those words out of context, we think we're not to judge! Speaking of hypocrites, THIS is the criteria - Do not judge in hypocrisy! Not, 'Do not judge'!

      Romans 2:1 “Therefore you have no excuse, every one of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for YOU WHO JUDGE PRACTICE THE SAME THINGS. And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and DO THE SAME YOURSELF, that you will escape the judgment of God?”

      1 Cor 6:3 tells us, "Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?"

      So what's this about "once baptized a Catholic, always a Catholic"? Can an infant make such a choice? That's like, if you're born of an Islamic father, you are Muslim and if you ever leave you are considered an apostate and sentenced to death.

      Yet another Roman Catholic stamp of indoctrinated ownership. No one is baptized into Peter [Petros = pebble] or the Pope - a church made with hands and built by man. Repentant believers are baptized into the body of Christ (the Petra=Rock), who is the head of the Church made without hands (Mark 14:58), for born again believers ARE the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 6:19).

      Here's the Greek verse for Mat 16:18: http://biblos.com/matthew/16-18.htm (cross-ref 1 Cor 10:4).

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      Rich 5 years ago from Kentucky

      In 1969, I did a term paper on abortion. That's over four decades ago. Yet, today, the issue still exists. Why? Because people are people and will always believe as they wish.

      I'm not going to state my opinions on the issue as they are my own. I will say that the hate demonstrated to those that believe is as ridiculous as the their belief that they're following the word. It is not ours to judge, yet, this is an area that is easily cast off. How can they blame others for casting away what they don't believe in when they set the example?

      Hypocrisy rules. We each will face our maker for what we've done on this world. To exhibit hate for another because of their belief system will be one of those items either checked yes or no.

      Good Hub, Eric. Thought provoking.

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      They better love old fat boy me or they got some issues. I reckon nowadays we just kick em to the curb if they sin in our view. Perhaps this hub was more about same sex couples as it is about abortion.

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      Christopher Antony Meade 5 years ago from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom

      I always thought that "once a Catholic, always a Catholic", as long as you are baptised one.

      That is no matter what views you hold on anything.

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      My love grows with inspiration from those with who love.

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      What is it? The light so pure but so ruined by human need for achievement. I am not the light but I promise those who follow will not themselves decieve. I reject human accoladets and beg for Christian ones.

      JD stay your course and let us learn by it.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      What I can say about 'religious doctrines' is they are masked as "Light", but bring about sin and death.

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Miss Violetheaven your words are well spoken and reflect much of my own sentiment. But I am ill equiped to match hate with hate. Even these folks I must love and try to understand. Wow what a task. I must literally and figuritively drop to a knee and beg forgiveness for them and myself.

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      Eric Dierker 5 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Miss Judah's daughter I beg your further participation in discussion. Your wisdom is without comparability. Muchas Gracias.

      Let us take the abortion debate to a head and let us bring that head to a Love that is as consistent with passion as it is with dogma.

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      Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA

      I understand the bumper sticker from a Roman Catholic point of view - no birth control allowed - so it's no surprise that a large number of Catholic women turn to abortion. The RCC doctrine propogates the 'unrestrained' birth of children, while many of their members end up turning to abortion to limit the resulting size of their families.

      I say an egg is just an egg until it is fertilized. If anyone believes all eggs are babies, then a woman aborts every month she does not conceive. That's ridiculous. Birth control simply keeps eggs from being fertilized and gives husbands and wives a choice to have a child or not. And frankly, both husband and wife would have a much better intimate life, not having to worry about having child after child after child. It's expensive to raise children properly, and no one should have to have a large family or abstain from their intimate life to make sure that doesn't happen.

      Abortion IS killing an innocent child, from the time the egg is fertilized. Yes, that bumper sticker makes an ironic point.

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      Jessica Ellen Holbrook 5 years ago from Newark, DE, USA

      I love that your view here is not one of pro-choice verses pro-life. Its one of a deeper more empathetical view, where We don't know what brings someone to consider abortion. We don't know everyone or everything.

      The bumper sticker would have been more accurate to the sticker placers ideology if it said, "You cannot be a Catholic Church Zombie after the apocalypse if You choose to support ending the life of an unborn fetus for any reason whatsoever... because Catholic Doctrine says so and we must follow it no questions asked... Oh and Birth control is just as bad. Catholics agree with the human head of the catholic church at all times or burn in hell! Because Jesus died for all sins except abortion of a human fetus."

      thats my opinion anyway.