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The most ridiculous religious argument ...EVER!
aguasilver states the following....
"The bible clearly tells us that God has predestined all mankind to either salvation or damnation, we have no sway in this matter, God decides who will be blessed or not.
God knows their condition before they are born.
Unbelievers are incensed that God has not consulted them, but although they can come to faith (I was 41 before I stopped my rebellion) it's God, not us that has decided their condition."
Let us set aside the reasons why I am not a believer. I have stated them before, and will probably state them again, but let us assume for the moment that I am merely a lost soul who, as yet, has not found God, but am willing to keep studying and keep looking.
Well, if I was to accept the above quote, by fellow Hubber aguasilver, my immediate reaction would be, why bother to keep looking?
If it is true that God knows us, and the path that we will take, even before we are born, the notion of us having the option to find salvation becomes redundant. If "God has predestined all mankind to either salvation or damnation", then it would appear that we are but characters in a book whose fate has been decided in advance by the author, and regardless of what we believe or don't believe, our destiny is already signed, sealed and delivered.
Such an argument blatantly contradicts the notion of free will. We actually have NO choice. God has already MADE the choice on our behalf. If indeed this is the way of the Lord, then a murderer would be justified claiming in a court of law, "I have not sinned. I have performed an act that was predestined by God, for which I cannot be held personally responsible."
By the same token, a true Christian would have to draw the line at condemning Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Harold Shipman, et al, for their atrocities, on the grounds that they were acting as God dictated in His masterplan.
Well forgive me for being self-righteous, but I happen to believe that I DO have choices, between good and evil. My conscience guides me in every decision that I make, and when I make a bad decision, I take personal responsibility for it.
Furthermore, if God has already predestined damnation for a percentage of the population, from where can we draw the notion that He is a loving God? What parent would bring a child into the world with the certain knowledge that the child was going to burn in the eternal hell fires? There is no rhyme nor reason to such a notion!
If predestintion is a truth, then I am not writing this because I am an atheist, but because God is in control of what I write!
aguasilver claims to have been 41 before ceasing to rebel against God, and yet, how can it be 'rebellion' when it was clearly NOT aginst God, but actually by God's design?
So please declare your hand, aguasilver. Either predestination is a nonsense, or free will is a nonsense. You can't have it both ways!