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Tips on Explaining and Defending Atheism in a Conversation

Updated on February 18, 2013

This photo is awesome. Nature is awesome. Stick with that.

What we share in common might just be far more persuasive than our differences.
What we share in common might just be far more persuasive than our differences. | Source

Enjoy yourself. Anger is a bad sales technique

An atheist just like a theist does not need to defend their beliefs. But when they chose to they should do it well.

What fool in his right mind would want to abandon faith so he can be miserable. Not me. It is just a suggestion to lighten up. We would not join a church that is all bummed out and pissed off so why would we want to join an atheist that is likewise?

I would suggest a more upbeat approach to life. Misery may love company, but no one wants to be in the company of misery. Many atheists just come on with a "you are an absolute idiot" mindset to faithers. I just don't think most people think that is attractive. In fact it is yuckee.

In truth the beauty and majesty of science and biology and natural facts are wonderful and delightful. Go with that approach, mas bueno. Go with the beauty of the natural order of the scientific world. Present the stability and security that goes with being certain.

Ego and a competitive attitude are losers

I would just suggest that most atheists are brighter than most Christians. But I would also say that most Christians that think enough and care enough to write publicly are brighter than most atheists that do. Great Atheist writers often condescend, great Christian writers think they ascend, neither is good.

Humility is supposedly a Christian trait -- hmph hmph, I say bullshit. However, humility on the part of an atheist is awesome and greatly credible. If we look to nature and to the skies above and realize what a small part we are, we should stand in awe of that greatness. If we look to the damage that man causes and also to the relative insignifacance of how we effect our planet it is humbling to any person.

Teach the others the wonderment of life, rather than looking for the error in their ways.

That is ancient for the Southwest. It means nothing biblical but it is cool in showing Piute art and culture.

Geronimo's faith was real. If you say it is not, you are just saying you disrespect him.
Geronimo's faith was real. If you say it is not, you are just saying you disrespect him. | Source

Denigration and lack of respect for another's faith, is the same as saying you are better than them. If that is your attitude, know this; I know better than you

Legalistic approaches and putting values on acceptance of science is like pissing into a fan. It is just an ugly sight to see someone else say to someone "walk this way", or you walk wrong. I love you man and get your point but do not respect how you try to impose it on me. I know that is the atheists bullshit lament but it is about two decades old of being out of date. Do not come off like a HUGE NASTY MEAN Christian forced something on you --- so old school and now so irrelevant. This notion that justifies all attacks on faithful is worn out and pre-internet, pre- 2001 and a total coppout justification to be angry. End it or look the fool.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      I'm sorry, but I don't believe that writing a hub to give suggestions to atheists (which you are not one) is the most profitable way to open the door to open and honest conversation. In fact, based on the part of your hub I actually read, I find it to be the opposite.

      How would you feel if a known atheist like myself gave you tips on how to be a better christian? I have a feeling that you wouldn't take kindly to that. I understand that you think atheists have been mean to you or critical of your beliefs. I don't criticize you as a person, but I do criticize your beliefs. Do you understand that they are two different things and not one and the same?

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      How about the fact that I am a known and understood. I have the coveted degree in philosophy. I have been an atheist. I am most qualified to speak. Are you?

      Think thusly my antagonistic friend. In science, law and sophistry I am an atheist. By accident of love and acceptance and faith I am a theist.

      I am a rampant lover of life. Stupid, without proof and childlike. I love you. Condemn me for that.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Eric .... I love it! I got a chuckle out of it and can imagine you saying it. Agreeable disagreement is the key!

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I thought this area of participation was poorly done. There is no money in this endeavor. But it is possibly a place and a void that one without boundaries is meant to be. I will be guided by Him, through you.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      To God be the glory!

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      Who's condemning? I'm just pointing it out. I also don't think that disagreeing with a post or point necessarily makes me antagonistic. I wasn't mean-spirited or harsh. Just disagreeing.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      You are correct JMc. You were not being antagonistic. I think Eric is referring to other Hubs.

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      Julie McFarland 4 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

      I see. I missed that point when he called me "my antagonistic friend". good to see you again, Diane.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      You too JMc. I am really, really busy these days. I tried to look at Hot Topic but it's way over my head.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sigh! Good job Eric! I don't choose to get involved in the comment discussion....good job, Eric!

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      Spikology 4 years ago

      Good article, Eric (although I don't agree atheists are brighter than theists, lol). I do feel like there is a double standard on Hubpages between Theists and atheists, because I have been called a liar, idiot, and other things despite the fact I have never insulted anyone or pushed my views on anyone. I only expressed them. It is natural that when someone pushes you to push back, so I think a lot of atheists could try to be a "velvet hammer" so to speak.

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      eastbayco 4 years ago

      Good article. I know what you mean! You get those hubbers like getitrite and mark knowles who just troll through the philosophy articles and instigate arguments. What they don't realize is they make believers take a stronger stance, therefore they hurt their cause. Take Chick Fil A for example. That boycott kind of backfired on gay rights activists. They had record sales! People never learn.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      JMc, I think "antagonistic friend", is accurate, well our beliefs are antagonistic at least. But I think our on line relationship is very friendly. You definitely are not mean spirited or harsh. You are a poster boy for this hub.

      Thanks Diane, I think your's comments show us the ease in which we can discuss.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I really like your comment Spikology. Because there is a dual standard, and it is a beautiful one: The theist has no proof for her belief, so she must prove it by her actions and words. The poor atheist can only argue about things, so I imagine there is some frustration there. Accept the issues with compassion -- which you do. Thanks for the comment.

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      Spikology 4 years ago

      Thank you, keep up the great hubs!

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      eastbayco, Thank you. I see a trickier problem that is caused but it is the same issue. Most theists of depth and maturity will not engage at all with those who do not converse politely. I understand. But it takes from the rest of us a great pool of knowledge, experience and wisdom, so that is too bad.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you Billy, the guiding light of your presence, will be here.

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      bizarrett81 4 years ago from Maine

      As an atheist, I get incredibly irritated when Christians attack me or say "I will pray for you". But I also get equally irritated when other atheists completely attack believers and degrade them, call them names, etc. I am not a believer, but I am not a violent, mean spirited person. Instead, as you said, I love life!! I love finding the natural beauty and wonder in everything. I am an atheist for my own reasons, because all of the endless books I have read on the subject, on the universe, on physics, quantum mechanics, psychology, neuroscience, etc. I also was born and raised in a very strict Apostolic church.

      This raises a point that for when i DO have a problem with Christians. Do what you want, just don't try to push it on me. I am much more knowledgable in those areas then most people think when first conversing with me, and I get very defensive and angry when Christians or believers seem to get angry with me and call me stupid, ignorant, or even worse"falling for lies of science". I don't understand how "lies" and "science" could ever be in the same sentence. Science might get it wrong sometimes, but that's the difference between religion and science-when science fucks up, they admit it...

      For the record, it is not "God" that I have any problem with... soemtimes I look at the sunset and its glory and think, that is just too beautiful to be random, something had to create this... But I DO have a problem with organized religion based on things that happened thousands of years ago during times of superstition and when people practiced magic. These books they cling to or throw scripture around from were all written by MEN and rewritten and erased and changed and things omitted and added.... History was written by the winners... and so was religion... I hope I have not offended anyone, because that is never my intention. I am simply explaining why I am the way I am and believe what I believe, and to say, I enjoyed your Hub, although I am slightly confused as to what your beliefs are... Voted up anyways!

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you so much for you wonderful comment, Bizarrette. What you just did was explain yourself well, and that was pretty much what the hub was about.

      I tried not to infuse my beliefs in this hub, that is beliefs about Spirituality.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Sounds like agreeable disagreement to me!

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