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THE DEBATE ON GUN CONTROL AND THE NON VIOLENT MESSAGE OF JESUS

Updated on March 14, 2013

WHEN JESUS ENTERED JERUSALEM HE CARRIED A SAMURI SWORD AND WAS FOLLOWED BY TWELVE NINJAS

One of the things I can never understand about Americans is how much they seem to love and embrace the teaching of Jesus and how much they love and embrace the idea of owning guns without limit. Maybe I'm the one who's crazy but the two seem to me an exercise in mixing oil and water. The two don't really want to mix but Americans being really savy in the kitchen know if you shake these two ingredients vigorously enough it will form a cream like substance which you can then use to ones tasty advantage when cooking special breads and such. Now I have looked to no end and havent been able to find any cook book by Jesus. I do know his story that is related as some kind of miracle of his sermon on the mount and how he fed the crowd that came to hear him with just two loafs of bread. I dont know what you think happened but I have my own ideas on what transpired on that fateful day. First off who goes to an outdoor show without a little tail gating in mind or bringing a picnic basket full of goodies. Of course those who can do and those who cannot just eyeball those stuffing their mouths. Knowing Jesus he instantly found fault with those who came to listen to him but were not willing to share their bounty with their have not neighbors at the love in. He must have said, I only have two loafs of bread and a few small fish and I cannot feed everyone. Therefore you must love thy neighbor and share your food with them or else your at the wrong mountain. And so it was.

Now you might think this piece is written by me to get laughs but you couldnt be more wrong. But it does lead me to wonder if Jesus ever told any jokes. Im no biblical scholar but I havent come across any joke books by Jesus either. I think he was one seriously troubled dude. Why else would he dare to go wandering into the hell of the desert all alone and risk an agonizing death by dehydration. He was looking for something that was of the ultimate importance to him and the future of humanity. He was searching for the inspirational events that would enable him to have the truth reveiled to him and he risked nothing less then death on his vision quest for this ultimate truths of truths. After living through his horrible days in the desert he was more serious then ever. Im guessing after that test he would not suffer fools lightly for that would only hinder his way, now his lifes work in spreading the word of love that he risked his very life on.

That said I get the feeling if Jesus was to come back today there would be trouble brewing. I can see him showing up at gun shows and overturning the tables. As far as I know Jesus carried no weapons of any kind. He was the ultimate man of peace and love NOT war, vengence or violence. Alot of American seem downright perplexed by Jesus and how he would have interpreted our second amendment. I get the feeling they would rather NOT think about such trivial matters as a big migrain headache might split their very heads apart such is the seeming contradiction. After all Jesus was a reformer and he was trying to improve the lot of mankind. He even said something to the effect of turning your swords into plowshares. Imagine that. What the hell was he thinking? Didnt he know the world is a dangerous place and people have to defend themselves. Im sure he did as Judaea was a dangerous place back then. But he dared to say it anyway because the very nature and truth of his revolutionary message was hinged on it. He was asking people to take nothing less then a tremendous leap of faith with him. Many of his faithful followers died as he did on the cross. They made this monumental leap of faith as they sacrificed their very lives rather then fighting the forces seeking to destroy them. They willingly went to their deaths by choosing Jesus and the love and courage Jesus brought to their lives. Many were so inspired by this sacrifice enabled by his message of peace through love that they were drawn to it as if moths to a flame.

Let me say right here Im no Christian. Hell Im not even religious in the ordinary sense of the word. But I am fascinated by human psychology, human history, human civilzation and how religions have played out in human developement over time. People like Buddha, Jesus, Moses, Confucius, Lao-tzu, Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr. ect. are giants of human history. They simply cannot be ignored. Sadly however after studying world religions for awhile and reading many books I came to a very sad conclusion. That events in the real world over time corrupted the original message of Jesus teachings. You know that game of telephone where you get say 40 people in a line and whisper a message and by the time it gets relayed through all 40 people the message just isnt the same. It's a shame Jesus didnt keep a diary or write a book during his life time. Most of the gospels were written at least forty years or so after his death. This explains the contradictions between the gospels and the understanding of just who Jesus was.This is indeed important because it opened the door for the slow deterioration of his valuable message over time. Man is like salty air to metal. The bridge Jesus sought to build between humans for all time was bound to fail under the stresses of man's fears. And thats just what happened. Jesus was awesome in his courage and one of the key parts to his message like that of the Buddha's was NOT to fear. He knew well that fear was a very corrosive part of the human psyche. His message of faith was to dispell that debilitating fear and replace it with love and understanding. Unfortunately as the years passed after his death much lesser men took up his cause and dared to replace it with their own sick interpretations of what it meant to follow in his path. One lunatic cleric around a hundred years after his death had the balls to sow the seeds of hate NOT love by blaming the Jews for his death. This dire stone of hate not love killed Jesus for a second time and forever changed the course of what we call the Christian church. Jesus did warn his followers against such people speaking for him but people being what they are, essentially weak, fearful and greedy, the die had now been cast and the damage done. It was now alright to preach hate and fear. It was even now ok for Christians to twist the truth if it served what seemed a bigger purpose even though Jesus said it clearly over and over. Love thy enemies, turn the other cheek, let those without sin cast the first stone, turn your swords into plow shares, if you plow and look back you have no faith, why do you see the speck in your brothers eye but not notice the log that is in your own eye. You must remove the log from your eye before you remove the speck from your brothers eye, you hypocrite. He also said while on the cross forgive them for they know not what they have done, bless his soul. By the way I do not believe generally speaking that there is any substantial proof that the Romans in fact didnt kill him and that they were responsible for his death on the cross. For one thing if the cleric had the balls to call the Romans murderers he probably knew he would be crucified. Jesus would have prefered that to his living and spewing the garbage of hate in his name instead of his message of love. But apparently this suspect clerics faith was as weak as his message and sadly so it went.

Before long Christians were killing Christians over silly notions like, was he a real man or was he actually God in man's form. What silly crap if you ask me. Sorry but the blood lust for ultimate power through religious abuse really burns me up. Hey I probably would have been burn at the stake. Lucky for me I wasnt around then. Are ideas like that truly worth betraying the eternal message of peace and love Jesus died for? Is that really worth killing your neighbor for, a stranger for, yet alone another Christian for? The messages of Jesus indicate that on this very contentious point the differing schools of thought should have settled on a peaceful compromise and respectfully agree to disagree. Jesus surely would have prefered that to murder and war. But of course that would have meant allowing competing ideas among Christians and that could not be tolerated even though Jesus was all about peace through toleration. Christianity had now descended into the very bowels of hell on earth and they did it with pomp and theatrical flare for Christ sakes!! Every time a so called Christian killed someone for fear of losing the ultimate power over the message of Jesus they drove a stake through his heart as if he was some kind of blood thirsty vampire. What the hell were they thinking? Something tells me that the greedy religious murderers figured that after the killing ended they would call in a "cleaner" and clean up the bloody mess and hide it all under the rug of history. These people sought that very kind of corrupting ultimate power and they were using the dear peace loving Jesus to pull it off. But the truth is once they started killing they found they couldnt stop. These Christians were the very embodiment of greed and fear. They had to control every religious idea and they had to eliminate everone who disagreed with their story line that Jesus was in fact a GOD. Now maybe Im just stupid but if Jesus really was GOD would he allow all these lunatics to destroy his eternal message of peace through love. Good time for a major miracle to stop this nonsense if you ask me. This was a clear case of religion run amok. You know what Jesus said about such people? He said how hard will it be for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of GOD? It is easier for a camel rope to pass through the eye of a needle then for rich men to enter the kingdom of GOD.

I ask you is this not the same sort of Christianity that many Americans practice today. Not so much driven by true faith and love, but fear, distrust, hate and power? Why do so called God fearing Christians feel the need to demand the right to own and stockpile assault weapons of enormous killing power? These are NOT hunting rifles or defensive guns for home security but weapons of mass murder when in the wrong hands. The NRA likes to say guns dont kill people people kill people. But the truth is unstable people are extemely dangerous when they are able to access assault type weapons. Its a fact that these assault type weapons are designed to kill in large numbers unlike hunting rifles or regular guns. Yes people kill people but assault weapons make it possible for a sick person with no real skill to kill large numbers of people in short order leaving little time for victims to escape. Sad to say assault type weapons make killing people FUN. Ted Nugent said the second amendment was a great experiment in freedom or something to that effect. Well I think its time to end this part of the experiment. He states that the average citizen should have the right to possess the same type of weapons used by the President of The United States secret service security detail. Now really does that sound right to you or do you think Nugent has gone totally bonkers? This amendment was written at a time when militias played a part in our state and national defense when rifles took ten to twenty seconds to load. Now we are talking about the freedom to own assault weapons that can fire almost twenty rounds in one second or can fire perhaps fifty rounds without needing to reload. Where is the rational comparison. There is NONE. The members of the NRA like to present themselves as the bastion of America's freedom. But the truth is America's bastion of freedom lies in the freedom of speech and press not stockpiling assault weapons without any reservations. I do believe that American's should have the right to bear arms for defense of home and hunting as mentioned in the second amendment. I have no quarrel with this. But I also believe that much like owning a car, weapons should be registered to responsible owners and safeguarded from young children or unbalanced people who could misuse them. Loopholes that allow people to buy guns without proper background checks should be closed to protect the general public. This information should be sealed from the general public and press much like medical records are. The press does not need to know who righfully owns a gun permit or who rightfully keeps guns in the house. Anyone making this information known without the right of the law should face jail time. This info should only be available to legal authorities on a need to know basis to protect gun owners privacy. Jesus and guns just dont mix well. But they froth up well if your shaking in fear or love the destructive power of a trigger finger caressing steel. Such power is addicting to some. Truth is no matter how many guns you own your still going to die. Jesus said you have to have faith like that of a child. Buddha also said the key to enlightenment is a child like awareness of the world. Adults never seem to get it right. But for the sake of our children its time to try.

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    gconeyhiden 3 years ago from Brooklyn, N.Y.C. U.S.A

    hi, 70 to 80 million people died horrible deaths during WWII. I guess God was trying to tell us not to be so stupid again. some lesson. what was the lesson being taught pray tell back when the Catholic church killed other christians because they disagreed on the divinity of Jesus. Not to be so religious? Dont mess w the church? what was the lesson Martin Luthur was bringing for Jesus and God when he said the Jews should be killed because they refused to convert. talk about wrath and Gods punishment. very very religious people are either a congregation or a mob depending on circumstances beyond their control.

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    gconeyhiden 4 years ago from Brooklyn, N.Y.C. U.S.A

    rayne123, With all due respect, I think I understand your use of language OK. See you have been taught to believe that Jesus is God and of course God is known to punish people like an angry dad punishing his children. I on the other hand DO NOT think Jesus is God so I dont think he goes around punishing people. Church doctrine was created by people NOT Jesus OK. You must take a "vacation" from the Church & the second testament free up your mind abit then do some serious study of Jesus and the history of the church instead of reading it as all fact. As for the miracles you speak of they were written about many years after his death and are probably created or exaggerated to impress people like you all the more as proof of his divinity. After all everyone knows God can do miracles. Ancient history is full of Gods and miracles. Jesus should be revered for all time but not because he was made a God by humans but for his message of peace through love alone. That is the miracle he brought to this world. Unfortunately humans are beasts, some with a good heads on their shoulders. Others not so good.

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    gconeyhiden 4 years ago from Brooklyn, N.Y.C. U.S.A

    you seem totally at peace with the errant ways and bloody history of the church who took it apon itself to speak for Jesus. recent history shows the church is still up to no good in many respects sad to say.

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    gconeyhiden 4 years ago from Brooklyn, N.Y.C. U.S.A

    St. Paul eliminated the Jewishness from Jesus message to make it easier for non Jews to swallow. Once this happened you can say the cat was out of the bag and pagan thought was allowed to creep into the message of early Christianity. If you look you will find many connections between pagan thought and Christian ritual. Seems all religions are dumbed down after awhile to make them easier to sell to the people. Buddhism also suffers from this same phenomena. Buddha disliked the idea of people seeking good luck by way of charms but it is pervasive in many Buddhist cultures these days and it dumbs down the teachings of Buddhism. Making Jesus into a God and insisting he be one is the great dumb down of the Christian church. It separates Jesus totally from his own faith and that was exactly why it was done. The clerics doing this did Jesus NO favors. It allowed people who were told they were following Jesus to kill without sin so better to protect him. Jesus himself knew this would kill his original message by way of distortion. The real Jesus as far as I can see doesnt allow people the choice to have it both ways. You either do or you dont period. Personally I do not believe in God. I do not see the world in black and white or split between good and evil. but it doesnt really matter because I see the world as a sacred place deserving of respect and great contemplation. You might not like this but alot of religion has to do with a savy form of brainwashing at an early age. No wonder you can find highly intelligent people, people probably much smarter then me in many ways saying some really dumb things in defence of their religion. They are hardwired to defend it no matter what and will go through all kinds of convoluted thinking to do so. I on the other hand outright rejected this form of endoctrination at a very early age. You could say I smelled something fishy going on. I was totally turned off when I was told at age 5 that the front seats in the local synagogue were reserved for rich people or people who gave alot of money. I turned towards nature to find my answers but never stopped studying world religions because they play important roles in many peoples live and world history. I totally reject the notion that God plays a sort of good cop bad cop drama to teach people the ways of the world. The world is an extremely complex system much more so then any good cop bad cop can teach you. There are all sorts of forces at work and people like CharlesDarwin shed much light on the subject of how nature works which is roundly rejected by many people like you, sad to say. I do feel I have been blessed in this life somehow. If by some chance there is some form of God out there it seems happy to let me be me and believe what I do without believing in its existence or needing my prayer or recognition. The respect and fascination I have for nature seems enough for my good karma and enlightenment. The Church has alot of heavy baggage. I suggest you study Jesus by yourself and find him for yourself just as Jesus found himself by himself.

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    gconeyhiden 4 years ago from Brooklyn, N.Y.C. U.S.A

    St. Paul eliminated the Jewishness from Jesus message to make it easier for non Jews to swallow. Once this happened you can say the cat was out of the bag and pagan thought was allowed to creep into the message of early Christianity. If you look you will find many connections between pagan thought and Christian ritual. Seems all religions are dumbed down after awhile to make them easier to sell to the people. Buddhism also suffers from this same phenomena. Buddha disliked the idea of people seeking good luck by way of charms but it is pervasive in many Buddhist cultures these days and it dumbs down the teachings of Buddhism. Making Jesus into a God and insisting he be one is the great dumb down of the Christian church. It separates Jesus totally from his own faith and that was exactly why it was done. The clerics doing this did Jesus NO favors. It allowed people who were told they were following Jesus to kill without sin so better to protect him. Jesus himself knew this would kill his original message by way of distortion. The real Jesus as far as I can see doesnt allow people the choice to have it both ways. You either do or you dont period. Personally I do not believe in God. I do not see the world in black and white or split between good and evil. but it doesnt really matter because I see the world as a sacred place deserving of respect and great contemplation. You might not like this but alot of religion has to do with a savy form of brainwashing at an early age. No wonder you can find highly intelligent people, people probably much smarter then me in many ways saying some really dumb things in defence of their religion. They are hardwired to defend it no matter what and will go through all kinds of convoluted thinking to do so. I on the other hand outright rejected this form of endoctrination at a very early age. You could say I smelled something fishy going on. I was totally turned off when I was told at age 5 that the front seats in the local synagogue were reserved for rich people or people who gave alot of money. I turned towards nature to find my answers but never stopped studying world religions because they play important roles in many peoples live and world history. I totally reject the notion that God plays a sort of good cop bad cop drama to teach people the ways of the world. The world is an extremely complex system much more so then any good cop bad cop can teach you. There are all sorts of forces at work and people like CharlesDarwin shed much light on the subject of how nature works which is roundly rejected by many people like you, sad to say. I do feel I have been blessed in this life somehow. If by some chance there is some form of God out there it seems happy to let me be me and believe what I do without believing in its existence or needing my prayer or recognition. The respect and fascination I have for nature seems enough for my good karma and enlightenment. The Church has alot of heavy baggage. I suggest you study Jesus by yourself and find him for yourself just as Jesus found himself by himself.

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    Rayne123 4 years ago

    I didnt say that Jesus went around punishing people at all. You really need to read between the lines.

    However if you know the bible and watch the series you would know that punishment was set forth in certain ways or words.

    Of course he didnt walk around punishing anyone. He did more healing/miracles than anyone else. He had all the power that his father (creator)poured into his hands.

    God punishes/takes away sins/does not give you abundance if you do not walk in his will. I am living proof of that and not the walking in his will part as I do just that.

    It is a delicate subject and as he did not go around punishing the way you think I said it, he by no means leaves/left the guilty unpunished and nor will he ever

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    gconeyhiden 4 years ago from Brooklyn, N.Y.C. U.S.A

    I am not aware of Jesus punishing anyone except perhaps some coins hit a moneychanger or maybe a turned table stuck one of their feet. Jesus DID NOT go around punishing people as far as I know. I think your suffering from illusions that go back thousands of years that were originally spoken of to try and understand the way the human mind and nature work. I think it is totally unnecessary and counter productive to hinge the importance of Jesus message of peace through love of coming from Jesus the God. This is one of the pagan ways of understanding the world that Christian thought could not free itself from. Jesus was Jewish and believed in the ONE GOD. Just as you were taught about Jesus being God Jesus was taught that there was The ONE GOD. He WAS NOT A PAGAN BUT A JEW. And he remained a Jew. He mostly spoke to Jews and he ate like a Jew. It was St. Paul another Jew who many years after Jesus died decided to open his message to non Jews.

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    Rayne123 4 years ago

    Hi there

    Your hub is quite interesting, however at one point of your story it seems like you do not believe in God/Jesus or at least his words/teaching. Then at another point it seems like you are contradicting what you said.

    I agree what you said about guns, yes even Christians own guns and feel like living in faith is not enough, however they walk around in a way that they make themselves true to living Gods word. So do many others such as church goers.

    God knows our heart and he knows everything/sees everything and hears our thoughts. Trust me he does.

    Back to gun control for a minute, (maybe I am not touching on your topic 100 percent however this is what I feel to write)we really do not know whose hands guns fall into. One can have a background check and have a perfect life sort of speak, a stable home, however anyone at any given moment can go off into a rampage.

    God gave us the tools to act in love, kindness and tools to change the world. The tools are right in front of us, however we took the tools and used them for our own selfish gain. God knows we are not perfect, which is why he gave us tools to fix what we can.

    At one point Jesus was asked by one disciple what he wanted to do and he clearly said "change the world". Now given the smarts to know that Jesus/God has divine power and no one can stop him, he does not really need anyone to destroy for him. However Jesus used what tactics he could to try to get his message across and most of this message what done with love.

    God send/s strong delusions to some to see who would walk in faith and believe in him or believe the lie (evil, satan) so he would be justified in condemning these evildoers. This is what is actually happening today. Everything that is done is in Gods control.

    God controls the evil, he gives power to some to do what they think comes from their own hands when in reality their power/gifts come from the almighty God.

    These miracles he performed were for the good in hopes others would learn from them, his punishments handed out were justified.

    God gives us free will however we suffer the consequences of this "free will"

    I think that a lot of us do not want to admit to Gods wrath whether it comes in some punishment form or whether he destroys the world, we fear it and deny it. But it is there.

    God is mad with the wicked everyday. He wont pour out his wrath just on judgement day, he is pouring some out now. As for Jesus using others to destroy is a test of faith. We may not look at that way, but it is. Before the days of Jesus God called upon certain people and gave them the power to destroy. Jesus did the teachings to teach people what God was all about.

    Not everyone believe in him nor do they today, that is obvious. However they must believe in God to some point because they believe in the false prophets that come to earth and preach, manipulating others to believe in evil teachings.

    I dont think the world will believe in God together until he returns on earth. When punishment is served or something bad happens ex. weather, death and what not, no one believes that this may be Gods punishments. Instead they ask why would God allow this, well as I stated and stated in my hub, he doesnt allow it we do.

    I do not know what else to say however I did write a hub on "Gods wrath" and maybe you would like to read it. I know it really has nothing to do with this hub here however it may be of interest.