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What proof would it take to believe in a god?

Updated on September 2, 2015
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Why don't we believe?

It is a question many of us atheists and skeptics face, "why don't we believe in a god?" Many people feel it absurdly necessary to ask this when in a discussion about religion "Do you hate god?", "Why must you be so rebellious?", "Did you have a bad childhood?" People don't understand atheists thought processes enough to think that we naturally came to this conclusion, why does there always have to a reason behind every decision ever made?

While I don't speak on behalf of everybody that is a atheist, it is shown that more often not people just don't believe because of a lack of evidence for the existence of a higher being. Most atheists started out as very religious people, or in religious families, and they were naturally exposed to religion from their environment. Numerous of these people grasp a amazing understanding of the religion they are raised in. This affects everybody in different ways, I went one way, some of my friends went others, and everybody on the internet, well that is a different story all together.

Each atheist has their own reason, their own background, their own purpose, and their own way of living as an atheist. While I grew to hate religion and want to see its inevitable destruction. Many others, however don't feel that way. One thing remains constant though, and that is our lack of a belief in a god, and that is all an atheist is. Somebody who just merely doesn't believe in a god. For whatever you reason we don't believe in a god, and that means there must be something for us to turn around and return to religion or to believe in a god.

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Where is the evidence?

Me among most if not all atheists would believe in a god if there was simply evidence. Now there are people that constantly claim there to be evidence. On the contrary, would that evidence be sufficient enough for us to believe if it were true? Obviously something is not matching up with the criteria for extraordinary evidence to fill their extraordinary claim for a higher powered, omniscient being. Now what are these bold claims of evidence?

Let us start off with the common argument, "How can something come from nothing?" This is a very commonly used argument of religious people against the possibility of the big bang or the universe starting on its own.

Number 1: This would be a much more valid argument, if it wasn't for the fact that most of their religions originate from nothing themselves. Many of these religions believe that their creator just made everything out of nothing, just said let there be light and there was. Now if their all powerful being can easily produce matter, what makes them assume the universe can't do it itself? This of course leads to the argument of matter can not be created or destroyed, which duh what did their god do again?

This argument for their religion and their supposed evidence is seen as a very serious and apparent contradiction of itself.

Number 2; The easily seen rebuttal against their argument is simply that the matter was merely never created in the first place. If a all power being can always exist for all eternity why can't matters existence. We basically already agree that it did with the fact that matter can't be CREATED NOR DESTROYED. So why are religious affiliates so quick to assume everything needed a creation and a start.

Number 3: Now if there is one thing we have speculation on it is the cause of the big bang, how the universe might end, if there are multiple universes, and of course whether or not the universe operates on a cycle. If the universe does any of those things, the concept of a god gets farther and farther from reality.

If the universe operates on a cycle than we can easily see that the universe itself is always ever lasting. Proving that the universe operates on a cycle of crunch and explosion, is not only extremely difficult to prove, but also doesn't prove there was no god. The only thing it would merely prove is that the universe obviously has a due-process for how it operates and continues to exist. This would merely prove that the universe does not need a god to exist.

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Fine tuning the Universe for life.

Many a religious folk believe that gods existence can merely be proven from our existence. It isn't just the religious that think this way, many non-religious, or even people that don't simply believe in a god but still believe something that created us. Very many people believe the universe is fine tuned for our existence, that physics and gravity and many of the constants of the universe are made specifically to breed human life, whether it is for us to live survive and thrive through creation or through evolution. Plenty of people believe that the mere existence of these constants proves there is a god, and that there has to be a god. At the very least it implies we started and were created from something.

First off in a way the universe is fine tuned to breed our human life, but in a way it is not. Now let me explain.

First off, human life obviously eventually started, and has evolved and changed to become humans. Obviously the constants of this universe eventually led to the creation of life, life forms, and then eventually was evolved into life as we know it now. This is where things change, because we aren't done evolving, we are nowhere near perfect beings, and we can see that from the design of our bodies. We are merely the dominate species on the planet and we will eventually change and evolve as the world and the environment demands of it. So the universe is fine tuned for us to exist as is, and we will continue to change as the universe changes, but it is not for us to exist. We were born products of this universes constants, not that the constants were made to birth us.

We ask for something simple.

Now here is where we ask the question, "why have you not placed proper evidence?" obviously it is not enough. Your holy book is not evidence. The existence of life is not evidence. Our intelligence is not evidence. These so called miracles are not evidence. Nothing currently presented to the scientific community, or even atheist community is enough sufficient evidence. We see more and more religious people automatically assuming the world is the way it is because of god, and they assume everything around them is proof, while it can easily be shown through scientific processes and explained scientifically.

I am a man that believes in the possibility of a god, there absolutely can be one if possible. However that is a god with a little g, not a BIG G. There may be a god out there, but i see no evidence for one, or any evidence even supporting the idea that we should believe in a god. I can not say for certain there is no god, because we don't know, we simply can not know as of yet, but I can say for certainty there is no evidence to support the claim. I can also say with absolute certainty that there is no God, BIG G, the god of the bible or just about any man made religion. These Gods, Goddesses, or even the Big God himself, can't exist due to the way they have been, not only presented to us, but through their various contradictions and many issues fitting with there own religions and philosophy's. Most if not all man made religions are absolutely and unequivocally fabricated, to use as a safety blanket so we don't have to deal with our mortality. Not to mention being a brainwashing tactic and a way of controlling the masses.

Now what exactly would it take? Not much just a couple of things to really prove a gods existence. Now there are so many different gods, but I will mostly use the Christian God for an easier way of explaining, and since most people are Christians.

First off, we need proof of super natural abilities, really anything will do. From a mass simultaneous death of millions. To actually turning water to wine or wine to blood. Or something even as ridiculous as raining cupcakes. Something that can not be explained whatsoever by sciences due-processes. He could easily just appear in the sky, taking the shape of a giant beaver and simply state, "Yo I am God, what is up?"

Now you may notice that many of the examples I am giving sound rather ridiculous, but that is because it would have to be something super natural, something explainable, something merely insane. However for something all powerful none of these should be a problem.

Or we can go a much simpler way of going about this, we can find something scientifically, in the wrong rock layer. It is that simple, and god doesn't even need to show himself for that one. But something in the rock layer being displaced would bring about a massive shift in everything we know about science and everything we have learned through the years. Our entire understanding of the universe, science, and earth would be completely altered and rocked beneath us.

A gods existence could easily be proven, just the stunning lack of evidence causes vast confusion in me knowing the stunning number of people that still believe these ancient fairy tales.

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    • Austinstar profile image

      Lela 

      3 years ago from Somewhere near the center of Texas

      Maybe they have faulty eyesight or their retinal nerve connects to their imaginative areas.

      They look at toast and see Jesus or at stop lights and see crescent moons. Everywhere they look, all they see are "religious" things.

      Man, when I look at a rusty nail, I see a freaking nail - I don't see the "blood of Christ" on it.

      It's just weird. I'm convinced their brains have not evolved past the childhood belief in Santa.

    • John Colarusso profile imageAUTHOR

      John Colarusso 

      3 years ago

      I know. I often find myself gazing up at the stars and just being amazed at its wonder. It is in those moment I think, how the hell do people think there is a god.

    • Austinstar profile image

      Lela 

      3 years ago from Somewhere near the center of Texas

      "Nothing currently presented to the scientific community, or even atheist community is enough sufficient evidence."

      That is what makes me an atheist. There just isn't any proof of the supernatural.

      We are here by the same mechanisms as the Earth is here. We exist, the moon exists, the stars exist. As far as astrophysicists, geologists, paleontologists, and all of the scientists can determine, we all exist.

      Not one person - religious or scientific, has ever encountered something that is not of the natural universe.

      Once upon a time, mankind believed that thunder bolts came from a god. Now, we know with absolute scientific proof, that they do not. They come from natural, physical events.

      It's just a matter of time before we evolve enough to shed the "superstitious" religious thought processes in our heads.

      And our future generations will visit the stars from whence we came. They will not find gods. They will find the utter incredibility of the universe.

    • John Colarusso profile imageAUTHOR

      John Colarusso 

      3 years ago

      You have a excellent day too good sir.

    • abdussalaam profile image

      Abdus Salaam 

      3 years ago from Luton

      Yes it is my opinion; the belief in God, Angels, Prophets etc. are all articles of faith that cannot be proven with ease. Belief in such things will ultimately come to you if Allah wills it for you. Take Care and have a blessed day.

    • John Colarusso profile imageAUTHOR

      John Colarusso 

      3 years ago

      What proves that it is actually gods word? Is it all the apparent contradictions? Is it the books everyone leaves out now? Is it the years of political figures manipulating the text to forward the their agenda?

      What, besides faith, makes this true. Your faith, your convictions on what is true and isn't true, is simply not factor in proving your position correct. It is simply a opinion.

      Now if you accept it as your opinion and you believe that then that is fine, I merely suggest that you are wrong based on all other present knowledge and evidence. Just keep your message out of schools, politics, and out of the way from harming others.

    • abdussalaam profile image

      Abdus Salaam 

      3 years ago from Luton

      "...That may be what you believe but what is your reason for this?..." Because I am a Muslim and this is my belief which makes sense to me.

      "...What makes you believe this?..." Muslim doctrine coupled with the conviction of hope in the afterlife.

      "...What makes you so certain?..." Faith.

      "...And what is your proof to even suggest that may be likely?..." It is written in the Abrahamic texts given by God to the Jews, Christians and Muslims.

    • John Colarusso profile imageAUTHOR

      John Colarusso 

      3 years ago

      That is all well and good, to you. This is your belief, I however do not agree with you, there is no reason for me to even think that is an option after death.

      That may be what you believe but what is your reason for this? What makes you believe this? What makes you so certain? And what is your proof to even suggest that may be likely?

    • abdussalaam profile image

      Abdus Salaam 

      3 years ago from Luton

      The journey of the soul is the same for us all. After death your soul will be taken to the Earthly heaven and dependent on your fate this gate will either open or remain closed. If it opens you will enter this heaven full of happiness awaiting judgement day. If the gate remains closed your soul is thrown back into your body ready for questioning in the grave by two Angels.

      The two Angels will ask you four questions and will base their judgment of you dependent on your answers. They will not judge you according to your criteria because individual criteria's differ from person to person. The Angels will judge everyone according to a simple universal criteria.

      QUESTION 1: Who is your Lord?

      QUESTION 2: What is your religion?

      QUESTION 3: Who is this man who was sent among you?

      QUESTION 4: How did you know?

    • John Colarusso profile imageAUTHOR

      John Colarusso 

      3 years ago

      If anything I would hope that the angels judge me on the way I treated other humans, nature. I would want them to judge me on whether or not I damaged or harmed anybody in anyway. However minor or major. Of course judging accordingly. I would also expect them to judge on any way I helped people or helped the earth, also however major or minorly and of course judge accordingly. And lets just throw in it i contrabuted at all to my society at all, art, culture, music, science, etc.

    • abdussalaam profile image

      Abdus Salaam 

      3 years ago from Luton

      Yes; the context you have described is correct.

    • John Colarusso profile imageAUTHOR

      John Colarusso 

      3 years ago

      First let me get a couple things straight from your question.

      In this hypothetical we are presented with the fact that god does not exist, however angels, our soul, and an after life do exist?

      Just trying to get proper context for my rebuttle.

    • abdussalaam profile image

      Abdus Salaam 

      3 years ago from Luton

      Interesting article. Ok, momentarily forget about God, let's pretend that God does not exist, but let's pretend that your soul does exist and is real. You die, and then awake. How would you like the Angels to judge you?

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