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What would have happened if Adam and Eve had not sinned?

Updated on April 10, 2012

We have all heard the story. "God created the heavens and the earth...then God created all the animals...then God created man." --But man was lonely and so then "God created woman." The bible names them as Adam and Eve. God put them in a paradise garden and told them to have in subjection all the animals and to procreate and fill the earth. With one catch...God said, "Hey, I put this tree in the Garden of Eden called the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad - and it has great looking fruit - but you shall not eat from this tree - eat anything else - but do not eat from this tree - because if you do then you will surely die." So then Satan the devil comes along and speaks from a serpent to Eve. "Hey Eve, says the snake, why don't you eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad?" Well - for whatever reason Eve decides the fruit looks good and disobey's God. Eve eats the fruit, and then gives some to Adam - and then God punishes them, tells them they will die, kicks them out of the Garden of Eden and makes life for them a struggle. Adam and Eve go on living their lives. They procreate, have children, work the earth and live but eventually die as God said they would.

My thought to all those that believe that we are born to grow old and die and then go to heaven is, What would have happened to Adam and Eve if they had not ate the fruit of the tree? What would have happened if they had not disobeyed God?

Consider this - If Adam and Eve would not have disobeyed God, they would have continued living in Eden - in paradise. They would have had children, procreated and filled the earth. They would never die....

So if they never died, then they never go to heaven...and they live forever in paradise on earth. That was God's original purpose for man...wasn't it? The bible says it was. It says that we die because Adam and Eve sinned. So if they never sinned and ate of that fruit - then surely they would have lived forever in paradise on earth.

This then leads me to ask the question of you, Why would God change his purpose for man? Why then would he say, "Ok - now you die and go to heaven?" or you disobeyed God, so "now you die and go to hell?" It doesn't make sense that he would change his whole purpose for mankind.

God is not taught to be a being that changes his mind. He is shown to be very firm in his convictions. God then backs this up with many scriptures in the bible. As many of you shall recall the many scriptures speaking of everlasting life, that death shall be no more, that the wages sin pays is death...

I'm purposely not inserting exact biblical scriptures as, this is a "what if scenario", and the scriptures in the bible all deal with the other scenario, and how we can attain everlasting life in paradise on earth. But I am curious, as to the resounding facts that this scenario of what if dictates that mankind was not made to die and go to heaven or hell. What does that mean then about your understanding of many believed to be christian concepts? Or do you believe that he changed his purpose because of their sin?

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      Matthew Kirk 5 years ago from Liverpool

      Two naked humans walking around, made out of mud and a rib no less... or maybe it wasn't real? What a waste that adam was too innocent to enjoy eves t.... never mind ;)

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      Reginald Boswell 5 years ago from Alabama

      If Adam would have never sinned God would have not come to earth to redeem mankind back to Him. God intervened by sending Jesus Christ (who had the blood type D meaning DIVINE) who reconciled sinful man being a type of second Adam, and it when we take on His nature that we are restored to our original state as God intended.

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      Stigma31 5 years ago from Kingston, ON

      Well ,if you want to bleieve that, then this is the reality. God created us with instilled temptation. Snake or no snake we still would of eaten the banana...Eve's punishment was the menstrual cycle & PMS...Adam got off easy...what man can say no to a woman holding a banana?

      God preconditioned us with original sin...no freewill involved....so is that a banana in your pocket or are you happy to see - Mae West

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      Michelle Smith 5 years ago from Pennsboro, West Virginia

      My question was not about what did happen, it is about what would have happened if they had never sinned, and what this says about many christian beliefs about heaven and hell. God's original purpose was for us to live forever in paradise on earth - so again I ask, Why would he change that?

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      AgeOfGrace 5 years ago

      If A&E would have never eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, one of their children would have! God's mercy was in taking them out of the garden before they ate of the tree of life and left them eternally decomposing! The garden of eden will be restored in the millennial reign of Christ partially, and completely in eternity.

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      Michelle Smith 5 years ago from Pennsboro, West Virginia

      Eternally decomposing? Very interesting interpretation. But everyone is still missing the point of the question. The point of the question is what was God's purpose for mankind. It was not to put them in the Garden to have them sin. It was not to put them in the garden to then die and go to heaven, it was to live in the paradise garden forever on earth. So again I ask, why would God change that purpose? Fact - he didn't. He did have Jesus Christ give his life so that it paid for Adam and Eve's sin so that we again can live forever on a paradise earth.

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      Reginald Boswell 5 years ago from Alabama

      The question is very profound in its essence, but the accusation that God changes is a flawed paradigm. "With one catch" is saracism inserted! Would you try to trip anyone you loved, this is the way man thinks. God hates sin, Adam and Eve were tempted and were subdued by sin, therefore God must eradicate the sin that invaded His likeness(the human race) by invitation or disobedience to His Word.

      No flesh can enter Heaven therefore humans were not created to enter Heaven but our spirit (the likeness of God) was created to exist forever and so we will eternally separated (in Hell: a place created for Satan and his demons) or in unison with God in Heaven.

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      Michelle Smith 5 years ago from Pennsboro, West Virginia

      First I made no accusation that God changes - in fact I argue the opposite that God does not change and his original purpose for mankind - to live forever on a paradise earth is still what the bible teaches.

      I am in agreement with you that God did not put Adam and Eve in the garden to sin - which means his intentions were for them to live forever in Paradise on earth not in spirit but in physical form. It is only through sin the bible teaches that death entered the world. Adam and Eve were tempted and subdued by sin, which is why Jesus had to come and prove that a perfect man could walk the earth and not be subdued by sin.

      No flesh was to enter heaven you are correct. That is why those that do not make it to see "thy kingdom come, on earth as it is in heaven" will be resurrected to live forever on earth.

      Hell is a mistranslated error. It is not in the original text of the Hebrew and Greek texts. The words Gehenna, Sheol and Hades - all meaning subsequently different things but none of them meaning the pagan concept of hell that Christians now believe in. The true general meaning is the common grave of mankind, which is why in some bibles it even says Jesus and Lazarus went to hell. Use the internet to look up an interlinear translation and you will see the mistranslations of hell.

      This hub was not to trip anyone at all, but to open up the eyes of some that may be believing in "teachings of man" instead of the true bible teachings - and to have them consider God's true purpose for mankind.

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      mateo 4 years ago

      if human were punished with death for disobeying God, what sin did any living thing committed? they too die

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      Michelle Smith 4 years ago from Pennsboro, West Virginia

      That is a good question, and the belief is that since man is the only sentient beings on earth, that we were the only beings created to live forever in paradise. The other living things created were created to live and die for our use and enjoyment.

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      Question All 4 years ago

      I am sorry but I am missing what true purpose has been shed in these comments. People need to always use Bible verses to back their statements.

      First way too common claim not supported by scripture, creation was paradise. People, use a Bible search program to find the 3 times paradise occurs in the Bible and you will see that paradise is heaven not creation. Creation was good and sinless but not perfect.

      Second unsubstantiated claim, Adam and Eve were to live forever. No verse says this. Learn what it means to fill something as you read Gen 1:28, fill the earth. The concept of fill never implies an eternal concept. Just use simple logic, look at China as an example of filling a nation. Imagine the population if women were perfect, living forever and having children every year.

      Third unsubstantiated claim, heaven will be like creation before the fall. Has anyone read Revelation and the description of heaven? It is nothing like the description of our first earth. Rev 21:23, The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.

      As for a desire to ponder God's true purpose for mankind, again read the Bible. If God is unchanging, why would our purpose have changed just because of sin?

      Purpose 1: Fill the earth! This means reproduce therby making souls for heaven. How long will this go on for? Romans 11:25, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

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      s. joseph balasundar 4 years ago

      If Adam and Eve did not sin they would have continued to live till to day with their children and children s children and so on and God would have got other plans for them. One event is dependent on either happening or not happening of another. As the event of disobedience happened we are as we are to day. Otherwise, we would have been in some other status according to God's other plans which did not materialise because there was no obedience. Even in this status, Apostle John says, " Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2. So, we missed a lot because Adam in whom we all were there sinned not only for himself but as of our Representing Forefather sinned on our behalf also. God being omniscient knew it all even before everything was created. It is He who covenants with us. We cannot bargain nor do we question as to why this is like this or why not is it like that

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      Question All 4 years ago

      Can we really think that man or Satan is able to change God's plans?

      Psalm 33:11 But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations.

      Proverbs 16:4 The LORD works out everything for his own ends— even the wicked for a day of disaster.

      Think about this. How could the many prophecies in the Bible have come true if God's plan could have been changed by man or Satan. Satan had Herod kill many children in Bethlehem to prevent Jesus from fulfilling his destiny. We know Satan was not successful.

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      Adam 4 years ago

      I noticed you said, "God is not taught to be a being that changes his mind."

      However, there are many times in the scriptures that God changes his mind. Prior to the flood, it says in Genesis 6:6 that God was sorry that He had made man on the earth.

      And Exodus 32:14 says straight out that He changed his mind...

      I am interested to hear what you have to say about this...

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      Question All 4 years ago

      Adam, you need to acknowledge two of God’s qualities, one he is a righteous judge and demands sin to be punished. He is also a God of unimaginable mercy. Many times prophets have been used to issue decrees of God that he is executing these qualities. The messages as recorded in scripture are for our benefit.

      The NIV Bible has Ex 32:14 “Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.” It does not use the word change, but the important word to recognize is threatened. It shows the two qualities of God. He punishes sin but then he also has great mercy.

      A clearer text to examine is Jonah’s story. God said in Jon 1:2 “Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.” Jon 3:4-5 “On the first day, Jonah started into the city. He proclaimed: “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned.” The Ninevites believed God. They declared a fast, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.”

      The king responded. Jon 3:6-9 When the news reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust. 7 Then he issued a proclamation in Nineveh: “By the decree of the king and his nobles: Do not let any man or beast, herd or flock, taste anything; do not let them eat or drink. 8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth. Let everyone call urgently on God. Let them give up their evil ways and their violence. 9 Who knows? God may yet relent and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that we will not perish.”

      God did acknowledge the change. Jon 3:10 “When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened.”

      Scripture says that these judgment announcements are threats used as calls to repentance. That is God’s desire that we turn from our evil ways. This concept is lost in most of the modern church preachings that just want to endlessly espouse on how loving God is.

      Contrast this with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. God did not send a prophet to try to get the cities to repent. Moses bargained with God to save the city if there were only 10 righteous people living in the city. Only Lot and his family were found righteous in the city. Instead of sending a prophet, God sent angels to rescue Lot and then God’s righteous judgment fell on the cities because it was found not worthy of saving.

      If this is still not clear enough let me point you to the great prophet Jeremiah and his dealing with a false prophet. Jer 28:8-9 “From early times the prophets who preceded you and me have prophesied war, disaster and plague against many countries and great kingdoms. But the prophet who prophesies peace will be recognized as one truly sent by the Lord only if his prediction comes true.”

      This text makes the distinction between prophesies of disaster versus peace. Prophesies of disaster may or may not come true based on whether the people respond and repent. A Prophesy of peace that comes true is the only test of a true prophet from God.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Amazing hub. After reading all the comments, I really have no idea what would have happened if Adam and Eve would have not committed the first sin.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      If Adam and Eve never sinned then one of their descendants would have eaten the forbidden fruit. Sooner or later one way or another somebody would have done something to offend God and paradise would be ruined. The Biblical God is cruel and He PUNISHES PUNISHES PUNISHES. He punishes for the slightest reasons or for silly reasons such as David taking a census and for touching or peeking inside the Ark of the Covenant for which He kills thousands of people. This God cursed and punished the ENTIRE creation for Adam and Eve eating a forbidden fruit eons ago and He allows Adam and Eve's sin to be passed on to ALL future unborn humans. Human nature is ruined and the whole creation is ruined. This God punishes animals for the sins of human beings. This God allows Satan and demons to tamper with and corrupt His creation. He allows a talking tempting snake to deceive Adam and Eve. That's like allowing a child molester alone with your kids. God is irresponsible and a bad parent almost from the start. The creation was set up to be screwed by free will Satan and Adam and Eve. Its an experiment with the ingredients for disaster tragedy and failure. Note in His initial warning to Adam and Eve God never bothers telling them about sin diseases starvation pollution wars genocides etc. Only AFTER Adam and Eve sin does God decide to allow their sin to be passed on to all future humans and decides to curse and punish the entire creation along with Adam and Eve. Its unfair unjust irrational unreasoning unkind unwise uncouth unforgiving and cruel. Inflicting or allowing horrible diseases mass starvation crimes wars pollution loneliness birth defects hurricanes tsunamis etc is cruelty. The creation was destined to be screwed and ruined sooner or later one way or another because this God of the Bible is just not right in the head. The Biblical God has a cruel evil punitive side. He has a Jekyll and Hyde personality which can be seen in His behavior and in the Nature He created. The same God who created roses also created cancer. If blame is going to be thrown on Satan and demons then why does God allow these evil entities to ruin His creation? It doesn't make sense. It's a flawed deficient God. Its an absentee landlord for a God. Its a cruel God. Its an incompetent irrational God. Or God is not in control of what's going on in this screwed up world and its Satan and demons who are winning this war. A deficient God and Satanic or devilish or demonic forces at work explains why rhe world is the screwed up hellhole that it is.

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      Nadine 3 years ago

      To all of you with your dumb comments , Adam and Eve did not sin the scripture said by one man; sin came into the world, God never said because Adam sinned; sin came into the world, Eve was deceived and in the transgression and not Adam, there's a different between sin and transgress to transgress is to go beyond the boundary, to sin is to break God's royal law, Adam and Eve only disobeyed God, if you tell your child not to turn the stove on or he will get burn and he turn that stove on and burn himself that was just and order, you would not say to that child you are a sinner, you would only call him disobedient, then you would set your law for him and command him not to do it again, when God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree it was not a law that he wrote in their hearts and put in their minds, so therefore; where there's no law, there's no sin, sin was never mention in Genesis until God told Cain "sin lieth at the door " and when Cain slew his brother Able that was when the first sin was committed by Cain., sin came in the world by Adam and was committed by Cain that is why the scripture said only one is lost and that is Cain, it is he who is satan walking up and down to and fro the earth going into perdition, satan was never in the garden with Eve that was the spirit of God or should I say Jesus testing Eve, that is why God said behold; the man has become as one of us, to know good and Evil, that one verse shows that Christ can Comecon many forms, as a man, act as a man do the things of a man wether if its good or bad and he is still holy, blameless and perfect before God, because he put all things in his son's hand and under his feet except God who is the greatest. This is the revelation, to know who Jesus and God is and he surly revealed himself unto me, and if i was to go any further all of you will surly say this woman has a devil in her as like they said to Jesus.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      What is your point Nadine? Whew. Your logic is convoluted. Did Adam and Eve sin or did they transgress? Different people interpret this confounding story differently. The Bible is vague, ambiguous, unclear, inconclusive, and full of contradictions from Genesis to Revelation and has caused endless disagreement, division, contradiction, confusion. We're not going to get any straight answers nor any straight information from the Bible. The Adam and Eve story in particular can be interpreted in a dozen different ways. Its impossible to make sense out of this confounding screwed up story. The only thing that's clear enough in this story and in much of the rest of the Bible is that it shows an irrational, unfair, unreasoning, unforgiving, spiteful, cruel God who has no common sense and who has no reasoning.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      You can't blame God for everything bad, horrible, etc. we were created in the image of God with free will. This free will allows us to choose right or wrong, love, hate you name it. Yes life is full of suffering and terrible things but by the same token we have beautiful amazing things as well. To blame God is to blame your parents which we often do, but is that really right or the truth?

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      Free will does not justify turning the world into a hellhole. This experiment with free will, Satan, and Adam and Eve was a recipe for disaster, tragedy, travesty, failure. What was a talking tempting snake doing in the blessed Garden of Eden? Who created that snake and who allowed it to enter the Garden? How does a snake even talk? God was a bad parent almost from the start. He allows evil and danger to enter the Garden to tempt and deceive Adam and Eve. Why must Adam and Eve's sin have to be passed on to ALL future unborn humans? Why ruin human nature? What does free will have to do with Natural evils such as malaria, ebola, ticks, fleas, lice, mosquitoes, cancer, tooth decay, hurricanes, tsunamis, centipedes, jellyfish? Did Adam and Eve's sin cause all these Natural evils? Was the world originally a paradise and peaceable kingdom until Adam and Eve sinned? How can Adam and Eve's sin have the power to change and ruin Nature? Did God decide to inflict Natural evils as punishment for Adam and Eve's sin? If so, then God is unjust, irrational, insane, unwise, and cruel. Its bad enough that Adam and Eve's sin brought sin and human evil into the world. Isn't this bad enough? Why punish the creation with Natural evils on top of all this human sin and human evil? This is not love and mercifulness. Furthermore, we don't have total free will. Nature, nurture, genes, body chemistry, brain chemistry, and environmental conditions all dictates and determines human behavior whether bad or good. If Adam and Eve gave us all a sinful nature prone to sin, then how could we have total free will if Adam and Eve corrupted human nature? If one adds Satan and demons as corrupting humans, then how in blazes could we have total free will? Free will has caused a hell on earth and the next life will be a vastly worse hell lasting forever for billions of people according to Fundamentalists. This is not love and mercifulness. This is not morality. This is not goodness. This is not wisdom. The Devil and evil rules the world. A loving wise God does not.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      I want to know why God created the mess he did, and blamed Adam and Eve, if he already knew what would happen in the first place, with his omnipresence and knowledge. Also you don't see him blaming animals for sin, because they are still made perfectly and don't require 'saving'. They don't have any 'sexual hangups', don't wear clothes, or feel guilt. If they are hungry, they just kill something and eat it-no problem. We are the ones with all the hangups, the guilt, the fear of death, etc. That's why man needs God. Animals live minute to minute with no worry. If we just would accept ourselves as fallible, not perfect, OK, and learn to appreciate each other, and things we already have, with no greed, we wouldn't need to be 'saved' from OURSELVES.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      Animals arent sinful in the sense that humans are but the Bible God curses and punishes them anyway. He sanctions animal sacrifices in the Old Testament to atone for human sins and He drowns all the animals with the Noah's flood together with sinful humans. This God is irrational, insane, and He has no common sense and He has no reasoning. He is cruel to both people and animals. Animals also suffer and die from predation, diseases, parasites, venoms, poisons, intense cold, intense heat, starvation, accidents, aging, and from human beings. The Bible God punishes children for the sins of their parents and vice versa, punishes babies for the sins of adults, punishes animals for the sins of human beings, punishes people for the sins of ancestors, punishes the entire community fof the sins of a single person, and punishes the ENTIRE world for all time for the sin of two people, Adam and Eve. And He punishes His entire creation for the sins of Satan who He created and allows Satan and demons the freedom to corrupt, spoil, and ruin His creation. Its a God who has shown more cruelty and who has caused more suffering to His creation all because two primitive humans ate a forbidden fruit thousands of years ago which He orchestrated for them to eat. God set up humanity for failure. And He refuses to forgive Adam and Eve and refuses to give them a second chance and He goes right ahead with allowing their sin to be passed on to ALL future unborn humans(which is unfair and unwise) and He curses and punishes the ENTIRE creation with diseases, predation, venoms, poisons, parasites, mass starvation, birth defects, hurricanes, tsunamis, intense cold, intense heat, overpopulation, pollution, aging, death, decay, entropy. When it comes to cruelty the Bible God is an overachiever. He has an infinite number of cruelties to torture and kill man and beast. And He has an eternal torture chamber in the next life called hell where billions of people will end up after death to be tortured in horrifying ways such as being burned by fire, being gnawed at by worms, being subjected to a sewer like stench, suffocation, or the inability to breathe, and being assaulted, sliced, and mutilated by repulsive demonic monsters forever according to sick preachers such as Mary Baxter, Bill Wiese, and David J. Stewart. According to David J. Stewart, victims in hell will be tortured by being buried alive forever inside a claustrophobic, coffin like environment as they burn in fire at the same time. Imagine that. Being buried alive inside a coffin for just a few minutes is bad enough with claustrophobia and suffocation but this God is going to inflict this monstrous torture forever. Its monstrous, inhuman, sick, sadistic, fiendish, diabolical cruelty, evil, and horror beyond imagining. This is infinitely vastly worse than any horror movie and its the price to pay all because Adam and Eve ate a forbidden fruit thousands of years ago. Its sick. Its damn sick. Its a travesty. Im going to end up in a mental hospital from fear. Its a cruel, sick, insane God. Is there anything more sick, or more stupid, or more insane, or more disgusting than this? The Devil and evil rules the world. A good loving God does not. The world is a hellhole and horror movie and the next life will be a vastly worse hell and horror for billions of people and its all because two ignorant humans ate a forbidden fruit and because a certain angel was created who later turned evil and became Satan. Its sick, insane, disturbing, disgusting, despicable, deplorable. God is deficient in some manner. I don't know how else to explain this God's cruelty, carelessness, negligence, incompetence, remoteness, silence, absence, failure. The Devil is winning and ruling the world. This irresponsible God has abdicated the world to the Devil. Theres some kind of insanity in this God. The world is a horror movie and the Devil is directing it. As the human population and pollution increases, the world is going to look and feel more and more like hell.

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      tj007 3 years ago

      Anonymous,

      You seem to know what is good or evil. But on what grounds?

      What makes something good or evil? Is it based on your feelings?

      Without freedom, would we be able to love or hate?

      Perhaps the freedom is the freedom to make moral choices. It is not the total freedom, such as to lift a truck or to move at the speed of light.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      What makes something good or evil? Good for me is defined as anyone or anything that is benovelent, kind, caring, beneficial, altruistic, giving, humane. Evil as I define it is anyone or anything which is malevolent, malicious, cruel, selfish, negligent,nasty, unkind, uncaring, destructive. There are three categories of evil as I see it. There is Moral evil which is the evil or sins of conscious, intelligent beings such as humans, angels, the Devil, demons, fairies, and aliens. Then there is Natural evil which is the cruel, violent, dangerous, destructive side from Nature, such as Centipedes, malaria, cancer, and tsunamis, and there is Supernatural evil which is the evil from malevolent supernatural beings, be they God or gods, the Devil, demons, angels, fairies, aliens. There is sometimes overlap between each of these three categories of evil. There maybe overlap between Moral evil and Supernatural evil and between Natural evil and Supernatural evil. How so? Well, if evil supernatural beings created Nature with all its evils and cruelties snd if they created human beings with all our evils and defects then the Supernatural is to blame for both Moral evil and Human evil or human sin, and the supernatural is to blame for Natural evil. There is also overlap between Moral evil or Human evil and Natural evil. Natural drives and impulses, genes, hormones, brain chemistry, and body chemistry is partly to blame for such evil behaviours as selfsihness, cruelty, violence, rape, greed, destructiveness, crimes, wars, genocides. No one has total free will. Nature, nurture, genes, brain chemistry, body chemistry, hormones, and environmental conditions also dictates and determines human behaviour whether bad or good. And how can we have total free will if Adam and Eve's sin gave all humans an inherently sinful nature? And how can humans have free will if the Devil or Satan and demons are corrupting human beings? If Satan and demons are behind all Natural evil and behind all Moral evil or Human evil and sin then why is God allowing these evil supernatural beings the freedom and power to tamper, corrupt, and ruin His creation? Is the free will of Satan and demons more important to God than the welfare of humans and animals? Why create this certain angel who became Satan in the first place? If God knew beforehand of Satan's sins and crimes and knew that this certain angel was sooner or later going to wreak havoc, corrupt, and ruin His entire creation, then God should not have created this certain angel. Don't create it. That's just common sense which this God does not have. The Bible God has no common sense and has no reasoning. Allowing this certain angel called Satan and having and allowing Adam and Eve's sin literally corrupt and ruin the entire creation is the earmark of insanity and the earmark of stupidity. Its irrational, unfair, unkind, unwise, unreasoning, unforgiving, cruelty, immorality, insanity, incompetence, negligence, and gross stupidity. So the world lost paradise and gained a hell because two primitive humans ate a forbidden fruit thousands of years ago? Does this make sense? Christians accept this and don't see the unfairness, insanity, cruelty, and stupidity of this belief. It shows an unfair, unreasoning, immature, petty, egomaniacal, narcicisstic, cruel, negligent, irresponsible, unforgiving, merciless God. The Bible God is both good and evil or has a Jekyll and Hyde personality. I don't know if He is immoral or amoral. An immoral evil being knows what they do is evil while an amoral evil being doesn't know what they do is evil. Amoral evil is Natural evil such as centipedes, malaria, cancer, tsunamis, sharks, crocodiles, intense cold, intense heat. An example of an amoral evil human being would be a cannibal from a jungle who doesn't know that killing and eating people is evil and wrong. Natural evil or Amoral evil is the same thing. Amoral evil is blind evil while Moral evil is seeing evil. The Bible God is an evil, cruel, violent, bloodthirsty being and a hypocrite who does what He forbids and who forbids what He does, and who creates what He forbids and who forbids what He creates. He supposedly hates violence and killing and yet He killed millions of people and He killed millions to billions of people in the Bible. This God instigates wars and genocides and orders animal sacrifices. The Nature He created is full of violence and killing, and full of suffering and death. We worship a cruel, violent, nasty monster. We worship evil. And the belief in hell as a place of eternal torture for billions of people is pure, absolute, undiluted, monstrous cruelty and sadism on steroids. Its UNIMAGINABLE evil and horror infinitely vastly worse than any horror movie. The Bible God has an evil, cruel side similar to Satan who is supposed to be His enemy. This sick God is such an egomaniac that He allowed Satan to torture Job as a test of faith. Its sick, insane, immoral, disgusting. Both God and Satan are evil if the Bible is read objectively and both are to blame for having a world filled with evil, sin, pain, suffering, and death. Eldritch Abomination describes both the Bible God and Satan. They are both cruel, immoral, amoral, insane, ruthless, merciless, negligent, selfish, egomaniacal, narcicisstic. Neither one is fit to worship.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      Id like to make a correction from the above comment. The sentence should have read that the Bible God killed millions of people and He killed millions to billions of animals in the Bible. This God punishes animals for the sins of human beings. Its sick. If Satan and demons are to blame for all evil and sin then why is God allowing these evil supernatural beings to cause all this evil, cruelty, misery, and havoc? And why is God taking out His anger and wrath on people and animals for the sins of Satan and demons? This insane, irrational, unreasoning, unfair, unwise God is punishing people and animals for Satan's sins and is punishing the entire world for the sin of two people who ate a forbidden fruit thousands of years ago. Its sick. This God is immature, petty, irrational, insane, unreasoning, unforgiving, unwise, and cruel to the umpteenth degree. This God needs psychiatric help. This God needs to grow up for a change. This God is blaming and punishing everyone for Adam and Eve's sin and is blaming and punishing everyone for Satan's sins. INSANE. Its insane in a cruel manner. Blaming, cursing, and punishing everyone, everything, everywhere for Adam and Eve's sin and for Satan's sins is insanity, injustice, cruelty, negligence, and gross stupidity. Could a real God be this stupid, sick, insane, and cruel? To a large extent, this God is punishing us for being what Nature made us to be. Its sick. Its a perverted God with no common sense and no reasoning. Mentally blind, morally blind. A clam has more sense than this God. Mentally unevolved, morally unevolved. If He hates human sin so much then He would not be allowing it ad nauseam, ad infinitum and He would not have allowed Adam and Eve's sin to corrupt human nature and He would not be allowing Satan and demons to corrupt people. If He hates human sin so much then why doesn't He do something constructive and intelligent about it instead of allowing it? Human nature isn't going to heal by itself. God has to heal it. Why can't He change our minds and change our hearts as we sleep and make us kind, loving, gentle, caring, altruistic? Is that too much to ask? Apparently yes. Enough with free will. Free will has ruined human nature and has ruined the entire creation and the world and history is a hellhole and horror movie because of it and we don't even have total free will as I pointed out before. Nature, nurture, genes, hormones, brain chemistry, body chemistry, and environmental conditions also dictates and determines human behaviour whether bad or good. The Bible God doesn't seem to understand this and most Christians don't seem to understand this. And Nature's cruelties and defects isn't going to heal by itself. God has to heal it or there is no hope. He has failed to heal and continues to fail. This God is an absentee landlord. He has no intelligent, constructive solution to offer us and He has no merciful, humane solution to offer us and allows us to remain in our sins, defects, and failures, and allows us to suffer and die by one horrible means or another. This is not love and mercifulness. This is not morality. The creation is being mismanaged, misrun, neglected, and ruined and this is a win for Satan and demons. The corruption, ruination and suffering and death of the creation for thousands to millions of years is the work of the Devil.

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      Radinika 3 years ago

      Answer from The Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi chapter 2

      14 And now, my sons, I speak unto you these things for your profit and learning; for there is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are, both things to act and things to be acted upon.

      15 And to bring about his eternal purposes in the end of man, after he had created our first parents, and the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and in fine, all things which are created, it must needs be that there was an opposition; even the forbidden fruit in opposition to the tree of life; the one being sweet and the other bitter.

      16 Wherefore, the Lord God gave unto man that he should act for himself. Wherefore, man could not act for himself save it should be that he was enticed by the one or the other.

      17 And I, Lehi, according to the things which I have read, must needs suppose that an angel of God, according to that which is written, had fallen from heaven; wherefore, he became a devil, having sought that which was evil before God.

      18 And because he had fallen from heaven, and had become miserable forever, he sought also the misery of all mankind. Wherefore, he said unto Eve, yea, even that old serpent, who is the devil, who is the father of all lies, wherefore he said: Partake of the forbidden fruit, and ye shall not die, but ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.

      19 And after Adam and Eve had partaken of the forbidden fruit they were driven out of the garden of Eden, to till the earth.

      20 And they have brought forth children; yea, even the family of all the earth.

      21 And the days of the children of men were prolonged, according to the will of God, that they might repent while in the flesh; wherefore, their state became a state of probation, and their time was lengthened, according to the commandments which the Lord God gave unto the children of men. For he gave commandment that all men must repent; for he showed unto all men that they were lost, because of the transgression of their parents.

      22 And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.

      23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.

      24 But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.

      25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.

      26 And the Messiah cometh in the fulness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall. And because that they are redeemed from the fall they have become free forever, knowing good from evil; to act for themselves and not to be acted upon, save it be by the punishment of the law at the great and last day, according to the commandments which God hath given.

      27 Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.

      28 And now, my sons, I would that ye should look to the great Mediator, and hearken unto his great commandments; and be faithful unto his words, and choose eternal life, according to the will of his Holy Spirit;

      29 And not choose eternal death, according to the will of the flesh and the evil which is therein, which giveth the spirit of the devil power to captivate, to bring you down to hell, that he may reign over you in his own kingdom. (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi, Chapter 2)

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      I hope you don't really believe that God created all things. I hope He did not create cancer, malaria, ebola, tooth decay,etc and all those other horrible diseases. I hope God did not create centipedes, cobras, stonefish, black widow spiders, and every other venomous pest, and I hope He did not create the violence, predation, carnage, and killing in Nature, and I hope He didn't create every repulsive worm and every repulsive spider and every repulsive spider. And I hope He didn't create hurricanes and tsunamis. Saying God created all things is not praising Him but its insulting Him because it means that He created all the Natural evils, cruelties, and defects which cause suffering and death. Think. Do you really want to worship a God who created cancer, ebola, centipedes, black widow spiders, hurricanes, and tsunamis? For me, I don't. Any God or being who would create such horrors is either at least partly evil, or insane, or stupid, or immoral or amoral, or mentally blind and morally blind. Isahaia chapter 45, verse 7 says, I make peace and create evil. (King James Bible) That's supposedly God speaking about Himself. Yahweh or the Bible God has a Jekyll and Hyde personality which can be seen in the Nature He created and in His behavior in the Bible. Its a God of contrasts and contradictions, and its a God of opposites and extremes. Most disturbing is His violence and cruelty. The Bible God is a moral monstrosity.

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      ray 2 years ago

      Where does it say God's plan was for us to live here forever, Genesis teaches us how God created everything it does not say God's plan was for us to live here forever, how can this be our paradise when it is the devils prison?

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      al 2 years ago

      for the glory of god repent and believe that

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      J E Dye 2 years ago

      Kitaine,

      I love your post. I'm writing a talk on Adam and Eve right now. I am a Christian and a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We believe the Bible is the word of God. We also believe that there are prophets living today, just as in times of old, to give us guidance regarding God's will and our purpose here in life. Many of them have spoken regarding Adam and Eve and one of them translated an ancient record called the Book of Mormon, which gives great clarity regarding Adam and Eve and the reason for the Fall. Radinika posted a comment 8 weeks ago from the Book of Mormon. I'd like to go into detail regarding the scriptures she posted. First, "Adam fell that men might be (See 2nd Nephi, chapter 2 verse 25), and men are that they might have joy." And in verse 23 we learn that Adam and Eve would not have been able to have children due to their state of innocence - for their eyes were not opened until they partook of the fruit. But remember that God gave them the commandment to multiply and replenish the earth. So if they had not taken of the forbidden fruit, then they would not have been able to keep the first commandment - to bear children. More importantly, they would have been in a state without death, suffering, and all of the thousands of other trials associated with life. These trials exist so that we might learn and grow. They would have been in a state where they could have not progressed. In verse 11 of 2 Nephi 2, we learn "that there is an opposition in all things. If not so ... righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad." To be tried by Satan and to face temptation in order to gain experience (and to see if we'll choose good versus evil) is one of the principle purposes of life, and this could not have occurred unless our first parents entered into a fallen world. That Adam and Eve were to partake of the forbidden fruit was always God's plan and Satan unknowingly aided God in his design. You are right in your reasoning that God does not change and is omniscient and would have thus never designed a Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve were to stay forever - only to let the rest of humanity suffer only for or because of their transgression. Adam and Eve were always meant to fall.

      So, you might be asking, why didn't God just place Adam and Eve into a fallen world from the start, if it was always his design. The Fall, and all that occurred therein, is meant to teach us. First, that disobedience to God's will creates distance between him and us. That is true from the start until the end of our lives. Obedience allows us to draw closer to our Father. Second, that we must have a Savior. Adam and Eve needed Christ to be reconciled to the Father, just as all of us do. We cannot be saved without the grace of the Son of God. It teaches us other lessons as well - that we must live by the sweat of the brow (work), that we are to pair of as man and woman in families, to work side by side with our partner (equality in marriage).

      There is one more important piece of knowledge I can share. That is that God created or organized our spirits before this mortal life and that we lived with him. We don't remember this, by design. If we remembered then we could not be tested in the same way and be able to live by faith. But in that premortal life God presented to us this plan of salvation and you and I (and everyone else alive) chose to participate. Adam and Eve were valiant children of God and help facilitate the start of our mortal experience.

      I hope this answers your question. I know that you posted it over 2 years ago. God speed in your search for truth.

      Thanks,

      Jared

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      Trish 2 years ago

      This makes no sense, so thankful for JW.ORG!!!!!!!

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      Scott.Preszcator 7 months ago

      What if Adam and Eve only listened to them selfves and not followed Gods advice or the Devils and went off on their own . What would God do about that .

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      clarise2006 6 months ago

      God gave Adam and Eve free will. This is because he wants us to love him based on our choice. Love is about choice to love. When Eve chose to disobey God and Adam followed--sin followed. We are the children of Adam and Eve. Our DNA--if you will--comes from them and we are inherently evil. God is not evil--he gave us free will. When Adam and Eve sinned, they pushed God away and the result is what we have in the world today. God is not to blame for our sins--we are. He sent his son to save us from our evil nature.

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