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What's god got to do with it
What's god but a secod hand devotion?
Tina Turner people, Tina Turner. Somewhere out there in the land of Young Earth Creation is a man named Sye Tenbruggencate. I "stumbled" him on twitter, as he seems to be in this constant he-said, she-said argument with various atheists. I decided I would learn a little bit more about the man and one link into my research I found a statement that I just had to comment about. In a debate with Paul Baird (their third in a serious of who knows how many) Sye opens with this...
"Today Paul and I will be debating the existence of God. Since this is our third go around Paul is well aware that my line of argumentation is that the proof that God exists is that without Him you can’t prove or know anything. Proof requires knowledge, truth and absolute laws of logic to name but a few, none of which can be accounted for outside of the God of Christianity. I submit that the only way one can know anything to be true is by or through revelation from God."
There it is, without god you can't know anything. Im guessing he didn't fully think that through but let me take a moment to digest his argument.
No wonder he's angry!
So lets start with the obvious, animals. Animals do not know god, so therefore its safe to assume they do not benefit from those necessary revelations. So how do they "know" anything? How do they know what to eat, when to eat, when they are in danger, when its night, when its day etc. Im 100% certain that Sye has some built in "well they don't count" argument, but saving his counter, that alone puts this to bed.
Ultimately, Sye is very confused. We can "know" things without revelation from god. However, like Sye we are limited to our lack of absolute knowledge. We know what the speed of light is and we know it is the fastest speed possible. However, we really don't know what is outside the universe, and perhaps light goes faster there. So we can't really know for 100% certainty that light is the ultimate speed as there is still uknown knowledge. In the end all of us, including the god fearing folk, are limited to our knowledge of what we can know. I believe its one of our best traits, the thirst to learn more and more and to verify what we think we know is true or not. I couldn't imagine being crippled in knowledge because I have put a closing lid on my knowledge with a god. It is our lack of knowing with 100% certainty that keeps us hungry for more. Accepting god's absolute knowledge and ending there might leave you thinking the earth is only 6000 years old... oh wait.