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When The Saints Come Marching In

Updated on June 13, 2016

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Preface

This article was originally started as an Eric's Sunday Sermon. But it in fact does not inspire me much. It is more of conceptual information piece of a religious idea.

Interesting about veneration of those who have passed.

This just intrigues me. This whole concept of Saints. I am not Catholic. I do sometimes attend a Catholic service in California’s oldest Basilica. The preachers there are old and wizened and deliver uplifting sermons based on their years of living life. When I preached it was in what is often called “Catholic Light” Basically Episcopalian and then with the rift in the Episcopal church, Anglican. Wow the politics and structure was just amazing to me. With a law background I delved into the canons of the church. Very interesting. And so in search of greater understanding I have been taking the Catechism online for three years. There is much to be learned from the Catholic perspective.

My wonderful wife is from Vietnam. I met her there while working on a joint venture between Vietnam, the government, and a U.S. based firm. Very cool new age computer and internet stuff. While I oversaw the build out of offices there my main job was to gain as much knowledge of the Vietnamese culture, politics and economics and laws to guide us through without misstep or violations. As with many Asian cultures there they practice what is poorly translated as ancestor worship. It is really an honoring of ancestors who have passed on. They even celebrate death anniversaries. And so I developed a healthy interest in this thing the Catholics do that is referred to as honoring Saints. Those who have passed on and are believed to have lived an extraordinary virtuous life with a strong connection with God. Indeed they pray to Saints who then are believed to pray to God in intercession. Make no mistake they do not worship the Saints.

As we look toward the heavens.

This is taken around 5:30 am from the bottom of Marble Canyon.
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I think this guy is still with us in spirit.

A peek into the world of Saints from a Catholic perspective.

And so I thought it would be interesting to some to peek a view of the catechism thoughts on the subject. These are freely provided by Flocknote and are not copyrighted.

Day #111: Why do we honor the Saints?

Does the first commandment forbid us to honor the saints in heaven? The first commandment does not forbid us to honor the saints in heaven, provided we do not give them the honor that belongs to God alone.

For, behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. (Luke 1:48)

Why do we honor the saints in heaven? We honor the saints in heaven because they practiced great virtue when they were on earth, and because in honoring those who are the chosen friends of God we honor God Himself.

Day #112: How to honor the Saints

How can we honor the saints? We can honor the saints: first, by imitating their holy lives; second, by praying to them; third, by showing respect to their relics and images.

Brethren, be imitators of me, and mark those who walk after the pattern you have in us. (Philippians 3:17)

When we pray to the saints what do we ask them to do? When we pray to the saints we ask them to offer their prayers to God for us.

Day #113: Why do we honor relics?

How do we know that the saints will pray for us? We know that the saints will pray for us because they are with God and have great love for us.

Why do we honor relics? We honor relics because they are the bodies of the saints or objects connected with the saints or with Our Lord.

Wheel Inside a Wheel

Quite impossible to climb

Some times are physical bodies are limited, I wonder if our souls are.
Some times are physical bodies are limited, I wonder if our souls are. | Source

Some thoughts

I do not know about everyone but I find this dogma/doctrine/ritual very interesting. As you can see they have scriptural foundation in this practice. I would say that as both my parents have passed I pray about them. OK, I admit it I pray somewhat to them as I search for answers to some of life problems. I say to myself what would dad do in this situation? What would bring honor or dishonor to my family?

I believe souls weren’t born and souls don’t die. They simply exist in different plains. So why couldn’t we get into a prayerful and meditative state and communicate with those who have passed, of course it would be a one sided conversation.

And so it is that if we keep an open mind we can learn much from others with a different point of view. Who knows maybe sometimes we will even adopt for ourselves their point of view.

Faith formulated and basically created by man is a tricky wicket. Oh there could be 100’s of thousands, and in fact there are who whole heartedly disagree with this concept and the interpretation of the scriptures that are used to support it. That is fine by me.

Let us just assume that souls do not die. Let us just assume that God is love. And let us just assume that the love does not die with the passing of the body. Well then one could just suppose that our souls are still together in love with those that have passed. I think of the adults that showed me love as a young child and taught me great lessons and perspectives. They have not passed from my love and adoration and respect though their bodies have passed on. In fact I still find comfort in their bosom. For me that is really cool and a healthy part of my life.

Are we to deny ourselves of the love of our parents because their bodies are dead? I won’t do it. I can’t do it. I have a wonderful best friend who lived quite close by. We would meet 5 days a week to walk in nature and then exercise at the gym. Early morning style. Life circumstances had him move a good distance away. We email, text and phone most every day. Has he left my heart because of the distance between us and our lack of being with each other? Certainly not. Here in my writing circle I have friends whom I have never met body to body and live half the world away. But we share feelings, hope and love. Does this distance make any difference? Of course not. How much more so is our connection with the loving souls who have died in the flesh? I think it would be absurd to think that we are less close to those people because of their earthly passing.

And so we give adoration and honor to the saints in our lives who have passed on from this plain. Now a cool thing about our Roman Catholic church is that through their process they have kept great historical documentation of great people who live extraordinary lives. This is a very good thing indeed. Oh of course I have bones to pick about that process and don’t buy into their notions completely. But I learned a long time ago that we can study a concept and take from it the good for us even though we are not totally in agreement with it. Wonderful things come from people, places and circumstances that we are not in accord with. I hope that each person can look for the good in everything they encounter.

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Do you believe we are watched over by souls, whose body has passed.

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      Chris Mills 10 months ago from St. Louis, MO until the end of June, 2017

      Very interesting thoughts, Eric. In all my time in ministry, I never looked into the Catholic beliefs about the saints. This is food for thought.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Chris, I just found it very interesting. Life changing no. But the more I learn the stronger my faith.

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      Bill Holland 10 months ago from Olympia, WA

      I was raised a Catholic and I have no clue. Hey, when we were kids, there were saint trading cards, like Fleer baseball cards. We collected them and traded them. LOL I just thought of that.

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      John Hansen 10 months ago from Queensland Australia

      Another very interesting hub, Eric.

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      Norine Williams 10 months ago

      Jodah: Leviticus 19:17 "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise REBUKE thy neighbor, and NOT SUFFER SIN UPON HIM!"

      Now that's "LOVE!"

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 10 months ago from Southern Illinois

      When I read your story it brought back a time in the early 70's. I went to a catholic priest for cancelling. He gave me a catholic bible and I started studying the catechisms. I am nor catholic, but I learned to love the saints through their words. Today, I attend a Methodist church, but I am not Methodist. I believe in all religions who teach love and beauty in a world that's full of religious hate. Mother Theresa is one that I dearly love, she gave so much, yet received so little in this life. I like to think of her being in heaven with the children, laughing and teaching them as she did here on earth. This was a beautiful peace. I'm sure all the saints shed tears yesterday when a religious fanatic took the lives of people who loved differently. God help the world to love and honor all people. God will be the judge.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, thank you. What up with that hub you published and then unpublished? Will we see it over at creativeexiles.com?

      This notion of Saints is really interesting.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I really like that about the saint cards. Me thinks better than video games. This article to me is a kind of "I wonder if".

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Ruby, I do believe that Heaven weeps for us poor souls. That sure is a nice comment, with insight that is valuable to all of us who are open minded.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine I just about let your long rant of repetition stay approved. But I dare say that you attacked a person again. Of course I understand the Biblical use of the word/concept of "rebuke" and believe it to be most easily understood as this: "To reprimand; strongly warn; restrain." I just do not see in there; call names, attack personally, accuse, defame, denigrate or act in a manner that appears hateful.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I let your second comment stay approved. It is concise and not an attacking diatribe. But I wonder if I should as it has nothing at all to do with this article.

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      manatita44 10 months ago from london

      We travel similar Paths, Eric. I grew up an Anglican, but I had more faith in the Evangelicals, and later in the Catholic Church. They preserve the purity of the teachings in the Vatican, although they may not necessarily share them with us.

      Things such as Saints talking to God and healing Souls are, or can be controversial. Again, they have at times been accused of being too liberal in creating or canonising Saints.

      Some Saints were truly remarkable: Therese Newman the German Stigmatist; Theresa of Lieusieux, the French Mystic; Theresa of Avila, the great servant of God and contemporary of John of the Cross who wrote The Dark Night of The Soul.

      Brother Laurence and his Practice of The Presence of God, a truly great book; Thomas A Kempis and his Imitation of Christ, supposedly second in popularity only to the Bible; Julian of Norwich and many many more. We used to have their pictures in our homes.

      What a wonderful article! A Sermon, I say. You seem to be a God-lover; a Seeker of Truth with Zen mind, meaning beginner's mind. I commend you. We are all eternal seekers. Let us continue...much Peace.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you Manatita,

      We are blessed to have our intellect. Searching always searching for greater understanding. It is a fine road we take to happy destiny.

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      John Hansen 10 months ago from Queensland Australia

      Answering your question, Eric. My new hub "No More Unicorns" was unpublished due to duplication.,I had originally included the text of the poem "Leisure" by HW Davies, which I had to remove. As you see it is published now. Thanks.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Already enjoyed your piece.

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      John Ward 10 months ago

      Fully enjoyed it Eric. Well written and researched as usual. Keep up good work. Always feel affirmed by what you write. John W

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      Dana Tate 10 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      Interesting article. I just read a book about the lives of the Saints. I admire people who demonstrate deep faith, past and present.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you much John. I am always glad to hear of a positive influence on another.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hi Dana, I was not able to get into the concept of emulation. But I think reading as you have done helps us to at least try and imitate.

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      Wayne Carlisle 10 months ago from Manhattan

      Eric, I thoroughly enjoyed this article on The Saints. I am not Catholic but I do believe a lot of what they do and not sure about praying to the Saints but I do respect your beliefs and know that we are all headed the same direction as those before us who have paved the way for us to finish the work Christ Jesus started. I grew up as a Baptist learning the word and to serve but not the doctrinal portion of it. I believe Christ Jesus is the same today as He was yesterday and that the Saints still today move in His Spirit with all the workings He did and even greater. I have visited many different denominations in my life span and I have seen God work in all of them and the same with different religions except Satanism. I believe we all are one physically and in spirit. We were all made of this earth except women who were made from man and his best part non the less. God created us to love Him and all for this is the blood that courses through His veins and it does ours. Many have given their lives for this fact to be known and shared. Just as Jesus the Christ did. I understand honor and so I can somewhat see talking to the Saints but to relics or images I am still out to lunch on that one. I do not even use the cross except in my heart and mind where I know my life was handed to me to give back through the serving of others. Ministry has been quite an inspirational experience through my life span. In it all it is about using God's eyes and heart to honor and serve those in need of hope, love and sustainable needs. When I write about my experiences or whats on my heart I write with passion. I want others to know what I have to share and what was given me on that cross and the day of resurrection. The article of mine you commented on is just the first part of much more to come of what I learned and have been shown by the Spirit of God to share. As I was told to write it and share it as given in Habakkuk 2:1-2

      Hope you all enjoy it. I do love the comments and differences of perspectives. Many Ministries but one Spirit.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you Wayne I enjoyed reading your perspective.

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      Frank Atanacio 10 months ago from Shelton

      It would have worked as a sermon for me.. love the concept and love how you preach it.. again another awesome hub..:)

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      manatita44 10 months ago from london

      For what its worth, the intellect is good. The intuitive mind is even better. However, 'seeking' happens on a deeper level...the God-search, that is. The Heart comes to the fore like a little child...humble, sweet, innocent and with a tremendous sense of oneness and identification.

      The intellect sometimes separates ...divides...lives with supremacy. You and me; I and them. Caught in vain-glory, it becomes a foe of all and a prisoner of itself. The Heart is all expansive...we, ours, togetherness, brotherhood ....is it's very nature. It is all inclusive...a family.

      Just another way of looking at things. Thought you might find it useful. The 'cry' comes from within. Once again, your sermon is very inspirational.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thanks much Frank. This was really fun to write.

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      Eric Dierker 10 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Manatita, what a cool perspective you have. It is somewhat true that my intellect is somewhere I go to rest from the strong feelings that spirituality brings. A respite from feeling.

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      Lawrence Hebb 9 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

      Eric

      A couple of years ago when my daughter was starting high school she really wanted to go to the Catholic one here.

      They insist that all their students are Catholics so we went along to the Baptism classes (I'm not getting into debate about whether that was right or not, I had no problems with them asking for that!)

      In the classes we went through the 'veneration of the saints' that I found fascinating and like you I probably have less problems with Catholicism now I know what they believe.

      By the way my girl decided not to be baptized a Catholic as she thought it would be wrong to do it for that notice, the local priest saw her integrity and decided to reward it by signing her admission papers.

      Great hub

      Lawrence

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      That is a marvelous story Lawrence, thank you for sharing it. Christian denominations all fascinate me. The stories and justifications behind traditions are worthy of our study.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      I Corinthians 10:21 "You can't serve TWO MASTERS" {paraphrasing}! What do you mean "you have LESS PROBLEMS WITH CATHOLICISM...?" YOU "FOOL!" Have you not read GOD IS A "JEALOUS GOD" (Exd 20:3)? Have you not read "NO SACRIFICES OR RITUALS" for "CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL" (Hebrews 7,8,9)? Do you think GOD "appreciates" you saying "I have LESS problems...?" Do you just "go alone to get alone" as the world? How then, can you call yourself "Christian?"

      What "Saints Go Marching In?"

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Norine you are a bit goofy. I know you think that makes you persecuted for and like Christ. But doing the same spiel over and over again expecting a different result than repulsion is pretty much the definition of insanity. Add to that your hearing of voices and your paranoia and anger and you might want to consider some help.

      Why would you want to make it hard for your neighbor to love you? By be so obnoxious aren't you thwarting God's will?

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      You call WORD I've given "goofy?" Your problem Eric, is that you believe what "man" has "taught" you rather than what WORD "ACTUALLY" SAYS!

      When I give WORD and It's AGAINST what you've been "taught," you don't give a D....! WHO CARES? GOD SAID IT but "That's not what I BELIEVE" is your attitude! Who in hell are you?

      For SALVATION, it would behoove you to READ HIS WORD vs "going alone to get alone!"

      You see even a child (Law's daughter) has more courage than you!

      As an adult, you "might need to seek some help!"

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I am quite certain that God allows people to let other people know what kind of person someone is. Anyone can see what kind of person you are.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      I am being "allowed by GOD to let other people know what kind of person someone's [beliefs] are!" TWISTED & NOT "AFTER THE CROSS!"

      No one can "see" (Spiritually) what kind of person I am otherwise they would "BELIEVE!"

      II Corinthians 4:3-4 "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of GOD, should shine unto them."

      GOD KNEW you guys existed before you did! lol

      I'm sorry! I pray!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      This is a total trip: "No one can "see" (Spiritually) what kind of person I am otherwise they would "BELIEVE!"

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      "Trip?" NOPE! It's ALL SPIRITUAL!

      Philippians 2:5 "Let THIS MIND be in you which was also in CHRIST JESUS." IF one has THE MIND of CHRIST, they would be WITH ONE ACCORD and could "see" the SAME as CHRIST.

      I quote the WORD of GOD which is the MIND of CHRIST! Isaiah 8:20 says "To the law and to the testimony: (Did you hear that Eric? "To the LAW & to the TESTIMONY?") if they speak NOT according to this WORD, it is because THERE IS NO LIGHT (JESUS) IN THEM!"

      I pray!

      IF GOD IS GOD, THEN FOLLOW GOD (WORD)!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      It must be a burden to be the Grand interpreter and translator of the Word. Only yours is the right understanding. Must be hard on your ego.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      What "ego?" You know what, I have to go to dictionary to look up definition although I think it means "boasting!" LISTEN! There is NOTHING of myself! I (as you call it - "Voice") "HEAR" from GOD and write! The only problem I have, I know what HE SAYS to me but I can't remember where to find it in Scripture to "PROVE" to you guys "IT IS WRITTEN!" Sometimes HE TELLS ME THINGS and I've NEVER read in Scripture! Once I told my aunt, "I am righteous by Faith" and didn't know (at that time) It was in Scripture! When CHRIST is in you, you open your mouth and HE SPEAKS through it as HE did with "MOSES!" Once Hubber told me "It's neat how you can respond quickly with WORD" to which I responded, it's not "me," BUT GOD! I'm only a "vessel!" HE could have used a "jackass" (Numbers 22:18) but HE chose me and I give HIM ALL THE GLORY! Hallelujah!

      "Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; BUT our sufficiency is of GOD" (II Corinthians 3:5)!

      You see! It's EASY when one "Walks in the Spirit" (Galatians 5:16)! Join me!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Yes I do believe that your "look how great I am, I am chosen" attitude is your ego speaking. You boast too much of your connection to be believed.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      I "ACCIDENTALLY" ran across HP! I had this "attitude" before I came, and will have it (I pray!) even moreso when I leave.

      How "great am I?" I never "brag" about myself but ONLY preach "CHRIST and HIM crucified!" Can you say that of your "sermons?"

      "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the disputer of this world? hath not GOD made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of GOD the world knew not GOD, it pleased GOD by foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign. and the Greeks seek after wisdom: BUT WE PREACH CHRIST CRUCIFIED, UNTO THE JEWS A STUMBLING BLOCK, AND UNTO THE GREEKS FOOLISHNESS. But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, "CHRIST" the POWER of GOD (tell me JESUS is not the Holy Spirit), and the wisdom of GOD. Because the foolishness of GOD is wiser than men; and the weakness of GOD is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, ARE CALLED. BUT GOD hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and GOD hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world and things which are despised, HATH GOD CHOSEN, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: THAT NO FLESH SHOULD GLORY IN HIS PRESENCE. But of HIM are ye in CHRIST JESUS, who GOD is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as IT IS WRITTEN, (I told you "Holy Spirit would "lead" me to the Scripture that says men should not glorify one another!") HE THAT GLORIETH, LET HIM GLORY IN THE LORD" (I Corinthians 1:18-31)!

      I Corinthians 3:3 "For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?"

      We MUST "Walk in the Spirit" or continue to show how "carnal" we are!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      And your telling the world that your above comment is directly from God just using you as a conduit?

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      John Hansen 9 months ago from Queensland Australia

      I have never heard anyone more deluded in my life.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      John, I hope it reminds me not to discount other views that are at least within the realm of sanity. Most people and I have differences yet more similarities. I just can't claim that with her.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      II Corinthians 4:1-4 "Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the WORD of GOD deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of GOD. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of CHRIST, who is the image of GOD, should shine unto them."

      ERIC: YES! It is GOD SPEAKING! John 1:1 "And the WORD is GOD" (SPEAKING)!

      JODAH: "Deluded" because you have NEVER heard or been "taught" TRUTH!

      THE TIME IS NOW!

      NOW to "STUDY" WORD for themselves and stop "going alone to get alone!"

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Maybe you might have a little point Norine -- if you were not so obnoxious and irritating as to drive anyone from anywhere away from the Bible by your speech. If you are a reflection of Christ I cannot imagine anyone wanting to be a Christian.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      And BELIEVE WORD (GOD), you ARE NOT!

      Anyone that does not want to hear WORD (GOD), "there is no LIGHT in them" (Isaiah 8:20)!

      When WORD is presented, IF YOU ARE REALLY SEEKING SALVATION, one would "Search the Scriptures to see if so" (Acts 17:11) rather than saying "That's crazy because it's against my "tradition" or "teachings" which is NOT the characteristics of a "TRUE CHRISTIAN!"

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      Chris Mills 9 months ago from St. Louis, MO until the end of June, 2017

      Norine, your insistence that you are the mouthpiece of God on HubPages is the epitome of ego and arrogance. God does not need you, you need Him. "Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God that he may exalt you in due time." WORD.

      One more point I'd like to make. It's one thing to trash talk in the forums, but to crash the comment section of some else's hub like you are doing here on Eric's hub is simply rude. I've reported you before for doing this and I will again.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I reckon Chris that there comes a time when someone exercises their right to free speech in a way that infringes on someone else's. I think you may be correct in assessing Norine as someone who infringes on other's right to assemble peaceably. Perhaps we have a duty to others to do something about it.

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      Chris Mills 9 months ago from St. Louis, MO until the end of June, 2017

      I fully agree, Eric.

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      Dana Tate 9 months ago from LOS ANGELES

      I second that. It's one thing to make a comment and another thing to dissect someone's work and literally try to tear it apart and then try to embarrass them in front of their followers. This person has the audacity to follow every comment someone is making and then answer them as if this is her page, that is not only rude but disrespectful. I don't know who she is working for but the mouth piece of God, uplifts, encourage, and edifies. The mouth piece of the Devil does the exact opposite.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      The "mouthpiece" of GOD tells ALL "TRUTH!"

      Have you not heard "There is another Side of GOD?" Ask Pharaoh and others who fell under the "WRATH OF GOD!"

      Hebrews 10:31 "It is a FEARFUL THING to fall into the hands of the Living GOD!"

      Eric speaks to me and asks me questions! Have you not noticed that? He "disagrees," but is "curious" which I can't say for MOST!

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Dana I have been around awhile and never seen anything quite so persistently obnoxious. I met a Catholic priest who really thought he was a mouth piece for God and his love and gentleness and compassion made it believable. Vitriolic nastiness and the stalking sure does not seem very Christlike. I have tried to study her in order to learn about such folk, but it is like analyzing a deadly car crash -- the human waste of a life gets to you.

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      Chris Mills 9 months ago from St. Louis, MO until the end of June, 2017

      Eric, the false humility actually calls attention to the person and away from the God she supposedly serves. Paul said, "Not I, but Christ lives in me." John the Baptist said "He (Christ) must increase, I must decrease." This person makes everything about her. If it wasn't so, we would not be discussing her right now. We might actually be discussing your insightful article.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Chris that is a very valid point. Maybe that is why she makes me feel so uneasy, when I feel perfectly at ease speaking about the good stuff, even with someone I disagree with.

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      John Hansen 9 months ago from Queensland Australia

      Maybe it is attention seeking because she can't get anyone to read and comment on her own hubs.

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      Eric Dierker 9 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Well I have never seen the concept of being one's own worst enemy apply so aptly.

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      Norine Williams 9 months ago

      Why did you "delete" the WORD which says "LIES you teach your children about GOD will "curse" them for four generations?" Now whose "one's own worst enemy?"

      Just because you've been "taught" right is wrong and wrong is right, doesn't make it right! If GOD SAID IT, whether you or I like IT, there's NOTHING we can do about IT whether it goes against "our belief" or not! If one can "rightly divide HIS WORD," one can "wrongly" divide IT also and that's what those popes and pastors have done (RELIGION)! Those who have no "Spiritual" guidance, rather go to "schools & seminaries" to be "taught" TWISTED DOCTRINE is what I see in the world!

      I give y'all Scripture yet WHO CARES?

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