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Where is Heaven?

Updated on November 29, 2011

The Three Sections of Heaven in the Bible

This Hub is in response to answer a question posted by my friend OpinionDuck.
Where is heaven? OpinionDuck asks many other good questions in his hub, but I only deal with the first question, Where is Heaven. I used to have the link posted here, but it appears the hub is no longer posted.

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The Holy Bible (KJV) is my final authority. If you have a different view, or no view on a final authority, naturally you may not agree with these conclusions. That’s ok, we can still be friends as far as I am concerned. With that said, I would ask you to acknowledge that heaven is a biblical concept. Heaven comes from the Torah, the first five books of Moses in the Bible. It did not come from science, it came from the Hebrew's religion and today is a biblical concept, thus I see no valid reason why biblical references should be casually set aside.

So where is heaven?

The most simple answer is, “up.” But we know that will not do.

The Bible describes “heaven” with three sections. The first reference is given in Genesis starting in 1:1 "God created the heaven and the earth."

In the bible, what we call the universe was called “the deep” and it was solid water. Jumping to verse 6 we read, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.”

So, what is a firmament? Today we call it outer-space. Even the Bible describes the process where one can easily understand.

Gen.8: And God called the firmament heaven…

Gen.14: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years;

Gen.15: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth; and it was so.

Gen.16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also.

We can see the sun the moon and all the stars in this verse. Clearly we see a picture of outer space, however, the firmament includes earth’s atmosphere too as we see in Genesis 1:20. And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and the fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Applying logic the waters that are above the firmament are also above the sun the moon and the stars, in other words, somewhere at the end of deep space is a whole bunch of water. This may be difficult for some to believe, but that is what the verse is saying.

So where is the throne of God?

God’s throne is the third section of heaven. I avoid saying three heavens, but rather prefer one heaven in three sections, much like one house with 3 stories. It is this third section where the throne of God is. And… it is above the waters, the sea of separation.

The first heaven = our atmosphere

The second heaven = outer space

The sea above outer space = the sea of separation

Above the sea of separation is the Third Heaven, God’s Throne.

Note the following verses.

And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: (Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

"Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens."(Psalms 148:4 KJV)

"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven."
(II Cor. 12:2 KJV) The Apostle Paul’s letter to the Corinthians.


And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: …
(Revelation 4:6 KJV)

And why was the water like crystal?

"The waters are hid as [with] a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen."
(Job 38:30 KJV)

In geology rocks are considered to be in a frozen state. Geology also considers Ice a rock in its frozen state.

And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
(Revelation 15:2 KJV)

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
(Revelation 21:1 KJV)

I hope this helps answer the question, where is heaven?

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      saddlerider1 7 years ago

      Come on UP...I will take door number ONE please, that is the Heaven door right Mr.Barker? Yes but look at what you will be missing down below. I fully understand sir, but I would prefer door number 1...are you sure you want to take that risk, yes sir, I am fully aware of the consequences..I like HOT places but not that type of HOT..give me the highway to heaven not to HELL..I will stand by my faith, door number ONE it is. Thanks again Harlan, very well explained and self-explanatory. Thumbs up.

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      Harlan Colt 7 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

      Saddlerider1,

      I know the scriptures say that heaven is beyond our ability to comprehend, however, I struggle to undestand how it could be much better than cruising in my 57 chevy with golden oldies on the stereo. I am sure it is, but for now, for me, cruizing in my car is heaven on earth! HA!

      - Harlan

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      dogsbreath 6 years ago from out of the wilds of WA

      Hi Harlan, I find your analysis of the text interesting and understand why you have come to those conclusions. I was just hoping for a non physical eternity. any way.. if we don't get to meet before hand.. keep and eye out for me. Cheers Dogsbreath

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      Harlan Colt 6 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

      Dogsbreath,

      I am always open to another point of view on such matters. I do not consider this topic a salvation issue. Thus, if one believes heaven is in their attic, I do not believe they will go to hell for it, though, God may want to look at which Bible version they are using. It would most likely be the NIV.

      - Best Wishes

      - Harlan

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      dags the drover 6 years ago from still lost in Western Australia

      Hi Harlan, we're getting into very interesting territory here regarding the Insiration of Scripture, and how over time that Inspired Word has come to us in english? I think if one really wants to be a serious biblical scholar, one really needs to go a bit further back.... like to the Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew. Don't you think? Well, that's what I was taught at Bible college any way.

      And, by the way... many blessings and great to see hubs on these topics Harlan... Dags the Drover

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      dogsbreath 6 years ago from out of the wilds of WA

      Hey Harlan.. I agree with Dags.

      - dogsbreath

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      Harlan Colt 6 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

      Dags & dogsbreath,

      If one wants to be a Bible Scholar, one could learn Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. But they would need to learn them as well as a native language, else it would be very easy to misinterpret something. Likewise, people forget that many of the Biblical manuscripts in the original Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew - were tossed out due to tampering, edited or missing words, and doctrinal changes.

      We naturally assume that a Bible Scholar is a Christian, or theologian, however, one could be a fabulous Bible Scholar and not a Christian. Christianity is about faith and relationship with Christ. One can be a bible scholar and completely void of faith.

      I believe the bottom line is this: God promised to preserve his Word.

      "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." - Psalms 12:6-7.

      Not to mention, John 1:1 we read, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God."

      "... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."

      I believe that flesh to be Jesus Christ. Regardless, we have two options at this point.

      Either God's perfect, preserved word is available to this generation, or He is a liar. If God is a liar, then why even bother with any level of faith? Lets all go eat, drink and be merry, because that is as good as its going to get for us. When we die its all over.

      But I know in my heart, God is not a liar. He did preserve his word and it is available to us. And what is really cool about it is, I don't need to learn Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew because I already have it in English! WOW - what a time saver!

      We like to talk about translators of old, maybe they made a mistake or something. Well, hold up there... lets back up a little farther. Let's go back to Nimrod and the tower of Babel.

      (I've edited the verses to shorten the reading)

      And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. -Genesis 11:1

      And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language...

      ...let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth...

      Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth...

      - Genesis 11:6-9

      Do we not accept that God changed men's tongues in those days? Thus being said, God created all the different languages. IF he created them, then wouldn't he be able to translate them perfectly from one language to another? If he created all things, then shouldn't he be able to preserve his word forever, even by using imperfect humans with which to do it?

      My God can, and he did. I don't need to learn a bunch of foreign languages, and unless you want to be a bible scholar, neither do you. I am still learning my own native speech.

      I don't know of any verse or command in all the Bible that tells the faithful, to be Bible Scholar's. I do have two verses that come to mind though:

      1. Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.- Proverbs 3:5

      (or Bible Scholars who contradict God's word).

      2. "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth."

      Sorry for giving such a long answer, it happens sometimes. I will be addressing some of these topics in other hubs in the future.

      - Thank you for your comments.

      - Best Wishes,

      - Harlan

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      dags the drover 6 years ago from still lost in Western Australia

      HI Harlan, thank you for your well thougt out and lengthy repsonse. Firstly, I agree with you about both God's intent and ability to bring His Words into man's language in the now.

      Also, I like you have been the recipient of many encouragements and affirmations here on Hubpages and I note that the hubpages community is not prone to too much disagreement. So, I too want to affirm your writing and I think it is really great that we can put forward our thoughts and convictions in such a format.

      But at the end of the the day, I am not convinced that the KJV is any more inspired than any other translation, be it the NIV or any other.

      Cheers Dags

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      Harlan Colt 6 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

      I agree, the KJV is not any more inspired. It's about what the changes are. The claim is always to bring the bible to a more modern language and make it easier to understand. However, the NIV alone has over 40,000 missing words, 17 verses - completely gone, and the NIV editors themselves confess they do not believe in the Blood of Christ as payment for sin. Thus, the Blood of Christ has been removed from the NIV over 45 times. The bible is our sword to do spiritual battle, it is our armor against Satan. If your sword and armor has been dulled , what good is that? The bible says in the last days the church will grow weak. The NIV also trades places with Jesus and Satan in two places. How weak is your church going to be with a bible like that? The NIV is very inspired, but I am not so sure about the source of inspiration! I am working on an article to explain those changes in depth. I hope to post it soon.

      - God Bless,

      - Harlan

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      dags the drover 6 years ago from still lost in Western Australia

      Hi Harlan, good to see some thorough disussion on these issues. However, may I say that we could debate the issues above until Jesus comes again and not convince each other. Also, I'm not contending for the NIV any more than any other english version of the Bible. Above you have listed many differences between the KJV & NIV. the one problem I have with above argument is that it assumes that the translators of the KJV got it 100% right in the first place. I'm not sure that was the case.

      My limited training taught me that the best exegesis of the text is to take the most accurate Nestle Greek text, which is usually the most recent edition (for the New Testament) and deconstruct the grammer of the text or passage in question using the age old process of parsing. Then using the wealth of disctionaries of biblical words, understanding grammer and so on to reconstruct the meaning inherent in the original, not necessarily translating the literal words. By doing this, one "gets out" (exegetes) the meaning. Of course my description here is general and incomplete, but it suggests a process that has nothing to do with which version is "right" and which is "wrong" so to speak.

      So..., I think arguements about the verasity of different translations is a bit of a waste of time. My conviction is that the Holy Spirit can overcome all of our human frailties to guide and encourage us. My own expereince has been, that God has used the same non-christian couple to encourage and support us on three different occassions when we found ourselves in crisis. I find that amazing and humbling.

      Bless you and cheers Dags the Drover

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      Harlan Colt 6 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

      Dags,

      I can debate the KJV vs all the versions all day long, but I cannot debate what you said about the Holy Spirit, and the way God uses (non-christians etc.) various resources. That point I humbly concede.

      Blessings to you my friend as well,

      see you in the air...

      -Harlan

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      dags the drover 6 years ago from still lost in Western Australia

      Hi Harlin, well... after all that, all I can give you is a good old aussie greeting... goodonya mate! Cheers Dags

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      FaithDream 6 years ago from (Midwest) USA

      Interesting hub... I've never seen that photo before.

      I know my Father's house has many rooms and He is preparing a special place for me. What that place is, I can only imagine, but I'm excited about spending eternity there.

      Thanks for sharing this.

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      Harlan Colt 6 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

      Dags... I'm pleased that you have stumbled by!

      Yer a dinki-di mate, says this yobbo from Idaho.

      FaithDream... Yes, I have my mansion all planned out on paper - in my head anyway. I know it won't work that way, but we do love to dream aye?

      - God Bless ya mates

      - Harlan

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      Guanta 5 years ago from New York City

      Thank you Harlan, I appreciated your explanation of Heaven. One thing is for sure, since God's Word does not return void, I'm sure that Heaven will be beyond belief.

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