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Why Jews Reject Christianity

Updated on May 7, 2019
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Christianity started over 2000 years ago. It was based on the Jewish bible in the belief that the Messiah had come as the fulfillment of prophecy found in the Old Testament (Tanakh). Throughout history, many Christians have tried to convert Jews to their faith, but with little success.

Why is this the case?

The purpose of this article will explore the differences between Christians and Jews on their concepts of:

  • Who God is.
  • His requirements.
  • Who is the Messiah and his role in the end-times?
  • Sin and how it can be atoned for.
  • God’s laws and whether they are relevant today.
  • Whether the Jews are God’s chosen people.

Christians have challenged Jews for centuries.

However, do the Jews have any relevance in their beliefs today, or do Christian arguments against them take precedence when it comes to Scripture?

A Historical Perspective

Over 3,000 years ago, the Jews were delivered from their bondage of slavery from Egypt and were chosen as God’s people or His ‘servant’ to be His ‘witnesses’ to the world. God would make an everlasting covenant with them (Genesis 17:7-8).

Yet now hear, O Jacob My servant, and Israel, whom I have chosen – Isaiah 44:1

Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have I not announced unto thee of old, and declared it? And ye are My witnesses. Is there a God beside Me? Yea, there is no Rock; I know not any. – Isaiah 44:8

Throughout history, the Jewish people have outlasted all the great empires as a remnant nation and have had to endure extreme anti-Semitic persecution from those who wanted them to conform to their foreign cultures and beliefs.

Take heed to yourselves, lest your heart be deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them – Deuteronomy 11:6

But ye that did cleave unto the LORD your God are alive every one of you this day – Deuteronomy 4:4

In 586 BCE, after the first Temple was destroyed by the Babylonians, the Jews were led into exile. It wouldn’t be until 70 years later that a scribe named Ezra would lead a large number of Jews back to Jerusalem to reclaim their land and rebuild their Temple. He would assemble the Jewish High Court, the Men of the Great Assembly (Anshei Keneset HaGedolah) that included Zechariah, Nehemiah and Daniel. One of the achievements of the Sanhedrin assembly was that they canonized the Tanakh (Old Testament). Books were selected that were consistent with their beliefs and the laws of the Torah that included the prophecies that were of relevant to the Jewish people as well as those that would help identify the Messiah.

As the men of the assembly passed away, sages known as the Tanaaim would lead the Jewish people into the Talmudic time.

Hellenism

During the Second Temple Era, the Jews faced a serious challenge to their faith as the influence of Hellenism spread to Israel through the conquests of Alexander the Great. The man-centred philosophy of Greece would conflict with God’s Torah that the Jews believed in. Many would start to embrace Greek culture and these influences eventually be the foundation of Christianity that that the Jews believe was birthed in Greek mythology. The belief in God-man born from virgin that was destined to become a saviour was not something new in Greek mythology and foreign to Judaism.

The Christian bible containing the New Testament was written almost in its entirety in Greek. The Tanakh was written in Hebrew.

Paul upon his personal revelation would be the biggest promoter and influence upon Christianity who would spread his message of redemption from the curse of the Torah through faith in Jesus Christ.

Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree: - Galatians 3:13

As Christianity became more prevalent, more pagan influences were introduced such as the Trinity doctrine, vicarious atonement and pagan holiday celebrations. When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire, all Jewish ties were severed with the focus on appealing to the pagan nations.

Some of the official Christian holidays with pagan origins are as follows:

  • The weekly ritual of Sunday worship to the Sun god.
  • The celebration of the birth of a God-man born on December 25th during the Winter Solstice.
  • The celebration of the resurrection of the God-man during the festival of the goddess Astarte with its fertility symbols of eggs and rabbits.

Representation of a massacre of the Jews in 1349 Antiquitates Flandriae (Royal Library of Belgium manuscript 1376/77)
Representation of a massacre of the Jews in 1349 Antiquitates Flandriae (Royal Library of Belgium manuscript 1376/77)

Anti-Semetism

Although Christianity portrays itself as a religion of love, it has a dark past being one of the greatest threats to the Jewish people over the centuries. The Church’s clergy imposed their will with both religious and economic oppression with atrocities that included slaughter.

Christians try to blame the Roman Catholic Church to absolve themselves of the Crusades, the Inquisition and other pogroms. However, even Martin Luther who was the founder of the Protestant Reformation was anti-Semitic. He proclaimed that Catholicism was corrupt and offered a revised form of Christianity. It should be obvious what became of Protestant Germany and how it affected the Jewish people.

“First, their synagogues should be set on fire, and whatever does not burn up should be covered or spread over with dirt so that no one may ever be able to see a cinder or stone of it. And this ought to be done for the honor of G-d and of Christianity in order that G-d may see that we are Christians... secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed... thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer books and Talmuds... fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach anymore... To sum up, dear princes and nobles who have Jews in your domains, if this advice of mine does not suit you, then find a better one so that you and we may all be free of this insufferable devilish burden, the Jews...” - Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies

Hitler’s Kampf und Luther’s Lehr Des deutschen Volkes gute Wehr (Hitler’s fight and Luther’s teaching are the best defense for the German people) Nazi propaganda poster 1933.
Hitler’s Kampf und Luther’s Lehr Des deutschen Volkes gute Wehr (Hitler’s fight and Luther’s teaching are the best defense for the German people) Nazi propaganda poster 1933.

Christian history and the brutal persecutions towards the Jews should be obvious, but most Christians avoid these historical facts.

We have to ask ourselves,

Why was the Second Temple destroyed and why did the Holocaust happen?

Christians are quick to respond that it was because God was angry with the Jews because they rejected Jesus as the Messiah. The New Testament is filled with stories that portray them as heartless and ruthless people. No wonder Christians look at the Jewish people with contempt and resentment. Throughout history, New Testament passages have been used to incite anti-Semitism and bloodshed.

But when he [John the Baptist] saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? - Matthew 3:7

You [Jews] are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. - John 8:44

The Jews, who both killed the lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but are hostile to all men! - 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15

Although some Christians did have compassion on the Jews during the Holocaust and other times of severe persecution, so did similar acts come from those of other faiths.

Christians may wonder why it is so difficult to convert Jews to their faith. One of the clear factors is their history of anti-Semitism.

What is interesting is that nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures does it state that the Messiah during the Messianic era would be the second person of The Trinity called, ‘God the Son’ who would be born of a virgin whose purpose was to suffer and die as a human sacrifice for the atonement of sins of al those who would believe in him and then one day return a second time. These things are foreign to the Jews. They believe that Christians have butchered their Scriptures and have interpolated Jesus into them.

When Jews encounter Christian evangelists who want to share the ‘Good News’ with them, they do not see it as ‘good’ at all because none of what they are saying was prophesied in their Hebrew Scriptures.

Most Christians are unaware that the Jews differ with them on mostly all major theological issues.

Has There Been Christian Tampering of Scripture?

The difference between Judaism and Christianity is that Christians want the Jews to trust in the New Testament. They will say that all of the claims about Jesus being the Messiah are supported in the Tanakh (Old Testament).

However, it should be stated that the New Testament must be filtered through the Old Testament (Tanakh) first for it to be deemed true. It cannot be the other way around.

According to Jews, a careful study of the Tanakh and the New Testament reveals that the basis of Christianity is built upon painting Jesus into the passages of the Old Testament. When looking at some citations from New Testament authors more closely, it reveals some major discrepancies. It reveals evidence of mistranslated Hebrew text, eisegesis and things that seem to be made up.

This may be a hard pill to swallow for the who believe the English translation of their Christian bible is infallible.

The Tanakh

The word ‘TaNaCh’ is a name formed by the three sections of Jewish Scripture.

  • Torah (first five books)
  • Nevi’im (Prophets)
  • Ketuvim (Writings)

The Tanakh was canonized by the ‘Men of the Great Assembly’ around 500 BCE who placed great significance on the order of their books.

Around 800 years later, the Church would grafted their New Testament to the back of the Tanakh (Old Testament) becoming the Christian bible. They would also make their own translations and rearrange the order of the books in the Tanakh to make it appear that they flowed better into the New Testament.

Different order of books between the Tanakh and the Christian bible.
Different order of books between the Tanakh and the Christian bible.

The new order of the books meant that the Tanakh would be called the ‘Old Testament’ superseding the New Testament.

From the chart, the evidence shows that the books of the Tanakh were rearranged to end with Malachi instead of 2 Chronicles. This was changed to make an easier transition into the New Testament’s book of Matthew because Malachi does not shed a good light on the Jews.

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. He will turn back [to God] the hearts of the fathers with their sons, and the hearts of the sons with their fathers, so that I will not come and strike the land with a curse. - Malachi 3:23-24

According to the Christian rearrangement, this passage makes a great lead into the story of John the Baptist who would herald in the Messiah. However, in the book of John, he denies being Elijah the Prophet.

In contrast:

Thus said Cyrus king of Persia, “All the kingdoms of the earth has the Lord God of heaven given me; and He has charged me to build Him a house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever is among you of all His people, the Lord his God be with him, and let him go up!” - II Chronicles 36:23

Are Christians ‘Proof-Texting’ the Hebrew Scriptures?

There are many citations in the New Testament that claim that Jesus was the fulfillment of the prophecies in the Tanakh (Old Testament). However, according to the Jews, he did not fulfill any of them. They will say that any so-call ‘proof-text’ is either a misquote, mistranslation, eisegesis or even made up.

Either the Jews are liars or the evidence can be examined, weighed and tested to see whether their claims are true.

Matthew 2:14

When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, “Out of Egypt have I called my son.” - Matthew 2:14

The passage in the New Testament is saying that shortly after Jesus was born, Mary and Joseph fled into Egypt to escape Herod as the fulfillment of a passage in the Tanakh.

And you shall say unto Pharaoh, thus says the Lord, Israel is my son, my firstborn. – Exodus 4:22

When the context of the verse in Exodus is looked at more closely, it reveals that it is not about Jesus because there are numerous examples of Israel being referred to as a singular unit. According to the Jews, the author of Matthew has taken a historical event and has transformed it into a Messianic prophecy.

“All the people gathered as one man.” - Nehemiah 8:1

“When Israel was a youth I loved him, and out of Egypt I called My son.” - Hosea 11:1

Mathew 4:13-16

And leaving Nazareth, he [Jesus] came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zebulon and Nephthalim: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying, “The land of Zebulon, and the land of Naphtali, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles. The people, which sat in darkness, saw a great light, and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death, light is sprung up.” - Matthew 4:13-16

The author of Matthew wanted to show that Jesus fulfilled a prophecy of the places he would start his ministry and cites Isaiah as his source.

Therefore, behold the Lord is bringing up on them the mighty and massive waters of the river-the king of Assyria and all his wealth, and it will overflow all its distributaries and go over all its banks. – Isaiah 8:7

For there is no weariness to the one who oppresses her; like the first time, he dealt mildly, [exiling only] the land of Zebulun and the land of Naftali, and the last one he dealt harshly, the way of the sea, and the other side of the Jordan, the attraction of the nations. – Isaiah 8:23

The problem the with the citation in Matthew is that Isaiah 8 is about the king of Assyria’s assault on Israel’s Northern Kingdom. This led to 10 tribes being put into exile. The end of Isaiah 8 reveals Assyria’s affliction on Zebulun, Naftali and Galilee. These passages show how the king of Assyria afflicted these areas.

The Jew would ask the Christian,

What do these passages have to with Jesus?

Mistranslated Hebrew Passages

The Jews will say that Christian translators of the English bibles make their Tanakh (Old Testament) appear to reference Jesus by mistranslating their Hebrew texts.

Psalm 22:16

For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. – Psalm 22:16 KJV

It appears in this passage that someone’s hands and feet have been pierced.

Is this a prophecy predicting the crucifixion of Jesus?

The Jews do not believe this is passage is alluding to Jesus because they can see the obvious mistranslation of their language into English. Furthermore, the context of this verse is about King David and the travails of his life of those who were pursuing him.

For dogs have surrounded me; a band of evildoers has encompassed me, like a lion, my hands and feet. – Psalm 22:17 Tanakh

כִּֽי־סְבָב֗וּנִי כְּלָ֫בִ֥ים עֲדַ֣ת מְ֖רֵעִים הִקִּיפ֑וּנִי כָּֽ֜אֲרִ֗י יָדַ֥י וְרַגְלָֽי: - Psalm 22:17

The Jewish translation renders כָּֽ֜אֲרִ֗י, or ka’ari as ‘like a lion,’ not as ‘they pierced.’

David refers to those who were pursuing him as 'lions.'

Lest he tear my soul like a lion, rending it to pieces with no one to save [me]. – Psalm 7:3

The Christians bible has a mistranslation because in all other texts where ka’ari is found, it is correctly translated as 'lion.'

  • Numbers 24:9
  • Isaiah 38:13
  • Ezekiel 22:25

Psalm 2:12

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. – Psalm 2:12

The Christian translation is meant to give the impression that this verse is about Jesus and those who don’t put their trust in him as the ‘Son of God’ will suffer the consequences.

Arm yourselves with purity lest He become angry and you perish in the way, for in a moment His wrath will be kindled; the praises of all who take refuge in Him. – Psalm 2:12 Tanakh

נַשְּׁקוּ־בַ֡ר פֶּן־יֶאֱנַ֚ף | וְתֹ֬אבְדוּ דֶ֗רֶךְ כִּֽי־יִבְעַ֣ר כִּמְעַ֣ט אַפּ֑וֹ אַ֜שְׁרֵ֗י כָּל־ח֥וֹסֵי בֽוֹ: - Psalm 2:12

The Christian bibles have mistranslated the Hebrew word בַ֡ר, or bar that means 'purity.' It does not mean ‘son.’ Christians will say that it is based on an Aramaic translation of bar. However, it would be a farfetched notion to believe that David would put an Aramaic word into a Psalm he composed in Hebrew.

The plain reading of the Psalm is an admonition to the rulers of the world concerning their behaviour.

Cannot Reference the Source

Matthew 2:23

And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth that it might be filled which was spoken by the prophets, ‘He shall be called a Nazarene.’ - Matthew 2:23

Matthew states that it was prophesied that Jesus would be called a 'Nazarene.' What is interesting is that the phrase is found nowhere in the Tanakh (Old Testament) — neither does the word ‘Nazareth.’

The word Hebrew nazir can be found in Numbers 6:2 and Judges 13:5. It refers to a person who makes an oath to abstain from wine, but there is no connection to the city of Nazareth.

Mathew 27:9-10

Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; And gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord appointed me. – Matthew 27:9-10

Matthew cites Jeremiah as the foretelling of Judas betraying Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. The interesting thing is that there is no such thing found in Jeremiah whatsoever.

The closest you will get is:

And Jeremiah said, The word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Behold, Hanameel, the son of Shallum, your uncle shall come unto you, saying, Buy my field that is in Anathoth, for the right of redemption is yours to buy it. – Jeremiah 32:6-7

A passage in Zechariah comes a lot closer that Jeremiah.

And I said unto them, If you think it good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter, a goodly price that I was prized at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord. - Zechariah 11:12-14

In the end, the Jews will say that Matthew’s citation falls flat because there is nothing in Jeremiah that describes a fulfilled prophecy that pertains to Jesus.

The Virgin Birth

Isaiah 7:14

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. – Isaiah 7:14

The English translation in the Christian bible speaks of baby being born of a virgin. Christians reference this passage as a fulfilled prophecy about Jesus. The Jews will say that they have cherry-picked this verse out of context and also have mistranslated the passage.

When reading the first 16 verses in Isaiah 7, the actual context of the passage can be better understood.

And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz... king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Aram, and Pekah... king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to fight against it, but could not prevail against it... Moreover the Lord spoke again to Ahaz, saying, Ask a sign of the Lord your God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.

But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the Lord. And he said, Hear now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also?

[Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, the young woman is with child, and she will bear a son, and shall call his name Immanu-El.] Butter and honey shall he eat, when he shall know how to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know how to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land whose two kings you dread shall be deserted. - Isaiah 7:1-16

The Jews will say there is nothing from the context of the passage that alludes to a messianic prophecy about Jesus. The context is about the Syro-Ephraimite war. These events occurred during the lifetime of Isaiah, not something that would happen 700 years later.

Christians believe when Isaiah spoke this prophecy in the midst of war that a child would be born as a sign to them to be fulfilled 700 years into the future.

How would that have helped them at that point in time?

In Luke 1:30 it states:

And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

However, there is not one reference in the New Testament where anyone called Jesus, ‘Immanuel.'

In the context of Isaiah 7:14, the meaning of Immanuel, ‘God with us’ points to God’s divine protection over King Ahaz and his people. If God had not intervened (Isaiah 7:15-16), the combined armies of Syria and the North Kingdom would have destroyed the South Kingdom of Judah (Davidic dynasty). The woman in Isaiah 7:14 was already pregnant. This was a near term prophecy that was fulfilled in the immediate time frame. The plain reading of Isaiah 7 does not speak of a miraculous virgin birth nor is it about one that would happen 7 centuries later.

The correct translation of Isaiah 7:14 from Hebrew into English is:

Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.

לָ֠כֵן יִתֵּ֨ן אֲדֹנָ֥י ה֛וּא לָכֶ֖ם א֑וֹת הִנֵּ֣ה הָֽעַלְמָ֗ה הָרָה֙ וְיֹלֶ֣דֶת בֵּ֔ן וְקָרָ֥את שְׁמ֖וֹ עִמָּ֥נוּ אֵֽל: - Isaiah 7:14

Christian translators changed the word הָרָה֙, or harah that means ‘is pregnant’ to ‘shall conceive’ to make an implication that Isaiah was not speaking in the present tense of a birth in the near future, but one much later.

Harah is also used in Isaiah 26:

As a pregnant woman [harah] comes near to give birth, she shudders, she screams in her pangs, so were we because of You, O Lord. – Isaiah 26:17

Moreover, Christian translators changed the word ha’alma or ‘the young woman’ to mean ‘a virgin.’ However, the word for virgin is betulah in Hebrew. If Isaiah meant ‘a virgin,’ then there would have to be a virgin birth in Ahaz’s day — there is no mention anywhere of such an event occurring.

In the surrounding passages of Isaiah 7, there is nothing in the text that was intended to be a messianic prophecy. The actual fulfillment of these passages can be found in 2 Kings 15:29-30 and 2 Kings 16:5-9.

The Jews will say a ‘sign’ is something that is witnessed (seen) such as rainbows (Genesis 9:13-17) and circumcision (Genesis 17:11). A virgin birth could not be witnessed; therefore, could not be deemed a sign. The ‘sign’ in Isaiah 7 was when the child would know to reject good and bad (15-16). This was when the two kings (Pekah and Rezin) of the enemy nations were vanquished.

There are many that will still defend the word ‘virgin’ by citing the ‘Septuagint.’ The fact is that the original Septuagint that was a Greek translation from learned Jews was only of the first five books of Moses. This is universally agreed by both Jewish and Christian scholars. This means that the book of Isaiah was not even part of the original Septuagint. What is called the ‘Septuagint’ today was forged by the Church many centuries later.

Jews see the word ‘virgin’ is a mistranslation of their bible. The Septuagint uses this same word parthenos in Genesis 34:2-4 in reference to Dinah after she was raped. Even Christian translators have rejected Mathew's mistranslation in several Bible translations (RSV, REB, NJB, NEB and NRSV).

Atonement

The Jews reject the Christian doctrine of atonement through the blood of Jesus. This following verse will often be referenced for blood atonement for the soul.

For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul. - Leviticus 17:11

When this passage is not isolated on its own, the context becomes apparent.

And whoever there is of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among you, who eats any kind of blood; I will set my face against that soul who eats blood, and will cut him off from among his people. [For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul.]

Therefore I said to the people of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, nor shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood. And whoever there is of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among you, who hunts and catches any beast or bird that may be eaten; he shall pour out its blood, and cover it with dust.

For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for its life; therefore I said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any kind of flesh; for the life of all flesh is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off. - Leviticus 17:10-14

The context reveals the prohibition of consuming blood. It is not about the forgiveness of sins. The blood of an animal is its life force — it is not its parts that atones. Throughout the Tanakh, blood was not the only means of atonement and forgiveness.

Why Jews Reject Jesus as a Prophet

The Jewish people use the Torah as the guideline for their way of life and the principles they adhere to. It was through the Torah that they evaluated Jesus.

Christians will point to the Tanakh (Old Testament) to show the Jews where they believe Jesus is alluded to in the Torah.

I will raise them a prophet from among their brothers, like you [Moses], and will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it of him. - Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Who is a prophet like Moses?

Who is this passage speaking about?

Reading a few more verses gives the correct context.

I will raise them a prophet from among their brothers, like you, and will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whoever will not listen to My words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it of him. But the prophet, who shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.

And if you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken? When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing follows not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken, and the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. - Deuteronomy 18:18-22

This passage establishes the authority of all future prophets who claim to speak for God. It gives instruction on how to distinguish between a true and a false prophet. If a prophecy does not come about, then it should be known that that the person who claims to speak for God is false.

Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we want to see a sign from you. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah: For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. - Matthew 12:38-40

The Jews have a problem with Christians claiming that Jesus was a true prophet. According to Matthew, when he foretold his death and resurrection to them, he not reveal himself upon his resurrection to those who doubted him.

Instead, according to a Christian having faith in Jesus is about trusting in his followers that the resurrection happened even though the prophecy was given to the ‘scribes and Pharisees.’

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. - Matthew 16:28

In this passage, Jesus is telling his disciples that he will return to set up his kingdom before some of them die. According to the Jews, this obviously did not happen as all of his disciples he spoke to ended up in the grave. For this reason, they cannot accept Jesus as the Messiah as this goes against the instructions God gave to them in Deuteronomy.

If there arises among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder, comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods, which you have not known, and let us serve them’; you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God tests you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. – Deuteronomy 13:2-4

God allows miracle working prophets to come to test His people. Miracles are not a sign that necessitate they are from God. The magicians of Egypt performed miracles in front of Moses. This means that miracles do not prove the legitimacy that a supposed prophet is sent by God.

The criteria for Jews evaluating people who claim to speak for God is as follows:

  • Anyone who deviates from the Torah.
  • Any conception of God that has not been previously known.

This is why the Jews cannot accept Christianity because it is an impeachment of their beliefs. The New Testament asserts the eternal laws of God given to them in the Torah are no longer binding and then they are presented a triune God that was unknown to their ancestors.

The Jews believe that the age of prophecy ended with the completion of the Tanakh. They do not acknowledge any prophet outside of their books and see the New Testament composed of man-made revelations.

The prophet Zechariah prophesied about the Messianic era where false prophets would return to confess their errors. Notice in the following passage what is said about the prophet with the wounds in his hands.

On that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for cleansing and for sprinkling. And it shall come to pass on that day, says the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, and they shall no more be remembered; and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass from the land.

And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother who bore him shall say to him, You shall not live; for you speak lies in the name of the Lord; and his father and his mother who bore him shall pierce him through when he prophesies.

And it shall come to pass on that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed everyone of his vision, when he has prophesied; nor shall they wear a hairy mantle in order to deceive; But he shall say, I am not a prophet, I am a tiller of the soil; for a man taught me to keep cattle from my youth. And one shall say to him, What are these wounds in your hands? Then he shall answer, those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. – Zechariah 13:1-6

The Lineage of the Messiah

The Jews believe that the Christian Messiah is based on the misinterpretation of their Scripture.

The Messiah Jews believe in comes from the seed of David versus being born of a virgin where God became the father of Jesus. Christians will present a lineage of Jesus found in the New Testament in both Matthew and Luke. However, when these two lineages are compared and contrasted with the one in 1 Chronicles 3, discrepancies start to become evident.

Both genealogies in the New Testament end with Joseph, but how can Joseph have two different lineages?

Christians will say that the lineage in Matthew is of Joseph and the other one in Luke is Mary’s, but this presents a problem.

Matthew’s Lineage

If Joseph is not Jesus’ birth father, then that would make him his stepfather. For the seed of David to pass, it must come from father to son. It could not come through a stepfather. It would be impossible to adopt a son and transmitted to the royal line. Likewise, with the Kohanim Priests, an adopted son could not become one of them. So too, someone who is adopted by a member of a royal line cannot become heir to the throne. This means that the Messiah according to the Jews must be an actual biological member.

Mathew’s lineage also has missing names and generations when comparing with 1 Chronicles 3. Four names are missing. Matthew states that Uzziah (Azariah) was the son of Jehoram, instead of Amaziah.

Christians will say, ‘this one begat that one,’ meaning a common ancestor, not necessarily a father — this too creates a problem.

So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. - Matthew 1:17

Matthew shows how Jesus’ genealogy is tied to the number 14. The numerical value of David’s name in Hebrew is also 14. However, to take a lineage of 18 generations from David to Babylonian exile and claim it is only 14 is false.

According to the Jews, even if the lineage could be passed through Joseph, Jesus could not be the candidate to be the Messiah.

And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: - Matthew 1:11

Mathew states that Joseph descended from Jechonias (Coniah) who was a former wicked king who was cursed by God as stated in Jeremiah. This means that anyone descended from Joseph could not be a candidate to David’s throne.

Is this man Coniah a despised broken vessel? An object that no one cares for? Why are they cast out, he and his seed, and banished to a land which they know not? O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord. Thus says the Lord, Write this man down as childless, a man who shall not prosper in his days; for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah. - Jeremiah 22:28-30

Christians will attempt to say that Jechoniah repented and the curse was lifted — this is a traditional speculation that is not found in the bible.

Luke’s Lineage

Christian’s presuppose that because there is a discrepancy with Matthew’s lineage that Luke is tracing Mary’s. However, Mary’s name is not mentioned.

Christian’s will contend that Heli is Mary’s father. The speculation goes further where it says that Heli is the Father of Joseph, but really it means ‘father-in-law.’ The New Testament does not mention Heli at all except in the lineage.

The fact is that the royal line is only passed through the biological father, not the mother. This presents a problem with the notion of Mary’s lineage in Luke. Tribal inheritance is passed through the father. Christians will argue that there is an example that shows a father who had no sons passed on his estate to his daughters. However, transferring property and lineage are two separate things.

According to Scripture, the Davidic line must only pass through David’s son, Solomon.

As I swore to you by the Lord God of Israel, saying, assuredly Solomon your son shall reign after me [David], and he shall sit upon my throne in my place... - 1 Kings 1:30

Behold, a son shall be born to you, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies around; for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quiet to Israel in his days. He shall build a house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever. - 1 Chronicles 22:9-10

The lineage presented in Luke shows that Mary does not come from Solomon’s line, but from Nathan who was another of David’s sons who was not a royal heir.

Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David – Luke 3:31

The conclusion of the Jews is that neither Matthew’s lineage or Luke’s makes Jesus a legitimate descendant of David. Therefore, this is why they reject Jesus as the Messiah.

What the Messiah Will Accomplish

The Jews believe the Messiah will only come once and will be the revered king of God’s people in establishing God’s kingdom on earth as prophesied in the Hebrew Scriptures.

World Peace

And He [God] shall judge among the nations, and shall decide for many people; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, nor shall they learn war any more. - Isaiah 2:4

The Jews believe that since the time of Jesus there has not been a time of world peace, but continual war.

The Nations Will Turn to God

To You [God] nations shall come from the ends of the earth and say: Our fathers inherited utter delusions, things that are futile and worthless. Can a man make gods for himself? They are not gods! Assuredly, I will teach them, once and for all I will teach them My power and My might. And they shall learn that My name is God. - Jeremiah 16:19-21

Thus says the Lord of hosts: In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men from the nations of every language, shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, We will go with you; for we have heard that God is with you. - Zechariah 8:23

Thus says the Lord God, Behold, I will lift up my hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring your sons in their arms, and your daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. And kings shall be your nursing fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers: they shall bow down to you with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of your feet; and you shall know that I am the Lord: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me. - Isaiah 49:22-23

Ezekiel 37

There are a list of things about what will happen in the time of the Messiah found in Ezekiel.

And say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will take the people of Israel from among the nations, where they have gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land; And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all; and they shall be no more two nations, nor shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all;

Nor shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will save them in all their dwelling places, where they have sinned, and will cleanse them; so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd; they shall also follow my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob my servant, where your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell in it, they and their children, and their grandchildren forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever.

And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

My tabernacle also shall be with them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the nations shall know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore. - Ezekiel 37:21-27

According to the Jews, the following will take place in the Messianic era according to their Scriptures:

  • All the Jews who are exiled will return back to Israel.
  • The will all be unified and turn from their idolatry.
  • The descendant from the seed of David will rule over the Jews and there will be no more war on earth.
  • The Temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem.
  • All the nations of the world will come to know the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The Christian Perspective on Jesus

Christians have a differing point of view. They believe Jesus is the Messiah and that his life and death is part of God’s plan. Jesus’ purpose was to ‘deal with sin’ by becoming a human sacrifice to give atonement for all those who would believe in him. He will one day return a second time to bring judgement and establish world peace.

Isaiah 53

Christians will cite Isaiah 53 and claim that it is about Jesus who went through trials, tribulations, sufferings and ‘bore the sin of many.’

The Jews have a different understanding of this chapter and believe Isaiah is speaking of God's ‘servant’ (singular) and witnesses (plural) as Israel, not Jesus based on the context of the previous chapters.

But you, Israel, are my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called you from the chief men thereof, and said unto you, You are my servant; I have chosen you, and not cast you away. Isaiah 41:8

Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for you are My servant. I have formed you. You are My servant O Israel, you will not be forgotten by Me. - Isaiah 44:21

And said unto me, You are my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. - Isaiah 49:3

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. - Isaiah 43:10

Isaiah identifies Israel as God’s ‘servant’ before and after chapter 53. The ‘suffering servant’ is about the persecution (Isaiah 52 and 54) of the Jewish people and their redemption in the future. A reading through Isaiah 52:13-15 reveals that God’s servant will shock the world at the time of their exaltation.

The Jewish Sacrifice vs Jesus’ Sacrifice

The Resurrection of Jesus

The Jews have a problem with the resurrection story of Jesus in the New Testament because they see several problems with the narrative. They believe that if someone is resurrected from the dead it does necessitate that that person qualifies to be the Messiah.

The prophet Elisha resurrected a child in the Old Testament and in the New Testament Jesus resurrected Lazarus. None of the Jewish Scriptures state that the Messiah would be resurrected form the dead.

Furthermore, the accounts in the four Gospels have inconsistencies when comparing them with each other. Christians will say that if the accounts agreed with each other, it would suggest that collusion was involved. The problem is that the Gospel authors were not eye witnesses.

When comparing and contrasting the four Gospel about Jesus’ resurrection, the following differences can be seen.

Differing accounts.
Differing accounts.

Is Christianity an Extension of Judaism?

For Christianity to be valid, the New Testament must be filtered through the Jewish Scriptures. It cannot be the other way around. For Christianity to be true, it must align with the prophecies in the Tanakh.

The most critical message of the Jewish people is the oneness of God that was revealed to them through a national revelation at Mt. Sanai.

The Jews will say that Christians have a different view of God as a Trinity revealed from the personal revelation of ecclesiastical men. Nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures is the doctrine of the Trinity mentioned. Nowhere in the Torah is a triune God manifested in human form.

If there arises among you a prophet... saying, Let us go after other gods, which you have not known, and let us serve them; You shall not listen to the words of that prophet... - Deuteronomy 13:2-4

They sacrificed to powerless spirits, not to God; to gods whom they knew not; to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. - Deuteronomy 32:17

Nowhere is there a hint of Trinitarian doctrine anywhere.

Unto you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord, He is G-d; there is none else beside Him. - Deuteronomy 4:35

You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen; that you may know and understand that I am He: before Me there was no god formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside Me there is no savior. - Isaiah 43:10-11

And there is no God beside me; a just God and a savior; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. - Isaiah 45:21-22

Yet I am the Lord your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but Me: for there is no savior beside Me. - Hosea 13:4

God’s Eternal Commandments

The Jews believe that God’s commandments to them are eternal as stated in their Scriptures.

You shall keep therefore His statutes, and His commandments, which I command you this day, that it may go well with you, and with your children after you, and that you may prolong your days upon the earth, which the Lord your God has given you forever. - Deuteronomy 4:40

And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the Lord your God, for our good always, that He might preserve us alive, as it is at this day. And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as He has commanded us. - Deuteronomy 6:24-25

But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear Him, and His righteousness unto children’s children; to such as keep His covenant, and to those that remember His commandments to do them. -Psalm 103:17-18

Paul Vs. King David

New Testament

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. - Romans 3:28

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes. - Romans 10:4

The ministry of death, in letters engraved on stone... - 2 Corinthians 3:7

For if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. - Galatians 2:21

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law... - Galatians 3:13

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith, which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For you are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ. - Galatians 3:23-26

The Tanakh

The Torah of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. - Psalm 19:8-9

Happy are those whose way is blameless, who walk in the Torah of the Lord. Happy are those who keep his testimonies, and who seek him with the whole heart. They also do no iniquity; they walk in his ways. You have commanded us to keep your precepts diligently. O that my ways were directed to keep your statutes! Then I shall not be ashamed, when I gaze at all your commandments. - Psalm 119:1-6

Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and your Torah is the truth. Trouble and anguish have taken hold of me; yet your commandments are my delights. The righteousness of your testimonies is everlasting; give me understanding, and I shall live. - Psalm 119:142-144

For the Lord is righteous; He loves righteous deeds; the upright shall behold His face. - Psalm 11:7

The Lord rewards me [David] according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands he recompenses me. For I have kept the ways of the Lord, and have not wickedly departed from my G-d. For all his judgments were before me; and as for his statutes, I did not depart from them. I was also upright before him, and have kept myself from my iniquity. - 2 Samuel 22:21

The Jews believe that keeping the Torah is their instruction for righteousness.

Christians believe that righteousness is obtained by having faith in Jesus.

God’s Chosen People

The Tanakh clearly recognizes the Jews as God’s chosen people in the past as well as the future.

Paul in the New Testament lays the foundation for ‘replacement theology’ that all those who believe in Jesus is neither Jew nor Gentile replacing the Jews as God’s chosen people.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. - Galatians 3:28

The Tanakh

Now therefore, if you will obey My voice indeed, and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own treasure among all peoples; for all the earth is Mine... - Exodus 19:5

For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a special people to Himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth. - Deuteronomy 14:2

And the Lord has declared you this day to be His special people, as He has promised you, and that you should keep all His commandments; And to set you high above all nations which He has made, in praise, and in name, and in honor; and that you may be a holy people to the Lord your God, as He has spoken. - Deuteronomy 26:18-19

New Testament

For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.

These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother...

Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman. - Galatians 4:22-31

Opposing Views

Both Jews and Christians have two opposing views. Jews believe the concepts found in the Christian bible are foreign to them because they are not found in their Scripture.

For the Jewish people, it is their main objective to remain faithful to the Torah that God has given to them. It has life or death implications by not serving other gods. They believe the Torah contains all for their instruction on how to live life that is pleasing to God.

They see Christianity as an oppressive religion. Throughout history, religion has used believers in the New Testament to undermine Judaism.

They see Christians as misquoting, misrepresenting, taking out of context their Scriptures and making things up in order to get the world to adopt to their faith.

In contrast, Christians see the Old Testament concealed, but in the New Testament revealed of who God is.

From the evidence, what do you believe holds more merit.

  • A national revelation of God to His chosen people at Mt. Sanai.
  • A personal revelation revealed to men taken by faith.

Does the evidence presented of why Jews reject Christianity have any merit?

Do you believe the Jews have some merit in their claims against Christianity?

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    • John Welford profile image

      John Welford 

      4 months ago from Barlestone, Leicestershire

      Wow! This is a very powerful article that asks a whole heap of questions. It is obvious to anyone who considers all the evidence that Christianity is based on very shaky foundations, and also obvious why Jews are completely correct in rejecting it.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      7 months ago

      A man who seeks God is a righteous just like Noah was.

      Proverbs 24:16 states that,

      “The righteous fall even seven times and still get up, but the wicked stumble in evil.”

      Being righteous is that you get back up, repent and try again. When we keep on trying that is following a righteous path. Salvation from being sinful is done through repentance because God has given us free will to choose what is good or what is evil. God delights not in the death of the wicked, but that he turn from his evil way and live (Ezekiel 33:11). This means that we can turn from our evil ways.

      Christians will say that all men are doomed to sin because we are born this way. You need to be saved because you cannot really stop and for this reason you need an innocent human blood sacrifice to pay for all of your sins or you will go to hell. This type of salvation is antithetical to the Torah.

      If you do good, won’t there be special privilege? And if you do not do good, sin waits at the door. It lusts after you, but you can dominate it. - Genesis 4:7

      This means that we can do good, and if you do, things will be better for you. If you do not do good, sin wants to be partners with you. This means we can control sin and our evil inclinations and be good/righteous.

      “All your nation is righteous, they will inherit the earth eternally; the shoot that I have planted, the work of My hands, something to be proud of” - Isaiah 60:21

      Christianity maintains that all men are doomed to sin and everyone will go to everlasting hell unless they accept the blood sacrifice of an innocent human being.

      ….a sacrifice of atonement by his blood, effective through faith." – Romans 3:25

      …a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God." – Ephesians 5:2

      This is antithetical to God’s own words.

      As i stated earlier, the Torah is clear, and it is consistent that one person cannot die for the sins of another. The sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses asks God to punish him for the sin committed by the people in regards to the Golden Calf. God tells Moses that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment. Also, in Deuteronomy 24:16, God states a basic principle, 'Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.' This concept is repeated in the Prophets as in Ezekiel 18, 'The soul that sinneth, it shall die... the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.'

      Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man's death atones for another man's sins shall no longer be held by anyone.

      'In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.' – Jeremiah 31:29-30

      It should be obvious that salvation in the New Testament is very different than salvation in the Tanakh. That is why there is a New Testament for the Christian faith.

      You stated,

      (((If something was revealed to you, that's not national. That is personal, and it is still just as right. And even then in the New Testament, there were thousands of Jews who believed in Christ (Acts 2 41 and 4 4). So it was not just a personal revelation here.)))

      The truth of Scripture is based on a national revelation at Mt. Sanai. All personal revelations must fit with the truth of the national revelation. If it doesn’t, then it does not align with what God has said. Therefore, quoting from the New Testament is based on someone’s personal revelation on what salvation is based on something ‘new.’ This is no different than believing in the testimony of the Mormons.

      According to the Tanakh, there is no New Testament of salvation based on a human blood sacrifice, but a ‘renewed’ everlasting covenant that did not change. Jeremiah was speaking about a time in the future where God will again renew His covenant with His chosen people.

      The Jews do not believe in the New Testament because there is no basis for their concept of salvation found through human sacrifice prophesied in their Scripture. The only thing a Christian can do is mistranslate and butcher the Hebrew Scriptures to fit their own narrative. There is no salvation found in the 44,000+ denominations and sects of Christianity based on the confusing beliefs of someone's own personal revelation.

    • AF Mind profile image

      AF Mind 

      7 months ago

      Exactly. It was never given specifically to the Gentiles. But Gentiles were always allowed to be in it.

      Then what would you call a man who seeks God? What is it that he has gained if the word salvation is only about physical danger? What would you call being saved from sin?

      I'm not talking about original sin or spiritual souls. And that is not the basis for Jew nor Greek. What I am referring to is salvation from sins, not from captivity or danger.

      Yes, which is why we are not to worship him. But you do not understand what it means when Jesus saved others from sin. He was not replacing God. It's the same way if you tell others not to sin. That is how he saved them. And you don't know what I mean by personal revelation. If something was revealed to you, that's not national. That is personal, and it is still just as right. And even then in the New Testament, there were thousands of Jews who believed in Christ (Acts 2 41 and 4 4). So it was not just a personal revelation here.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      7 months ago

      The covenant God made was with the Jews, not the Gentiles. God will use them for His purpose because they are chosen as a priesthood nation as prophesied.

      In the Jewish bible, the term 'salvation' only refers to being rescued from physical danger.

      In Deuteronomy 33:29, Moses said we are 'a nation that has been saved by God' and also in Isaiah 45:17 it says the Jewish nation 'has been saved by God.' This salvation is speaking of a physical existence, not about saving spiritual souls from 'original sin' as being the basis for 'neither Jew nor Gentile.' This idea is foreign to Jewish Scriptures.

      God chose Israel as a nation where His blessings and obedience is based on a national scale. They know that God's word states that no one can die for the sins of another, and human sacrifice is strictly forbidden. As prophesied, Israel will one day be a mighty power, peaceful and prosperous. This has nothing to do with personal salvation in a spiritual sense.

      Idolatry to the Jews is any form of worship that is foreign to the Torah. This includes worship of a man or God/man through someone's personal revelation. The concept of being saved from sin by human or a human/God sacrifice is foreign to the way of the Torah.

      The New Testament passages you quote are irrelevant to the Jews because you must filter whatever is in the New Testament through the Tanakh first. Those who believe in the New Testament will put the cart before the horse because they believe that the Tanakh must submit to the Christian bible. When done the other way around, the foundation of the New Testament becomes antithetical to the Tanakh.

      The way Jews feel about Christians is the way Christians feel about Mormons. The commonality between Mormons and Christians is that they believe in the same type of personal revelation.

    • AF Mind profile image

      AF Mind 

      8 months ago

      There was nothing replaced. The New Covenant is a renewed covenant. And Israel was not replaced in this covenant either. There are two ways of looking at it:

      1. Time and time again it is stated that Christ's message was for Israel (Matthew 10 6, Acts 2 14, Romans 11 1-2, James 1 1). So if they were reaching out to gentiles this was not to replace them, and every time it says there is no Jew or Gentile it is meant in a spiritual sense. Meaning that on that level we are all the same. A man is no better or worse than a woman, a slavemaster no better or worse than a slave, we all sin and we can all be righteous.But even then it is explicitly shown that there is a difference between these two groups (1 Corinthians 12 12-26). And it is not as if Israel has never accepted foreigners before.

      2. There were tribes scattered abroad during this time (John 7 35, James 1 1) so when it refers to gentiles it could be referring to them.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      8 months ago

      The original Septuagint was a translation of only the 5 books of Moses by 72 Jewish scholars. The 'Septuagint' today are translations into Greek that became heavily corrupted over time. By the 5th century, it was corrupted. The so called 'Septuagint' today is not a Jewish document, but a product of the Church — not the Jewish people. Why people use it as a reliable source is interesting.

      When Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant, 'new' actually should be 'renewed' clearly stating to the Jews that the 'new' b'rit (covenant) is the Torah.

      "For this is the covenant that I will form with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I have put (נָתַֽתִּי / “I have put") My Torah (תּֽוֹרָתִי֙ / my Torah / my instructions) among them, and I will inscribe it upon their hearts, and I will be their God and they shall be My people."

      Each covenant of God builds on the previous, but none 'does away,' 'vanishes,' or 'grows old' as stated in Hebrews.

      (((He didn't go against his word. He was judging them. He did not regard the unrepentant wicked here but that does not mean he totally disregarded Israel.)))

      I agree with you.

      Christians will insist Jeremiah is speaking of a replacement covenant because of their belief in a mistranslation. What is 'renewed' is of the earlier covenant where God made a covenant with Abraham that was eternal along with his heirs.

      "I will sustain My covenant between Me and between you and your descendants after you throughout their generations, an eternal covenant; I will be a G-d to you and to your offspring after you." - Genesis 17:7

      When Abraham died, God did not replace His promises, His covenant. He renewed it with Abraham's son Isaac.

      "I will keep My covenant with Isaac.'" - Genesis 17:21.

      He renewed it with Isaac's son, Jacob in Genesis 28 and and in Exodus 2:14,

      "God heard their cries, and He remembered His covenant with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob."

      When Jacob died, God did not walk away from His promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He renewed His promises to the entire Jewish nation at Mount Sinai in Exodus 34.

      The Torah makes it clear time and again that this covenant is eternal.

      Jeremiah is speaking about a time in the future where God will again renew His covenant with His chosen people. However, this time the covenant is different. Although the Jews broke the previous covenant, they will not do it again.

      (((It was not universal knowledge. It specifically says the new covenant was with Judah and Israel in Jeremiah 31 31-34.)))

      You are right. The renewed covenant is with Judah and Israel and at that time there will be no concern that anyone will break the contract because everyone will know God and not easily fall into idolatry.

      “They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” - Jeremiah 31:34

      No one will need to be taught about God and what it means to be righteous because it it will be part of them and embedded upon their hearts.

      The author of Hebrews changed the word of God for replacement theology with a new covenant, hence the New Testament attached to the back of the Tanakh with theology of a supposed 'new' covenant that replaces the Jews as God's chosen people for 'there is neither Jew nor Gentile.'

      Jeremiah states clearly that the renewed covenant is with the Jewish people — it is not a replacement covenant, but a renewed one.

      "Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, and I will form a covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, a renewed covenant." - Jeremiah 31:31

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      AF Mind 

      8 months ago

      That does not mean how they interpret the Messiah must be correct.

      That is not the basis for the New Testament. The first believers were Jews and in the New Testament there were scattered Israelites gathered from different places that came to the faith. "Paul's translation here is supported by the Septuagint, Syriac, and Gesenius, and accords with the kindred Arabic. The Hebrews regarded not God, so God, in righteous retribution, regarded them not." Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

      He didn't go against his word. He was judging them. He did not regard the unrepentant wicked here but that does not mean he totally disregarded Israel.

      It was not universal knowledge. It specifically says the new covenant was with Judah and Israel in Jeremiah 31 31-34.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      8 months ago

      The Jews are God's chosen people, but they also have a history of falling into heresy. However, they are the ones chosen by God to relay His truth — the remnant who follow Him are doing that. They have introduced the world to monotheism, ethics and morals. The survival of Judaism to this day attests to God's purpose for His chosen people.

      I agree with you that Scripture should define Scripture, but with the proper translation of the Tanakh done by the people who know their own language. The New Testament must fit with the proper translation, but in many cases, it is to the contrary.

      Also, you are right, we cannot blindly trust anyone. Scripture defines Scripture, but it is not the New Testament defining the Tanakh.

      The article that I have written presents the evidence of New Testament citations that are not Scripture interpreting Scripture. Midrash does not do this.

      For example, if we define the Tanakh through the NT perspective first, then Jeremiahs prophecy as cited in Hebrews is that God disregarded or rejected the Jews. This is the basis for the 'new covenant' through Jesus Christ.

      “Not like that Covenant that I gave to their fathers in the day when I took their hands and brought them from the land of Egypt, because they did not continue in my Covenant; I also rejected them, says THE LORD JEHOVAH.” - Hebrews 8:9

      However, the author of Hebrews has misquoted the words of Jeremiah.

      Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. - Jeremiah 31:32

      'Although I was a husband to them' does not mean that God 'rejected' or 'disregarded' them. If that was the case, then God went against His own word. God's betrothal to Israel is eternal and unbreakable, even though they became wayward. Isaiah 7 is good example of God keeping His promise even though the Jews had a wayward king, He spared them because of the covenant He made with them and they were not destroyed.

      The 'new covenant' in Jeremiah has nothing to do with atonement through the sacrifice of innocent blood making the Torah obsolete. Further in the passage, it speaks of a day when there is a universal knowledge of God because no one will have to teach his neighbour about God. This obviously did not happen during the first century.

      And no longer shall one teach his neighbor or [shall] one [teach] his brother, saying, "Know the Lord," for they shall all know Me from their smallest to their greatest, says the Lord, for I will forgive their iniquity and their sin I will no longer remember. - Jeremiah 31:34

      When contrasting the New Testament with the Tanakh, it is not Scripture interpreting Scripture.

      We don't have to take a Christian or Jews word for it. We can easily see whether the New Testament citations are correct for ourselves by reading things in the proper context.

      Did God discard His eternal covenant with His chosen people, or did He not?

      The Tanakh repeatedly states that God has a unique relationship with the Jewish people and that it is bound in heaven with many reaffirmations of His eternal covenant.

      The Hebrew word for a husband is 'ba' altee' and does not mean 'reject,' or 'disregard.'

      The life giving commands to the Jewish people are eternal (Deuteronomy 29:29).

      It is true, we should never blindly trust anyone. We must weigh and test the evidence to find truth. This is why I wrote the article.

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      AF Mind 

      8 months ago

      Does that mean they would absolutely have the right idea of what the scriptures say 100% perfect of the time? There are many denominations of Judaism that disagree with each other. It is not as if Judah has never fallen into heresy before. We can't just blindly trust them or Christianity to give us the understanding of the scripture. The scripture should define the scripture.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      8 months ago

      (((The problem lies in the fact that the Jews do not even understand what the Messiah is.)))

      If that is true and the Jews have no understanding of their own language and Scripture in understanding the qualifications and characteristics of the Messiah that were prophesied in their bible, then Christianity with all its sects and denominations has nothing to stand on.

      (((One side compares Jesus to be like the servant (Israel) in Isaiah 53.)))

      If that is true, then why did Jesus not remain silent according to The New Testament?

      He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. - Isaiah 53:7

      Did Jesus have offspring and were his days prolonged?

      Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. - Isaiah 53:10

      The Hebrew word 'zerah' that appears in Isaiah 53:10 means 'seed.' This word can only refer to biological offspring, not metaphoric. Metaphoric children or disciples would be 'ben.' Jesus died around 30 years old according to the New Testament which was half the expected life span of an ordinary man (Psalm 90:10).

      The New Testament was written after the creation of the the Tanakh. It uses it to prove its validity. In other words, when the New Testament contradicts the divinely inspired Hebrew Scriptures it bases itself upon, it cannot maintain its own claim of being divinely inspired and infallible.

      (((The problem lies in the fact that the Jews do not even understand what the Messiah is.)))

      If you say that, then you are saying that the Jews do not understand their bible or their language at all. This is a faulty premise because God has chosen the Jews to be custodians of His truth according to the eternal covenant He made with them.

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      AF Mind 

      8 months ago

      Christianity cannot do that, because modern day Christianity. is false.

      The New Testament authors were not misapplying or misinterpreting anything. They kept the context of the books. That is not what midrash is. It has nothing to do with taking the verses out of context and applying it in a different way. It is all about comparison between two events.

      The problem lies in the fact that the Jews do not even understand what the Messiah is. They take the same passages that Christians use and say that a king is coming in the future to rule over the world and all the nations will be under him when the prophecies they reference are not about that.

      Christians are not using midrash for that. They are misinterpreting it. One side compares Jesus to be like the servant (Israel) in Isaiah 53 and another side says that Jesus is the servant in Isaiah 53, literally fulfilling the prophecy.

      Yes, he was the one to be punished under the law. But remember that he was falsely accused here so it does not even count as a true punishment. It was not as if they actually had a reason to crucify him. He was a martyr.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      8 months ago

      Can Christianity freely use passages in the Tanakh in ways that differ from their plain-sense meaning and deriving something that goes beyond what the author of of the passage intended to communicate?

      According to Christian apologists this seems to be okay. I can agree to some extent with taking something and applying a biblical principle and applying it to current events. However, when it comes to the Messiah, it must be stated explicitly who he is in the Tanakh and must agree with the Christian bible, not the other way around. There is no escaping this conclusion that the Tanakh takes precedence.

      Therein lies the problem — Jesus is a midrash figure based on New Testament authors being liberal in citing the Tankah using reinterpretation and mistranslating of the words of the Prophets. This is why Christians will read citation passages such as in Matthew and believe the author is accurately reporting a fulfillment of prophecy from the Tanakh. However, it has been an extrapolation — re-working a messianic or supposed messianic prophecy to fit a certain narrative.

      You are right, the Christian bible has been tampered with greatly and that poses a greater problem for Christianity with its 40,000 plus denominations than it does for Judaism. Christians and Messianic Christians filter everything through the New Testament and that puts the cart before the horse. The revelation of the one true God has always been about a national revelation, not a personal one. If one goes the personal route, then all other religions and sects of Christianity are fair game as well because all must be taken by faith in something that others have not witnessed.

      Christianity is built upon the midrash interpretation of Isaiah 53 that supposes vicarious atonement where Christ was 'pierced for our transgressions.' The problem is that this chapter has nothing to do with Jesus, but Israel.

      Paul stated in II Timothy 3:16, 'All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.' Keep in mind that at that time the Christian bible had not yet been written. Therefore, when we refer to Ezekiel 18, there is a biblical principle: a righteous person cannot die vicariously for the sins of the wicked. The belief that the innocent can suffer to atone for the sins of the wicked is pagan.

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      AF Mind 

      8 months ago

      I do not believe it to be directly about him either. I think the apostles used midrash quite extensively throughout their writings. Like when Matthew quoted Hosea. Matthew connects Jesus coming out of Egypt with Hosea's quote but we know Hosea 11 1 was talking about Israel. Jesus is being compared to Israel. While the immediate context is not about him, a comparison between the two is drawn. But while I believe they used midrash I am not saying they used this in regards to prophecies like Daniel, although ithere may be one example such as the abomination of desolation, which is thought to have been fulfilled when the statue of Zeus was put in Jerusalem in the Maccabean period but it is worth noting that Luke's account does not mention this prophecy at all. I'm not saying this prophecy was added in the new testament to make it sound like a different fulfillment but it is possible. The New Testament, like the Old, has been tampered with for hundreds of years by false teachers.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      8 months ago

      AF Mind,

      Thanks for your comment.

      Your citation from 'Jews for Jesus' is built upon a faulty premise of Isaiah 53. It has nothing to do with Jesus at all. I used to believe as you do that it was about Jesus until a did a deeper study into the passage and looked at the evidence. Instead of writing out all of the many details, here is a podcast to listen to that I guarantee that you won't look at the 'Suffering Servant' passage in the same way again.

      https://outreachjudaism.org/wp-content/uploads/201...

      https://outreachjudaism.org/wp-content/uploads/201...

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      AF Mind 

      8 months ago

      I believe that the sacrifice is completely misunderstood. Since we are going by what Jews believe, I will go from the perspective of Jews who believe in Jesus and see what they have to say on this. From Jews for Jesus "Why Did Jesus Need to “Die for Our Sins?”

      "Though He surely forbids pagan sacrifice of human beings, there are examples where only the death of a guilty human being or the death of the priest can effect full atonement. Furthermore, the “servant” of Isaiah 53 voluntarily gives us his life; his death is not forced on him. In a later time, Jesus affirmed that his impending death was voluntary. Even though he seemed to go to death by the force of circumstance, he voluntarily placed himself in those circumstances, so that he could say: ” lay down my life –only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord” (John 10:17-18). And, “My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends” (John 15:12-13)."

      "That martyrdom somehow counteracts the menace of sin and, therefore, has a redemptive quality is decidedly an early rabbinic theme, though not necessarily a central one….”Expiation for the coming world” underlines the significance of the notion for the martyrs themselves. But, the rabbinic conception is not limited to penance for sin…" Aharon Agus, The Binding of Isaac and Messiah: Law, Martyrdom and Deliverance in Early Rabbinic Religiosity (Albany: State University of New York Press, 1988), pp. 40-41.

      "Yeshua can be considered a martyr because (1) Rome opposed him because he and his followers believed him to be a king, though not of the kind represented by Caesar; (2) much of the Jewish leadership opposed him because they saw his claims to divinity as blasphemy and his acts as wrong-headed when they contravened certain traditions. Further, he can be thought of as a martyr since he died in the cause of reconciling first Jews and then other nations back to God."

      Although I disagree with the divinity part as it has become aware to me that the Trinity is false (I have you to thank for that your articles on the subject were well written), I think they got everything else right. He was the prime example of a martyr, and his death brought about the reconciliation of Ithe believers.

      "Christianity maintains that all men are doomed to sin and everyone will go to everlasting hell unless they accept Jesus as their saviour."

      And that is where they fall because for one we both know that "Hell" in scripture is Sheol, which is not a fiery place of torment. From my understanding, the wicked simply perish, but even if there was an afterlife for them it is not this mythological place of fire and brimstone.

      I do not believe in original sin either. When I say personal salvation, I mean an individual seeking God and repentance. The same way when David committed adultery, he repented. Or how you or I would seek out God and ask him for forgiveness.

      "Christians say no one can be righteous and like to say that their 'righteousness is filthy rags' and Christ needed to be punished for the guilty. The Torah says otherwise — that it is not right to punish the innocent in place of the guilty."

      And they completely misunderstand this verse. Isaiah 64 6. This is not saying good works count for nothing and it is solely by faith, which contradicts itself because they also know James 2 14-26 says faith without works is dead. The Israelites fell away from God, meaning they were not righteous.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      8 months ago

      The foundation of Christian theology is that Christ dies for your sins so that you can be saved.

      He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. - 2 Corinthians 5:21

      The Tanakh sates in Ezekiel 181-4; 19-23 that repentance atones for sins with no mention of a human blood sacrifice for the expiation of iniquity. A righteous man cannot atone for the sins of the wicked. No innocent person could die for the wicked.

      Moses suggests himself as a sacrificial offering for the sins of the people where he thought the death of one will bring life to many by being blotted out of the book of life. However, God rejected Moses offer of himself as a substitute.

      “But now, if You will, forgive their sin—and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!” The LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book. - Exodus 32:32-33

      The Torah forewarns people of offering an innocent human being to appease God/gods.

      Christians will always point to Abraham willing to offer up Isaac as a human sacrifice as a foreshadowing of Jesus. However, the firstborn were originally designated to serve God as priests before the sin of worshipping the golden calf. God did not request Abraham to offer up his son as a child sacrifice. It was about him renouncing ownership of his son to establish the principle that Isaac (born by God's miracle) was not his property, but His. The nation of Israel would eventually be called the children of God.

      “Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live? - Ezekiel 18:23

      We see here that repentance atones for sins without human blood.

      Take with you words, And return unto the LORD; Say unto Him: 'Forgive all iniquity, And accept that which is good; So will we render for bullocks the offering of our lips. - Hosea 14:2-3

      In the Tanakh, God desires the repentant prayer of sinners that would become as bulls of the sin offerings.

      Christianity maintains that all men are doomed to sin and everyone will go to everlasting hell unless they accept Jesus as their saviour.

      Judaism holds that here is no need for personal salvation because they do not believe in the doctrine of original sin and being damned from birth.

      This means you CAN do good, and if you do, things will be better for you. If you do not do good, sin is crouching at your door. This means you can control sin, your evil desires and you can do what is right. God stated this to Cain.

      If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it." - Genesis 4:7

      The Torah teaches that we have free will (the ability to choose) and that we are not born in sin or fated to sin as Christianity preaches.

      We can be good or evil and that is the choice we make. This means that being righteous is a also choice and is attainable.

      Christians say no one can be righteous and like to say that their 'righteousness is filthy rags' and Christ needed to be punished for the guilty. The Torah says otherwise — that it is not right to punish the innocent in place of the guilty.

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      AF Mind 

      8 months ago

      But there is also the salvation of the individual. The nation could be in their land and prospering but that itself does not fix the fact that there are sinners in the land. That is what this salvation is about. Jesus brought no different salvation than what they had all this time. Did he personally go and set literal captives free in a foreign land? No, but he taught them the truth of the Torah that had been ignored by the religious elite during that time.

      I will look into it.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      8 months ago

      AF Mind,

      (((It is not defined differently. They are the exact same way to salvation.)))

      The Jews refer to 'ge'ulah' as God redeeming the people of Israel from their various exiles that includes the final redemption from their present exile. They do not believe that they need personal salvation as Christians believe through Paul's personal revelation.

      https://missionarynightmare.com/true-salvation-red...

      (((This, by the way, is the sole known reference to Nazareth in antiquity, apart from written Christian sources... (next paragraph) Some scholars had even believed that Nazareth was a fictitious invention of the early Christians; the inscription from Caesarea Maritima proves otherwise.")))

      You might be interested in the controversy behind the Caesarea Inscription in the following links.

      https://www.academia.edu/14381295/Nazareth_the_Cae...

      http://www.nazarethmyth.info/scandalnine.html

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      AF Mind 

      8 months ago

      It is not defined differently. They are the exact same way to salvation.

      That is for the so called Christians. I am not defending them. I am defending the New Testament.

      Again, Isaiah 11 is not Messianic at all. It has nothing to do with a messianic figure in this sense. This was referring to the exiles during that time period and we know they were returned to their land.

      It can be debated as to if these prophecies are messianic at all given that these men generally prophesied about what was going on at that time, such as the Babylonian captivity, destruction of Babylon and those who helped her such as Edom, etc. And with the aforementioned theory in mind, Joseph is a descendant of David. (Mattew 1 1-16).

      My mistake. I was misinformed on what Nazareth was. I thought it was a village for some reason. "Despite the Hellenization of the general region and the probability that Greek was known to many people it seems likely that Nazareth remained a conservative Jewish village. After the Jewish war with the Romans from AD 66-70 it was necessary to re-settle Jewish priests and their families. Such groups would only settle in unmixed towns, that is towns without Gentile inhabitants. According to an inscription discovered in 1962 in Caesarea Maritima the priests of the order of Elkalir made their home in Nazareth. This, by the way, is the sole known reference to Nazareth in antiquity, apart from written Christian sources... (next paragraph) Some scholars had even believed that Nazareth was a fictitious invention of the early Christians; the inscription from Caesarea Maritima proves otherwise." Paul Barnett[BSNT], Behind the Scenes of the New Testament, IVP:1990, p.42:

      I know it is not about Jesus and it is about the Israelites. But I see no reason to think this is about the end of the world and then another world to come either.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      8 months ago

      (((To have faith in him simply means to trust in him. IThe same way the people trusted in Moses to lead them. The salvation by Jesus is no different.)))

      If salvation is no different as you say, then why is salvation in the Tanakh defined differently? There are 638 verses that show salvation is different (delivered=redeemed=saved) than the Pauline salvation through Jesus.

      (((And I have reason to believe that those were not literal fulfillments, but midrash, which was prevalent even among Jews in the 1st century.)))

      It is true that midrash was prevalent among the Jews. However, when it comes to messianic prophecies that supposedly pertain to Jesus in the Tanakh, the authors of the New Testament have either misquoted the Hebrew Scriptures, deliberately mistranslated, ripped out of context or have liberally employed the midrash method. The claim of Christianity is based upon that Jesus is *clearly* prophesied as the promised Messiah. The Jews see the Tanakh as their authority, not Matthew and Paul. The challenge for Christians is to find a literal messianic prophecy that pertains to Jesus as the Messiah.

      Take a read through them here and weigh the evidence out.

      https://nojesus4jews.weebly.com/365-prophecy-index...

      I agree with you that Isaiah 11:11 is not a messianic about Jesus. Further reading of the text reveals this.

      (((Mary is said to be from Judah, and there is also the argument that Mary was not a virgin and that the controversy was because of the fact that Mary and Joseph were not married yet.)))

      It doesn’t matter that Mary is said to be from Judah because the seed of David comes from the father, not the mother. The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). In the New Testament Jesus had no biological father. This is why Jews do not believe he fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn't help, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not mother (Numbers 1:18; Ezra 2:59).

      (((Just because we do not see this being mentioned in prevalent works does not completely nullify the chance that it might have existed beforehand. It was an insignificant village. Plus there is some evidence that it might have existed.)))

      If Nazareth was an insignificant village, then why does it state in Matthew and Luke that Nazareth is a ‘city.’

      And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a CITY OF GALILEE, NAMED NAZARETH, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. - Luke1 26-27

      And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the CITY OF NAZARETH, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; because he was of the house and lineage of David: - Luke 2:3-4

      But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee: And he came and dwelt in a CITY CALLED NAZARETH: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene. - Matthew 2:22-23

      And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own CITY NAZARETH. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. - Luke 2.39-40

      Nazareth is clearly established as a ‘city’ in Matthew and Luke, but not mentioned once in the Old Testament. The Talmud names 63 Galilean towns, but Nazareth is not listed among them. Also, no ancient historian or geographer mentions Nazareth.

      (((There are also some more ways you could take this. Perhaps the writer was using Nazarene as an insult, further using the midrash interpretation of how he would be ridiculed by his people (Isaiah 53).)))

      Isaiah 53 from the previous chapter is describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people, not Jesus. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews or Israel are regarded as one unit. Israel is repeatedly called the ‘Servant of God’ stated 11 times prior to chapter 53. This chapter refers to the Jewish people who are bruised, crushed and as sheep brought to slaughter at the hands of the nations of the world. At the end of the chapter, the Jewish people are redeemed, the nations will recognize and accept responsibility for the suffering and death of the Jews.

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      AF Mind 

      8 months ago

      To have faith in him simply means to trust in him. IThe same way the people trusted in Moses to lead them. The salvation by Jesus is no different.

      Of course it is important. No doubt about it. But the problem being addressed in the New Testament was which one is more important; circumcision of the flesh or of the heart?

      And I have reason to believe that those were not literal fulfillments, but midrash, which was prevalent even among Jews in the 1st century.

      Isaiah 11 11 is not a future prophecy, nor is it talking about Jesus. As I said before it seems that not only do Christians misunderstand the Old Testament, but Jews do as well. Let's read some key verses.

      "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea." Isaiah 11 11

      When do we see them being scattered? We know they were scattered to Assyria in 2 Kings 15:29; 2 Kings 17:6, and Isaiah 43:5-6. They were scattered to these places then, not now. And there is no reason to think that they were saved from these places. They are not held captive there now.

      Mary is said to be from Judah, and there is also the argument that Mary was not a virgin and that the controversy was because of the fact that Mary and Joseph were not married yet.

      Just because we do not see this being mentioned in prevalent works does not completely nullify the chance that it might have existed beforehand. It was an insignificant village. Plus there is some evidence that it might have existed. https://www.doxa.ws/Nazareth.html

      There are also some more ways you could take this. Perhaps the writer was using Nazarene as an insult, further using the midrashic interpetation of how he would be ridiculed by his people (Isaiah 53).

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      8 months ago

      I agree that Paul separates law and faith.

      This following passage makes it quite clear:

      For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith – Philippians 3:8-9

      Yet, there are other passages:

      Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. - Romans 3:31

      The Jews see this as futility. Paul's 'faith' is different than ‘emunah’ faith.

      The Jews see no relevance in Pauls’ writings because the idea of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ is quite different to what they believe salvation is. Salvation to the Jews is as follows:

      Saved = delivered = redeemed is the same and interchangeable. This is clearly evident in quite a lot of verses (638) in the Tankh that salvation is deliverance from physical harm and slavery from physical enemies. Nowhere is anyone delivered/redeemed/saved from sin, Satan or the Devil. Nowhere is eternal life in heaven mentioned nor implied. You can deliver your own life from physical death by not committing sin (Ezekiel 14:14.) The word ‘evil’ is generally mistaken as sin or the realm of Satan according to Christian indoctrination. However, the same word is rendered affliction and distress in the Hebrew Scriptures and in most cases has nothing to do with Satan or sin. In Psalm 36:6, God saves man and beast, but according to the Christian doctrine, beasts are not going to Heaven.

      The Jews see the New Testament is mostly antithetical to their beliefs. Paul’s writings are based on his own personal revelation of Jesus. The Jews see Paul as no different than Joseph Smith and his personal revelation.

      It is true that it is important to have one’s heart in the right place, but to the Jew that circumcision is also outward. There is a prophecy in Ezekiel concerning the future Third Temple describing the state of men that would only be allowed to minister within it in Ezekiel 44:6-7,9. This shows that the outward circumcision of the flesh is also important and a necessity.

      If a non-Jew keeps the ‘righteousness of the law,’ does his status changes from uncircumcised to ‘circumcised?’

      There is no basis for this in the Tanakh because there is no concept of being a spiritual Jew who is uncircumcised in the flesh. There is no replacement theology — Jews are punished for sin based on their covenant with God and Gentiles are punished according to the universal divine laws.

      (((Just because the apostles used midrash for some of the prophecies doe snot make them false, because.)))

      There are over twenty times in Matthew where it points to prophecy fulfillment. There are numerous misquotes, misinterpretations and verses from the Tanakh taken out of context. To say, ‘they aren't claiming to fulfill those actual prophecies’ is an understatement.

      (((And Nazareth (Nezer), can translate to branch, alegorically referencing Isaiah 11 1.)))

      "And a shoot / וְנֵ֖צֶר / netzer shall spring forth from the stem of Jesse, and a twig shall sprout from his roots." - Isaiah 11:1

      This is a messianic prophecy, but the Jews do not believe Jesus fits into it because the verse is speaking of the fact that the messiah will be from the tribe of Judah through the line of Jesse (King David's father). In the New Testament, Jesus is not a member of the tribe of Judah (Jesus has no human father – therefore he had no tribal affiliation) and thus not of the kingly line. Also, nowhere in the passage is there anything to do with Nazareth/Nazarene because there is no prophecy that the messiah will be from the non-existent town of Nazareth, even if it is claimed to be allegorical.

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      AF Mind 

      8 months ago

      Read the rest of it. He is referring to trying to separate the two, which is folly. He does that throughout his writings, including in Romans 4 14.

      Here is some evidence that Paul believed in keeping the law. Acts 15

      Now we will debunk the idea that this chapter nullifies the dietary part of the law. Here is what is commanded of them in this chapter.

      Abstain from food sacrificed to idols

      Abstain from sexual immorality.

      Abstain from strangled animals (as all their blood is still in them) and from blood.

      Since there is no mention of eating unclean meats here, one might assume this had nothing to do with Torah. But take notice. 1 is based on the first and second commandments, and 2 is based on the 7th commandment. These things are based in the 10 commandments, part of the Torah. Where do we find that third order? Genesis 9 2-4, which says we must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. This is also a law in the Torah. Leviticus 7 26.

      Now we will get the proper context. There were Jews that were teaching these people that they would have no salvation unless they were first circumcised. When they brought this doctrine to the apostles and elders in Jerusalem, Peter called it a "a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear". Some Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."

      Peter states that all are "saved" through the grace the Savior. As evidenced by this statement, the question they were discussing is whether or not these people were saved through the grace of Christ, or by circumcision and keeping commandments. This was also the original question in Acts 15:1.

      His point was that everyone is saved by grace, not by keeping the law or by circumcision. Even Jews who had been circumcised and kept the law didn't have salvation until they believed in the Savior. He also said that to make circumcision or Torah/law observance the requirement for salvation would be to test God. But how would it test God?

      So Peter, after detailing the proof that the Almighty had accepted these men in their uncircumcised state, affirmed that they are saved through the grace of the Savior rather than circumcision or any other act of Torah/law observance. The ultimate decision in Acts 15 by James was not to require circumcision for salvation. Circumcision of the flesh is nothing compared to that of the heart. Deuteronomy 10 16 and Romans 2 25-29.

      DEUTERONOMY 10 16

      "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked."

      ROMANS 2 25-29

      "For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision."

      "Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?"

      "And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?"

      "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:"

      Circumcision is only an outward sign of being set apart to the Almighty. However, if the heart is sinful, then physical circumcision is of no avail. A circumcised body and a sinful heart are at odds with each other. Rather than focus on external rites, Paul focuses on the condition of the heart. Both outward and inward appearance matter when it comes to morals.

      Galatians 6:12-13. These "false brethren" were actually Torah breakers themselves but they were most interested in circumcising these men so that they could boast about it. The focus on the praise of men was amongst the notable characteristics of some Pharisees of that time. The New Testament does not say Abraham was only justified by faith. It says faith (Romans 4 1-8) and works (James 2 21).

      We see that Paul circumcised Timotheus. Keep in mind that this was after Acts 15. So why is he saying they become estranged from Christ if circumcision is now a bad thing? Paul was condemning the idea that the good news was found in the circumcision.

      Acts 21 and 25

      Start at verse 18 and go to verse 21. Paul is getting together with James and the elders on how his ministry is going. It says there are thousands of Jews who believe, and they are zealous of the law. It says that some Jews heard that Paul said they should forsake Moses and not keep the commandments. How does Paul respond?

      22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

      23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

      24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

      To answer these accusations, Paul is going to help these Nazarites with their ceremony. He does not rebuke this suggestion, nor do any of them suggest that these rumors are true. We know in Acts 18 18 that Paul also took this vow.

      that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

      The purpose of this was to get rid of the idea that he was teaching against the law. James and the elders knew he was not teaching against the law, so they give him this suggestion. Verse 20 says he also kept the feast day at that time. Read it to verse 30. He tries to complete the vow, but he is taken and accused by the multitude. They bring up these accusations.

      Now we will go into Acts 24. Read it up until verse 10. Paul is going to answer for himself. He is going to show what he thinks despite the accusations. In verses 11-13 he says he was in Jerusalem worshiping. He did not cause any strife with anyone, and every claim they brought against him was without evidence. Paul believes everything in the law and the prophets.

      11 Because that thou mayest understand, that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship.

      12 And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:

      13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.

      14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

      In Acts 25 7 he has been tried again, and it says that the Jews could not bring any evidence for the accusations they have against him.

      8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.

      Paul has done nothing against the law at all. He upheld the law. In verses 10-11 he says they know he did nothing against the Jews. He says, "For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar." He says if he is really doing these things, he wants to die. But he does not die because he did not do these things. He does not just say, "Kill me." He says, "I refuse not to die."

      There is nothing in the Brit Hadasha that contradicts the Tanakh. If I am not mistaken you had some articles on the New Testament addressing misinterpetations of the scripture (One on Romans 14 right?). Only added interpretations and mistranslations. And I am not defending Christianity. I am defending the Torah and Brit Hadasha from the false interpetations given to it by both Jews and Christians. Just because the apostles used midrash for some of the prophecies doe snot make them false, because they aren't claiming to fulfill those actual prophecies. They are saying that the times they live in are just like those times.

      And Nazareth (Nezer), can translate to branch, alegorically referencing Isaiah 11 1.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      9 months ago

      AF Mind,

      From your reference to Romans 3:20-28, Paul is speaking about righteousness outside (‘without the law’ - KJV) by believing in Jesus — ‘man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.’ However, there is no evidence of this found in the Hebrew Scriptures.

      But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart* from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith* in Jesus Christ for all who believe. – Romans 3:21-22

      Are the Jews supposed to take Paul’s word for it without any evidence found in the Tanakh. They rely on their teaching from God about repentance and reconciliation from Deuteronomy 4:26-31, Jeremiah 3:22, Ezekiel 18 and 33. The basic premise is that when a person returns to God, He will return to them and their sins will be forgotten and their relationship restored. When man repents, God forgives.

      “And you shall not corrupt the land in which you live, for the blood corrupts the land, and the blood which is shed in the land cannot be atoned for except through the blood of the one who shed it." - Numbers 35:33

      Jews do not believe that Jesus' blood could atone for anything because human ‘blood corrupts the land.’ They do not believe that Jesus nor anyone else could sacrifice himself or be a human sacrifice for the sins of another — only the person who has sinned can atone for their own sins.

      In Romans 4:14, the Jews believe that Paul is distorting the law by limiting it to a set of regulations and then saying the ‘promise’ is only received by faith in Jesus and not by the law.

      Paul's 'faith' in Jesus is different than the faith (emunah) in Habakkuk 2:4. In Psalm 119:86, it states that “all Your commandments are ‘emunah.” This means that faith is part of the law and all the commandments in it are too. The law cannot annul a promise if the promise comes by faith and the commandments are by faith. Abraham’s promise was not based on faith alone, but was more about obedience (Genesis 26:3-5).

      To the Jew, the things that Paul is preaching that comes through faith in Jesus has no relevance to them because faith and obedience are not separate as it seems Paul is alluding to in Romans 3:31 that believing in Jesus ‘apart from the law’ must be ‘received by faith.’

      (((In regards to your interpretation of the prophecies I encourage you to look into apostolic midrash.)))

      I had a look at the link. My thoughts are that the foundation of Christianity is built upon the Messianic prophecies that are claimed to be found in the Tanakh. If Christianity is built upon comparison fulfillments, then it can’t be taken literally because it is based on allegory, metaphor and eisegesis of Hebrew Scripture. There are parts of the Christian bible that agrees, contradicts and twists the Tanakh including the eisegesis of the ‘apostolic midrash’ if that was what the author of Matthew's writing was based on.

      The virgin birth is a good example.

      It might also be of interest that there is no prophecy of a Nazarene anywhere in Tanakh, nor anyone that would be from Nazareth or called a 'Nazarene.'

      And he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophets: “He will be called a Nazarene.” - Matthew 2:23

      Josephus cataloged all the important locations in Galilee and there is no ‘Nazareth’ in his time. The town of Nazareth existed in the 2nd century, but there is no archeology that supports an earlier town of that name.

      This why Jews reject Christianity because Christian doctrine denies the original intent and meaning of Jewish texts. Jews depend heavily upon the context of their Scripture because the revelation of God given to them was not a mystery nor a personal revelation to be taken on faith — it was an empirical revelation.

      I believe God has chosen the Jews to be the containers or custodians of the truth about who the one true God is and how we can live righteously before Him. In contrast, Christianity has over 40,000 different denominations and sects. That in itself should tell you that their belief system is based on a lot of confusion that includes their eschatology.

      Mainstream Christianity identifies Jesus as the Messiah who is God incarnate who died for the sins of humanity as a blood sacrifice. This requires the acceptance of vicarious atonement that goes against the words of God in the Tanakh where a person cannot die for the sins of another. Christian doctrine is the opposite to what is written in Deuteronomy 24:16. The idea that God wants and will accept a human sacrifice is pagan in origin. God calls human sacrifice an abomination and something He hates. If all human beings are sons and daughters of God, it would only follow that any sacrifice of a human being would be something that God would hate. On this basis, Jews also reject the Christian conception of the Messiah with ideas that are foreign to what God has told them.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts, they are appreciated.

    • AF Mind profile image

      AF Mind 

      9 months ago

      It is my belief that there are many false ideas about what the Messiah really is in both Judaism an Christianity.

      Romans 3 20-28

      It is true; the law, while perfect, only does what the law is meant to do; expose sin. Here is an example; you have rules in your household. But you as a parent can choose to forgive your child for breaking a rule or punish them. That is where grace comes in to play, and it does not contradict this verse because if you read the Old Testament you see this being played out all over the place. Verse 28 says man is made right by faith and not the works of the law. But as we will see when we go further on faith is the backbone for adherence to the law and this is addressing works without faith. Romans 4 14-15. Notice how it says they depend on the law and not faith. They are choosing one over the other. We know that the Israelites when they were not worshiping idols, did have faith. In Habbakuk 2 4 it says that the righteous did live by faith, but we know they kept the law. How does that work? Faith produces works.

      "The Jews believe that if you do what the Father says, then you are doing what is right. If you do what the law commands then you are innocent and righteous."

      They are right to believe that, and Paul believed that too. Paul says in Romans 3 31 that by faith we establish the law.

      "Also, there is nothing in the Tanakh that states that keeping the law for righteousness would come to an end. The Hebrew Scripture says the opposite that in the world to come the laws will be written upon people’s hearts where they will they will naturally keep what it says (Jeremiah 30:33; Ezekiel 37:21-24)."

      As I said earlier, Paul never said the law was done away with. In regards to your interpretation of the prophecies I encourage you to look into apostolic midrash. Although I do not agree with everything they teach, I think they hit the nail on the head when talking about prophecy fulfillment in the New Testament and how many of the "fulfillments" were not literal fulfillment, but comparisons. http://planetpreterist.com/content/preterism-meets...

      "As stated in the article, the Tanakh (Old Testament) is not filtered through the New Testament, rather the New Testament must be filtered through the Tanakh (Old Testament) to be deemed as true. The prophecies in the New Testament cannot be deemed true unless the prophecies in the Tanakh are true and refer to Jesus as the Messiah. It cannot be the other way around."

      I agree 100%.

      Keep in mind that this was referring to wicked people. A wicked son will be judged and a wicked father will be judged, but the father is not judged for what his son did or vice versa. Jesus did not commit any sin.

      Keep in mind that these prophets were living during the time of the Babylonian captivity. Any references to a captivity, exile, scattering of Israel, or a return to Israel must be applied as such. In Matthew 21 13 he says that God's house is to be a house of prayer, as Isaiah said, but it became a den of thieves. This implies that this prophecy may have already happened, meaning that our understanding of the messianic age is faulty for both Jews and Christians. Notice how nowhere in the old testament do we see a reference to a millenial reign, a 1000 year reign. Jesus never even mentioned a 1000 year reign. And neither did John in Revelations. My source for this info is Alexander Gibb's article, "Jesus Never Mentioned a Millennium Reign".

      John wrote the Greek word ‘chilioi’ in Revelation 20:4 ‘and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand (chilioi) years’, he did not write ‘and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand (chilias) years'. So what is the difference?

      A Quote from Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionary

      ‘G5507 ÷ßëéïé chilioi khil'-ee-oy Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand: - thousand.’

      ‘G5505 ÷éëéÜò chilias khil-ee-as' From G5507; one thousand (“chiliad”): - thousand.’

      Chilioi’ is unique in its plurality, its etymology is not from any known numeric value, and it is unique in its usage of the word ‘thousand’.

      In Revelation 20, ‘thousand’ was always 'chilioi', not the numerical 1000 'chilias’. John had good cause for using 'chilioi' in preference to 'chilias', because the Holy Spirit inspired him.

      ‘chilioi’ is an adjective whereas ‘chilias’ is a noun. As an adjective ‘chilioi’ is descriptive and therefore more suitable for figurative speech and described an undefined period.

      "Jews also believe that Paul doctrines originated just like all other religions of the world. It is about a man and his personal revelation and experiences to create doctrine. However, Judaism is not about someone’s personal revelation, but it is about the one true God making Himself known through a national revelation at Mt. Sanai."

      You are absolutely correct, and I am glad that you took the time to discuss this with me. I have been following you for a while and I think you are very educated and cordial. I am glad that there are still people who can have respectful religious discussions. Shalom.

    • PlanksandNails profile imageAUTHOR

      PlanksandNails 

      9 months ago

      AF Mind,

      The Jews see Paul’s teaching as an alienation from Torah-faithful Judaism that they believe is a contradiction to the teaching of the Hebrew bible. Also, it states nowhere in the Tanakh the Messiah would come and die to atone for their sins.

      The Tanakh states that people can be called righteous and that there are righteous people — Paul states that no one can be declared righteous by the deeds of the Law. The Jews believe the Law given to Moses is the word and the will of God. They would say that to do the deeds of the Law is His word, what God says to do and that they can do it. This why they do not believe in Paul’s doctrines because he states that you cannot be called righteous by doing what God says, which is the Law.

      The Jews believe that if you do what the Father says, then you are doing what is right. If you do what the law commands then you are innocent and righteous.

      And the Lord commanded us to perform all these statutes, to fear the Lord, our God, for our good all the days, to keep us alive, as of this day. And it will be for our merit that we keep to observe all these commandments before the Lord, our God, as He has commanded us." – Deuteronomy 6:24-25

      Behold, I have set before you today life and good, and death and evil, inasmuch as I command you this day to love the Lord, your God, to walk in His ways, and to observe His commandments, His statutes, and His ordinances, so that you will live and increase, and the Lord, your God, will bless you in the land to which you are coming to take possession of it. If your heart deviates and you do not listen, and you will be drawn astray, and you will prostrate yourself to other deities and serve them, I declare to you this day, that you will surely perish, and that you will not live long days on the land, to which you are crossing the Jordan, to come and take possession thereof. – Deuteronomy 30:15-18

      The way of righteousness, goodness and life is found in keeping the laws are found in many places in the Tanakh. Yet, Paul says no one is declared righteous before God unless you believe in Jesus. The Jew will say that in the Tanakh, Noah was declared righteous before God.

      These are the generations of Noah, Noah was a righteous man he was perfect in his generations; Noah walked with God. – Genesis 6:9

      And the Lord said to Noah, "Come into the ark, you and all your household, for it is you that I have seen as a righteous man before Me in this generation. – Genesis 7:1

      Paul’s point in Romans is that keeping the law of righteousness or to get righteousness is finished.

      The Jew will say that the law was given in the first place to set and maintain the holy set-apart status of Israel as righteousness for the people (Deuteronomy 6:24-25; Leviticus 18:5). In Ezekiel 18:5-9, the passage shows that what a person does and how they live makes a person righteous, not simply what he believes.

      Also, there is nothing in the Tanakh that states that keeping the law for righteousness would come to an end. The Hebrew Scripture says the opposite that in the world to come the laws will be written upon people’s hearts where they will they will naturally keep what it says (Jeremiah 30:33; Ezekiel 37:21-24).

      To the Jews, the beliefs of Christians, Hebrew Christians, Messianic Jews, etc... are all built upon the premise of Jesus being the Messiah based on the Messianic prophecies in the Tanakh. They will say that looking at these prophecies in closer detail, in context, without mistranslations and interpolations reveals a different narrative.

      As stated in the article, the Tanakh (Old Testament) is not filtered through the New Testament, rather the New Testament must be filtered through the Tanakh (Old Testament) to be deemed as true. The prophecies in the New Testament cannot be deemed true unless the prophecies in the Tanakh are true and refer to Jesus as the Messiah. It cannot be the other way around.

      The Jews believe that their bible is consistent and that a person cannot die for the sins of another. They believe that the sins committed by one person are their own responsibility; therefore, they cannot be wiped out by punishing another.

      In Exodus 32, Moses asked God to punish him for the sin committed by others who were involved in worshiping the golden calf. God tells him that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment.

      'Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.' - Deuteronomy 24:16

      This is also repeated in Ezekiel 18:

      'The soul that sinneth, it shall die... the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.'

      Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man's death atones for another man's sins shall no longer be held by anyone.

      'In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.' – Jeremiah 31:29:30

      This is why Jews do not believe that Jesus is their Messiah because a human sacrifice to atone for the sins of another is foreign to their sacred text and theology. They believe that the doctrines Christians believe in is ‘after the fact’ to give meaning and purpose to the crucifixion event. This goes against what God has said in Deuteronomy 24:16.

      Christians will insist that Jesus’ crucifixion was the final atonement for mankind because it marked the end of animal sacrifices, but Jewish Scripture foretells that the sacrificial system will be restored in the Messianic age (Isaiah 56:7; Jeremiah 33:17-18; Zechariah 14:21; Ezekiel 43:22-25).

      Jews also believe that Paul doctrines originated just like all other religions of the world. It is about a man and his personal revelation and experiences to create doctrine. However, Judaism is not about someone’s personal revelation, but it is about the one true God making Himself known through a national revelation at Mt. Sanai.

    • AF Mind profile image

      AF Mind 

      9 months ago

      Although I am still studying the correlation between the New Testament and OT prophecies, it is my belief that the Torah was never done away with.

      Romans 3 20-28

      It is true; the law, while perfect, only does what the law is meant to do; expose sin. Here is an example; you have rules in your household. But you as a parent can choose to forgive your child for breaking a rule or punish them. That is where grace comes in to play, and it does not contradict this verse because if you read the Old Testament you see this being played out all over the place. Verse 28 says man is made right by faith and not the works of the law. But as we will see when we go further on faith is the backbone for adherence to the law and this is addressing works without faith, Romans 4 14-15

      Notice how it says they depend on the law and not faith. They are choosing one over the other. We know that the Israelites when they were not worshiping idols, did have faith. In Habbakuk 2 4 it says that the righteous did live by faith, but we know they kept the law. How does that work? Throughout this, you'll see how faith and law go hand in hand, and that there were those who tried to lean on one of those without using the other.

      The next verse says the law brings wrath. But we must keep in mind that the law itself is not grace, and grace is not the law. They work together.

      Romans 10 4

      The word "end" can be found in the Strong's Concordance as 5056: telos. "an end, a toll". Also meaning definite point or goal. The Savior kept the law perfectly, and is our example. It is our duty to walk as he did (1 John 2 6).

      2 Corinthians 3 7-15

      Here is the answer to what is being written. It is a command that came forth from the mouth of the Creator through Moses chiseled on stone and written on paper, and it was glorious. So as glorious as that was, it is more glorious when these laws are being written on the hearts of men who will obey. Many quote Philippians 4 13 and say they can do all things through the Savior, but the law is unable to be followed by them. Where is their faith if you don't think the law can be followed without difficulty through the Savior, but yet they say they can do all things through him? And like earlier, no verse has said the law is done away with.

      Verses 9-11. An example of verse 11 is that things get old and rot away. But the spiritual things live forever. So the words of the law should be written on the heart. Not only is this written in the Old Testament, but also in the New Testament. And Paul has in no way disagreed with this. The law is only a ministry of condemnation for those who condemn it and break it.

      As for verses 14-15, keep in mind that it is talking about the Old Testament Israelites, and how verse 13 says Moses had to put a veil on for the others because his face shined. They were closed to the gospel. Only by God can they see that Jesus is the Messiah. There were still Jews who did not believe. This was not about the Torah.

      Galatians 2 19

      It says Paul became dead to the law. But let's keep reading.

      "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." — Galatians 2 20

      Is Paul saying he literally died and now Christ is the one we are speaking too? In the previous verse, Paul had said that he was dead. "For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live to God." Dead to the law. The law demands that we die because at some point in our life we have broken that law. When we receive Christ, we become "dead to the law" because we are "crucified/impaled with Messiah."

      He didn't die for us so that our sins could be blotted out and we could return to our old ways. In him we can find redemption and salvation from the penalty. And Christ himself says we must be born again.

      1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

      2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

      3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. — John 3 1-3

      What is being said here is that those who are faithful died with him, for they are born again. Not an actual death, but the one we used to be has died. Romans 6 6.

      Verse 21 says he does not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness came from the law then Jesus died for nothing. It does not negate the Torah. If our righteousness came from our own works, we could have been declared righteous without Messiah and his death would mean nothing. The "good news of the circumcision" taught that believers in Messiah are not saved until they learn and obey the Torah, then get circumcised. But the truly good news is that we are all saved the moment we choose to repent and have faith in him.

      Galatians 3 10-25

      DEUTERONOMY 30 15

      "See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil."

      So the choice is life and good or death and evil. Reminder; this is the law that is being written on the hearts of the faithful and the obedient men who chose to believe in the Messiah and be reconciled to the Creator. So what is it from the law that brings death as Paul says? Simple. According to these verses obeying the law brings life. But disobeying it brings death. Disobeying the law is a long-term phrase for sin. We read that in 1 John 3 4. Sinning brings death. Transgressing his law brings death. Paul reminds us of this in Galatians 3 10. We will see this being repeated in James 2 10.

      This verse is a cross-reference to Deuteronomy 27 26. This does not say, "Cursed is everyone who tries to do the things written in the law". Trying to obey it is not a curse. It says those who do not obey it are cursed. This in no way means the law is done away with. There is no proof so far. That would be contradictory as earlier Paul said the law is written on the believer's heart. And since this is a reference to Jeremiah 31 31-33, an Old Testament verse where the law was still being followed. So the only conclusion based on scripture alone is that this is the law being written on their hearts. Saying it is anything else is just adding or not using proper context.

      Now we will go to verses 24-25. Question; how does the law leading us to Christ mean that the law itself is done away with? Some may say that it is because the law was a temporary teacher until Jesus came. But the scripture says the law is good. Deuteronomy 30 15. " See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;" So if the law, the teacher, was a good teacher, why should we not keep what we were taught? And why would anything our new teacher, who is also good, contradict the old teacher if they are both talking about the same exact thing? Before we were believers, the law showed us that we needed salvation and redemption. It confined us all under sin, kept until the promise by faith in Christ would be revealed to us. Its purpose is to bring us to him so that we can be declared righteous by faith.

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