Why do Christians impose their beliefs in a middle of a conversation.
What?! Why would you bring up Christianity when we are talking about something else?
This is about an ex friend of mine, who decided to bring religion into a conversation that had nothing to do with the conversation we were having. The conversation I had with this lady was about an article I read about a woman, who waited 20 weeks into her pregnancy to have an abortion because she didn't want to have 2 more girls. I found it to be disgusting that a human being would do such a thing. I was also commenting on the fact my cousin was being attacked for being Christian, and her character was being questioned based on her religion.
I think I have stated that I don't think all Christians are horrible, but my ex friend and her weird beliefs are very horrible, she calls herself a Christian, but she refers to it as "The true Christian faith". I stick up for anyone who isn't an arrogant egotistical person. I said it like that so I didn't sound pretentious. Back to the story, now she doesn't speak well and has very poor grammar. If I don't translate no one will understand what she was trying to say. I will do my very best to translate accurately, I will be reading the conversation as I translate, then I shall provide the conversation itself from my screenshots.
Here we go. Ex friend "Who's judging anyone? I think you should look up the word judging before you jump to conclusions :)"
My cousin "Oh trust me.. I know what (Me) is referring to and it was definite judging"
Ex friend "Ok and...? She's judging in her status but she doesn't like when other people judge?.... Hmmm, ok then that makes perfect sense lol" "I'm not saying I disagree with what she's saying, but also she shouldn't judge anyone either, otherwise she's being a hypocrite. I don't think any woman shoul have an abortion (as she mentioned in the status), but also she should maybe not make too big of a deal about it, because she doesn't want people to judge her about being Pagan. Maybe she shouldn't judge people on having an abortion, that's just stupid"
Me "I'm not judging them on having an abortion as I stated, I know people who have. I don't like it, it makes me angry, and to me there is no justification for killing an innocent soul. That's an opinion, a judgment would be, "You're going to the underworld to have a painful afterlife, after death for killing an innocent soul". I'm not judging I'm saying I hate it, that's how I feel, and I am more than entitled to feel that way, and say it!" "The person who I'm referring to was judging my cousin on more than just her views on abortion, she was judging her beliefs in her God which I believe is wrong as well. She judged her character based on how she feels about abortion. It outraged me and made me want to write my status" "And why would anyone judge me on being Pagan? Do I go around saying other people's religion is stupid just because it's strange to me? No, so if anyone has anything negative to say about me being Pagan they should block and delete me now, because me being Pagan shouldn't be an issue!" "I know of people who are very close to me who have had abortions.. I understand why they did it, I don't hate them for it, to be honest I'm glad they did early instead of at 20 weeks like that sick woman did in Ontario... I don't like it, but I love them with all my heart and I wouldn't ever stop loving them just because of a decision they made that they believed was right. It's their choice and I can't judge that. But that woman in Ontario did it just because she didn't want to have 2 more girls... She did it at 20 weeks pregnant... She waited that long just to do it... And you know how they do it at 20 weeks? They dismember the babies inside the woman's womb, meaning they cut the little things into pieces, and then have the woman deliver the pieces into a toilet... Tell me that's not something to be angry and disgusted about? Anyone with a baby and who wants a baby would be disgusted at the thought of that! It's inhumane and immoral!"
Ex friend "Do you think I'm going to read all that lol. Just grow up (Me). Why do you always feel you need to defend every word you say? Stop being so insecure, I don't care what you do or say. All I know is you don't want people to judge you, then shut your mouth and don't judge anyone, family or not, who are you to say what's right and what's wrong, just because you disagree with something doesn't make it true or not. You don't believe in God so why should you care about abortion, seeing on how when you die, you seem to think you won't be judged, therefore you have no morality on what is God or not, seriously I don't think you know anything about any type of religion or faith. I think you're very confused because you like to say a lot about others but when they have something to say you don't like to hear it, try so hard to fight back with words because it bothers you and you know deep down it's not up to you to judge anyone about anything. My advise to you is if something bothers you don't go shouting it to the world, humble yourself and get your mouth shut, and not just you but anyone who feels the need to throw their opinion in the choices that others make with their lives" "Sorry for the typos, my phone is garbage, but I'm sure you get what I'm saying" "Oh and by the way you said abortion makes you angry, well guess what? People who say God isn't real, that makes me angry too. And sick to my stomach because I know what will happen to them and no matter how much I try to help someone see the truth they refuse. Do you know how sad that makes ME? So remember not everyone has to agree with you"
Me "I do, and I'm not the one who needs to grow up, I am NOT judging anyone. I'm stating an OPINION! And just to be clear I don't know anyone who wouldn't be sick to know that a woman had her daughters chopped up inside of her just to give birth. And saying that I don't have a sense of morality because I'm not Christian is a judgement and I do sorry to say. just because I am not Christian doesn't mean I don't know what is right, and what is wrong. You're a very sad person to think that just because I'm Pagan I don't have moral views on things. You need to grow up and shut your mouth because you do the same thing on your statuses, so leave mine alone, I didn't ask anyone to comment. I simply said it made me mad, and why it made me mad. End of story, I'm entitled to my thoughts and feelings."
Ex friend "I'm not saying you don't have morality because you're not Christian (me). I'm saying you have no morality because you don't believe in God. That's my opinion, how does it feel (Me), you don't think opinions are judgements then you're crazy. It's not your opinion to say anything and don't worry about what I put on my status because most of what I put on my status is straight out of the bible. Those are the words of the bible which I strongly believe to be true, not words of my own so sorry if the BIBLE offends you. What's wrong with you anyways geez I think (My youngest sister) is the only normal one in your family, oh yea that's just another opinion :D" "Anyways say what you want from now on. I won't be writing back this is just childish, and I refuse to be a part of it any longer."
Me "Hahaha, those are judgements, you need to look up the definition of opinion. An opinion shouldn't sound offensive, it should sound like a thought, not an attack like: I don't know morality because I'm not Christian. And most of your statuses aren't from the bible they're bullshit that goes on in your everyday life. Like that stuff about a woman who beats her kids because of her boyfriend. JUDGEMENT!" "You need to go back to school, and I'm not crazy, I'm passionate sorry if that offends you" "But I'm human and I don't think anyone has the right to chop up a baby and give birth to its pieces" "If you think that's ok maybe you should read the bible again" "Cause your God who I never said didn't exist, I simply said I don't believe in him" "Says murder is a sin" "And anything alive that is killed is murdered whether invitro or not!" "And as a Pagan I believe in all life and fight for the right of those innocent souls just as much as a Christian! So you need to grow up (ex friend) just because I don't believe in your God, you attack me any chance you get, trying to show how "Demoralizing" Paganism is when you're the only one demoralized."
Ex friend "I agree no one should have an abortion and should probably never have a chance to reproduce, but making a big ass status for everyone to see isn't your job to do, and I was being sarcastic on my opinion just to show you how stupid you are in saying you're not judging any opinion out of your mouth. If it's not about yourself it's straight up judgement and why should I care if I judge you now since you seem not to give a shit, why should anyone else right?"
Me "If you can't understand my big words you should stay in your night school or whatever the hell you're doing to get your GED because you obviously don't know what you're talking about. You can't even effectively state an opinion"
Ex friend "Now stop bothering me I'm busy, good day peace out"
Me "Haha see you're the only one who fights and says stupid shit when no one agrees with YOU! I don't make anyone agree with me, they either do, or don't, I don't care. You on the other hand say hurtful judgmental shit because you can't stand to be wrong." "I can admit when I'm wrong, more than I can say for you."
Ex friend "You're such a silly girl just stop already (me) you obviously don't understand a damn point I'm trying to make, so just get over it, I have opinions too. Do you want to hear them? 1.) I'm prettier than you. 2.) I'm skinnier than you. 3.) your boyfriend isn't that ugly so I can't understand why he's with you, he can do a lot better. See those are my opinions I honestly don't know how your boyfriend puts up with you. You're mental girl go get some help. I'm deleting you I'm tired of negative people. Get a life man."
One more thing...
I blocked her before she could delete me. I was so sick of her crap. She tried to say I was crazy because I got upset about her saying I wasn't morally allowed to have an opinion because I didn't believe in her God. I was very upset, and as you can see I wasn't insulting her religion rather her as a person. My cousins are Christian and I respect their beliefs. I was sticking up for my cousin actually because someone was saying that she only cared because she's a Christian. I was making a point that it's not just Christians who care about abortions, it's all walks of life who care. I was also saying that my cousin didn't deserve what that woman was saying about her because my cousin is a beautiful person inside and out. I love her and she has never tried to change me.
I will post the screenshots. I just want to let you know as well that I didn't block out her name, I would appreciate people who see her name not look her up and say horrible things to her. I have blocked her and I have left her alone. I don't care to bring it all up again.
Another thing, when this conversation happened it was when I was going through a hard time. The ministry had taken my son because of some allegations against me, they ended up giving him back 3 weeks after taking him because I got a lawyer and fought. She had said something about my religion and the fact he was taken from me was a direct result of my religion. These are all the reasons I spoke openly to her the way I did. I was respectful up until this point. I just nodded and let it roll off my back, but when this conversation happened I decided she thinks I'm scared of her God, I need to stick up for myself.
You can't let people bully you no matter who you are, what you believe in, how or what is happening. You can't just let them say hurtful things, and judge you, it's your right as a person to say "No this is not ok!" That's exactly what I did, I didn't allow it, and as you can see she thought she was right, tried to justify herself with her bible, and her God, and when I still held strong, she insulted me and attacked me, then made advances at my husband, then I blocked her.
A little about her history, she had her first baby at 14. She currently has 4 and she's 18 or 19 years old now. They all have different fathers, and the last one she had, the father has been more than abusive to her. Her beliefs are stranger than your regular Christian, and she believes that anyone who doesn't follow the bible is evil. I found her to be very scary... She got drunk and came to my house before I had kids when I was about 19 I think, she busted down my front door and screamed that everyone was evil and she was going to kill us all...
That's the person I was dealing with here in this conversation, someone who claims to believe in God and hold so strongly to her bible, yet does many things to contradict her claims. I'm not perfect, I've had my share of terrible things I've done, I've admitted to them and I've tried to atone for my mistakes. To this day no matter how much I've changed some of my family still do things to hurt me for past mistakes I cannot change, because they don't understand that I can't change who I was, but they can change how they treat me now, especially after all that I've been through. I've done so much to make up for what I did, and what I did wasn't even that bad.
So I didn't write this to say I'm better than her, I wrote this to show that even when you're discussing something other than religion, Christians still impose it when they feel it's something they should use to try and convert. Don't be swayed by their actions, they try to prove that you're confused and as long as you know you're on the right path, they will stop, they get really mad, and they attack you on all levels. Don't let it get to you it's not you, it's them.
Thank you for reading, and I hope you enjoyed this hub :)