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Why was Jesus Baptized in Water and in Spirit?

Updated on March 12, 2016

Why did Jesus Need to be Baptized?

How many believers have pondered the question of why was Jesus baptized with water and the Holy Spirit? This is a question I had wondered about for many years and until recently could not find an answer to this question. Here, I am talking about Jesus who had a sinless life. So, why was it necessary for a man who is the Son of God, who was perfect in all manner, had to be baptized? Clearly Jesus had nothing to repent for. His baptism would seem to most of us sinners to have no valid purpose. And yet, He was baptized in water and immediately after baptized with the Holy Spirit? This information about Jesus baptism in water and Spirit is mentioned in all four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. However, I want to mention only a few verses in the Book of Matthew which I believe provide a little bit more information than what you will read in the other three books.

In Matthew 2: 13-17 (NKJV) it states: 13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordon to be baptized by him. 14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying," I need to be baptized by You, and you come to me? 15 But Jesus answered and said to him, " Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all rigihteousness." 16 The he allowed Him. 16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immeddiately from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, " This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

There are two points here that for a long time I did not understand, but now I do. The first point that I did not understand was why did Jesus (who had no sin and never repented and never had or needed to receive God's grace) insisted that He be baptized. And second is, why did the voice of God state, " This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased? What made God pleased about Jesus baptism when the fact remains He never repented because He never sinned?

Where I found the answers to these two point will be explained shortly , but first we must look at what followed after the baptism of Jesus. After His baptism Jesus went in to the wildeness for 40 days and was tempted by Satan. As we all know Jesus over came any effort by Satan to tempt Jesus into sinning. Shortly afterwords Jesus began His ministry.

What is most interesting about the beginning of Jesus ministry is He started with the gospel of the Kingdom of God first. We find in Matthew 4:17 (NKJV) the following 17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, " Repent for the Kingom of God is at hand."

So, what we find here is not long after the baptism of Jesus, He begins preaching " Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at had. What I find most enteresting is the fact the Kingdom message remained the centeral teachings of Jesus throughout the entire three and a half years of His ministry.

At this point we must ask ourselves is there a direct correlation between baptism of water and Spirit with God's Kingdom? Or is baptism JUST a demonstration of our repentence towards God. And a show of our fath in the Father in heaven and our Lord Jesus Christ. What if I told you that without baptism we CAN NOT enter the Kingdom of heaven. And this is also why Jesus Christ Himself was baptized in water and with the Holy Spirit. The concept of baptism is so important that even a sinless man like Jesus had to be baptized. I now direct your attention to a few verses in the Bible that prove my point. It takes place at a point when Jesus is talking to one of the Jewish leader's named Nicodemus where Jesus states in John 3:3-5(NKJV) 3 Jesus answered and said to him, " Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again he CANNOT see the Kingdom of God." 4 Nicodemus said to Him, " How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother womb and be born? 5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one in born of WATER and of SPIRIT, HE CANNOT ENTER the Kingdom of God."

This is the key that explains why even Jesus, who was without sin, had to be baptized.

Now let's back up two chapters and read in John 1:33 (NKJV) which states:33 I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, " Upon whom you see the SPIRIT descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit." And this explains why Jesus insisted that John baptize Him with water. And the Spirit descended on Jesus. Also it explains why the voice of God said, "This is My Son, in whom I am well pleased."

I believe immediately following the baptism in water and Spirit, Jesus entered the heavenly Kingdom of God. This would explain why Jesus said in Luke 17:20-21 (NKJV) which states: Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, " The Kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, "See here! or See there! For the Kingdom of God is within you."

It is clear the Kingdom of God was in Jesus at the time He spoke those words. Because He was the only person up to that point who had been baptized in water and Spirit. I believe this is why the voice of God said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

For three and a half years the core of Jesus miniistry was focused on the Kingdom of God (heaven). But on His death and resurrection His last few words to His disciples was focus on baptism. Jesus states the following in Matthew 28:19 (NKJV) which states: 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

No doubt Jesus was the first to be baptized in water and Spirit, who had entered the Kingdom and is now seated at the right hand of His Father.

Many blessings.








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      KingdomCome 8 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      So long false prophet.

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      Michael Adewale Olubode 8 months ago from Celestial Church of Christ, +2347067550237.

      Hmm. I see your frustration now. May the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on your soul. Nevertheless, we shall all come to see who is true or false at the resurrection of the just. I leave you to your judgement. But one thing I know, whether you like it or not. I stand to be judged by no one except God Almighty. So there is no need wasting your sweat over me. Leave Him to judge me or vindicate me Himself. You are too tiny to judge in this matter. I will henceforth stop following this thread.

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      KingdomCome 8 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      micadeolu- You may be able to delete my comments in your article that proves your a liar and false prophet but you can not delete my comments in my article. I wrote a quote in which you stated from your article in one of my above comements. You later changed the quote of yours to read something different. Then you deleted all my comments that reveals your falsehood. And now you try to hide the fact that you are a liar and clearly a false prophet. It seems to me that you hate the idea that there are those who know what a false prophet is when they see one. And point out your face as one of them. Only a fool and an idiot would believe anything you teach and accept the idea that you are a true prophet. I'm sure you live off the backs of pew warmers who believe in your falsehoods. But there are many like myself who see you for what you really are. A false prophet spawned by satan.

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      Rich Kelley 8 months ago from The Ekklesia

      Dear false Prophet

      Unlike you, the Holy Spirit and the Word of God are not in disagreement.

      You were no more born a Christian than you were born a sinner. Did Christ sin to save? Disciples of Christ don't go around sinning to save either. Repentance can be done by false prophets as well, today is the day.

      The only error is that you have by self deception placed yourself above the word of God, something that would never happen with a disciple of Christ. Repent, remove the costume you outwardly cloth yourself with to hide the darkness that rules your heart. Every time you say I to blow your trumpet it is not Christ that speaks but the darkness of self.

      There is only one reason you break your vow and that is because you are still a sinner that has not repented. If you are in sin you are in darkness and where there is darkness there is no light. Repent.

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      Michael Adewale Olubode 8 months ago from Celestial Church of Christ, +2347067550237.

      You see the error you are making is this. You make the Bible a teacher, and the Holy Spirit a witness. No! But rather, the Holy Spirit should be the teacher, while the Holy Bible is the witness. For the law cannot teach, it can only show you your errors.

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      Michael Adewale Olubode 8 months ago from Celestial Church of Christ, +2347067550237.

      I break my vow and prefer to commit a sin to save you blind people here. I advice you all to read Acts 10 : 1-16 prayerfully and spiritually may be the Lord, if He chooses, may save your blind souls.

      I was born a Christian and have a priestly background. But the Lord Jesus Christ, whom you ignorantly claim is your Lord, has revealed Himself to me in reality. Not by reading the bible. Jesus said once,

      You study the Scriptures diligently because

      you think that in them you have eternal life.

      These are the very Scriptures that testify

      about me," (John 5:39)

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      charlie 8 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      mica- you are truly a prophet, A FALSE PROFIT. a TOOL OF SATAN.

      you are one of those that Paul warned us about so many times.

      I just read your dream interpretation article. you are certainly in touch with the spiritual world , problem is its the WRONG SPIRITS that you are reated to.

      you might want to read my article on SCRIPTURAL DREAM INTERPRETATION. The scriptures are clear only God gives the interpretation of dreams

      Dan 2:27-30

      28 But there is a God in heaven who reveals secrets, and He has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will be in the latter days. Your dream, and the visions of your head upon your bed, were these: 29 As for you, O king, thoughts came to your mind while on your bed, about what would come to pass after this; and He who reveals secrets has made known to you what will be. 30 But as for me, this secret has not been revealed to me because I have more wisdom than anyone living, but for our sakes who make known the interpretation to the king, and that you may know the thoughts of your heart.

      NKJV

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      Rich Kelley 8 months ago from The Ekklesia

      "I have no further comment for narrow minded, blind guide like you"

      If this was true you would have stopped typing.

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      Michael Adewale Olubode 8 months ago from Celestial Church of Christ, +2347067550237.

      I have no further comment for narrow minded, blind guide like you. I have a feeling you were an atheist before you found the bible and not Christ. You use the bible letters to wage war on those who refuse to believe your interpretation of the bible and the teaching of Christ. You are so blind to realise that you cannot understand the scriptures while you cover your face with the scriptures. You don't even know that anything pened to teach has become a law. And the law is a mere shadow of good things to come. Haven't you read, or maybe it is not yet time for you to use that bible portion to charm your followers that the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life in 2 Corinthians 3:6? You see, find God first, then use the scripture to guide you if it's God truly speaking to you.

      I am only practising what Paul did when he he saw some people who were worshipping an unseen god. He used tact and love to win over the unbelievers and at the end they turned to the real God. In your case, your articles reflect the spirit of an aggrieved man whom the isis or boko haram had dealt with in the past and so vowed to deal with them or anyone associated with Islam.

      My dear hubber, you cannot defend or fight for God. Then learn to project your teachings to reflect some love. Those people you see as evil people were not evil in the beginning. But now they possessed by the devil. You cannot use war to win war. What you can use is LOVE.

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      KingdomCome 8 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      PandN- I realize your comment was not directed to me. But I thank you for commenting. I hope to see another article from you soon.

      God Bless

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      PlanksandNails 8 months ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      micadeolu,

      You have come to the wrong place to vent.

      It states in Scripture,

      Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them; for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead EXPOSE THEM. - Ephesians 5:6-11

      We are admonished to expose people who speak empty words.

      Let's have a look at your self refuting comment and EXPOSE who you are.

      You stated,

      (((Find love, then may be all these gabages you teach may have meaning. Sorry if my comment do not radiate love. You refused to give it, so I have no love to return in my comment too.)))

      Your hypocrisy is that you cannot practice what you preach. You preach "find love," then you say yourself "I have no love to return."

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      KingdomCome 8 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      micadeolu- I'm will not delete your comment. I want people to read your comment and then your false article and hopefully read your false teaching to see just what kind of a false prophet you really are. I know the Bible well enough to know false teaching when coming from someone who claim to be a prophet. You are the worst kind. You teach a lot of garbage and say a lot of false thing. You made the following claim in you last article you wrote and I quote you; The Lord demands that all Christians and Muslams fast and pray for the nation. Well, anyone who truely knows the Bible knows that Not believing that Jesus Christ is the SON of God is an ANTI-CHRIST as in stated in 1 John 2:22. Those muslams of the Islamic faith DO NOT believe Jesus Christ is the SON of God. Therefore THEY ARE ANTICHRISTS. So you tell me. Why would the Lord DEMAND those who are ANTICHRISTS to fast and pray for a nation? This means that what you said is a blad face LIE and you ARE A FALSE PROPHET. I suggest you stop your false teaching for satan.

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      Michael Adewale Olubode 8 months ago from Celestial Church of Christ, +2347067550237.

      You are nothing but an impocritical blind guide who desires to use the scripture to win people's hearts and entangle them to worship your lordship.

      Find love, then may be all these gabages you teach may have meaning. Sorry if my comment do not radiate love. You refused to give it, so I have no love to return in my comment too. I know you will delete this, but at least it will be in your memory. That is enough for me.

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      charlie 11 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      Rod and Rich etc we can continue here

      How can anyone believe in the book of mormon since scripture warns against it?

      http://hubpages.com/make/request/?requestText=How+...?

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      charlie 11 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      I wil start a new question and we can move there.

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      Rodric Johnson 11 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Peace. I cannot discuss anything if my post are deleted.

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      charlie 11 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      rod-- NO the sin is mixing the Holy with the profane and trusting your heart instead of Jesus.

      Jer 17:9-11 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? 10 I, the Lord, search the heart,

      I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways,

      According to the fruit of his doings. 11 "As a partridge that broods but does not hatch, So is he who gets riches, but not by right;

      It will leave him in the midst of his days, And at his end he will be a fool."

      NKJV

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      Rich Kelley 11 months ago from The Ekklesia

      Rodric29

      (((("You cannot see my heart"))))

      LOL you wish I could not see your heart. That is the entire problem I do see your heart. Do you believe that the God we are suppose to serve would tell you one thing and then again something else to me? Your heart is as open as any book that many have read. Why do I know this because your heart is no different than mine so knowing my heart I also know yours.

      The other reason is that God did not want secrets among his creation so he said.

      Luke 6:45 "The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.

      The products of your typing are right out of your heart do not be deceived.

      Your parents sin has nothing to do with you partaking in worldly pagan holidays. In fact your sin of partaking of pagan holidays has nothing to do with me, However, again you knew there was a however, If I know something to be wrong and do not warn another claiming to be a follow of Christ then that wrong is also on my head. So that is why I warn you not that I don't understand, not that I haven't done the same, but that I now know it is wrong, and have repented.

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      PlanksandNails 11 months ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Rodric29,

      I would hope you would reconsider your interpretation of the passage you used from Romans.

      One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be FULLY CONVINCED in his own mind. - Romans14:5

      I guess you would believe that we can substitute just about anything into the verse as long as we are “convinced in our own minds,” then that justifies it!

      The context of Romans 14 is speaking about “special days”, because the Jews had human traditions concerning FASTING twice each week. If someone didn’t follow the pattern, they were regarded as less pious. Paul was simply declaring that what we do, or don’t do is okay, FASTING OR NOT.

      If you look it up, the “days” that Paul was referring to were the traditional fast days mentioned in Zechariah 7:5-6.

      Paul never condoned the adoption of pagan customs and traditions to honor God with them. This is going far beyond the intention of what Paul wrote. Remember Peter warned us not to misunderstand Paul’s writings.

      To build doctrine around the twisting of Scripture according to one’s own eisegesis of a certain passages is not rightly dividing the Word.

      A simple reading of Romans 14 is about certain foods on fast days and how people’s beliefs about fasting should not be interfered with. The fast days could be observed according to each believer’s conscience. A man could eat, or not eat, keep the day, or not keep it. Each man could observe FAST DAYS, or not observe them, according to their own convictions.

      Do not FOR THE SAKE OF FOOD, destroy the work of God. – Romans 14:20

      The question must be asked, “Can a disciple of Jesus Christ follow his own conscience being fully assured in his own mind concerning sinful doctrines and its practices?

      This answer is NO; otherwise, truth would be subjective from one person to the next.

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      Rich Kelley 11 months ago from The Ekklesia

      Only God calls things that are not as thought they are. We and God knows exactly what the pagan holidays are and none of them have been set up by God to be something else. You get to make the choice now, when He returns and finds your house still full of the leaven of the world, I doubt your "but I like it" and look I can twist these scriptures and put the square peg in a round hole is going to work. Your choice but don't expect others that know better to be supportive of your adultery as you "eateth" from the table of self righteousness.

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      Rich Kelley 11 months ago from The Ekklesia

      Rodruc29

      //“but I still think of the Savior on those days.” It is hard to comment to such a statement.//

      I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you may very well think of the Savior everyday of your life. (which would be a good thing). However and you must have known a however or but was coming; I don’t commit adultery and then claim that it was OK because the entire time I was in the act of adultery I was thinking about my wife.

      Being an ex-sailor, much of my life was spent in drunken bars and I can’t claim that it is ok for me to continue to hang out in the bars and all that goes with them as long as I’m thinking about Jesus. Once the deception of what is actually going on is shown to us, repentance should follow, not how can I rationalize and continued to do what I like.

      //“John the Baptist did not celebrate the holidays as did Jesus I think both ways are fine. I wonder when He returns if Jesus will disallow Easter and Christmas?”//

      John the Baptist was a Jew as was Jesus in fact they were related. They both observed all required feasts and Sabbaths. Not sure where your statement is coming from. You mention both ways when there was only one way, there was no difference in observed feasts and Sabbaths between John and Jesus. It would serve you and anyone else that is concerned about what they like to be more concerned about what God likes. It has been shown in the scriptures that it is what we like that turns our backs on God and leads to the serving of other gods.

      We don’t have a new heaven or a new earth, yet already you want to bring your “Liking” the pagan holidays Easter and Xmas into that Kingdom? I liked the bars, I liked the women, I liked the power, I liked control shall I hope Jesus doesn’t get rid of those as well?

      “Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in his wonderful face, and the things of earth will grow strangely dim, in the light of his glory and grace” Don’t just sing the words but believe them and let them happen.

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      Rodric Johnson 11 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Okay, I see. I don't want to detract from your articles purpose. I might adopt a similar stance.

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      charlie 11 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      rich-- thanks for the comment you saved me some work

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      charlie 11 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      rod- scripture is clear we are not to mix the Holy with the profane. celebrating the bastardized holidays is doing exactly that.

      I can assure you that Jesus will disavow those and many more things the apostate churches of men teach.

      if you equate Jesus in any way with xmas you are partaking in the sin . (witchcraft) and according to scripture you are taking the name of the Lord in vain, sin.

      Culture is not part of Christianity any more, it was under the old covenant but not under the new covenant thats one of the the things Jesus brought His sword to eliminate.

      Matt 10:34-39 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law'; 36 and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.' 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

      NKJV

      you said "I love and worship the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. I seek to emulate His life. To teach in the Saviors way," if that is true you must discard your satanic "book of mormon", repent of believing in it and learn what the God given scriptures say and follow them and the REAL JESUS CHRIST. Not the apostate joseph smith and his satanic angel moron.

      also apparently you do not understand that Jesus was a jew so he was under the law until His death. He was sent to fulfill the law, thereby making it null and void and bringing in the new covenant. Which He did. When He returns He will be under the new testament and subject to it.

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      KingdomCome 11 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      Rodric29- you made an earlier statement that Jesus taught baptism to Adam and Eve. This, like many of the mormon teaching is false as one should exspect. You may have obtain this false teaching from what ever books Joseph Smith wrote, but you surely did not get it from the Holy Bible. I don't care where you got it from but I clearly REBUKE this false teaching of your part.

      And please I don't want your false information/teaching comments. If your opinion is based on the mormon teaching then I don't what it in comments in ANY articles I have writen. If you continue and I see them, I WILL delete them.

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      Rodric Johnson 11 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      I accept what you are all saying as valid reasons. The holidays may have started from paganism, but I still think of the Savior on those days. I do not believe that Christ was born in December. I still celebrate the holiday. I don't worship it, though.

      I love and worship the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. I seek to emulate His life. To teach in the Saviors way, I do as the Savior did and celebrate with my culture those things that do not pull me away from Christ. Jesus celebrated all the holidays of His time but provided them the correct context for His disciples.

      John the Baptist did not celebrate the holidays as did Jesus. I think both ways are fine. I wonder when He returns if Jesus will disallow Easter and Christmas? I do not believe He will.

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      Rich Kelley 11 months ago from The Ekklesia

      Rodric29

      You may want to look into your statement "the atoning act of Jesus." It would be an entire study or Hub but the blood of bulls and rams "atoned". What Jesus did enables the remission of sins not just atonement. Read Lev 16 pay attention to the fact that Jesus is not the scape goat. The blood of the lamb on the door post required the angel of death to Passover that house. The Passover started with the removal of Levin/sin from the house and those in the house did the removing, then the blood was place on the door way. Today your avoidance of the angel of death starts with removing the sin and then putting the blood on the door post of your heart so that death will pass you by. The blood of bulls and rams atoned in that it had to be done again and again, not so with the blood of Jesus/Messiah. By following the commandments of Jesus/Messiah you will be sent the Holy Spirit to enable you to not have to clear the sin out every year so that again the blood must be shed. Remission means that it is gone "cured". Do you want atonement or remission? After remission you can in fact live a Holy life by faith as Jesus/Messiah and His disciples learn to do. The Blood of Jesus/Messiah doesn't cover your sins it keeps the angel of death away. The sins are your problem get the Levin out. You do your part and God remembers your sins no more. The Holy Spirit sent by God because Jesus/Messiah asked is to those that follow His commandments. The real Jesus makes a way for remission because he is not a bull or ram but the lamb of God.

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      KingdomCome 11 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      Christmas is pagan which goes to show you just how corrupted mormons and many others who believe in it, are. Easter is the same. There is NOTHING in the bible to indicate that disciple are to celibrate the birth of Jesus mush less spread a lie that His was born on December 25th. This is all "part" of all false church system. But many don't even care.

      Very few seek the Kingdom of God as I often talk about the Kingdom message in most of my articles.

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      charlie 11 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      xmas is a bastardized version of the worship of the the sun god for fall.

      easter is the bazardized version of the sun god for spring.

      both were made up by the catholic church and its apostate leaders. both were and continued to be celebrated in a wanton manner that was and is contrary to scripture.

      check your bible they were NEVER A PART if the apostles doctrine, were never mentioned because they were not ever to be part of His church and were not invented until after the church started accepting false doctrines that they were warned to not accept..

      if they were to be a part of the true church Jesus or Paul surely would have told us, but they gave us the word of God of the ONLY NT celebration, remember Him by His act of dying to set us free

      God is clear He gives the holidays that are to be held for Him in great detail. His Son did the same and the command of how gives us only ONE not multiple as in the OT.

      Worshiping any other but the one given by Christ is false worship.

      Check history and you will see that xmas was not even heard of in the church in USA until the late 1800's

      1 Cor 11:23-26 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.

      Luke 22:17-21 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, "Take this and divide it among yourselves; 18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes." 19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."

      20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

      NKJV

      you might also want to look at the things that area part of xmas that God said His people are to have nothing to do with because they are used in false religions to worship or be worshiped as deities.

      And that many "churches" hold estre sunrise services which are actually the worship of the sun god thanking him for his return for the season.

      http://www.religionfacts.com/christmas gives a simple explanation and more information can be found by searching for the truth.

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      Rodric Johnson 11 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      I enjoy Christmas and like the stories associated with it. I am also intrigued by Easter since it represents the atoning act of Jesus.

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      Rodric Johnson 11 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Celafoe, then you are in luck. I know Jesus is the Christ and am fully converted to Him. I have a testimony of Jesus Christ, which is the gift of prophecy. He will return soon, and He can clear up any misunderstandings we have regarding other things when He gets here. I have hope and faith that Jesus will fulfill His promises and bring us all to a unity of faith that love Him.

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      Char Milbrett 11 months ago from Minnesota

      How do you feel about Christmas, the wise men and the baby Jesus story?

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      charlie 11 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      rd- before we can be on the same page first you would have to convert to following the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of the Living God instead of joseph smiths moron jesus. Scripture warns us many false christs are in the world . We are also warned if ANYONE INCLUDING AN ANGEL from heaven (deceiving spirit) brings you another gospel other than what the apostle Paul teaches let him be accursed. your joe smiths satanic angel and he brought you their false jesus.

      amazing the the scriptures were so explicit , even telling us a false gospel would be brought by an "angel" of satan

      how can anyone read the scriptures and follow the man that brought the false gospel called " the book of mormon " or "another testament of jesus christ"

      scripture says God never changes but their false church changes what God says every time they appoint a new "apostle of mormon"

      no thank you my reading comprehension tells me there is a problem there. nothing lines up with scripture.

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      Rodric Johnson 11 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      I also agree with you KingdomCome. Confirmation is nowhere that I have found supported in the old or new Testament. We are commanded to teach our children the gospel as it stands, and they will through experience come to know that it is true as they practice. There is not special ceremony where the come of age and declare to the church they now believe. The closest thing to something like that is baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost which is still a stretch to say.

      I think of Pauls introduction to the rest of the Apostles as possibly a sort of confirmation into that brotherhood. The church did have to accept Pauls calling as an apostle following his conversion, but that still might not qualify as a confirmation. I want to do some more study on it.

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      Rodric Johnson 11 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Celafoe, I just told you the scriptural proof. The entire atonement is proxy. What would you call His sacrifice then?

      He did it on our behalf. That is what proxy means. He suffered so we would not have to suffer if we accept Him.

      I want to be open to your opinion because I believe we have a common desire to promote Jesus Christ. We can leave religion out of it and can even limit our exchanges to ideas derived from the Holy Bible.

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      charlie 11 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      there is absolutely NO SCRIPTURE to support any kind of proxy.

      Your example is not valid.

      That is your mormon cult leaders imagination at work. joseph smith and his personal demon moron.

      Real Christianity came from Jesus Christ, not from the catholic cult, the moron cult or any other place.

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      Rodric Johnson 11 months ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      This was a good read. I also know that Jesus was baptised to fulfill all righteousness. Of course, He had no sin of His own that needed washing away, but to keep all the commands of God, He did so. He is our example. All the things that Jesus did we are supposed to do as disciples of God through Jesus Christ.

      Baptism is the gate by which we enter into heaven, and Jesus Christ is the Gate attendant.

      Now, I also believe that Jesus Christ has always taught baptism from the very beginning with Adam and Eve. Before we had the Bible, Jesus, and all the prophet used scriptures. They had to use what the Lord provided for them back then, which we do not have right now. Adam wrote something I am sure as the first man and first prophet. I believe that the Christian faith is one eternal faith taught from the time of Adam, but the ordinances were different due to the fact that Jesus, the promised Messiah had not come. I believe all that we have now, they had then only the used the law of Moses as a type and shadow to point them to Christ. Sure, they may not have know that Christ would be Jesus, but they knew He would come and He did in the man named Jesus.

      I agree that baptism by immersion is nothing new. What is new is baptism by sprinkling. That is not even baptism per se. Many Christians call it baptism due to tradition from the Holy Catholic Church. In fact, most of our traditions come from HCC since most Christain religions were formed from the HCC.

      I heard mention of proxy here. There is Biblical precedent for proxy ordinances. The greatest one is the Atonement of Jesus Christ. He suffered our sins for us, all we have to do is accept that suffering and we will not have to suffer for our sins ourselves.

      In the Old Testament, the entire Law of Moses is a proxy. The animal sacrifices were to teach Israel of the great sacrifice that Jesus would make for them, though years of backsliding and apostasy theological understanding among the Israelites waned. The lamb of atonement and the scapegoat were all proxy ordinances had among the Jews to remove the sins of the people from them and onto the sacrifice. The pageantry of the Law of Moses is a great teaching tool for how Jesus stood in proxy for our sins.

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      KingdomCome 13 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      firstcookbooklady- the confirmation you speak of is not biblical. There are a number of denomenational churches that have confirmations which are most times depended on the age of the individuals. But again it's not biblical. I suggest you research or study on this.

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      Rich Kelley 13 months ago from The Ekklesia

      Firstcookbooklady

      "We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins", is from the Nicene creed, (made up by men) no where in the scriptures will you find that statement. No where in the scriptures will you find baptism by proxy.

      Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

      In the above scripture the "when you were called" should be noted. A child without speech is not called and they don't have one hope, one Lord, or one faith. Your job as a parent is to raise them up in the way that they should go so that when they are called they can respond.

      Think of the creeds of man as a chant or mantra that are repeated over and over for fleshly assurance, they will accomplish nothing and only perpetuate separation from God.

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      charlie 13 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      fcl- you are quoting false doctrine. you are quoting catholic church doctrine that is not found in the scriptures. I challenge you to read the new testament for yourself and you will find most of your doctrines are not scriptural. Christians are to follow Christ, not apostate men or "church" systems .

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      Char Milbrett 13 months ago from Minnesota

      As we read the books of the new Testament, each account written by Jesus's disciples, we find that each account is the same, but in their own words. Mathew, Mark, Luke, John.. these are the names of some of the disciples There were twelve men sitting at the table with Jesus taking part of the Last Supper. Baptism is done by proxy, or God parents, when the baby is too small to have speech. Confirmation is when you are old enough to make your own decision. When you are confirmed, you confirm that you do believe that that there is God, the father Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth. that you acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins, and that Jesus was begotten by a woman, not made. God was the father of the child by Mary, Joseph was the step father.

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      KingdomCome 17 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      Rich- I just finished reading the link you posted. Until now I had never heard of Mikveh. And didn't I realize just how far back water baptism goes. Further, I am happy to see the Mikvel Article make reference to John 3:3-5, which I quoted in this article above. Thank you for the link. I hope others will also take the time to read this link. I have learned something new again.

      Many blessing and thank you.

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      KingdomCome 17 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      Rich- Thank you for the link. I will review it.

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      Rich Kelley 17 months ago from The Ekklesia

      A good link about water baptism

      http://jesus-messiah.com/html/mikveh.html

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      KingdomCome 17 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      Rich- Thank you for providing the root meaning of baptize. I never knew where the word initially came from. I would also like to thank you for all of your comments. They have been informative to inclued the one's from celafoe and PandN.

      God bless

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      Rich Kelley 17 months ago from The Ekklesia

      "Baptism"

      The root meaning of "baptize" is to immerse so that what is dipped takes on the qualities of what it has been dipped in. Ritual purity was important in many instances and is mentioned through the Tenakh. What we call "baptism" was a mikveh (ritual bath) and is still used today.

      The qualities of what we are dipped in brings a little more light to all the scripture references to water, living water, over flowing etc.

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      KingdomCome 17 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      celafoe- Thanks again for commenting. I agree. I maintain my stand and belief that water baptism is needed and not just a show. Our water baptism demostrates as a sign of repentance of sins. Your quote of Col 2:11-15 is a great example of it.

      God bless

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      charlie 17 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      i really believe scripture says that the real reason that WE NEED the water baptism is not for a show, but that it is there that the hard heart of man is circumcised(cracked open) in the circumcision made without hands, thereby preparing us to be able to receive the things of God.

      Col 2:11-15 11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

      NKJV

      this is another reason why many do not have the ability to understand the scriptures, their hearts were not prepared as they have not been baptized. water prepares us to receive the truth, Spirit brings the truth

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      KingdomCome 17 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      flpalermo- Thanks for your comment. Yes, I believe you are correct. The water baptism of Jesus was to fulfill all righteousness. However, to enter the Kingdom it required His baptism in Spirit just as John 3:5 explains. As my initial question is asked, " Why was Jesus baptized in Water and in Spirit? His Baptism in Spirit was not to Fulfilling all Righteousness because that is what the literal water baptism was for.

      Thanks again for your comment flpalermo. And God bless.

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      KingdomCome 17 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      PandN- Thank you for your third comment. At first When reading your second comment to me I was getting the impression that you thought or believe literal water baptism was no longer needed. Which is why I said I would have to study further regarding the Spirit baptism. However, your third comment has clarified what you were trying to explain. I agree now that you cleared up your meaning.

      Both baptisms our needed, but each serve or have a different purpose. I think we're on the same track. And thanks for your comments. God bless.

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      flpalermo 17 months ago

      He was baptized to “fulfill all righteousness” and leave us an example that we should “follow his steps.”

      (1Pe 2:21 KJV) "21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:"

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      PlanksandNails 17 months ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      KingdomCome,

      I'm not trying to negate the importance of "water" baptism. "Water" and "spirit" are connected as the two words pop up together quite often in Scripture.

      While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the HOLY SPIRT was POURED OUT even on the Gentiles. For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, “Can anyone withhold WATER FOR BAPTIZING these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he COMMANDED them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days. - Acts 10:44-48

      The Gentiles received the baptism of the Holy Spirit before they were baptized with water. I believe they were born again into the Kingdom at this point. My contention is that some believe that we cannot enter the Kingdom unless we have been baptized with water too.

      I believe that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a work fulfilled through Jesus Christ when a believer is born again. Water baptism on the other hand is an outward covenant sign of our obedience as a result of being born again.

      One is necessary to enter the Kingdom, the other is an act of obedience (work) done on our part. Jesus did not need the baptism of repentance because he was without sin, but he did it as an act of obedience to the will of his Father.

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      Rich Kelley 17 months ago from The Ekklesia

      PandN

      Ephesians 1:13-14 In Him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of His glory.

      The baptism of the Holy Spirit seals us, for our inheritance. If one were to lay hands on someone and baptize them in the name of the Holy Spirit and fire in the name of Jesus, they would receive the Holy Spirit and the seal of the inheritance.

      In spite of that Phillip was still using water after Christ had ascended.

      Act 8:38-39 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.

      Was this done because that is what Jesus did, I don't know. I'm certain that Phillip used water on the eunuch and more than likely did it in Jesus name. Will keep looking. I know some people that have not been dunked in water but the Holy Spirit is evident in their lives.

      Rich

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      KingdomCome 17 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      PandN- Thanks again for your second comment. It would appear I have to give much more thought and studying to do regarding the verses you have indicated that supports your comments. I will study this further and see where it leads. Thank you very much and God bless.

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      PlanksandNails 17 months ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      Rich,

      On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of LIVING WATER.’” Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. - John 7:38-39

      The Spirit today is the living water that fills, dwells and seals us. This spring of water wells up in us giving eternal life.

      With joy you will draw WATER from the wells of SALVATION – Isaiah 12:3

      The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of WATER welling up to ETERNAL LIFE.” - John 4:14

      It is true we must be baptized in "water," but is it physical water, or is it spiritual living water that gives us entrance into the Kingdom?

      He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the WASHING of regeneration and RENEWAL of the Holy Spirit – Titus 3:5

      It is the new birth in “water” by the Spirit that inducts us into the Kingdom of God. We come into the one Body by the one baptism directed by one Spirit in the name of Jesus.

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      PlanksandNails 17 months ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      KingdomCome,

      John’s baptism was the baptism of repentance, yet Jesus wanted John to baptize him. We know Jesus did not have anything to repent of, but he stated to John, “it is fitting for us to FULFILL all righteousness.” – John 3:15

      Notice the word “fulfill” in this passage. John’s baptism was about the spiritual repentance in the heart of a believer that was identified with the coming Messiah. We can see at the baptism of Jesus by John that this fulfillment was taking place.

      “I baptize you with WATER FOR REPENTANCE, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE. – Matthew 3:11

      Notice the “I” (John) and “He” (Jesus) making the distinction between the two baptisms.

      There he found some disciples. And he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John’s baptism.” And Paul said, “John baptized with the BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE, TELLING THE PEOPLE TO BELIEVE IN THE ONE WHO WAS TO COME AFTER HIM, THAT IS, JESUS.” On hearing this, they were BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS. And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking in tongues and prophesying. There were about twelve men in all. – Acts 19:1-7

      The reason Jesus was baptized was because he was submitting to his Father’s will. It was there that the Holy Spirit anointed him.

      You yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed: how God ANOINTED Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. – Acts 10:37-38

      In the Old Testament, we can reference the prophet, priest and kings who were appointed and anointed by God.

      And Jehu the son of Nimshi you shall ANOINT to be KING over Israel, and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah you shall anoint to be PROPHET in your place. – 1 Kings 19:16

      And you shall put them on Aaron your brother, and on his sons with him, and shall ANOINT them and ordain them and consecrate them, that they may serve me as PRIESTS. – Exodus 28:41

      Then Samuel took a flask of olive oil and poured it over Saul’s head. He kissed Saul and said, “I am doing this because the LORD has APPOINTED you to be the RULER over Israel, his special possession. – 1 Samuel 10:1

      Jesus was baptized in water as part of the fulfillment of the law becoming our appointed Prophet, Priest and King who was anointed by the Holy Spirit to do the ministry/work he had been called to do.

      Again if we go back to John 3:15,

      …“it is fitting for us to FULFILL all righteousness.”

      Jesus is the fulfillment of all righteousness. Jesus knew the words of Isaiah 53.

      …my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be COUNTED RIGHTEOUS – Isaiah 53:11

      You said,

      (((“These are two distinct and separate baptisms. In other words the second baptism (Spirit) can not happen without the first water.”)))

      Yes, it is true that there were two distinct baptisms, but I believe that John’s baptism was fulfilled when Jesus was baptized to “fulfill all righteousness.” The baptism that John spoke of came after Jesus ascended back into heaven. I believe this verse in Ephesians states that there is one baptism that will makes us righteous before our Father in heaven.

      There is one body and one spirit— just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM – Ephesians 4:5

      Being baptized with literal water does not save us, but it is by faith in the fulfilled and finished work of Christ that is a work performed by the Holy Spirit through spiritual baptism. The baptism of the Holy Spirit was promised by John the Baptist, who said that Jesus “will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire."

      Jesus was baptized under the old covenant. He was not baptized in his own name until the “fulfillment” took place.

      And Peter said to them, “REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED EVERY ONE OF YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. – Acts 2:38

      Jesus is now the one who does the baptizing. The baptism of water was before his death was not done in his name. Today, there is now only one baptism, which upon His resurrection and ascension is now done in the name of Jesus by the Spirit. This is the requirement to entrance into the Kingdom. The baptism in literal water before Christ’s death is different than the one baptism (Ephesians 4:5) after Christ’s death (living water).

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      KingdomCome 17 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      PandN- Thank you for your comment. It's always good to share truth and learn from each other. Which now lead me to said that what is utmost important is understanding context of scripture. I, by no means understand everything the bible has to reveal which is why knowledge between brothers of God's word needs to be exchanged. With that said I will relate to you my understanding of John 3:5 because that seems to be the core of your questions or concerns.

      John 3:5 (NKJV) which states: 5 Jesus answered him and said, " Most assuredly, I say to you unless one is born of water and Spirit, he cannot see the Kingdom of God."

      If we back up to the point in time when Jesus was baptized by John in the Jordon we must remember that Jesus insisted that John baptize Him. What was so important to Jesus that He had to undergo water baptism. And yet He was comepletely sinless. And He had nothing to repent for. However, what was clear to Jesus that without the water baptism there would be no baptism of the Holy Spirit. In other words it whe literal water bapism that draws on the baptism of the Spirit. These are two distinct and seperate baptisms. In other words the second baptism (Spirit) can not happen without the first water. Although Jesus was entirely sinless. He needed that first baptism (of water) to obtain the second to received the Holy Spirit. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit was most important to Jesus ministry in order to spread the Kingdom message. I direct your attention to a verse that was overlook in John chapter 3 that we both have not mention until now. John 3:11 Most assuredly, I say to you (meaning Nicodemus) WE speak what WE know and testify what WE have seen and you do not receive OUR witness."

      I ask you this question. Who are the WE and OUR in this verse? In context I believe He is referring to Himself and the Holy Spirit which dwells in Him at the time. It's possiable I may have taken this verse out of context, however I have study this indepth and feel comfortable with the understanding I have of this verse. If I am in err of my understanding I open to listening.

      We must remember that Nicodemus was not baptized in Water or spirit and therefor could not have understood before Jesus explain it to him. Therefore I don't think Jesus had assumed the Nicodemus should have know and much as Jesu was stating a fact or stating His observation that Nicodemus did not know.

      Your quote of Ezekiel 36:25-27 does apply to us and the people of Israel, but it does not apply to Jesus Christ who was totally sinless but baptized anyway.

      Jesus said in John 14:17 (NKJV) states: 17" the Spirit of Truth whom the world cannot receive, because they neither sees Him nor knows Him, for He dwells with you and will be IN you." The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth. We reveived Him through the second baptism. But note and this is a question for you. Are WE not baptized first in literal water baptism before we received the Holy Spirit just like Jesus did? The only answer to this question I think would have to be yes.

      And finally, I have to say, We are one in Spirit in Christ. But it's because of our baptism in Spirit that we are join together as one and in unity. This is what makes us Ecclesia as we continue seeking His Kingdom.

      I might not have answered all your questions with my comment. Feel free to reply with questions if what I have explain is still unclear. Again I am open to corrections in my opinion(s) or understanding.

      PandN, again thank you for your comment and I learned much from you. God bless.

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      Rich Kelley 17 months ago from The Ekklesia

      Planks

      lots of food for thought. The women at the well comes to mind also.

      There are many things that we as disciples do because we are doers of the word that have other spiritual effects that we may not realize until later in our walk with Christ.

      Php 4:9 What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me—practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

      as we practice (do) the things of the kingdom it is like we are trimming our lamps to be brighter. The fleshly body needs to do things that enhance the spiritual side of us.

      Joh 7:37-38 On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, 'Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.'"

      When our heart of stone is changed to a heart of flesh it becomes a fountain of living water

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      PlanksandNails 17 months ago from among the called out ones of the ekklesia of Christ

      KingdomCome,

      Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of WATER and the SPIRIT, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. – John 3:5

      When Jesus said these words to Nicodemus, he assumed he should have known what he was talking about. John 3:1 states that he was deemed a “Pharisee” who was a “ruler of the Jews.”

      Jesus answered him, “Are you the TEACHER of Israel and YET YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND these things? – John 3:10

      I find it interesting that Jesus said that to him. If Nicodemus was deemed a teacher, he should have known the OT well, and should not have claimed to misunderstand what Jesus was saying to him.

      It states further on in the passage that the Holy Spirit’s regenerating work is invisible.

      If that is the case, was the “water” Jesus was talking about invisible too based on his analogy in verse 8?

      The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but YOU DO NOT KNOW WHERE IT COMES FROM OR WHERE IT GOES. SO IT IS WITH EVERYONE WHO IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT.” – John 3:8

      Was the “water” Jesus was talking about pertaining to an external rite (immersion in literal water), or was it about purifying regeneration work (water) of the Holy Spirit that comes from heaven?

      …how can you believe if I tell you HEAVENLY THINGS? – John 3:11

      Again, Jesus seemed to indicate that Nicodemus should have understood what he was talking about.

      There seems to be a parallel passage in in Ezekiel that refers both to “water” and “spirit.”

      I wonder if Jesus was referring to these following verses in Ezekiel when he was speaking to Nicodemus?

      I will sprinkle clean WATER on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. And I will give you a NEW HEART, and a NEW SPIRIT I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. – Ezekiel 36:25-27

      This passage reveals the future promise of God who will purify with life giving “water.”

      So my question is, can we interpret “water” in John 3:8 as to mean literal physical water (water baptism), or is it based on the following analogy in verse 8 to be spiritual in nature?

      “I baptize you with WATER for repentance, but HE WHO IS COMING AFTER ME is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will BAPTIZE you with the HOLY SPIRIT and FIRE. – Matthew: 3:11

      And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with WATER, BUT YOU will be baptized with the Holy SPIRIT.’ – Acts 11:16

      The SPIRIT and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And LET THE ONE WHO IS THIRSTY COME; let the one who desires take the WATER of life without price. – Revelation 22:17

      When Jesus prayed,

      “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be ONE, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be ONE even as we are ONE, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly ONE, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. – John 17:20-24

      Those who drink the free spiritual “water” of life have the opportunity to become born again by the Spirit that leads into unity and oneness with the Father and the Son.

      There is one body and one spirit— just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call— one lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM – Ephesians 4:5

      He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is HE WHO BAPTIZES WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.’ – John 1:33

      And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with ONE ACCORD in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing WIND, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of FIRE appeared to them and rested on each one of them. – Acts 2:1-2

      Here we can reference Jesus’ analogy in John 3:8 concerning “wind,” and Matthew 3:11 with “fire” being fulfilled in Acts 2:1-2 and the testament of the one baptism of the Holy Spirit in Ephesians 4:5 as people come into unity of Spirit as an answer to Jesus’ prayer in John 17:20-24.

      The one baptism of being born of Spirit is having a repentant posture of accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour allowing the purifying (“water”) regenerating work of the Holy Spirit to work giving new spiritual birth and life. This sounds a lot like the promise of God in Ezekiel 36:25-27.

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      KingdomCome 17 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      Rich- thank you for your visit and comment. As disciples of Christ we should follow in His foot steps. It is evident that His baptism and His teaching of the gospel of the Kingdom of God is utmost important. I truely hope many more will also follow His example and someday enter His Kingdom.

      Many blessing to you.

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      KingdomCome 17 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

      celafoe- Thank you for your comment. It's amazing what we will find when we study God's word. What I have written in this article I have learned within the past week or two during my studies. I can not express enough how important it is to study as we seek God's Kingdom. In doing so it makes it much easier to identify false doctrine within ma made churches.

      Again, thanks for your comment. God bless.

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      Rich Kelley 17 months ago from The Ekklesia

      When we read the scripture and find a simple answer or principle of the Kingdom of God, you can be sure that man will take the simple and make it full of additional nonsense.

      I often think of Phillip talking to the Eunuch. After they had a discussion for a while the simple question was asked, "there is water, why should I not be baptized"?

      As disciples of Christ we should want to follow in the same footsteps of our Master and do what our Master did. The baptism of repentance is but a first step for the disciple of Christ, may we all take that first step of many.

      Thank you for sharing your findings

      Rich

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      charlie 17 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

      Yes my brother, a great job of explaining the fact that most of what professes to be christianity reject. (the NECESSITY of baptism, water and Spirit)

      thats why we have to correctly understand and , apply scripture. not the

      teachings of apostate men.

      Amen