Yes, I Know About These Scriptures Too!!! And Hell is Still a Hoax!!!
Matt. 24:51, Matt 13:42, Ish 5:14, Ish. 14:15, Matt 10:38, Rev 20:14, John 3:1-7, Rev. 12:10, Matt. 13:30, Matt. 10:33, John 3:16, Mark 9:49, Isaiah 66:24, Rev. 14:11, Matt. 7:23, Mark 16:16, Luke 16:23-31 Rich man and Lazarus. Need I say more?, Joshua 24:15, Romans 1:20, Verse 25, Deuteronomy 6:15, Romans 2:5-6, Isaiah 47:14-15, Jer 6:29-30, Ezekiel 18:28, 2 Peter 2:6 and 9, 2 Peter 3:7, Acts 13:46, James 2:19 , Matthew 8:29, 1 Corinthians 13:5
Love does not seek its own way. (as in christ will not make you do things his way. As in have it your way at Burger King now)
Matt 5:22, 29 and 30, Rev. 20:14, Matt 25:46, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Jude 1:7, Matt. 18:8, 25:41 everlasting fire, Mattt 23:33 damnation of hell, Matt. 13:42, 50 furnace of fire, Matt 25:46 everlasting punishment, Mark 9:43, 45 the fire that shall never be quenched, Luke 16:24 tormented in this flame, Luke 16:28, Matt. 3:11; Luke 3:16, Rev. 20:15, Deu 32:22, Matt 25:41, Matt 25:something, Matthew 13:42, Rev. 20:15, Mark 9:41, Mark 9:45,Mark 9:47, Rev. 19:20, Rev.20:10, Rev. 20:14
For everyone that uses one of the above scriptures against me or any other believer of universal salvation, I say this on our behalf:
In case you aren't aware, I was sighing. As in, oh, another churchy who feels that scriptures contradict. Or, "those scriptures you (I) use are out of context and these show what really happens to non christians".
Out of context??
You people use scriptures out of context, out of proper translation, out of spiritual understanding, and out of mind!!
Perhaps some of you have noticed that many scriptures above are repeated. Well, that's because I just decided to go through and list all of the scriptures each person threw at me and didn't bother to delete those already used. To be fair, some of them were just in their hubs and were used to address all who have the nerve to say their hell does not exist. I've been hit with the same thing over and over. But if I missed some, please inform me. For whenever the words fire, brimstone, nashing of teeth, torment, destruction, judgment, punishment, or wrath are mentioned, it is the hell mongers job to put ". . . . .Christ, the savior of the world" into it's proper context. Oh, and worms. And whatever you do, don't forget the word hell. But don't bother with the word grave because hell teachers just knoooooooooow that the King James translators knew when sheol and hades meant grave and when it meant torcher chamber of fire.
Now, what I did was list the scriptures in order of when I copied them from those hub hell mongers that threw them at me or simply used them in their hubs. And no, I won't list the names of those hubers. That would be wrong. .... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .So I will merrily change their names to protect them from the scrutiny and laughter that anyone with a spiritual brain may wish to fling their way.
The first person to be scrutinized will be uuuuummmm. . . .let's call him Bust All, Si El Joy (As in, I'll call you what ever I want, buddy!!).
This hubber came at me with Matt. 24:51-And shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Yes, it's temporary and gnashing of teeth has nothing to do with burning in fire. In scripture, it takes place when people are extremely upset or angry. But perhaps his next one proves that gnashing of teeth takes place in fire. Matt. 13:42 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Stay tuned for my hub "Fire, Fire: It Burns, It Burns" No, this scripture proves that the fire isn't physical because wailing and gnashing of teeth has nothing to do with being in physical pain. The fire is God's judgment.
How bout a little OT in the tune of Ish. 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their flory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. It means they're gonna die and none of their pride and such will amount to anything more. Ish. 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Ditto!!
Then he jumps back to Matt. 10:38 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. That's Gehenna, by the way. Destruction is necessary for salvation. It's another term for judgment and can take place either in one's physical life, or in the LOF.
Rev. 20:14-And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. It is like a second death. It is the death of the carnal mind. The term for hell here is hades and is the unconscious realm of the dead. Neither this realm nor death will exist again.
Sometimes the hubber will use scriptures that show that people must make choices to receive salvation. This is true. However, most will not make these choices in this life. However, the world of Christiandom assumes (doing this makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me".) that our fate is sealed at death. They are wrong and have no scripture to back up this ass umption. Our next contestant on "Who Wants to Be a Blind Cave Fish is. . . .Sherry Plaid Drawers.
This hubber first uses John 3:1-7 We must be born again in order to inherit the Kingdom of God. And we will be. All of us. Joshua 24:15 Choose this day whom you will serve. You'll be able to choose Chist when He has chosen you.
Rev. 12:10- . . . .for the accurser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them before our God day and night. Looks to be talking about Satan. He'll get his in judgment. Oh, we have more fire: Matt. 13:30 The landowner says, Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up, but gather the wheat into my barn. This scripture uses farming as an example. This spiritual language does not seek to answer every confused churchaholic by pointing out that sinners aren't exactly like tares. It doesn't say that what remains after the burning, is silver and gold to be refined. That would make it too obvious to those who are made blind during their lifetimes (shall I pull out the scriptures concerning those made blind?). Those who are able to read and understand the other scriptues refering to this one, know that there is spiritual gold or wheat under the spiritual tares. But church hellers are not interested in anything that they don't feel backs up their heresy.
Matt. 10:33 Whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven. In other words, not everybody will inherit the Kingdom of God because they weren't chosen to believe the truths at this time. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. That's aionios life and is reserved for the elect. The rest will be saved later. Perish is the same as destruction and refers to the destruction of the carnal mind.
Mark 9:49 For everyone will be salted with fire, and every sacrifice will be salted with salt.It's funny when one makes my point about fire. If a scrifice is salted with salt then it's to make it taste better, as I assume that this takes place after it is cooked. It also preserves and that may be what is being spoken of here. So how does the salt have reference to fire, churchies? Is Satan gonna eat people in hell? Or does it preserve people for more painful burning? I'm surprised that Sherry didn't mention 9:48 which speaks of worms in hell, or in Gehenna depending on whether you're wearing a stinky spiritual diaper as hell believers are in my oppinion. By the way, the worms in Gehenna were actually maggots.
Isaiah 66:24 And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched and they will be loathsome to all mankind. Of course this is not speaking of the future Kingdom age(in previous verses there is mention of sabaths and new moons. These are all religious rituals commanded in the Old Covenant. And the mention of worms in Gehenna and the fact that the fire is not quenched proves the spiritual nature of Gehenna in the NT. The fire will not go out until it has burned up what it's designed to burn up.) , but talking things out of context is always a norm of churchdom. It's amazing how much these people accuse others of something they are most guilty of.
Rev. 14:11 And the fumes of their torment are ascending for the aions of the aions. And they are having no rest day and night, those worshiping the wild beast and its image. Sorry folks, whenever the scriptures aren't written out I will use the Concordant Litteral Translation. It's just a more accurate translation as it's translated from the oldest scrolls available. The first sentence there is talking about both the judgments people go through now and those they will go through in the LOF. The next sentence could also concern both judgments but it is now that man worships the beast. The beast is in every one of us. It most definately isn't Satan. Perhaps you think the beast is like Godzilla and will come out of the ocean some time. Keep watching from the beach, just wear sunscreen.
Matt 7:23 I will say depart From Me, For I never knew you, you workers of iniquity No please, don't leave out the verses before this one. They apply to you and your church folk.
Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not:
- Prophesied in Thy Name (atheists and pagans don’t do this)
- In They Name have cast out devils (atheists and pagans don’t do this)
- And in Thy Name done many wonderful works? (atheists and pagans do nothing in the name of Christ) I already covered this in another hub.
Mark 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved, yet he who disbelieves shall be condemned.While this may not have been an original scripture, it does nothing to promote the hell belief. I've stated what it means to be condemned and I've stated that baptizm is given to the elect so that they can believe the truths. Hell believers are not true believers.
Luke 16:23-31 Rich man and Lazarus. Read my hub "The Rich Man and Lazarus"!!
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.So there are these too pagans lying in some obscure jungle, having little or no knowledge of western traditions. One pagan says to the other "as we gaze at the stars, feel the gental breeze as it flows through the trees under the moonlight and listen to the beautiful sounds of little creatures: What does that tell you? The other says, it tells me that everything had to have been created by God through his Son Christ who died for our sins. To which the first pagan gives a drunken look and says "no you crazy idiot. It means someone has stolen our tent." How in the world is someone without knowledge of the true God going to attribute all that there is to Him? You don't understand that scripture. Now the following scripture 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. applies to you people.
So, why won't people be sad that their family mambers are in hell? . . . . . . .and He shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there shall no longer be any death; there shall no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain, the first things have passed away. Yes, this person actually had the audacity to use this scripture to explain why those saved in heaven won't feel sad or cry because their grandmother or children are burning in hell. Sick!!
Romans 2:5-6 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God.Did you read that? It said righteous judgment. Eternal hell is not righteous anything. It's evil heresy. Judgment will be righteous and will be perfect.
Isaiah 47:14-15 Behold, they have become like stubble, Fire burns them; They cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame; No, the fire must do it's job first. There will be no coal to warm by, nor a fire to sit before, So in other words, this scripture is not talking about physical fire burning anyone. That is all they can do for you--these you have labored with and trafficked with since childhood. Each of them goes on in his error; there is not one that can save you. Not yet!!
Jer 6:29-30 "The bellows blow fiercely, the lead is consumed by the fire; In vain the refining goes on, But the wicked are not separated. They call them rejected silver, Because the LORD has rejected them. No they are not separated during their physical lives. Notice how many continue to experience judgments from God but their heart remains hardened. This is speaking of the physical life. But they are separated during the harvest of the first fruits. Yes, it says the tares are separated for burning. Yeah, see how inconsistent church folk are? On the one hand this hubber points to Jer 6:29 to try and prove some eternal hell crap and then she'll use what I just mentioned in Revelation where they are separated to prove the same crap. Actually, they are separated for judgment in the Lake of Fire which indeed refines them. The silver ain't rejected there.
Ezekial 18:28 All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed; for them he will die. And yet it is church folk who don't believe people ever actually die.
2 Peter 2:6 and 9 And if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly thereafter; then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment. When your sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then you (Jerusalem) shall return to your former estate. (Sodom’s former estate was not in hell, was it?) They too will be saved. 2 Peter 3:7 But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. Fire is of God and is used for righteous judgment and destruction of our carnal natures is absolutely necessary. I should have just said ditto!!
Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you; but seeing ye put it from you, and judge youselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. This is a prime example of the first will be last and the last will be first, proving again that all will eventually be saved.
James 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. This scripture is used to contradict Philippians 2:10-11 which asserts that every knee should bow and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. When in fact it just shows that the demons are unable to bow of their own will at that time. Why would they bow later? If they know who God is now, can't they free will themselves to bow now and avoid eternal hell? Matthew 8:29 The demons named Legion confess, And behold, they cried out, saying, what do we have to do with You, Son of God? They knew Jesus was the Son of God. Where's their free will to repent?
And my favorite 1 Corinthians 13:5 Love does not seek its own way.As in christ will not make you do things his way. As in have it your way at Burger King now. Actually, love is not puffed up or self seeking. It means that love is not self centered but self sacrificing.
Well, that's all for. . . .um. . .Sherry plaid Drawers. Next we move on to. . .let's call him "Rape Berries"
Well Rape uses Matt 5:22 Yet I am saying to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to the judging. . . . . . .saying Raka!! shall be liable to the Sanhedrin. Yet whoever may be saying, Stupid! shall be liable to the Gehenna of fire. They're all the same judgment whether in this life or the next. Gehenna fire is a symbol for judgment. And let's remeber, to be a brother one must be of the same spiriual mind. So calling a spiritually blind person a fool does not carry the same weight as calling one chosen of God a fool. Boy, that Mr. T. is gonna have lot's of splainen to do. "I pitty the fool". I get the next one a lot. Matt. 29 and 30 Now, if your right eye is snaring you, wrench it out and cast it from you, for it is expedient for you that one of your members should perish and not your whole body be cast into Gehenna. And if your right hand is snaring you, strike it off and cast it from you, for it is expedient for you that one of your members should perish and not your whole body pass away into Gehenna.So I will assume that Rape has cut off his hands and gouged out his eyes by now. I've said many times that sins are committed from the heart (mind) so obviously these scriptures are talking about casting out our sinful natures to aviod judgment. Problem is, we can't do this if we are not given the desire to do it. And notice that the Concordant uses "perish" to describe what must happen to these sinful components. Perish is the same as to be destroyed. That must happen to our carnal natures before our gold is refined.
We already saw Rev. 20:14 used. I explained what death and hell are. But what about the previous verse? And they were condemned, each in accord with their acts. In other words, many stripes as opposed to fewer stripes. Well, how do the hellers answer to that one. I guess they think the temperature is turned up for those who's sins are greater. What they don't see is that an eternity of any punishment would contradict that very scripure. So punishment must have an end. I still can't believe that folks are falling for that "digging to hell" hoax. If it were true, then those they heard screaming in 2000 degree temperatures were the ones receiving fewer stripes. The many stripes would be at the center of the earth.
Matt. 25:46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian (not eternity), yet the just into life eonian. One of the biggest arguments for using the word eternity is insisting that if those judged aren't chastened forever then the saved won't live forever. What they don't get is this scripture only speaks of the Kingdom Age. It's talking about the reign of Christ. Once Christ has put all enemies under His feet, He will turn the kingdom over to the Father. At this point all are given immortality. It's in the scriptures. The just will live forever. But the reign in Christ's kingdom is not eternal. Neither is chastening of the unjust.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 . . . . .who shall incur the justice of eonian extermination from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of His strength--whenever He may be coming to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all who believe in that day. Which day? That day. Not all future days (or after the ages). Just that day. Again, justice is not burning people for eternity. And what does it mean to exterminate from the face of the Lord? I thought that judgment took place in the presence of the Lamb. Well, since Christ and His elect will do the judging, He must be present. But read the words. It says exterminated from the "face" of the Lord. The judged will not be able to see the Lord for who He Is at first. Nor will the judged see or experience His glory at first. It's a process folks. But that scripture is used by hellers to dismiss the fire and just call hell seperation from god. That too is unscriptural. Also Jude 1:7 . . . .experiencing the justice of fire eonian. Ditto!! And ditto concerning Sodom and Gomorrah.
The next contestant on duuuuuuuuuhhh TV will go by the name of. . .. . . .oh this could be rude, but. . .. ."Stink Around (part of the body, rhymes with it). I'll refer to him as Stink. The first scripture of Stink is Matt. 18:8. Already explained that one. Ah, here's a fresh one: Matt. 25:41 Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, Go from Me, you cursed into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers. The messengers are people (Possibly angels too). And there are a lot of them and they include the many called. But this is no different than the other scriptures you people misunderstand. Fire is a good thing. It destroys the bad and purifies the good. And it ain't literal fire you blindies. Matt 23:33 Serpents! Progeny of Vipers! How may you be fleeing from the judging of Gehenna? Wow Jesus, You're a little hard on them, aren't You? (NOT!!) Actually, the church of today is far worse. Any how, those vipers will learn the truths in the LOF and be saved. Matt 25:46 . .. .and they shall be casting them into a furnace of fire. There shall be lamentation and gnashing of teeth. Much like gold and silver are described in scripture, this furnace of fire will do the trick. And there's that lamentation and gnashing of teeth again. Gotta wonder where the screaming in agony is. This hubber used 25:46 but I already answered that one. Mark 9:43 and 45 And if your hand should ever be snaring you, strike it off.. It is ideal to be entering into life maimed, rather than, having two hands, to come away inGehenna, into the unextinguished fire where their worm is not deceasing and the fire is not going out. And if your foot. . . .(same as in Matthew). While I went through the parallels in Matthew I should ask, are these hellers acually believing that people that loose body parts in this life enter into the next life crippled? It says entering into life so it's either talking about our spiritual life here on earth or that in the Kingdom of God. And if it's talking about now, would removing our hands remove our lust to use them sinfully? Probably not. And besides, anyone that does such a thing is such a lunitic that their judgment will be greatly increased for hacking off their body parts. This is symbolic language and Gehenna can't be quenched because the fire must burn itself out by completing it's job. And there's those worms again. Lot's of worms and maggots in a trash dump (the part not burning). Oh, and finally, the Rich Man and Lazarus Parable. Read the hub!!
The next hell teacher will be refered to as WuzzUp. WuzzUp likes to post stories and annalogies of people being taken to hell with Satan at the helm. Sorta makes ya wonder whether Satan is going to be punished at all. He first uses Matt 3:10 Every tree, then, which is not producing ideal fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire. Again, literal trees do not improve with fire. It's the same as with the literal tares. There is no wheat in the middle. So tares and non fruit baring trees must be destroyed. Sinners are neither bad trees nor tares. They do have like attributes that must be burned out though. If the scriptures were to say, "but once the tares and non fruit baring trees are burned, you'd then notice gold and silver ready for refining, nobody would be blinded to the truth of universal salvation. The scriptures were not written for the spiritually blind to comprehend them. By the way, WuzzUp? Why did you list Luke 3:16 as an example of hell teaching? Yeah, I know you meant it as a paralel to Matt. 3:11 but I credited you with 3:12 because 3:11 doesn't speak of fire or destruction. But Luke 3:16 does mention fire. He will be baptizing you in holy spirit and fire. Well, my job is done. WuzzUp just proved for us what fire is used for. Thank you!! It baptizes. And then WuzzUp uses Rev. 20:15 concerning those cast into the LOF. First he gives us a scripture explaining that God's fire baptizes people with the holy spirit and then he gives us the scripture where people are to be refined by fire. Good job!!
The next guy doesn't use many scriptures to try and prove hell. He just quotes scriptures on people's hubs that do nothing to support his hellatious beliefs. I shall call him, "Get Bent". The only hell scripture I see from him that hasn't been used is Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. The only thing Bent accomplished with that scripture is to show an example (the only example) of where Sheol is used with fire. Only idiots think that hell is a proper translation of Sheol. Actually, only spiritual morons believe in the hell of Christiandom at all. Now this is very figurative language. Sheol must symbolize the lowest spiritual condition of a person. It is used figuratively in this way in other places. Basically, it's just a scripture that Bent is clueless about so he just throws it out because it sounds scary. Which it is, because God is not to be taken lightly. But the doctrine of hell is absolutely false.
And finally, a few hells from IlliterateonThis. Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. So Mrs. Illiterate would probably interpret this to mean: So the 7 headed monster was harpooned, thrown into hell with the president of Psychic Hotline where they are set on fire with some brimstone to eat away at their skin. .
The beast is in all of us and the false prophet represents every circus act that takes place in those Sunday tongue speaking extravaganzas. Yeah, there's more to it than that but it's a start. Well, the rest of Illiterate's scriptures were used by one of the false prophets listed above, so we will end it there.
It's such a shame that so many of my oppenents have provided nothing in the way of scripture for their hell beliefs. Perhaps they feel that they are focusing on God's love and not on the punishment. Well guess what folks, the chastening or judgment is a big part of God's love. All must experience judgment and all will experience salvation. And by believing as you hellers believe, you deny God's love to begin with. But what happened to the likes of (more fictitious names) Virus Inspector, ShakeNBake, Jim Beam, ect. I looked through their hell hubs and comments and found nothing to scrutinize here. Just the same ole "You think that sinners just get a free ride to heaven, or them near death experiences where people visit hell, or you is the devil, yadayadayada. It's always the same. They have no argument to back up their heresy. But they act as if universalists are not aware of those scriptures that they think proves the doctrine of hell. Well, which scriptures are those. I just listed about 20 of them and showed that they do not describe what you think they describe. So as far as the eternal torment scriptures are concerned, you guys are still batting a giant goose egg. Please submit scriptures that aren't already listed above to prove your hell crap. But don't waste my time with "they shall be turned into hell. . . . . .. .. .", . You'll probably notice how many bible verses have had the hell sucked right out of them in my other hubs. But no matter how mad and red in the face you get, you cannot put the dispicable doctrine of hell back into the scriptures once their true meanings have been shown.