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Yes, I Know About These Scriptures Too!!! And Hell is Still a Hoax!!!

Updated on July 10, 2009

Matt. 24:51, Matt 13:42, Ish 5:14, Ish. 14:15, Matt 10:38, Rev 20:14, John 3:1-7, Rev. 12:10, Matt. 13:30, Matt. 10:33, John 3:16, Mark 9:49, Isaiah 66:24, Rev. 14:11, Matt. 7:23, Mark 16:16, Luke 16:23-31 Rich man and Lazarus. Need I say more?, Joshua 24:15, Romans 1:20, Verse 25, Deuteronomy 6:15, Romans 2:5-6, Isaiah 47:14-15, Jer 6:29-30, Ezekiel 18:28, 2 Peter 2:6 and 9, 2 Peter 3:7, Acts 13:46, James 2:19 , Matthew 8:29, 1 Corinthians 13:5

Love does not seek its own way. (as in christ will not make you do things his way. As in have it your way at Burger King now)

Matt 5:22, 29 and 30, Rev. 20:14, Matt 25:46, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Jude 1:7, Matt. 18:8, 25:41 everlasting fire, Mattt 23:33 damnation of hell, Matt. 13:42, 50 furnace of fire, Matt 25:46 everlasting punishment, Mark 9:43, 45 the fire that shall never be quenched, Luke 16:24 tormented in this flame, Luke 16:28, Matt. 3:11; Luke 3:16, Rev. 20:15, Deu 32:22, Matt 25:41, Matt 25:something, Matthew 13:42, Rev. 20:15, Mark 9:41, Mark 9:45,Mark 9:47, Rev. 19:20, Rev.20:10, Rev. 20:14

For everyone that uses one of the above scriptures against me or any other believer of universal salvation, I say this on our behalf:


In case you aren't aware, I was sighing. As in, oh, another churchy who feels that scriptures contradict. Or, "those scriptures you (I) use are out of context and these show what really happens to non christians".

Out of context??

You people use scriptures out of context, out of proper translation, out of spiritual understanding, and out of mind!!

Perhaps some of you have noticed that many scriptures above are repeated. Well, that's because I just decided to go through and list all of the scriptures each person threw at me and didn't bother to delete those already used. To be fair, some of them were just in their hubs and were used to address all who have the nerve to say their hell does not exist. I've been hit with the same thing over and over. But if I missed some, please inform me. For whenever the words fire, brimstone, nashing of teeth, torment, destruction, judgment, punishment, or wrath are mentioned, it is the hell mongers job to put ". . . . .Christ, the savior of the world" into it's proper context. Oh, and worms.  And whatever you do, don't forget the word hell. But don't bother with the word grave because hell teachers just knoooooooooow that the King James translators knew when sheol and hades meant grave and when it meant torcher chamber of fire.

Now, what I did was list the scriptures in order of when I copied them from those hub hell mongers that threw them at me or simply used them in their hubs. And no, I won't list the names of those hubers. That would be wrong. .... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .So I will merrily change their names to protect them from the scrutiny and laughter that anyone with a spiritual brain may wish to fling their way.

The first person to be scrutinized will be uuuuummmm. . . .let's call him Bust All, Si El Joy (As in, I'll call you what ever I want, buddy!!).

This hubber came at me with Matt. 24:51-And shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Yes, it's temporary and gnashing of teeth has nothing to do with burning in fire. In scripture, it takes place when people are extremely upset or angry. But perhaps his next one proves that gnashing of teeth takes place in fire. Matt. 13:42 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Stay tuned for my hub "Fire, Fire: It Burns, It Burns" No, this scripture proves that the fire isn't physical because wailing and gnashing of teeth has nothing to do with being in physical pain. The fire is God's judgment.

How bout a little OT in the tune of Ish. 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their flory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. It means they're gonna die and none of their pride and such will amount to anything more. Ish. 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Ditto!!

Then he jumps back to Matt. 10:38 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. That's Gehenna, by the way. Destruction is necessary for salvation. It's another term for judgment and can take place either in one's physical life, or in the LOF.

Rev. 20:14-And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. It is like a second death. It is the death of the carnal mind. The term for hell here is hades and is the unconscious realm of the dead. Neither this realm nor death will exist again.

Sometimes the hubber will use scriptures that show that people must make choices to receive salvation. This is true. However, most will not make these choices in this life. However, the world of Christiandom assumes (doing this makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me".) that our fate is sealed at death. They are wrong and have no scripture to back up this ass umption. Our next contestant on "Who Wants to Be a Blind Cave Fish is. . . .Sherry Plaid Drawers.

This hubber first uses John 3:1-7 We must be born again in order to inherit the Kingdom of God. And we will be. All of us. Joshua 24:15 Choose this day whom you will serve. You'll be able to choose Chist when He has chosen you.

Rev. 12:10- . . . .for the accurser of our brethren has been thrown down, who accuses them before our God day and night. Looks to be talking about Satan. He'll get his in judgment. Oh, we have more fire: Matt. 13:30 The landowner says, Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up, but gather the wheat into my barn. This scripture uses farming as an example. This spiritual language does not seek to answer every confused churchaholic by pointing out that sinners aren't exactly like tares. It doesn't say that what remains after the burning, is silver and gold to be refined. That would make it too obvious to those who are made blind during their lifetimes (shall I pull out the scriptures concerning those made blind?). Those who are able to read and understand the other scriptues refering to this one, know that there is spiritual gold or wheat under the spiritual tares. But church hellers are not interested in anything that they don't feel backs up their heresy.

Matt. 10:33 Whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven. In other words, not everybody will inherit the Kingdom of God because they weren't chosen to believe the truths at this time. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. That's aionios life and is reserved for the elect. The rest will be saved later. Perish is the same as destruction and refers to the destruction of the carnal mind.

Mark 9:49 For everyone will be salted with fire, and every sacrifice will be salted with salt.It's funny when one makes my point about fire. If a scrifice is salted with salt then it's to make it taste better, as I assume that this takes place after it is cooked. It also preserves and that may be what is being spoken of here. So how does the salt have reference to fire, churchies? Is Satan gonna eat people in hell? Or does it preserve people for more painful burning? I'm surprised that Sherry didn't mention 9:48 which speaks of worms in hell, or in Gehenna depending on whether you're wearing a stinky spiritual diaper as hell believers are in my oppinion. By the way, the worms in Gehenna were actually maggots.

Isaiah 66:24 And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched and they will be loathsome to all mankind. Of course this is not speaking of the future Kingdom age(in previous verses there is mention of sabaths and new moons. These are all religious rituals commanded in the Old Covenant. And the mention of worms in Gehenna and the fact that the fire is not quenched proves the spiritual nature of Gehenna in the NT. The fire will not go out until it has burned up what it's designed to burn up.) , but talking things out of context is always a norm of churchdom. It's amazing how much these people accuse others of something they are most guilty of.

Rev. 14:11 And the fumes of their torment are ascending for the aions of the aions. And they are having no rest day and night, those worshiping the wild beast and its image. Sorry folks, whenever the scriptures aren't written out I will use the Concordant Litteral Translation. It's just a more accurate translation as it's translated from the oldest scrolls available. The first sentence there is talking about both the judgments people go through now and those they will go through in the LOF. The next sentence could also concern both judgments but it is now that man worships the beast. The beast is in every one of us. It most definately isn't Satan. Perhaps you think the beast is like Godzilla and will come out of the ocean some time. Keep watching from the beach, just wear sunscreen.

Matt 7:23 I will say depart From Me, For I never knew you, you workers of iniquity No please, don't leave out the verses before this one. They apply to you and your church folk.

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not:

  1. Prophesied in Thy Name (atheists and pagans don’t do this)
  2. In They Name have cast out devils (atheists and pagans don’t do this)
  3. And in Thy Name done many wonderful works? (atheists and pagans do nothing in the name of Christ) I already covered this in another hub.

Mark 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved, yet he who disbelieves shall be condemned.While this may not have been an original scripture, it does nothing to promote the hell belief. I've stated what it means to be condemned and I've stated that baptizm is given to the elect so that they can believe the truths. Hell believers are not true believers.

Luke 16:23-31 Rich man and Lazarus. Read my hub "The Rich Man and Lazarus"!!

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.So there are these too pagans lying in some obscure jungle, having little or no knowledge of western traditions. One pagan says to the other "as we gaze at the stars, feel the gental breeze as it flows through the trees under the moonlight and listen to the beautiful sounds of little creatures: What does that tell you? The other says, it tells me that everything had to have been created by God through his Son Christ who died for our sins. To which the first pagan gives a drunken look and says "no you crazy idiot. It means someone has stolen our tent." How in the world is someone without knowledge of the true God going to attribute all that there is to Him? You don't understand that scripture. Now the following scripture 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. applies to you people.

So, why won't people be sad that their family mambers are in hell? . . . . . . .and He shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there shall no longer be any death; there shall no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain, the first things have passed away. Yes, this person actually had the audacity to use this scripture to explain why those saved in heaven won't feel sad or cry because their grandmother or children are burning in hell. Sick!!

Romans 2:5-6 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God.Did you read that? It said righteous judgment. Eternal hell is not righteous anything. It's evil heresy. Judgment will be righteous and will be perfect.

Isaiah 47:14-15 Behold, they have become like stubble, Fire burns them; They cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame; No, the fire must do it's job first. There will be no coal to warm by, nor a fire to sit before, So in other words, this scripture is not talking about physical fire burning anyone. That is all they can do for you--these you have labored with and trafficked with since childhood. Each of them goes on in his error; there is not one that can save you. Not yet!!

Jer 6:29-30 "The bellows blow fiercely, the lead is consumed by the fire; In vain the refining goes on, But the wicked are not separated. They call them rejected silver, Because the LORD has rejected them. No they are not separated during their physical lives. Notice how many continue to experience judgments from God but their heart remains hardened. This is speaking of the physical life. But they are separated during the harvest of the first fruits. Yes, it says the tares are separated for burning. Yeah, see how inconsistent church folk are? On the one hand this hubber points to Jer 6:29 to try and prove some eternal hell crap and then she'll use what I just mentioned in Revelation where they are separated to prove the same crap. Actually, they are separated for judgment in the Lake of Fire which indeed refines them. The silver ain't rejected there.

Ezekial 18:28 All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed; for them he will die. And yet it is church folk who don't believe people ever actually die.

2 Peter 2:6 and 9 And if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly thereafter; then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment. When your sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then you (Jerusalem) shall return to your former estate. (Sodom’s former estate was not in hell, was it?) They too will be saved. 2 Peter 3:7 But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. Fire is of God and is used for righteous judgment and destruction of our carnal natures is absolutely necessary. I should have just said ditto!!

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you; but seeing ye put it from you, and judge youselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. This is a prime example of the first will be last and the last will be first, proving again that all will eventually be saved.

James 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. This scripture is used to contradict Philippians 2:10-11 which asserts that every knee should bow and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. When in fact it just shows that the demons are unable to bow of their own will at that time. Why would they bow later? If they know who God is now, can't they free will themselves to bow now and avoid eternal hell? Matthew 8:29 The demons named Legion confess, And behold, they cried out, saying, what do we have to do with You, Son of God? They knew Jesus was the Son of God. Where's their free will to repent?

And my favorite 1 Corinthians 13:5 Love does not seek its own way.As in christ will not make you do things his way. As in have it your way at Burger King now. Actually, love is not puffed up or self seeking. It means that love is not self centered but self sacrificing.

Well, that's all for. . . .um. . .Sherry plaid Drawers. Next we move on to. . .let's call him "Rape Berries"

Well Rape uses Matt 5:22 Yet I am saying to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to the judging. . . . . . .saying Raka!! shall be liable to the Sanhedrin. Yet whoever may be saying, Stupid! shall be liable to the Gehenna of fire. They're all the same judgment whether in this life or the next. Gehenna fire is a symbol for judgment. And let's remeber, to be a brother one must be of the same spiriual mind. So calling a spiritually blind person a fool does not carry the same weight as calling one chosen of God a fool. Boy, that Mr. T. is gonna have lot's of splainen to do. "I pitty the fool". I get the next one a lot. Matt. 29 and 30 Now, if your right eye is snaring you, wrench it out and cast it from you, for it is expedient for you that one of your members should perish and not your whole body be cast into Gehenna. And if your right hand is snaring you, strike it off and cast it from you, for it is expedient for you that one of your members should perish and not your whole body pass away into Gehenna.So I will assume that Rape has cut off his hands and gouged out his eyes by now. I've said many times that sins are committed from the heart (mind) so obviously these scriptures are talking about casting out our sinful natures to aviod judgment. Problem is, we can't do this if we are not given the desire to do it. And notice that the Concordant uses "perish" to describe what must happen to these sinful components. Perish is the same as to be destroyed. That must happen to our carnal natures before our gold is refined.

We already saw Rev. 20:14 used. I explained what death and hell are. But what about the previous verse? And they were condemned, each in accord with their acts. In other words, many stripes as opposed to fewer stripes. Well, how do the hellers answer to that one. I guess they think the temperature is turned up for those who's sins are greater. What they don't see is that an eternity of any punishment would contradict that very scripure. So punishment must have an end. I still can't believe that folks are falling for that "digging to hell" hoax. If it were true, then those they heard screaming in 2000 degree temperatures were the ones receiving fewer stripes. The many stripes would be at the center of the earth.

Matt. 25:46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian (not eternity), yet the just into life eonian. One of the biggest arguments for using the word eternity is insisting that if those judged aren't chastened forever then the saved won't live forever. What they don't get is this scripture only speaks of the Kingdom Age. It's talking about the reign of Christ. Once Christ has put all enemies under His feet, He will turn the kingdom over to the Father. At this point all are given immortality. It's in the scriptures. The just will live forever. But the reign in Christ's kingdom is not eternal. Neither is chastening of the unjust.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 . . . . .who shall incur the justice of eonian extermination from the face of the Lord, and from the glory of His strength--whenever He may be coming to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all who believe in that day. Which day? That day. Not all future days (or after the ages). Just that day. Again, justice is not burning people for eternity. And what does it mean to exterminate from the face of the Lord? I thought that judgment took place in the presence of the Lamb. Well, since Christ and His elect will do the judging, He must be present. But read the words. It says exterminated from the "face" of the Lord. The judged will not be able to see the Lord for who He Is at first. Nor will the judged see or experience His glory at first. It's a process folks. But that scripture is used by hellers to dismiss the fire and just call hell seperation from god. That too is unscriptural. Also Jude 1:7 . . . .experiencing the justice of fire eonian. Ditto!! And ditto concerning Sodom and Gomorrah.

The next contestant on duuuuuuuuuhhh TV will go by the name of. . .. . . .oh this could be rude, but. . .. ."Stink Around (part of the body, rhymes with it). I'll refer to him as Stink. The first scripture of Stink is Matt. 18:8. Already explained that one. Ah, here's a fresh one: Matt. 25:41 Then shall He be declaring to those also at His left, Go from Me, you cursed into the fire eonian, made ready for the Adversary and his messengers. The messengers are people (Possibly angels too). And there are a lot of them and they include the many called. But this is no different than the other scriptures you people misunderstand. Fire is a good thing. It destroys the bad and purifies the good. And it ain't literal fire you blindies. Matt 23:33 Serpents! Progeny of Vipers! How may you be fleeing from the judging of Gehenna? Wow Jesus, You're a little hard on them, aren't You? (NOT!!) Actually, the church of today is far worse. Any how, those vipers will learn the truths in the LOF and be saved. Matt 25:46 . .. .and they shall be casting them into a furnace of fire. There shall be lamentation and gnashing of teeth. Much like gold and silver are described in scripture, this furnace of fire will do the trick. And there's that lamentation and gnashing of teeth again. Gotta wonder where the screaming in agony is. This hubber used 25:46 but I already answered that one. Mark 9:43 and 45 And if your hand should ever be snaring you, strike it off.. It is ideal to be entering into life maimed, rather than, having two hands, to come away inGehenna, into the unextinguished fire where their worm is not deceasing and the fire is not going out. And if your foot. . . .(same as in Matthew). While I went through the parallels in Matthew I should ask, are these hellers acually believing that people that loose body parts in this life enter into the next life crippled? It says entering into life so it's either talking about our spiritual life here on earth or that in the Kingdom of God. And if it's talking about now, would removing our hands remove our lust to use them sinfully? Probably not. And besides, anyone that does such a thing is such a lunitic that their judgment will be greatly increased for hacking off their body parts. This is symbolic language and Gehenna can't be quenched because the fire must burn itself out by completing it's job. And there's those worms again. Lot's of worms and maggots in a trash dump (the part not burning). Oh, and finally, the Rich Man and Lazarus Parable. Read the hub!!

The next hell teacher will be refered to as WuzzUp. WuzzUp likes to post stories and annalogies of people being taken to hell with Satan at the helm. Sorta makes ya wonder whether Satan is going to be punished at all. He first uses Matt 3:10 Every tree, then, which is not producing ideal fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire. Again, literal trees do not improve with fire. It's the same as with the literal tares. There is no wheat in the middle. So tares and non fruit baring trees must be destroyed. Sinners are neither bad trees nor tares. They do have like attributes that must be burned out though. If the scriptures were to say, "but once the tares and non fruit baring trees are burned, you'd then notice gold and silver ready for refining, nobody would be blinded to the truth of universal salvation. The scriptures were not written for the spiritually blind to comprehend them. By the way, WuzzUp? Why did you list Luke 3:16 as an example of hell teaching? Yeah, I know you meant it as a paralel to Matt. 3:11 but I credited you with 3:12 because 3:11 doesn't speak of fire or destruction. But Luke 3:16 does mention fire. He will be baptizing you in holy spirit and fire. Well, my job is done. WuzzUp just proved for us what fire is used for. Thank you!! It baptizes. And then WuzzUp uses Rev. 20:15 concerning those cast into the LOF. First he gives us a scripture explaining that God's fire baptizes people with the holy spirit and then he gives us the scripture where people are to be refined by fire. Good job!!

The next guy doesn't use many scriptures to try and prove hell. He just quotes scriptures on people's hubs that do nothing to support his hellatious beliefs. I shall call him, "Get Bent". The only hell scripture I see from him that hasn't been used is Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. The only thing Bent accomplished with that scripture is to show an example (the only example) of where Sheol is used with fire. Only idiots think that hell is a proper translation of Sheol. Actually, only spiritual morons believe in the hell of Christiandom at all. Now this is very figurative language. Sheol must symbolize the lowest spiritual condition of a person. It is used figuratively in this way in other places. Basically, it's just a scripture that Bent is clueless about so he just throws it out because it sounds scary. Which it is, because God is not to be taken lightly. But the doctrine of hell is absolutely false.

And finally, a few hells from IlliterateonThis. Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. So Mrs. Illiterate would probably interpret this to mean: So the 7 headed monster was harpooned, thrown into hell with the president of Psychic Hotline where they are set on fire with some brimstone to eat away at their skin. .

The beast is in all of us and the false prophet represents every circus act that takes place in those Sunday tongue speaking extravaganzas. Yeah, there's more to it than that but it's a start. Well, the rest of Illiterate's scriptures were used by one of the false prophets listed above, so we will end it there.

It's such a shame that so many of my oppenents have provided nothing in the way of scripture for their hell beliefs. Perhaps they feel that they are focusing on God's love and not on the punishment. Well guess what folks, the chastening or judgment is a big part of God's love. All must experience judgment and all will experience salvation. And by believing as you hellers believe, you deny God's love to begin with. But what happened to the likes of (more fictitious names) Virus Inspector, ShakeNBake, Jim Beam, ect. I looked through their hell hubs and comments and found nothing to scrutinize here. Just the same ole "You think that sinners just get a free ride to heaven, or them near death experiences where people visit hell, or you is the devil, yadayadayada. It's always the same. They have no argument to back up their heresy. But they act as if universalists are not aware of those scriptures that they think proves the doctrine of hell. Well, which scriptures are those. I just listed about 20 of them and showed that they do not describe what you think they describe. So as far as the eternal torment scriptures are concerned, you guys are still batting a giant goose egg. Please submit scriptures that aren't already listed above to prove your hell crap. But don't waste my time with "they shall be turned into hell. . . . .  ..   .. .", . You'll probably notice how many bible verses have had the hell sucked right out of them in my other hubs. But no matter how mad and red in the face you get, you cannot put the dispicable doctrine of hell back into the scriptures once their true meanings have been shown.


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      Hell N0 7 years ago

      Oh "Me", are you giving me a physics lesson? And what does any of that have to do with whether hell exists? And how da "%$*&#" does energy never ceasing prove that people go to heaven or hell? The doctrine is the worst hoax ever. If we are talking about energy why not discuss the 2nd law of thermo dynamics. Eventually, the heat in the universe will cool, doing away with your idiot eternal hell. It's high time psudo intelecthellers use their brain before they compare idiot church doctrines to Einstein physics. And ask God for some spiritual sense because you obviously don't have any common sense. You appear to be about as dim as a gimp firefly.

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      Me 7 years ago

      "Oh ye of little faith, vearily I say unto you." If the bible does not suit you for an explanation to the question of; is there life after death. Then maybe this will explain it to you, scientifically. Einstein says that, "energy can niether be created nor destroyed, if it ceases in one place, it has to exist in another. We are forms of energy, and where our souls go; depends on the positive or negitive impacts through the events in our lives. Because of science, we know this to be true. For anybody who does not believe in the heaven or hell concept. Know that an existence after death on Earth, is very true. Some people's spirit will be brighter than others; just like some will be dimmer.

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      afro's mistake 8 years ago from dorothys kansas

      lol interesting.

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      Hell N0 8 years ago

      Read this AM. It will answer your question in simple terms.

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      Hell N0 8 years ago

      Here's why free will is not scriptural. In fact, there is not a single scripture that backs up the notion of free will.

      Jerr 10:23

      . . .. .I know that the way of man is not in himself, it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

      Jer. 13-23

      Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil?

      Rom. 3:11

      Not one is seeking out God.

      Rom 2:4

      :the goodness of God leads you to repentance:

      John 15:16

      Ye hanve not chosen me, but I have chosen you.

      Jonh 6:44

      No one can come to Me if ever the Father Who sends Me should not be drawing (dragging) him.

      Eph. 1:4

      He (God) chooses us in Him (Christ)

      Rom. 11:7

      What Israel is seeking for, this she did not encounter, yet the chosen encountered it. Now the rest were calloused.

      Rom 11:8

      God gives them a spirit of stupor, eyes not to be observing, and ears not to be hearing, till this very day.

      Psa 76:10

      Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee , the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain.

      Phil. 13

      For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

      Rom 12:4

      God parts to each the measure of faith

      James 1:17

      Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of light, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning

      Ecc. 3:11

      He has made every thing beautiful in His time: also He set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God makes from the geginning to end (KJ)

      He has made everything fitting in its season; However, He has put concealment (obscurity mystery) in their heart so that the man may not find out his word, that which God does (Concordant)

      Rom. 9:19-24

      You will be protesting to me, then, Why, then is He still blaming? For who has withstood His intention? (everyone has withstood His will, but nobody has withstood His intention). . . .Wy do you make me thus? Or has not the potter the right over the clay, out of the same kneading to make one vessel, indeed, for honor, yet one fo dishonor?. . . .the vessels of indignation, adapted for destruction, it is the H should also be making known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy. (Concordant Literal Translation)

      Acts 13, 47-48

      For this is what the Lord has commanded us: I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth. When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord, and all who were appointed for eternal (eionian) life believed.

      Pro. 16:9 The mind of man plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.

      Ecc. 1:15

      If something is crooked, it can’t be made straight: if something isn’t there, it can’t be counted


      Whatever exists has already been named, and what man is has been known, no man can contend with one who is stronger than he.

      Isa. 55:11

      So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

      Pr 20:24 Man’s steps are ordained by the Lord, how then can man understand his way?

      Job 14:16

      For now thou numberest my steps dost thou not watch over my sin?

      Job 32:8

      But it is the spirit in man, the breath of the Almighty, that makes him understand.

      “Then began He to upbraid the cities wherin most of the mighty works were done, because they repented not. Woe unto you, Chorazin! Who unto you, Bethsaide! For if the mighty works (not some free will), which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

      But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, (Judgment, not hell) than for you. And you, Capernaum, which art exalted into heaven shall be broght down to hee (hades). (Similar to the Lucifer hoax where he is thrown out of heaven. Again, heaven is not a place.

      Rom 8:2

      For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus have made me free from the law of sin and death

      1 Cor. 2:14

      But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

      Ezek. 14:9

      And if the prophet be deceived when he has spoken a thing. I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

      Ecc. 7:13

      Think of what God has done! If God makes something crooked, can you make it straight?

      Ex 4:11

      And the Lord said unto him, who hath made man’s mouth? Or who maketh the dumb, or deaf or the seeing or the blind? Have not I the Lord?

      Rom. 9:18, 21

      Therefore hath He mercy on whom he will hath mercy, and who He will hardened. . . . . . .Hath not the Potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

      Isa 45:7

      I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things

      And hundreds more. There is not one scripture that even hints that we have a free will.

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      afro's mistake 8 years ago from dorothys kansas

      lol i like the way you handled your response. i appreciate your attempt to make it seem as if you didnt insult me. now lets make this conversation take a different turn. anyone who was reading our hubs would think we're being foolish and just simply stubborn fools who keep argue-in so instead of me yelling that your wrong and you yelling that im wrong, why dont you just explain to me why you believe some of the things you believ(yes lets make it seem as if i am the student and your the teacher) first question i would like answered(without insults of course) is where did you get the idea that we dont have free will? and if we dont what is exactly the point for God punishing our sins(even if theres not a hell) if we dont hAve the free will to stop ourselves from committing(or not commiting) our sins?

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      Hell N0 8 years ago

      AM, good to hear from you. No, I don't believe that you want to kill your sister or that you are a homosexual. What I was doing was answering a foolish comment with a foolish answer. It was to inspire thought over causes of one's actions. Often we universalists hear the same arguments from well meaning christians who say such things as, "why not just sin away, because there's no hell anyway". First of all there is judgment and even severe judgment for even thinking or wanting to do such things. I'll tell you why I don't go raping and murduring people right now. It's because I have no desire to do this because God didn't create me to have those desires. We are all kept in check by our judicial systems also. But what if they wouldn't find out anyway. I would probably speed more and I wouldn't wait at some ridiculous traffic light with no cars comming. But steal, rape, murder? God hasn't allowed circumstances in my life to influence such thoughts. But Bin Laden has been. He never had a free will because a free will is impossible to have. The scriptures also do not teach that we have a free will. But the scriptures do assert that all will be saved in the end. Bin Laden will repent biterly for his sins in this life. He will be tormented in the Lake of Fire. If you want to know what the Lake of Fire is, feel free to read my other hubs. But even attempting to justify the false teaching of eternal hell will result in severe judgment due to its evil. By the way, I said nothing bad about your dad. I'm sure he's a good guy. But if he's teaching false doctrine, especially about hell, I have no problem with stating it.

      My God open up your true understanding of His greatness.

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      afro's mistake 8 years ago from dorothys kansas

      congradulations!!!!!!! instead of taking your chance to express what a loving christian you are by teaching me the error of my ways through love and diligence you wrongfully, rudefully, (and probably smugly) manage to make it sound like im some kind of homesexuall sister killing fool. any one who read my message would have known i was obviously using similes and metaphors/examples. you also manage to insult my father. you know its strange, because even if im dead wrong, a loser, and some one who needs a reality check, at least with loving arms i tried to explain to you what i thought would be needed for your salvation!! dont you see i was doing for you!! but you know what? even if i was wrong you could have at least appreciated my attempt to do what i thought was best for you. but if i offended you that much you could have just told me. once again, guess i love you?

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      Hell N0 8 years ago

      Wow afro, I'm sorry that you want to kill your sister. Is your fear of some fabled hell the only thing keeping you from doing that. I'm sure ya'll fight a lot but sheesh!! She's still your sister. Does mommy love her more than she loves you or something? Regardless, just thinking such a thing will bring on severe judgment if you do not repent. Of course it will take some judgment from the real God (not the fake torture god of the church, who makes Osama look like Mother Teresa on a good day) for you to even consider repenting of such a horrible idea. And look, if you are a homosexual, just admit it to God. He may change you slowly or allow you to continue in your sins until you are cleansed in the Lake of Fire. By the way, not many teenagers really think about how sick the idea of eternal hell really is. I did a little bit back then, but didn't pay that much attention to it. I'm sure your dad knows a lot of scriptures but if what you say is an indication of what he's taught you, then perhaps he's as spiritually blind as the night.

      By the way, heaven is never called the reward of the believers in the bible. But that is just something else that the church and probably your dad continue to dogmatically preach to this day.

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      afro's mistake 8 years ago from dorothys kansas

      you commented me sending me a link here. i just want you to know that you'll probably always win when it comes to arguing with me no matter whos's right. you want to know why? well as you probably already know i am merely an inarticulate teenage male who knows what he belives to be true but doesnt have a resourceful knowledge of the

      scriptures to back it up unlike my father. but i just want you to know that i love you and that you're like the homosexuals who say that the bible and god are fullof love and dont condeme homosexuals. and while its true God is full of love the bible obviously dislikes and even warns against homosexuality. the same goes for hell infact it even devotes whole scriptures to describing it. but lets say for a moment you are right and there is no hell. if so than why would i even want to go to heaven? if hell isnt real that means i would be there with the righteous along with the terrible unbelieveing wicked of the sorts like osam bin laden. or do you want kiss his cheek in heaven to? i had meant to end this hub with those tdramatic words but i now realize by the way you speak your line of thought is the belief that we wont be evil in heaven any more because even those like osama bin laden would be born again. first of all the bible says you need to be specifically born again on THIS EARTH to enter heaven not once you reach heaven you will be born again. also if its true we will all go to heaven regardless of what we've done then whats the point of worshiping god on earth? why shouldnt i just up and kill my sister? i mean after all Gods just cool like that so im still going to heaven right?

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      Hell N0 8 years ago

      What Hoowt?? So now you can't even put words into a sequence that makes gramatical sense?

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      HOOWANTSTONO 8 years ago

      So we have the similarities hell isnt that something enjoy what you see.

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      Hell N0 8 years ago

      Hey Hoowt, judging by your mug, the only way I'd be stuck in hell is if you sat on me.

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      HOOWANTSTONO 8 years ago

      Oh ok I can see your short comings and lack here but its ok, seems more like "help me I'm stuck in hell, my mind please help".

      Make another hub and try some direction

      Tried to enjoy this but too many holes and missing truths.

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      Hell N0 8 years ago

      I realize that these things are revealed by God. But evil teachings must be exposed for what they are. Jesus let the scholars of that day hear it without sugar coating anything. And they didn't teach anything nearly as evil as eternal hell.

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      Alan W 8 years ago

      Even though you are correct, you have to remember God reveals these things in His time frame. A lot of your detractors are sincere, they just can't see these things yet.

      Colossians 3:14 Now over all these put on love, which is the tie of maturity.


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      Hell N0 8 years ago

      Thank God for that!!

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      t rafeiro 8 years ago

      No that scripture was directed to the hell mongers ,i believe in the truth that God will be ALL in ALL .Peace

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      Sanctus Vesania 8 years ago

      I thought so, just making sure. =)

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      Hell N0 8 years ago

      It was geared towards t raefero, whether he knows the truth or not. If he does then it was a simple statement I made. If he doesn't, then I was being sarcastic as hell. God bless.

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      Sanctus Vesania 8 years ago

      Was that geared towards me, or t raefero?

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      Hell N0 8 years ago

      Well, haven't I already said that free will is a hoax? Thanx for making another point for me. You da man!!

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      Sanctus Vesania 8 years ago

      Ezekiel 14:9 9And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

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      t rafeiro  8 years ago

      Ezekiel 14:9

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      Sanctus Vesania 8 years ago

      Mary K. Baxter is a false prophet by way. She believes her book "A Divine Revelation of Hell Heaven" will be just as eternal as the Bible. (BLASPHEMY!) She depicts Jesus as a whiny, sobby, man. She states that Hell is Satan's kingdom. (It's NOT!)

      She claims that salvation can be lost.

      Jesus leaves her in Hell for a time, then comes back. Mary herself wrote that even though he restored her, she wanted to get as far away from him as possible. There's something wrong there.

      The visit to Heaven is no better either. She mentions that it is angels and not always Jesus who bring salvation to people.

      If nobody can see what's wrong there, then there's nothing I can do.

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      Hell N0 8 years ago

      Whom, Jesus never uttered any word backing the idiotic doctrine of eternal hell. Read my hubs and get your head out of the sand.

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      Susan 8 years ago from USA

      You are wrong. Hell IS real. Jesus spoke frequently of it. Listen to these people speak. I believe them--I hope you do too. And NO hell is not a man made tradition. Nor is Jesus Christ anyone's imagination. Of course I know Satan is quite pleased that you don't believe--He will attempt to keep your mind shut and your heart hardened until he gets you where he wants you. will be too late to change your mind.

      Mary K Baxter

      and Bill Weiss





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      jacobbsladdr 8 years ago from Washington DC/Northern VA

      What makes anyone think that you need to be part of a "religion" ?

      This is a man-made tradition not rooted in Scripture. Those who understand Scriptures belong to the Body of Christ not a religion. Assemble in the spirit & in private not in a building made by hands.

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      phillip78 8 years ago

      A very interesting video you will certainly like

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      Interesting; you're very articulate. I'm curious what religion you are, and what you like about your religion. Also, what makes a religion great, in your opinion?

      Thanks for your words.

      PS, I'm with you--there is no hell. I believe you can create your own hell on earth by being heartless, cruel...


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