Matthew 24:36 reads "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." However, many Christians who make predictions of the end of the world/the apocalypse mention this verse in their prediction and follow it with, "BUT, if we look closely at the Bible...." This just seems to weaken their arguement when they say that you can ignore one part of the Bible and just focus on another...
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I just want to point out that you have stated your answer as an established fact.But,the meaning of "This generation" could refer to the one to whom Jesus was speaking,or a future one he was anticipating.You are right if he meant his generation.
Actually the bible gives us glimpses of the end of the world. The book of revelations is very clear that there will be new heaven and a new earth. Consider Rev 20 and great white throne judgment.
I think you have made a very valid point, Searchinsany!
Perhaps Christians should just read what is said in the Bible...instead of reading into it. :0)
Thank you Mitch, I agree with you, because in Matthew 24:36, Jesus says: "But of that day and hour, no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only" (New King James)
The book of the Revelation was given to John on the Island of Patmos well after the ressuraection AND assention of Christ. And not EVERYONE goes to heaven according to the Bible, but only those who accept Christ as their personal Savior.
It doesn't matter when John got the revelation, or full disclosure because it was the Revelation of Jesus give to Jesus by God to show his servants (the disciples) what was about to happen. Revelation is over. Matthew 24 is over. Jesus redeemed ALL.
He redeemed all, but not all are saved...The gift was paid in full at Calvary, but it is not accepted by all...that was the point I was making. sorry for the confusion.
No problem at all. If the gift is a noun then I would agree, but I believe the gift was an action, a decision by God to redeem all of mankind through Christ. An action cannot be nullified, not even through disbelief. Start with all of Romans 5...
Excellent point, Mitch Allen - I hope all read what you wrote - "all are redeemed, but not all saved."
Take Romans 10 for example, and read it again from the beginning, you will see that Paul is wanting them to be saved from the LAW, not from "hell". We have all been trained to see "hell" where it does not exists.
THWLE, Rev 1:1 states, "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him [JOHN] to show His servants [believers] what must soon take place. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant JOHN." So you're a Universalist and Preterist, I see.
Not sure what a Universalist or a Preterist is. I came to my own conclusions from my own study that I started 5 years ago with just myself, my many bibles, a Greek and Hebrew dictionary, hard work, and a willingness to ask the tough questions
While this is off-topic to the question, a Universalist believes all will be saved (including Satan and his angels), and hell is not eternal condemnation, but temporary 'purification', and a Preterist believes "The world has already ended."
Thanks JD. Well, I am not a Universalist then. I guess I fit more w the Preterists, but I am sure there is more to their story that may not fit me. I am an Aaronist :) & I mean no harm w my comments. I simply love debating. It forces us all to th
I agree. 1Th 5:4 says we believers are not to be "in the dark" about when the Day of the Lord will be, nor be overtaken by it like a thief in the night. It is the unbelieving world who will be taken by surprise.
Ms Dee, I agree that "It is the unbelieving world who will be taken by surprise." Imagine the looks on the faces of those who never heard of Jesus? Wow, talk about a surprise. And their shock at seeing the Lake of Fire which they also never heard of.
The prophecy in Daniel is all about the messiah. It comes from Gabriel who only delivers messianic prophecies, yet the gap theory you refer to by implication, leaves the very event that makes Jesus the messiah in the gap.
THWLE, there are prophecies that have contemporary (to the giving of the prophecy) fulfillment and a future fulfillment. This, I believe is what girlgonestrong, is alluding to.
The cross and resurrection are left in the "gap" according to this CAM theory. I believe that the last week of Christ's life on earth was this final week. Those days were shortened, half way through He took away the sacrifice and offering... etc.
Judah's Daughter. If that is true, then we can be watchful every autumn and either sleep or live like the devil the rest of the year. I think maybe he didn't tip us off quite that specifically. But you might be right.
You think God is only going to judge on whether or not we are behaving at His return? ~ you know better...
But you made it so tempting. If He is coming in the Fall, why not relax a little. Let our hair down. Skip that prayer meeting. After all, its the middle of May. We've got three whole months to live it up. *just kidding*
Sounds like a fair and just God,to keep us on eggshells, waiting over 2,000 years. Not the case though. The end of the world was at the cross and resurrection when the old order passed away and all things became new. I don't buy the CAM's God anymore
THWLE 2 Tim 2:18 (post-resurrection of Christ) "men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some." Well, you aren't upsetting my faith and those who yet live by it.
He says in 2Corinthians 5 that it was a simultaneous event with the resurrection of Christ. So which do we believe? We must examine the whole and compare it to Jesus' words, and when we do, we can easily see which one fits. Not trying to upset you :)
THWLE, 2Corinthians 5 is explaining what happens when the body of a believer dies, verse 1 referring to if our 'tent is destroyed'. It is not saying it has happened already to all believers still living.
To humans, not just believers, and he is explaining that since death has been defeated that we are immediately with Christ upon physical death (the tent). This could not be the case if death was not defeated, and since it is no one remains in death
@cam-That's the spirit I mean. If it is in you to do something like that, then you need to repent. If you knew the day, you wouldn't repent until that day. Yah is not going to play the fool, but He knows he'll lose many if they know the date.
The bible states a fact that is obvious. It speaks of the generation that sees isreal become a nation again will be the generation to see the second comming. In the bible a generation is anywhere from 60 to 75 years. Isreal became a nation in 1948.
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