If God knows everything, and he knows all the choices that we are going to make before we are even confronted with the choice, how can it be that we have free will? The only way for us to have free will is for God not to know the choices that we are going to make, effectively making God not all-knowing.
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If God already knows everything down to the most minute of details, how can that be compatible with free will? I just can't see how the concept of an all-knowing God and free will can coexist.
You can even take this a step farther. As parents we often watch our child and can see what step he is going to make next, but we let him take that step, even if it means failing. It is through the mistakes that the child will learn. So it is with
or think of it this way: if you watch a movie on t.v. that you've seen before, you "know" everything that's going to happen in it, but you don't "control" what's going to happen- each of the characters is "doing his own thing."
I'm speechless. As in, the question is answered in full much more understandably than I have answered it previously. Looks like my sentiments on paper. [or screen rather]
Double that statement above. I'd quote it if asked.
Free will implies you have the right to do whatever your human capabilities and mentality will allow you to do. Because you cannot afford an yacht does not mean you do not have free will.
God has the ability to lie, but by his nature he would not lie.
What a title CWB! lol. Caught my interest, will check it out.
Are you saying that God knows all the different possible futures that can come to pass, but we get to choose which future will actually come to pass? Hmmm, an all-knowing God and free will.
I am saying that just as we are able to predict the weather to a certain accuracy, the intelligence of the universe can do even better. If makes and takes preventative measures to safeguard its creation.
If He is all knowing but based on certain possibilities, that would only imply that He is not all knowing. All knowing surpasses every limit, no matter what.
God is all knowing of the possibilities or choices we can make. He leaves it up to us to make those choices. Often we make the wrong choices and hopefully we as individuals and as a people can learn and choose to make the right choices.
Hi wingedcentaur, I think you are confusing predictive ability with control. The fact that I or God can predict an outcome does not mean that we control the outcome.
So, why would anyone do anything good for another person? Is life real or just an extreme imaginary entity that will drive me nuts. If you think there is no God, you'd better be right!
If you are going to comment on a comment make sure you read the comment you are commenting on and understand it before making your comment. Your comment makes no sense in response to mine.
I thought god was all sexes, Adamas before split into 2, also the Hebrew name has both male & female "endings" (English doesn't have this feature in the language)
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The intent of the question has never been to "knock God off his pedestal", but to highlight that it appears that an all-knowing God (knowing all of the past, present and future) and the freewill of humans, cannot both be true at the same time.
And yet, I disagree. The key area of contention is perhaps future. That is what is malleable, but God knows all possible futures and allows us to pick the one we want for ourselves. Both are true
Actually, I think we agree. I think that the best "answer" to this question is a God who knows all possible outcomes, but doesn't know the actual outcome until it happens. If you're interested, I did write a hub as an answer to this question.
I whole heartedly agree!
Not all choices have a bright line difference of right or wrong. There is no objective "truth" in morality. - see liarliar hub
Good points, Larry. Perhaps the last sentence would more accurately be stated, "Unfortunately, not all of his children listen." Worded as you have done means none of His children listen, including Jesus and the angels. I'm sure you didn't mean this.